I would say thats very true as iam braking my head to figure it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fritz_the_germ
I even push it 1.55v only to shut down the pc once LinX is running
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I would say thats very true as iam braking my head to figure it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fritz_the_germ
I even push it 1.55v only to shut down the pc once LinX is running
QX6700 Asus Rampage 0803 Bios Settings
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By neo_rtr, shot with DiMAGE X1 at 2009-05-15
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By neo_rtr, shot with DiMAGE X1 at 2009-05-15
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By neo_rtr, shot with DiMAGE X1 at 2009-05-15
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By neo_rtr at 2009-05-15
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By neo_rtr at 2009-05-15
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By neo_rtr at 2009-05-15 Will have to work with the timings
Lower Volt Prime95 stable Small and Large FTTs with total test time about 2hrs-
A-Grey, is there any possibility for me to run tight timming and get some better memory speed? 5-5-5-12 is not giving much. What do you think i i should try?
Did you try with 8 X 450MHz - FSB Strap to North Bridge 333MHz - DDR 1081MHz and PL 7?
I been running it like this for over a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by A-Grey
This 9x400 is to lower some volts and because i had few issues.
I also want to see if my hd4870x2 is effected out of some unbalance of fsb, NB vots .
for example 1:1 800mhz
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3...0080044410.png
By neo_rtr at 2009-05-15
not that great
I did try some lower 4-4-4-10
This other one is 4-4-4-12
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/1...0080044412.png
By neo_rtr at 2009-05-15
I also try to boot at 1066mhz 5-5-5-15 -with lower than 45 i run of it today with no luck
Using FSB Strap to North Bridge 400MHz didn't let me lower my voltages. It just let me run DDR 1199MHz and tRD 6 with the same voltage that I was using with FSB Strap to North Bridge 333MHz and DDR 1081MHz with tRD 7.Quote:
Originally Posted by neo_rtr
I think that there isn't much you can do to have better performance with the hardware that you have available.
I don't know if you live far away from greg.m?
Maybe you can ask him nicely if you could borrow his G.SKILL F2-9600CL5D-4GBPI memory to see if you could run it at DDR 1199MHz and tRD 6. :D
He seems a nice guy to me and let you do that to see how it runs. ;)
If you can run it stable with DDR 1199MHz and tRD 6 the 2 x 2 Giga OCZ Blade PC2-9600 might be your solution. We need to know of course if this memory can run at 1200MHz without problems on the Maximus/Rampage Formula.
I think that the 2 X 2 Giga OCZ Blade PC2-9600 are going to be a lot cheaper than the G.SKILL F2-9600CL5D-4GBPI.
That's one solution.
The second solution is to sell your QX6700 and buy a Q9XXX but then you would like to know if your board likes to run with a Q9XXX at FSB 450MHz.
If greg.m is really a nice guy he might let you try that too. :yepp:
He is a nice guy. The best.. I know him and he is a good friendQuote:
Originally Posted by A-Grey
Iam on the path for a new Q9xxx series.
I was thinking like 5-5-5-x (different than 45) but i did try that out and i would not boot.
Everytime i do something i screw something else hehe. So i will leave it to that for now.
Ps. Greg is going to start his 1st job with HW, build, troubleshooting etc in few months.
I wish him good luck and all the best.
Is the Gigabyte EP45-UD3P a better shot than this one? seeing some of the OCs it has attained, i am forced to think so.So, where is this board claiming the much higher price tag?
It's quite simple. We bought an excellent board with a Chipset that Intel designed to get the best performance. The only problem that we've got is that this board came with the wrong BIOS.
The BIOS that we've got on our board isn't the type of BIOS you expect to have on a X48 R.O.G. board. The BIOS hides all the fun stuff that can give us the best performance and stability.
Poor GTL handling. Lack of proper tREF handling. To large increments that makes it hard to fine tune your settings. In one word "GARBAGE".
This is the kind of BIOS that you suspect on the low end boards to have some basic tweaking on that board but not a R.O.G board.
The ASUS Engineer told me that he can understand that we want the best performance from what he says a R.O.G. board but there isn't much that he can do because it isn't him who decides what should be done or what shouldn't be done. There's always that guy at ASUS who thinks that this is all a waste of money and valuable time that should be spend on their new boards.
So, you ask why we have to pay so much more?
Well, we paid so much for that board because ASUS is going to need that money when we don't buy there Enthusiast products anymore. :D
That's what's going to happen and ASUS is going to realize this when it's to late and I hope that the guy who always thinks that everything is a waste of money and valuable time that he is the first one that can look for an other job. ;)
Yoh guys,
Yoh Alien Grey,
I hope you donīt go crazy reading an other ASUS reply. A few days ago I wrote them:
I regret that you missed the point again. I am overclocking computers for many years.
So I donīt need any repetitional lessons how to ajust the RAM voltage, timings or
anything else about this.
If you are not able to handle my detailed problem report why donīt you just send it to
the department that has to do with bios programming?
There is no sens to ignore all these ASUS customers, except you want to get rid of
them. Just read the following sites and realize the topic by yourself:
http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?
id=20090504152913315&board_id=1&model=Rampage+Form ula&page=1&SLang
uage=en-us
At last I want to please you in the name of all the customers: Send my mail
including the link to the bios department of ASUS. We all hope the engineers will take notice of this problem to create a better bios.
ASUS replied again:
Dear Fritz,
Thank you for contacting ASUS Customer Service.
My name is XXX and it's my pleasure to help you with your problem.
I can give you some personal advice. But the overclocking issue is beyond our service. To overclock(RAM over 1200MHz), we cannot guard success for you. We cannot guard how far you can overclock. You need to try it yourself.
P.S. You can get the RAMs work at 1200MHz(O.C speed too). So, the motherboard and BIOS are OK.
Welcome to refer Troubleshooting & FAQ for ASUS products in ASUS website:
http://support.asus.com/troubleshoot...Language=en-us
http://support.asus.com/faq/faq.aspx?SLanguage=en-us
If having any problems, please don't hesitate to let me know. Let's discuss this
issue together.:rofl::rofl:
Thank you for using ASUS products and enjoying ASUS services!
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Isnīt that a shame?
I donīt know what else I can do beside taking my 45 out of the drawer:horse:
@Roger_D25
Still interested in buying the 4 X 1 Giga Corsair 1250MHz 5-5-5-15 Timings to see if you can get a stable run at that speed?
When ASUS doesn't see a problem when you try to OverClock the G.SKILL F2-9600CL5D-4GBPI maybe they will see a problem when you can't run the 4 X 1 Giga Corsair 1250MHz 5-5-5-15 Timings memory stable from the QVL. :D
I'm tellin ya, Asus Bios Engineering=EPIC FAIL.........
I also have the same issues with the MIIF, just before 1200 ram speed (1196). It does seem to be bios related too, although the MIIF has way better GTL selections....
Maybe there is no DDR 1200MHz memory in the ASUS Maximus II Formula QVL. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by screwtech02
Well, if there isnt, they need to stop advertising that it supports DDR1200 then....
Here's the QVL of the ASUS Maximus II Formula.
No DDR 1200MHz in the QVL. :confused:
Qualified Vendors List (QVL) Standard table for user manual
Project Name : BIOS : 1111.111
We suggest that you install the Memory Modules on BlUE (DDR2) Slots (DIMM_A1 and DIMM_B1 slots).
