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07-31-2008, 03:02 PM
wongnog

I'm confused on one thing about this northbridge strap business. When you set it on Auto, doesn't it sometimes switch to 400 automatically then?
07-31-2008, 03:06 PM
ThugsRook

Quote:

Originally Posted by wongnog

I'm confused on one thing about this northbridge strap business. When you set it on Auto, doesn't it sometimes switch to 400 automatically then?

no, never.
07-31-2008, 03:12 PM
NBF

Quote:

Originally Posted by wongnog

Wow 1.5V for VCore, are you on water cooling? Forgot to mention that I'm on air cooling, I have an OCZ Vendetta 2 using OCZ Freeze TIM. And I thought you were on 516x6, are you more stable at 500x7? I didn't think the quad Kents could go that high.

I was just trying out the board, I run 450x8 or 400x9 depending on which RAM kit is on the rig.

Yes, 1,5Vcore for 3600... this Q6600 is the worst I've had :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by gurusan

1.5v on the northbridge for 500fsb!???

I was hoping to get lower PL :rofl:

That kind of Volts is totally unnecessary
07-31-2008, 03:12 PM
miguelca

Hi,

I've had a similar problem too.
It seems this mobo (or more likely a buggy BIOS) doesn't like the strap to be manually selected. :shrug:
If I leave the strap setting on AUTO and select a memory frequency that uses the 400 strap I don't have any problem though. :confused:
When I forced the 400 strap my PC refused to boot.

IMHO the P5Q Deluxe BIOS still has a LOT of room for improvement.
Let's hope the guys at ASUS are working hard... :rolleyes:

Quote:

Originally Posted by PortCitySlim

That is the exact same thing that happens to my Q6700! About 1 month ago I tried 400fsb strap and no boot at all. In fact I had to clear my CMOS because I couldn't restart or anything, and then when I did get CMOS cleared and settign restored minus the strap I was no longer stable at my previous setttings so I think I screwed something up somehow, I will never use 400strap again out of fear.:confused:
07-31-2008, 03:47 PM
flopper

Replaced my e8200 for a new e8500 since the pricedrop made it worthwhile.
And ofc, overclocking directly.

Now, I spent my whole day, trying to adjust, tweak and get it to run Orthos Blend stable, since it didnt run for a minute. Tried everything I could think of, which my brain did well indeed. This forum was great help btw ;)
However, I finnaly nailed the issue,
its fsb/ram instability.
After a day, and some coffe, some curses, and some more, I tried lower the multipel to 8.5, run 500fsb and performance level 12, and then it went trough and did run blend.

Since it worked to run blend, I figure how high I could go? currently 8.5x527fsb and 1.52vcore, I know, its high, but its just testing stuff out.:yepp:
07-31-2008, 04:31 PM
wongnog

Quote:

Originally Posted by NBF

Yes, 1,5Vcore for 3600... this Q6600 is the worst I've had :(

What is your cooling setup and how are your temps?
07-31-2008, 04:39 PM
NBF

Quote:

Originally Posted by wongnog

What is your cooling setup and how are your temps?

Scythe Ninja with 2x106cfm fans, temps are in the high 60s under Prime load.

It needs high Vcore but handles well heat, kind of a trade off.
07-31-2008, 04:45 PM
wongnog

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThugsRook

no, never.

So what is the nothbridge strap set to when you put it on auto?
07-31-2008, 04:56 PM
ThugsRook

Quote:

Originally Posted by wongnog

So what is the nothbridge strap set to when you put it on auto?

it would depend on the fsb and if youre setting the ddr speed manually or not.
but generally it will set nbs333.

when it comes to any of these P5Q boards, you really wanna keep anything in the bios away from being set to auto.
07-31-2008, 08:37 PM
PortCitySlim

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timbosan

I have a couple of questions.

Can anyone who has ram that they know is capable of 1200 MHz 5-5-5-15 get it to run at 1200 MHz on this board? I can hit 1125 MHz 5-5-5-15 @ 1.90v (bios) on PL10 and 333 strap orthos/OCCT stable, but 1200 is not happening - I get black screen on boot.

Does anyone know what the southbridge voltage is at when it is set to AUTO? I don't want to fry it so I'm think I will set it t 1.2v as the AUTO and lowest voltage settings (in the case of the SB 1.1v) for all other voltages except vdimm over volt excessively.

You must have the same memory as me. I have heard a few people hitting 1200 with my kit but I have no divider for my current overclock. I am testing 1133mhz 5-5-5-15 1.94v and PL10 right now. I have my FSB strap on auto, the only strap for 1133mhz is 400 and last time I manually set that it crashed on me.
07-31-2008, 09:53 PM
PortCitySlim

Timbosan, what memory do you have? I just got my set to pass PL10 at 1133 with SRC and MemOC charger. I am going to step down to PL9 and 8 and if those pass I am going for Moderate twister or Light if moderate fails. I run 2 hour OCCT ram tests because I have no working version of Super PI, I have Vista64 and am having trouble getting it to work.
07-31-2008, 10:42 PM
intarweb

Hmm, ok. Is there any reliable way for me to eliminate the hardware itself as the cause of my sound issue?
07-31-2008, 11:07 PM
Leeghoofd

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paodaf

Hi,
is it good settings for Q9450 for 3200Mhz?
I'm not sure about CPU GTL Voltage, is 0.63 safe for this CPU?]
Thanks

FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333
FSB Frequency: 400
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: 801
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: AUTO
DRAM Timing Control: AUTO
CPU Voltage: 1.22
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2): AUTO --> I run 0.63 on my Qx
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3): AUTO --> I run 0.63 on my Qx
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.52
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.1 --> change on 1.12 (your setting overvolts badly)
DRAM Voltage: 1.82
NB Voltage: 1.2
NB GTL Reference: AUTO
SBridge Voltage: AUTO
PCIE SATA Voltage: AUTO

Just change the FSB Term Voltage... and try to find the lowest stable setting besides 1.1...

To gain some ram performance try to set Transaction booster to Manual and go as low as possible... 10 should be doable... also try to play with the Clock twister : Moderate maybe...

For the rest looks fine...
07-31-2008, 11:24 PM
PortCitySlim

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timbosan

I have TeamXtreem PC8500.

I am using Orthos Large FFT test to test the ram, as well as OCCT. SPI 32M isn't hard enough on the ram to test if it's really 100% stable IMO. Memtest is also a good preliminary test but I cant find my cd. I have foundin the past though that I could pass memtest but fail in Orthos.

I'm dubious about using the 'OC charger' I dont want to burn my ram and I'm unsure if it increases current (drive strength) or what. I have it on AUTO. PL9 for me is no go at 534 FSB & ram 1:1.

What vNB & vDIMM are you using to be stable at 1133 with SRC and OC charger?

I am using NBv1.26 with 1.94 for my Ram. I am almost done testing PL9 it has made it through 1.5hours of OCCT Ram test so far. Hopefully I only have 2 more of these to run.:)

Edit: @ Leeghoofd, just a hypothetical question here, I am not there yet but which setting would give the best Ram performance PL8/Light or PL9/Moderate??
07-31-2008, 11:41 PM
PortCitySlim

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timbosan

OK thanks I will try increasing the vNB and see if I can gain some stability. I'm at 534 FSB though so PL10 and SRC at that speed may be pretty hard to get stable. Im not to keen on going over 1.26v (NB) though as the rated max for the P45 chipset is 1.21v. The reason you can run PL9 is that you're at 425 FSB and using a divider for your ram. At 1:1 PL10 is as low as you can go.