DIMM socket support (Optional)
Vendor Part No. Size SS/DS Chip No. CL Chip Brand
A* B* C*
G.SKILL F2-8500CL5D-2GBPK DDR2 1066 2048MB(Kit of 2) DS Heat-Sink Package 5-5-5-15 N/A V V V
G.SKILL F2-8500CL5S-1GBPK DDR2 1066 1024MB DS Heat-Sink Package 5-5-5-15 N/A V V V
GEIL GB22GB8500C5DC DDR2 1066 1024MB SS GL2L128M88BA25AB 5-5-5-15 GEIL V V V
GEIL GE22GB1066C5DC DDR2 1066 2048MB(Kit of 2) SS Heat-Sink Package 5-5-5-15 N/A V V V
GEIL GE24GB1066C5QC DDR2 1066 4096MB(Kit of 4) SS Heat-Sink Package 5-5-5-15 N/A V V V
GEIL GB24GB8500C5DC DDR2 1066 2048MB DS GL2L128M88BA25AB 5-5-5-15 GEIL V V V
GEIL GB24GB8500C5QC DDR2 1066 1024MB DS GL2L128M88BA25AB 5-5-5-15 GEIL V V V
GEIL GE24GB1066C5DC DDR2 1066 4096MB(Kit of 2) DS Heat-Sink Package N/A N/A V V V
GEIL GX24GB8500C5UDC DDR2 1066 4096MB(Kit of 2) DS Heat-Sink Package 5-5-5-15 N/A V V V
Hynix HYMP564U64FP8-G7 DDR2 1066 512MB SS HY5PS12821FFP-G7 7 HYNIX V V V
Hynix HYMP 512U64FP8-G7 DDR2 1066 1024MB DS HY5PS12821FFP-G7 7 HYNIX V V V
Kingston KHX8500D2/ 512 DDR2 1066 512MB SS Heat-Sink Package N/A N/A V V V
Kingston KHX8500D2K2/1G DDR2 1066 1024MB(Kit of 2) SS Heat-Sink Package N/A N/A V V V
Kingston KVR1066D2N7/ 512 DDR2 1066 512MB SS E5108AJBG -1J-E N/A N/A V V V
Kingston KHX8500D2K2/2G DDR2 1066 2048MB(Kit of 2) DS Heat-Sink Package N/A N/A V V V
Kingston KHX8500D2K2/2GN(EPP) DDR2 1066 2048MB(Kit of 2) DS Heat-Sink Package N/A N/A V V V
Kingston KVR1066D2N7/1G DDR2 1066 2048MB DS E5108AJBG -1J-E N/A N/A V V V
OCZ OCZ2N1066SR2GK(EPP) DDR2 1066 2048MB(Kit of 2) DS Heat-Sink Package 5 N/A V V V
Qimonda HYS64T64000EU-19F-C DDR2 1066 512MB SS HYB18T 512800CF19F 6 QIMONDA V V V
Qimonda HYS64T128020EU-1.9-C DDR2 1066 1024MB DS HYB18T 512800CF19 7 QIMONDA V V V
Qimonda HYS64T128020EU-19F-C DDR2 1066 1024MB DS HYB18T 512800CF19F N/A N/A V V V
Elixir M2Y1G64TU8HC4B-BD DDR2 1066 1024MB DS N2TU 51280CE-BD 6 ELIXIR V V V
Kingbox 7YDI2 DDR2 1066 1024MB DS N/A N/A MICRON V V
Mushkin 996612 DDR2 1066 2048MB(Kit of 2) DS Heat-Sink Package 5-5-5-15 N/A V V
PQI MEAHR422LA0102-07D3 DDR2 1066 1024MB DS PQE2648S19R N/A PQI V V V
Update : 2008/4/18 2008/6/17
Note :
A* : Supports one module inserted in any slot as Single-channel memory configuration
B* : Supports one pair of modules inserted into eithor the blue slots or the black slots as one pair of Dual-channel memory configuration
C* : Supports 4 modules inserted into both the blue and black slots as two pairs of Dual-channel memory configuration
Qualified Vendors List (QVL) Standard table for user manual
Project Name : Maximus II Formula 1.02G BIOS : 114
We suggest that you install the Memory Modules on BlUE (DDR2) Slots (DIMM_A1 and DIMM_B1 slots).
DIMM socket support (Optional)
Vendor Part No. Size SS/DS Chip No. CL Chip Brand
A* B* C*
A-DATA M2OAD6G3H3160G1E53 DDR2 800 512MB SS AD29608A8A-25EG N/A N/A V V V
A-DATA M2OAD6H3J4171Q1E52 DDR2 800 2048MB DS AD20908A8A-25EG N/A A-DATA V V
Apacer 78.01GA0.9K5 DDR2 800 1024MB SS AM4B5808CQJS8E N/A APACER V V V
Apacer 78.91G9I.9K5 DDR2 800 512MB SS AM4B5708JQJS8E N/A APACER V V V
Apacer 78.A1GA0.9K4 DDR2 800 2048MB DS AM4B5808CQJS8E 5 APACER V V V
Box P/N:TWIN2X4096-6400C5
CORSAIR DDR2 800 4096MB(Kit of 2) DS Heat-Sink Package N/A N/A V
(CM2X2048-6400C5)
BoxP/N:TWIN2X4096-6400C4DHX
CORSAIR DDR2 800 4096MB(Kit of 2) DS Heat-Sink Package 4-4-4-12 N/A V V V
(CM2X2048-6400C4DHX)
BoxP/N:TWIN2X4096-6400C5DHX
CORSAIR DDR2 800 4096MB(Kit of 2) DS Heat-Sink Package N/A N/A V V V
(CM2X2048-6400C5DHX)
CORSAIR CM2X1024-6400C4 DDR2 800 1024MB DS Heat-Sink Package 4 N/A V V V
Crucial BL12864AA804.16FD3 DDR2 800 1024MB DS Heat-Sink Package 4 N/A V V V
Crucial BL12864AA804.16FD DDR2 800 1024MB DS Heat-Sink Package 4 N/A V
Crucial BL12864AL804.16FD3 DDR2 800 1024MB DS Heat-Sink Package 4 N/A V V V
G.SKILL F2-6400CL5D-1GBNQ DDR2 800 1024MB(Kit of 2) SS Heat-Sink Package 5-5-5-15 N/A V V V
G.SKILL F2-6400CL4D-2GBHK DDR2 800 1024MB DS Heat-Sink Package N/A N/A V V V
G.SKILL F2-6400CL4D-2GBPK DDR2 800 1024MB DS Heat-Sink Package N/A N/A V V
G.SKILL F2-6400CL4D-4GBPK DDR2 800 4096MB(Kit of 2) DS Heat-Sink Package 4 N/A V V V
G.SKILL F2-6400CL5D-4GBPQ DDR2 800 4096MB(Kit of 2) DS Heat-Sink Package 5 N/A V V V
G.SKILL F2-6400CL6D-4GBMQ DDR2 800 4096MB(Kit of 2) DS Heat-Sink Package 6 N/A V V
G.SKILL F2-6400CL6D-8GBNQ DDR2 800 8192MB(Kit of 2) DS Heat-Sink Package 6-6-6-18 N/A V V V
G.SKILL F2-6400PHU2-2GBNR DDR2 800 1024MB DS Heat-Sink Package N/A N/A V
GEIL GB22GB6400C5DC DDR2 800 2048MB(Kit of 2) DS GL2L64M088BA30EB 5-5-5-15 GEIL V
GEIL GB24GB6400C4DC DDR2 800 4096MB(Kit of 2) DS GL2L128M88BA25AB 4-4-4-12 GEIL V V V
DDR2 800 2048MB DS GL2L128M88BA25AB 5-5-5-15 GEIL V V V
GEIL GB24GB6400C5DC
GEIL GE22GB800C4DC DDR2 800 2048MB(Kit of 2) DS Heat-Sink Package 4-4-4-12 N/A V
GEIL GE22GB800C5DC DDR2 800 2048MB(Kit of 2) DS Heat-Sink Package 5-5-5-15 N/A V V
GEIL GE24GB800C4DC DDR2 800 2048MB DS Heat-Sink Package 4-4-4-12 N/A V
GEIL GE24GB800C5DC DDR2 800 2048MB DS Heat-Sink Package 5-5-5-15 N/A V V V
GEIL GE28GB800C4QC DDR2 800 2048MB DS Heat-Sink Package 4-4-4-12 N/A V V V
GEIL GX22GB6400C4USC DDR2 800 2048MB DS Heat-Sink Package 4-4-4-12 N/A V V V
GEIL GX22GB6400DC DDR2 800 2048MB(Kit of 2) DS Heat-Sink Package 5-5-5-15 N/A V V
GEIL GX22GB6400UDC DDR2 800 2048MB(Kit of 2) DS Heat-Sink Package 4-4-4-12 N/A V V V
GEIL GX24GB6400DC DDR2 800 4096MB(Kit of 2) DS Heat-Sink Package 5-5-5-15 N/A V V
Hynix HYMP564U64CP8-S5 DDR2 800 512MB SS HY5PS12821CFP-S5 5-5-5 Hynix V V V
Hynix HYMP 512U64CP8-S5 DDR2 800 1024MB DS HY5PS12821CFP-S5 5-5-5 Hynix V V V
KINGMAX KLDC28F-A8KI5 DDR2 800 512MB SS KKA8FEIBF-HJK-25A N/A KINGMAX V V V
KINGMAX KLDD48F-ABKI5 DDR2 800 1024MB DS KKA8FEIBF-HJK-25A N/A KINGMAX V V V
KINGSTON KHX6400D2LLK2/1GN(EPP) DDR2 800 1024MB(Kit of 2) SS Heat-Sink Package 4-4-4-12 N/A V V V
KINGSTON KHX6400D2ULK2/1G DDR2 800 1024MB(Kit of 2) SS Heat-Sink Package N/A N/A V V
KINGSTON KVR800D2N5/ 512 DDR2 800 512MB SS E5108AJBG-8E-E N/A ELPIDA V V V
KINGSTON KVR800D2N6/ 512 DDR2 800 512MB SS E5108AJBG-8E-E 1.8 ELPIDA V V V
KINGSTON KHX6400D2/2G DDR2 800 2048MB DS Heat-Sink Package N/A N/A V V
KINGSTON KHX6400D2LL/1G DDR2 800 1024MB DS Heat-Sink Package 4-4-4-12 N/A V V V
KINGSTON KVR800D2N5/1G DDR2 800 1024MB DS E5108AJBG-8E-E N/A ELPIDA V V
KINGSTON KVR800D2N5/1G DDR2 800 1024MB DS V59C1 512804QBF25 N/A N/A V V V
KINGSTON KVR800D2N5/2G DDR2 800 2048MB DS E1108ACBG-8E-E N/A ELPIDA V V V
KINGSTON KVR800D2N6/1G DDR2 800 1024MB DS E5108AJBG-8E-E 1.8 ELPIDA V V V
NANYA NT 512T64U880BY-25C DDR2 800 512MB SS NT5TU64M8BE-25C 5 NANYA V V V
NANYA NT1GT64U8HB0BY-25C DDR2 800 1024MB DS NT5TU64M8BE-25C 5 NANYA V V
NANYA NT1GT64U8HCOBY-25D DDR2 800 1024MB DS NT5TU64M8CE-25D N/A NANYA V V V
NANYA NT2GT64U8HC0BY-AC DDR2 800 2048MB DS NT5TU128M8CE-AC 5 NANYA V V V
OCZ OCZ2FX800C32GK DDR2 800 1024MB DS Heat-Sink Package N/A N/A V V V
OCZ OCZ2P8004GK DDR2 800 4096MB(Kit of 2) DS Heat-Sink Package 5-4-4 N/A V V V
OCZ OCZ2P800R22GK DDR2 800 2048MB(Kit of 2) DS Heat-Sink Package 4 N/A V
A3R1GE3CFF734MAA0
PSC AL8E8F73C-8E1 DDR2 800 2048MB DS 5 PSC V V V
E
Qimonda HYS64T256020EU-2.5-C2 DDR2 800 2048MB DS HYB18T1G800C2F-2.5 6 QIMONDA V V V
Qimonda HYS64T256020EU-25F-C2 DDR2 800 2048MB DS HYB18T1G800C2F-25F 5 QIMONDA V V V
SAMSUNG M378T2863QZS-CF7 DDR2 800 1024MB SS K4T1G084QQ 6 SAMSUNG V V V
SAMSUNG M378T6553GZS-CF7 DDR2 800 512MB SS K4T51083QG 6 SAMSUNG V V V
SAMSUNG M378T2953GZ3-CF7 DDR2 800 1024MB DS K4T51083QG 6 SAMSUNG V V V
SAMSUNG M378T5263AZ3-CF7 DDR2 800 4096MB DS K4T2G084QA-HCF7 6 SAMSUNG V V V
SAMSUNG M391T5663QZ3-CF7 DDR2 800 2048MB DS K4T1G084QQ 6 SAMSUNG V V V
Super Talent T800UA12C4 DDR2 800 512MB SS Heat-Sink Package N/A N/A V V V
Super Talent T800UB1GC4 DDR2 800 1024MB DS Heat-Sink Package N/A N/A V
Transcend JM800QLU-1G DDR2 800 1024MB SS TQ243ECF8 5 Transcen V V V
Transcend JM800QLU-2G DDR2 800 2048MB DS TQ243PCF8 5 Transcen V V V
Aeneon AET760UD00-25DC08X DDR2 800 1024MB SS AET03R25DC 5 Aeneon V V
Aeneon AET760UD00-25DB97X DDR2 800 1024MB DS AET93R25DB N/A Aeneon V V V
Aeneon AET860UD00-25DC08X DDR2 800 2048MB DS AET03R25DC 5 Aeneon V V V
Asint SLY2128M8-JGE DDR2 800 1024MB SS DDRII1208-GE N/A Asint V
Asint SLZ2128M8-JGE DDR2 800 2048MB DS DDRII1208-GE N/A Asint V V V
CENTURY 28V2H8 DDR2 800 512MB SS HY5PS12821BFP-S5 N/A Hynix V V V
Elixir M2Y1G64TU8HB0B-25C DDR2 800 1024MB DS N2TU 51280BE-25C 5 Elixir V V V
Kingbox N/A DDR2 800 2048MB DS EPD2128082200E-3 N/A Kingbox V V V
Oci 04701G16CZ5D2A DDR2 800 1024MB DS 64M8PC6400 5 Jnfinity V V V
Patriot PSD2 51280081 DDR2 800 512MB SS PM64M8D2BU-25EC N/A N/A V V V
Patriot PSD21G8002 DDR2 800 1024MB DS PM64M8D2BU-25PAC 5 Patriot V V
Patriot PSD22GB002 DDR2 800 2048MB DS PM128M8D2BU-25KC 5 Patriot V V
UMAX D48001GP3-63BJU DDR2 800 1024MB DS U2S12D30TP-8E N/A UMAX V V V
UMAX D48002GP0-73BCU DDR2 800 2048MB DS U2S12D30TP-8E N/A UMAX V
Update : 2008/4/30 2008/6/17
Note :
A* : Supports one module inserted in any slot as Single-channel memory configuration
B* : Supports one pair of modules inserted into eithor the blue slots or the black slots as one pair of Dual-channel memory configuration
C* : Supports 4 modules inserted into both the blue and black slots as two pairs of Dual-channel memory configuration
One think i can say for sure is that i have regretted buying this mobo:mad:. I see other ppl running their q9650s better @ att higher speeds than i do or running their mem easily @1200+ with their DFIs or gigabytes boards. Im really tired trying to find the right settings with the crapy bioses asus gives us(their suckers):shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by A-Grey
Heres were it says DDR1200 support....
http://usa.asus.com/products.aspx?l1...66&modelmenu=1
What do you expect? They tested the BIOS for problems with a 5% OverClock.Quote:
Originally Posted by greg.m
How the hell can you find problems with a 5% OverClock. :confused:
They always say that they don't give support for OverClock. I have no problem with that but if we ask to look at something because it doesn't feel right in the BIOS or we miss features and settings in the BIOS the least they can do is take notice of that and try to look for a solution. :yepp:
Yoh guys,
I think itīs no coincidence that none of the 1200 MHz memory chips are listed in the QVL. They know exactely that their boards wonīt reach the 12xx MHz memory speed goal. But for some fu***** reason ASUS just donīt want to solve the problems realated to that issue:mad:
They can't solve these problems because they don't try to OverClock to see if you can run stable at these higher speeds. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fritz_the_germ
They don't have to do that they can leave that for us. What's really important for them is that everything can run stable with default speeds and that there are no compatibility problems with the hardware that people use on their boards.
A possible solution for the problems that we experience with their BIOSes is to make a BIOS that comes with all these extra features that we're asking. Nobody ask them to make such a BIOS to be a final release that can be downloaded from their official download page.
What I'm asking is to make such a BIOS and share it with us so we can at least try things out to see if everything works better with that BIOS and what can be done or fixed in that BIOS to make it a final BIOS release.
If they could make a BIOS with better GTL handling like on the ASUS Maximus II Formula, NB PLL Voltage, always have the right tREF for the memory speed that you use and smaller skew increments for the CPU and NB Clock Skew, there's a good chance that all of our problems are gone and we finally can see what the real power of this R.O.G. X48 board is. :yepp:
They know that the GTL handling in the ASUS Rampage Formula BIOS is a problem but nobody at ASUS cares to fix it. It's something that they already knew when they released the ASUS Maximus Formula and they made the mistake again with the release of the ASUS Rampage Formula. :shakes:
What can we do about it? :shrug:
We're always complaining to the wrong guys at ASUS and it looks like we can't contact the one that we should be complaining about these issues.
I saw that too. The strange part is that if you look at some reviews of the ASUS Maximus II Formula they never mention DDR 1200MHz. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by screwtech02
I think ill sell my rampage and ill go for a p45-ud3p;). The only thing it keeps me from doing that is my future plans for one more 4870x2.
I doubt if you gonna notice any significant different between 8x/8x vs 16x/16x, a few fps in favor for 16x/16x but if you want to go FSB 500+ with a quad rather easy you may have to sacrifice that because that is what you can do with the UD3P.Quote:
Originally Posted by greg.m
Man, i'm runnin 2 4850x2's in my MIIF now, believe me, there is NO noticible difference, and i game at 1920x1200, everything maxxed.... Just wish the damn board would cooperate with teh whole DDR1200 thing.... May have to put my DK X48TRS2+ back in, just ordered mosfet blocks for it.....:shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by greg.m
I think I'll sell mine too and either go i7 (not buying asus again) or getting a UD3P. We've waited too long, if Asus is going to treat us like this then screw them!
@greg.m, what's your max prime95 blend & linpack (linx/ibt) stable configuration, because if it is 9x480 you should be happy and not to think to change your board.
Here you can see my 20 pass linx:http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=2495Quote:
Originally Posted by OLDcomer
I havent blendprimed with these settings but i will and see what happens.
My opinion on the DDR 1200MHz issue is that once on an Advert and not possible to be reached by the community (us), Each one of us needs to raise a ticket and needs to be marked to Asus with subject Escalate the problem..
Dude, they are gonna use the same lame a$$ excuse of not "supporting" overclocking.... It's pretty much a moot point, till someone can "mod" or fix the current bios's.... Asus just doesnt give a frak......
Its not what you say but how you say it.
DDR2-1200 works fine with Micron 1GB sticks. Problem is it doesn't with most if not all 2GB sticks.Quote:
Originally Posted by A-Grey
That's what I've tried to tell before but looks like people don't understand, quad with 2x2gb is no go with 500+fsb 600+ram.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeyakame
I would say that getting such results is gg.
FSB 465MHz is still miles away from FSB 500+MHz.Quote:
Originally Posted by kuebk
There's something wrong with the BIOS and that can't be denied.
The problem is that this board came with the wrong BIOS period.
Yoh guys,
I donīt feel anymore like waiting for the ASUS-break-down-bios. Guess what I did?
You are right- :yepp:I just ordered a DFI DK P45-T2 RS Plus.
This board is supposed to make a fsb of 500 MHz possible. The memory oc over 12xx MHz will be possible too. As soon as I have this board I will tell you about it.
how about that?
DDR2-1250 MHz capability
A* B* C*
1024MB CORSAIR Heat-Sink Package N/A DS N/A V
DDR2-1200 MHz capability
A* B* C*
1024MB CORSAIR Heat-Sink Package N/A DS N/A V
512MB KINGSTON KHX9600D2/512 N/A SS N/A V
1024MB KINGSTON KHX9600D2/1G N/A DS N/A V
1024MB OCZ Heat-Sink Package N/A DS N/A V
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...a%3DN%26um%3D1
is this of interest?
hi all, this is my first post so I'm technically a newbie!!! other than that I overclock the hell out of my rig. My experience with bios 0902 is so far so good. I can't complain about it as my baby's stable at 465x9 (558 MHz on memory). I did some burnin' test:
http://img.techpowerup.org/090519/mybaby276.jpg
~talk to ya later
Looking good, nice work :up:
Have you done any P95 blend with max mem use yet?
Because 266 do not use fsb strap divisor 4:5??? Help plizzzz
@ Greg. I been doing 8x450 with mem 5-5-5-15-40 Stable :)
But the 8x455 Mem 5-5-5-18-55 8x460 mem 5-5-5-18-55 failing at large FFTs over if NB is higher.(around 8th pass or so)'
But iam quite sure that my CPU QX6700 is at its limits LinX for example with shut down the PC around the 5th pass.
Looks stable to me. Nice work. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Chemjsal
What kind of memory are you using?
@greg.m
Can you do a test with the G.SKILL F2-9600CL5D-4GBPI to see if you can get it stable because I think that we've got a compatibility problem with that memory on our board.
I would have gone with the gigabyte UD3R but a fine choice nonetheless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fritz_the_germ
The Gigabyte UD3R has a P45 chip too. So I donīt know if there is a big difference between these boards.
Whatever, I canīt wait to see my G.Skills going up to 1300 MHz or maybe more.
ASUS wonīt disappoint me anymore!
I appreciate mikeyakameīs recommandation. Thank you very much:clap::clap::clap:
P.S. Is nonetheless the very same like nevertheless? Seems to be american English?
I'm running the default blend test with four threads while away. Will report back when I get home from work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghostleader
Can you run some IntelBurnTest tests with CPU Clock Skew Delay 100ps and NB Clock Skew Delay 100ps to see if you can get it stable with these settings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chemjsal
with which clocks-settings do you mean? Btw i found out that the skew combo that is the most stable for me is normal/normal. Everything else gives me errors(memory) almost right from the beggining and ive tried:Quote:
Originally Posted by A-Grey
cpuskew: normal(best), 100 , 100, 200, 200, 300
nbskew : normal(best), normal, 100, 100, 200, 200
With 9 X 465MHz and DDR 1117MHz tRD 7. When Chemjsal can get that stable with 8 Giga you should have no problem to have it IntelBurnTest stable with the G.SKILL F2-9600CL5D-4GBPI.Quote:
Originally Posted by greg.m
When you can't get that stable and I can get it stable with 8 X 465MHz it must be a compatibility between the memory and the board.
Try with advancing the DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A and B with 100ps to if you can keep your memory more stable.
Are you saying you can? I thought you couldnt with our g.skills.Quote:
Originally Posted by A-Grey
And if you can with your g.skills but i cant with mine then its something else. But ill try and come back with some results.
@A-grey. I'm using 4x2 Giga :D G.Skill PC2-8800. I've used 4x1 GB Team Xtreem TXDD2048M800HC3DC before. My best ride @1239 MHz (2.30V) at PL6 with all four sticks. Unfortunately, the memory's not fully compatible with the board as it's a general pain in the ass to get it up and running so I switched to G.Skill. The other reason for the switch was the fact that I use Mac OS X Leopard (10.5.7, two WD360ADFD raptors in RAID0 on Areca ARC-1210) as my main operating system and so 8 giga comes in handy. Anyway, I love this mobo.
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will doQuote:
Originally Posted by A-Grey
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Oops... I made a typo it should be "can't". :DQuote:
Originally Posted by greg.m
Thanks, I appreciate that.:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Chemjsal
I love this mobo too but I hate the BIOS.;)
The things I like the most about this board are the number of fan connectors, the LCD poster, the IO shield and the layout overall.
Well i found out the volts i can run stable/errorfree 8.5x485fsb @ 1212.5.
My system likes normal skews only. After many many combinations i realized that the most important setting was nbv. In the beginning i started with 1.51nbv and i got a lot of errors and lock ups. I thought it was fsbv, vcore or ramv. I played with skews but nothing. I raise nbv a little @ 1.53 and then @ 1.55 but i keep getting lock ups during memtest without giving any errors before.The reason i raised nbv so little was that @ 8.5x480(only 5mhz lower than 485) i needed 1.49 to have a stable system. I went up @ 1.61v and i run 70-80%memtest without errors before my system freezed again. Finally i managed to find the magic - almost skyhigh - nbv setting...and that is...1.65:eek:. after that i could lower vcore from 1.325 to 1.29..;). Now ill try to lower ramv and see how itll go.
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/6763/skrmklipp.jpg
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/9559/skrmklipp2.jpg
Nic one Greg- Today my pc is crashing all the time. same settings as yday both on 8x450 and 9x400 are failing to run prime95 large fft.
i need money now to go and get that new cpu. where is the nearest blod bank?
2 hours later and lots of up and down i have passed large fft with cpu 1.54V real 1.520v NB 1.73 FSB 1.62V
[QUOTE=greg.m;3797497]Well i found out the volts i can run stable/errorfree 8.5x485fsb @ 1213.
My system likes normal skews only. After many many combinations i realized that the most important setting was nbv. In the beginning i started with 1.51nbv and i got a lot of errors and lock ups. I thought it was fsbv, vcore or ramv. I played with skews but nothing. I raised nbv a little @ 1.53 and then @ 1.55 but i kept getting lock ups during memtest without giving any errors before.The reason i raised nbv so little was that @ 8.5x480(only 5mhz lower than 485) i needed 1.49 to have a stable system. I went up @ 1.61v and i run 70-80%memtest without errors before my system freezed again. Finally i managed to find the magic - almost skyhigh - nbv setting...and that is...1.65:eek:. after that i could lower vcore from 1.325 to 1.29..;). Now ill try to lower ramv and see how itll go.
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bios 0803 settings:
Code:Ai Overclock Tuner [Manual]
CPU Ratio Setting [8.5]
FSB Strap to North Bridge [Auto]
FSB Frequency [485MHz]
PCIE Frequency [105MHz]
DRAM Frequency [1216MHz]
DRAM Command Rate [Auto]
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A/B [Auto]
DRAM TimingControl [Manual]-5-5-5-15
DRAM Static Read Control [Enabled]
Ai Clock Twister [Moderate]
Ai Transaction Booster [Manual]
Common Performance Level [07]
Pull-In of CH A/B all disabled
CPU Voltage [1.29375]
CPU PLL Voltage [1.50V]
North Bridge Voltage [1.65V] - 1.63V real
DRAM Voltage [2.10V]
FSB Termination Voltage [1.46V] - 1.38V real
South Bridge Voltage [Auto]
SB 1.5V Voltage [Auto]
Loadline Calibration [Enabled]
CPU GTL Voltage Reference [0.63X]
NB GTL Voltage Reference [0.67X]
DRAM Controller Voltage REF [Auto]
DRAM Channel A/B Voltage REF [Auto]
CPU Spread Spectrum [Auto]
PCIE Spread Spectrum [Auto]
CPU Clock Skew [Normal]
NB Clock Skew [Normal]
CPU Ratio Setting [8.5]
C1E Support [Disabled]
CPU TM Function [Disabled]
Vanderpool Technology [Disabled]
Execute Disable Bit [Enabled]
Max CPUID Value Limit [Disabled]
Intel(R) SpeedStep (TM) Tech. [Disabled]
CPU Spread Spectrum [Auto]:confused:
PCIE Spread Spectrum [Auto]:confused:
Why aren't these disabled in the BIOS?
I dont know i just left them @ auto. What do they do?:rolleyes: Its to lower the electro magnetic interference - emi - or what?Quote:
Originally Posted by A-Grey
I have never seen - or felt... - any difference by having them disabled.
Look at this article to know why you should disable them: http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3283&p=20Quote:
Originally Posted by greg.m
Thanks now i see...:)Quote:
Originally Posted by A-Grey
(Btw i use bios 0803) now its in the bios post above
Here is some screenies:Quote:
Originally Posted by A-Grey
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/6763/skrmklipp.jpg
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/9559/skrmklipp2.jpg
and 0803 settings:
as you can see i used a bit high voltages because i wanted to be sure that they wouldnt cause any prob.Code:Ai Overclock Tuner [Manual]
CPU Ratio Setting [8.0]
FSB Strap to North Bridge [Auto]
FSB Frequency [465MHz]
PCIE Frequency [105MHz]
DRAM Frequency [1117MHz]
DRAM Command Rate [Auto]
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A/B [Auto]
DRAM TimingControl [Manual]-5-5-5-15
DRAM Static Read Control [Enabled]
Ai Clock Twister [Moderate]
Ai Transaction Booster [Manual]
Common Performance Level [07]
Pull-In of CH A/B all disabled
CPU Voltage [1.29375]-> i changed that @ 1.275 and run linx
CPU PLL Voltage [1.50V]
North Bridge Voltage [1.45V] - 1.44V real
DRAM Voltage [2.10V]
FSB Termination Voltage [1.34V] - 1.25V real
South Bridge Voltage [Auto]
SB 1.5V Voltage [Auto]
Loadline Calibration [Enabled]
CPU GTL Voltage Reference [0.63X]
NB GTL Voltage Reference [0.67X]
DRAM Controller Voltage REF [Auto]
DRAM Channel A/B Voltage REF [Auto]
CPU Spread Spectrum [Disabled]
PCIE Spread Spectrum [Disabled]
CPU Clock Skew [Normal]
NB Clock Skew [Normal]
CPU Ratio Setting [8.0]
C1E Support [Disabled]
CPU TM Function [Disabled]
Vanderpool Technology [Disabled]
Execute Disable Bit [Enabled]
Max CPUID Value Limit [Disabled]
Intel(R) SpeedStep (TM) Tech. [Disabled]
hellllllllllllllppppppppppppppppppmeeeeeeeeeeeeeee ee plizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
@ghostleader. My blend test crashed after four and a half hours. I used the settings in my first post. It's all right though. I'll try to up the nb voltage to 1.49V from 1.47V and do it again but this time under Mac OS X. Let's see what happens.
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Q9650 ES@4.19 GHz (465x9) at 1.4125V (1.38V real, 1.30V load) on water, LLC disabled!,
Asus 4870 TOP 512MB @880/1180 MHz on water, Areca ARC-1210, ATI Theater 550 Pro, Dell 2405 FPW,
PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750W red, Lian-Li PC-V2000 black
I just ran IntelBurnTest 2.0 with the settings you asked but the entire OS (Win 7) froze after like 10 min. OOPS!Quote:
Originally Posted by A-Grey
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Rampage Formula @0902, 4x2GB G.Skill PC2-8800 (1117 MHz, 5-5-5-15, 2N) at 1.90V (PL7),
Q9650 ES@4.19 GHz (465x9) at 1.4125V (1.38V real, 1.30V load) on water, LLC disabled!,
Asus 4870 TOP 512MB @880/1180 MHz on water, Areca ARC-1210, ATI Theater 550 Pro, Dell 2405 FPW,
PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750W red, Lian-Li PC-V2000 black
Thanks greg.m for testings this.:up: I'll try changing the PCIe frequenty like you did and see if I can get it stable with these settings. When this is stable I should get it stable with DDR 1239MHz and trd 6 too.Quote:
Originally Posted by greg.m
OK, thanks for testing that out. It's just to see what happens with these Clock Skew settings.:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Chemjsal
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chemjsal
You probably need to raise both FSB Term volt and NB volt to get it stable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chemjsal
Have you tried any super pi 32M and/or looped 3DMark06 Canyon Flight to see if your stable?
If you change PCI-E frequency, you should slightly raise Vsb same time since higher PCIE clock results in higher DMI clock since same clocking source, and believe me you don't want to cause instabilities whether constant or random there. DMI carries all SB inbound traffic, for all devices attached to the root hub or branching off.
Changing PCIE clock on the RF at high FSB is something that must be done to stabilize certain behaviours, such as infrequent DVD-R write errors, unstable/inconistent HDD/DVD transfer speeds on any or all devices connected to SB, etc, hell even fixes some barely audible sound static you get at some particular small frequency bands. anything connected to the NB through PCIE lanes it provides don't suffer these same problems, and changing PCIE frequency fixes them, so it's both the boards insufficient design for the speeds we run and the clocking reference frequencies devices connected to the SB use which use the same synchronous clocking source as the PCIE frequency and while at the same time the SB also has direct clocking reference pins from the CPU which surprise surprise are clocking with the FSB , which when you mix both together on a device that was designed for stepped fixed clock frequencies where there will be never be overlap, overlapping of FSB frequency and either a sub-division or the PCIE frequency itself overlap....you get a lovely result which I've seen some of you guys post regularly and hasn't clicked this might be the culprit or not making it any better at best :)
I'll give you a hint, one is BSOD's with driver filenames, another is display hardlocks, another funny yet rarer one is when randomly a key will get caught in a loop as if it was physically jammed or the mouse will move on its own :D
I'll welcome the day when vendors sell us hardware that is actually properly designed for the broad range of frequency adjustment they give is, and on top of that go out of their way to test for these kinds of problems which as you imagine come up too often, and usually as a result of the freedom to change frequencies with 1mhz steps. It's lovely for end-user and marketing tools to lever, but in practice it's a dead ringer for a darwin award nomination...
"WHY ISNT MY MOTHERBOARD STABLE AT XYZ FREQUENCY, AND WHY DOES AT XX.XX TIME ON YY DAY OF THE MONTH IT CRASH OR BEHAVE WEIRD....WHAT IS WRONG WITH MY SETTINGS........*months later board is RMA'd when its perfectly fine and person has to buy temp board or out of commission the machine until they get a replacement which they RMA immediately because it has the same problem with the first one*....and 9 times out of 10 the problem is simple, some guy said some settings worked great for them, and passed prime95 or linpack...so 100 other guys used them thinking they could avoid learning to do it themselves....maybe 50 guys actually have those settings work, and you can be all 50 have a different error they can't fix, and the first guy who they got them from had it there as well...but due to whatever it never effected him, maybe his PSU or a raid card he ran his drives off or a sound/network pci/pcie card he runs that are designed for maximum compatibility with other hardware, and his onboard stuff is disabled? more reasons than you'd ever want to know, and it's these problems that I see all over forums requesting help, that are fault of the user to a degree, but more fault of the vendor for giving him flexible adjustment with minimal effort/time/knowledge/experience.
DFI are number one when it comes to sink or swim with bios settings. If you don't understand the basics, and you are scared by pages of bios options with no help data, and documentation for what they do available to those who are lucky enough to actually find the damn thing and then translate engineer to english frequently, then don't buy DFI or don't change the settings.
Asus/GB with their one touch overclock, and marketing-gimmick-change-20-registers with our cool new clock twister enhanced feature, it doesn't tell u what it changes hell they even make sure it changes things they give you control over, and when you tell them there is a bug they thats impossible or we can't reproduce it because we didn't expect you to do something as crazy as changing an actual setting that we gave you because we thought you'd never use it, and we didn't mention it either because we are paranoid our competitors will steal our stolen idea, and that is far more important than helping an actual customer solve a problem....lets tell them it's their fault, but we are working on a new beta bios which may fix it if we can find the email I just lost with the information I won't remember. New bios same problem, turns out they didn't fix it because they got carried away adding a new sub menu that doesn't nothing important, but looks cool and can claim bios support, the acutal problem got forgotten because the 1% of ppl who have it only make up 1% sales, the other 99% won't see any changes so they won't believe our claim we make them :) Thats Asus in a nutshell by the way :)
Customer: "Your bios is broken, x doesn't work properly..." Asus Engineer "Try this bios it adds new options" Customer "Ok...." Customer "This bios has same problem, and new features don't work right" Asus "Wait 3 weeks for new beta bios we are working on which will fix up problems" Customer "This new bios I waited for still has the same problem, but new features work right" Asus "we ran 2 tests and we couldnt reproduce it so there is no problem for us to fix...it is probably your cpu or memory or other hardware causing it...replace them at your own expense and if it still happens you can RMA the board under warranty...*while snickering to himself, hopefully by time he does all that he'll give up and we won't have to lose any more sleep worrying about a fix for that issue!*
So you are saying that PCIE Frequency [105MHz] is a good value?Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeyakame
So, I raised the nb voltage to 1.49V and then I ran that blend test with 7 GB of memory. I used the 64bit version of macprime 259. As you can see, she's still going strong after like 8hr of priming.
http://img.techpowerup.org/090520/8hr prime95-2.jpg
I haven't tried any super pi 32M yet. But I have tried all kinds of other stuff, one of them being able to play Fallout 3 with everything cranked up to the max for long ass hours. Hope you like the pic :)
~talk to ya later
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Q9650 ES@4.19 GHz (465x9) at 1.4125V (1.38V real, 1.30V load) on water, LLC disabled!,
Asus 4870 TOP 512MB @880/1180 MHz on water, Areca ARC-1210, ATI Theater 550 Pro, Dell 2405 FPW,
PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750W red, Lian-Li PC-V2000 black
Not quite, a good value is whatever frequency you find you need for the system to behave right. Personally I've used upto 116mhz, with Vsb at 1.125v.Quote:
Originally Posted by neo_rtr
I always found at 481FSB with mine 110-112mhz was the sweet spot where everything worked right, and ICH9R raid0 performance was most consistent. I use HD Tune Pro to graph the Raid0 performance for my array at each 1mhz step, and concluded that 112mhz was the frequency where performance finished increasing. Any higher resulted in the SB choking from bus limitations, basically like it would spike high then suddenly drop off rapidly until the SB could catch up with the amount of data on the DMI link, then it would spike high again and repeat. In my case I think I found the SB's limit.
@greg.m
Nice work keep it up :up: :clap:
@Chemjsal
Very good work, nice indeed, keep it up :up: :clap:
Have not test much with the new RF bios, having some fun with my Rampage Extreme and a Q9650 with 4x1 ram @ 900MHz (1800 effective) @ CAS 7 right now
@mikeyakame
Very nice info about PCI-E frequency, I have learn a lot from you by reading your posts, keep up the good work, yourīre the man. :up: :clap:
Thanks for the information.:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeyakame
I'll try with PCIE 110MHz.
Im waiting to see sme results:)Quote:
Originally Posted by A-Grey
Pfff... It's a waste of time again.:down:Quote:
Originally Posted by greg.m
I don't know what to do anymore.:shrug:
Everything runs perfectly smooth but it can't stay stable. I need a BIOS that let's me fine tune the settings.
I tried with CPU and NB Clock Skew Normal and ended up with a crash again.
My best runs are with CPU Clock Skew Delay 200ps and NB Clock Skew Delay 100ps but I think that the 100ps difference between the CPU and NB Clock Skew is to large. That's what I'm thinking is causing these stability problems.
I'm so disappointed.:(
I bought this G.SKILL F2-9600CL5D-4GBPI memory to have better clocks and instead of having better clocks I'm running with lower clocks.
There's one thing that I learned from all of this. This is probably the last ASUS hardware that I bought because I don't think that there ever will be a decent BIOS for my current setup.
A-Grey - why are you using so low voltage on ram? From what I've read everywhere they are rated @ 2.1v. If you are trying to achieve 1200+ with lower than rated volts I'm not confused why you can't get them stable. If I were you I would try to volt up to 2.4 - 2.5.
I tried with higher voltage. It's worse. It fails immediately or ends up with a crash.Quote:
Originally Posted by kuebk
The voltage isn't the problem that I know for sure. The memory isn't causing problems. It's the combination of the hardware that makes the problems.
I tried with DDR 1117MHz too and I have the same problem.
I can change the amount of stable passes in LinX with changing the NB Voltage but I can't make it complete stable.
This makes me believe that it's a problem with the BIOS and my hardware.
What the hell is going on at ASUS. :confused:
They released a BETA BIOS for the Rampage II Extreme to have better OverClock support for XEON CPU's that officially aren't supported. :clap:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=224144
All that we get is that stupid answer to " Trial and ERROR :mad: " by yourself and don't see any changes in the ASUS Rampage Formula BIOS for OverClocking our official supported hardware.:shakes:
Perhaps we should all buy a XEON CPU. Maybe than we will get some changes in the BIOS for OverClocking our unsupported XEON CPU. :yepp:
[QUOTE=greg.m;3797693]Here i am now having again the same "old" instabilities. Yesterday i was stable with settings you see above, doing 700% memtest errorfree and 3 cycles primesmall and today with exactly the same settings im getting BSODs and lock ups. Now im back again trying to find which setting causes the prob:shrug::confused:. A-Grey it seems that we didnt have so much luck with our hardware choices :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by greg.m
[QUOTE=greg.m;3799984]Let me give you a hand. Chances are the Loadline Calibration thing is at fault. If I were u, I would disable it for good! Speaking from personal experience here.Quote:
Originally Posted by greg.m
Moreover, Asus boards, as ya'll may heard, are "finicky" about memory. Why be stubborn about it?
I hope I make some sense.
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Rampage Formula @0902
4x2GB G.Skill PC2-8800 (1117 MHz, 5-5-5-15, 2N) at 1.90V (AI Clock Twister: Stronger, NB Voltage: 1.49V, PL7)
Q9650 ES(E0) @4.19 GHz (465x9) at 1.4125V (1.38V real, 1.30V load) on water, FSB Strap: 333, LLC disabled!
Asus 4870 TOP 512MB @880/1180 MHz on water
Areca ARC-1210, ATI Theater 550 Pro, Dell 2405 FPW,
PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750W red - positioned outside the case
Lian-Li PC-V2000 black - both side panels off
I think that we've got compatibility issues with this memory and the board.
Since when is 8 X 465MHz = 3.74GHz. That's what it says in the post screen. Not always most of the times it says 3.73GHz and that's a little bit closer to 3.72GHz.:D
[QUOTE=greg.m;3799984]Quote:
Originally Posted by greg.m
well after doing some tests without success i decided to raise nbv one more time:shocked: from 1.65 @ 1.69, i lowered my vcore @ 1.2875 such as ramv@ 2.00 and abracadabra:
http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/7...klippagain.jpg
0803 bios settings:
Code:Ai Overclock Tuner [Manual]
CPU Ratio Setting [8.5]
FSB Strap to North Bridge [Auto]
FSB Frequency [485MHz]
PCIE Frequency [105MHz]
DRAM Frequency [1216MHz]
DRAM Command Rate [Auto]
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A/B [Auto]
DRAM TimingControl [Manual]-5-5-5-15
DRAM Static Read Control [Enabled]
Ai Clock Twister [Moderate]
Ai Transaction Booster [Manual]
Common Performance Level [07]
Pull-In of CH A/B all disabled
CPU Voltage [1.28750]
CPU PLL Voltage [1.50V]
North Bridge Voltage [1.69V] - 1.66V real
DRAM Voltage [2.00V]
FSB Termination Voltage [1.46V] - 1.38V real
South Bridge Voltage [Auto]
SB 1.5V Voltage [Auto]
Loadline Calibration [Enabled]
CPU GTL Voltage Reference [0.63X]
NB GTL Voltage Reference [0.67X]
DRAM Controller Voltage REF [Auto]
DRAM Channel A/B Voltage REF [Auto]
CPU Spread Spectrum [Auto]
PCIE Spread Spectrum [Auto]
CPU Clock Skew [Normal]
NB Clock Skew [Normal]
CPU Ratio Setting [8.5]
C1E Support [Disabled]
CPU TM Function [Disabled]
Vanderpool Technology [Disabled]
Execute Disable Bit [Enabled]
Max CPUID Value Limit [Disabled]
Intel(R) SpeedStep (TM) Tech. [Disabled]
for one more time i see that nbv is the most importand setting, at for me
The thing how safe is 1.69nbv? As you can see i dont have temp problems but is it enough for not damaging the nb?
No, these are built on 90nm process node. You're fine.
Nice!!!:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Zucker2k
Higher ram volts need higher NB volts as well. Also, what power supply are you using?Quote:
Originally Posted by A-Grey
You can see that ramv are not a prob with these sticks;). It has mostly to do with the nb or with other words with our x48 chipset. If we had a p45 then maybe we would talk for other probs:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by kuebk
Pump up the NB volt a bit more guys, i am able to attain long term stability only at 1.69-1.73 volts.I have ZIP tied a 120MM Thunderblade and temps hover in the 60s for the NB.So, i think it needs insane voltages to keep stable at the NB.
Not really, it may cause some really odd behaviours. For so high rated sticks I wouldn't go lower than rated voltage. Anyway does lowering voltage by 0.1v gives you any visible drop in temps on ram?Quote:
Originally Posted by greg.m
I have a problem with my rig, i have a Rampage Formula with Q9450 and 2 x 2 GB OCZ at 1150 Mhz running for more than 1 year perfect overclocket at 3600 Mhz with 1,28 V in bios (real around 1,26 V with LCC enabled). From yesterday i started to get freeze on games and i tried to check the system using Prime95, Linx and Intel Burn Test. With Prime95 on Blend everything was fine for more than 2 hours, i checked the memory with memtest and everything looks just fine, when im doing Small FFS a core is failing after 15-20 min, Intel Burn Test and Linx is failing after 3-4 loops, do you think i need to give a little more voltage to my cpu?
Probably, whatīs about the rest of volt and GTL settings?
Please show us, itīs easier to help then.
Thanks for the post. very good info..Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeyakame
Can one assume that at the same time the SB should get higher volts as well.
I was running 105 on the PCI change it to 110. i could not see any difference
but then again i did not try the +1,+1 stepping so its my bad.
I have a problem with my rig, i have a Rampage Formula with Q9450 and 2 x 2 GB OCZ at 1150 Mhz running for more than 1 year perfect overclocket at 3600 Mhz with 1,28 V in bios (real around 1,26 V with LCC enabled). From yesterday i started to get freeze on games and i tried to check the system using Prime95, Linx and Intel Burn Test. With Prime95 on Blend everything was fine for more than 2 hours, i checked the memory with memtest and everything looks just fine, when im doing Small FFS a core is failing after 15-20 min, Intel Burn Test and Linx is failing after 3-4 loops, do you think i need to give a little more voltage to my cpu?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghostleader
My settings:
*Extreme Tweaker*
Ai Overclock Tuner [Manual]
CPU Ratio Setting [08]
FSB Strap to North Bridge [Auto]
FSB Frequency [450]
PCIE Frequency [100]
DRAM Frequency [DDR2-1140MHz]
DRAM Command Rate [2N]
DRAM CMD Skew on Channal A [Greyed Out]
DRAM CMD Skew on Channal B [Greyed Out]
DRAM CLK Skew on Channal A [Delay 300ps]
DRAM CLK Skew on Channal B [Delay 300ps]
DRAM Timing Control [Manual]
1st Information
CAS# Latency [5]
RAS# to CAS# Delay [5]
RAS# PRE Time [5]
RAS# ACT Time [15]
RAS# to RAS# Delay [3]
REF Cycle Time [65]
WRITE Recovery Time [6]
READ to PRE Time [3]
2nd Information
READ to WRITE Delay (S/D) [8]
WRITE to READ Delay (S) [3]
WRITE to READ Delay (D) [5]
READ to READ Delay (S) [4]
READ to READ Delay (D) [6]
WRITE to WRITE Delay (S) [4]
WRITE to WRITE Dealy (D) [6]
3rd Information
WRITE to PRE Delay [14]
READ to PRE Delay [5]
PRE to PRE Delay [1]
ALL PRE to ACT Delay [6]
ALL PRE to REF Delay [6]
DRAM Static Read Control [Enabled]
Ai Clock Twister [Moderate]
Ai Transation Booster [Manual]
Common Performance Booster [7]
Pull-In of CHA PH1 [Disabled]
Pull-In of CHA PH2 [Disabled]
Pull-In of CHA PH3 [Disabled]
Pull-In of CHA PH4 [Disabled]
Pull-In of CHA PH5 [Disabled]
Pull-In of CHA PH6 [Disabled]
Pull-In of CHB PH1 [Disabled]
Pull-In of CHB PH2 [Disabled]
Pull-In of CHB PH3 [Disabled]
Pull-In of CHB PH4 [Disabled]
Pull-In of CHB PH5 [Disabled]
Pull-In of CHB PH6 [Disabled]
CPU Voltage [1.2850]
CPU PLL Voltage [1.60]
North Bridge Voltage [1.55]
DRAM Voltage [2.16]
FSB Termination Voltage [1.32]
South Bridge Voltage [1.05]
SB 1,5V Voltage [1.50]
Loadline Calibration [Enabled]
CPU GTL Voltage Reference [Auto]
NB GTL Voltage Reference [Auto]
DRAM Controller Voltage REF [AUTO]
DRAM Channel A Voltage REF [AUTO]
DRAM Channel B Voltage REF [AUTO]
CPU LED Selection [CPU Voltage]
NB LED Selection [North Bridge Voltage]
SB LED Selection [South Bridge Voltage]
Voltiminder LED [DISABLED]
CPU Spread Spectrum [Disabled]
PCIE Spred Spectrum [Disabled]
CPU Clock Skew [Normal]
NB Clock Skew [Normal]
*Advanced settings*
CPU Ratio Setting [08]
C1E Support [Disabled]
CPU TM Function [AUTO]
Vanderpool Technology [Disabled]
Execute Disable Bit [Enabled]
Max CPUID Value Limit [Disabled]
Intel(R) SpeedStep (TM) Tech. [Disable]
I used this settings for more than 1 year with problems till yesterday.
I'm surprised that it runs so well with the PCIE frequency at 110MHz. I tried to change the frequency with one of the previous BIOSes to 101 or 102MHz but my stability was gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by neo_rtr
With BIOS 0902 it works very well at 110MHz but I should run some more tests to see that everything is really stable at that frequency.
I didn't change my SB and SB 1.5V voltage. I left it on auto and the voltage didn't change so I think that it isn't necessary to change the voltage.
So i did this PCI starting at 100, 106, 108, 109, 100 and 112
I would think from the results that 110 is better,
PCI at 100
http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/183/100pci.png
By neo_rtr at 2009-05-21
PCI at 106
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/2108/106pci.png
By neo_rtr at 2009-05-21
PCI at 108
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/2235/108pci.png
By neo_rtr at 2009-05-21
PCI at 109
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/8333/109pci.png
By neo_rtr at 2009-05-21
PCI at 110
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/671/110pci.png
By neo_rtr at 2009-05-21
PCI at 112
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/7338/112pci.png
By neo_rtr at 2009-05-21
You guys that are upping the pci-e freq are using single vga cards??? Try it with a pair of cards, bet it doesnt happen....
i dont know.. if it will work either.Quote:
Originally Posted by screwtech02
but this test comes in in reply to a previous post.
new stable bios 0803 settings:
Code:Ai Overclock Tuner [Manual]
CPU Ratio Setting [8.5]
FSB Strap to North Bridge [Auto]
FSB Frequency [485MHz]
PCIE Frequency [105MHz]
DRAM Frequency [1216MHz]
DRAM Command Rate [Auto]
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A/B [Auto]
DRAM TimingControl [Manual]-5-5-5-15
DRAM Static Read Control [Enabled]
Ai Clock Twister [Moderate]
Ai Transaction Booster [Manual]
Common Performance Level [07]
Pull-In of CH A/B all disabled
CPU Voltage [1.29375]
CPU PLL Voltage [1.50V]
North Bridge Voltage [1.63V] - 1.62V real
DRAM Voltage [2.10V]
FSB Termination Voltage [1.46V] - 1.36-1.38V real
South Bridge Voltage [Auto]
SB 1.5V Voltage [Auto]
Loadline Calibration [Enabled]
CPU GTL Voltage Reference [0.62X]
NB GTL Voltage Reference [0.67X]
DRAM Controller Voltage REF [Auto]
DRAM Channel A/B Voltage REF [Auto]
CPU Spread Spectrum [Auto]
PCIE Spread Spectrum [Auto]
CPU Clock Skew [100]
NB Clock Skew [Normal]
CPU Ratio Setting [8.5]
C1E Support [Disabled]
CPU TM Function [Disabled]
Vanderpool Technology [Disabled]
Execute Disable Bit [Enabled]
Max CPUID Value Limit [Disabled]
Intel(R) SpeedStep (TM) Tech. [Disabled]
I could do 25 pass linx, run 200% memtest double instances and run 3 cycles prime95small. I changed CPU GTL Voltage Reference from 0.63x to 0.62x and set cpu skew @ 100. I dont know if its my idea but now all core temps are the same under load. Before these changes the core 0 was 2-4 degrees higher than core 2 and 3 and core 1 was always 1-3 degrees lower core 2 and 3 - under load.
Nice clocks. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by greg.m
Thanks mate;) Ill try now - one more time - to lower ramv and see...Quote:
Originally Posted by A-Grey