Yep, I am using 3:4 divider. I could also run 1066 but if I can run 1133 stable with PL 8 or 9 and Twister set to moderate I will be a very very happy person:)
08-01-2008, 01:40 AM
PortCitySlim

PL9 just passes. Working on PL8 now:)
08-01-2008, 04:00 AM
Martin.v.r

Bios 0803 no go x6 multip.. an Bios 1102 can i not run x8 multip.. :confused:
E8400
but I can run,low-volt in 1102 bios :rolleyes:
08-01-2008, 05:17 AM
truehighroller

Not all boards are the same. Did you flash to the 0803? It might have been your flash wasn't the best and you flashing up wrote over what it might have missed with the 0803.
08-01-2008, 06:08 AM
blizblaz

this board has played quite nice with the E8600 I picked up last week
settled for 4ghz @ 1.21v

some other results are below
didnt get pass 4.7ghz (1.49v) though since my HSF is limiting the system, temps were hitting 79C

4.0ghz @ 1.21v, 24/7 setup
http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/1...rs66ey9.th.jpg

4.5ghz (10x450) @ 1.41v, prime smallFFT 8hrs+
http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/6...1818rr2.th.jpg

4.6ghz (10x460) @ 1.44v (temps starting to get high so stopped priming after 30mins)
http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/1...1818ul3.th.jpg
08-01-2008, 06:11 AM
Martin.v.r

watercooling

E8400 @ 4.2GHZ bios 0803 1.3850v can not start multip..x6
E8400 @ 4.2GHZ bios 1102 1.3650v can not start multip..x8 did not test in now multip x6,but it comes
08-01-2008, 07:10 AM
Leeghoofd

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin.v.r

watercooling

E8400 @ 4.2GHZ bios 0803 1.3850v can not start multip..x6
E8400 @ 4.2GHZ bios 1102 1.3650v can not start multip..x8 did not test in now multip x6,but it comes

Was LLC on AUTO or Enabled ? will test tonite ya multi issues...
08-01-2008, 07:42 AM
eurototo

New 1103 Bios for P5Q Deluxe

Hi,

New 1103 Bios for P5Q Deluxe on Asus FTP:

ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/mb/so...ELUXE-1103.zip
08-01-2008, 07:50 AM
sxs112

Quote:

Originally Posted by eurototo

Hi,

New 1103 Bios for P5Q Deluxe on Asus FTP:

ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/mb/so...ELUXE-1103.zip

[ 1103 ]
----------------------
Update boot block.
08-01-2008, 08:25 AM
truehighroller

Is the 1103 on their ftp the same 1103 I currently have running on it? I should say had running on my rmaed one..
08-01-2008, 08:28 AM
JHS

Quote:

Originally Posted by truehighroller

Is the 1103 on their ftp the same 1103 I currently have running on it? I should say had running on my rmaed one..

I think you have 1102 now ;)

But I'm wondering same thing. Is there any changes between 1102 beta and 1103

Oh well. Takes only few minutes to flash and add settings again so maybe I flash anyways later today :)
08-01-2008, 09:01 AM
ThugsRook

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timbosan

My cpu has decided it no longer wants to be stable at 534 FSB...

i dont think its actually possible to be 24/7 stable above 500fsb, and i dont thnk its our CPUs or Mem.

benchmarks show some things get much slower @ 505fsb, and again @ 510, and again @ 515 !!!

i personally think 1:1 is getting messed up -OR- the PCI lock doesnt work.
08-01-2008, 09:02 AM
truehighroller

Quote:

Originally Posted by JHS

I think you have 1102 now ;)

But I'm wondering same thing. Is there any changes between 1102 beta and 1103

Oh well. Takes only few minutes to flash and add settings again so maybe I flash anyways later today :)

:p: ty for pointing that out.. So what does the boot block do??
08-01-2008, 09:11 AM
truehighroller

Quote:

Originally Posted by truehighroller

:p: ty for pointing that out.. So what does the boot block do??

Sorry,
08-01-2008, 09:21 AM
truehighroller

Never mind I see so it is the part of the bios that detects an issue. After trying there last BIOS I am pretty damn scared to try this one considering it is the part of the BIOS that's saves everything when somthing goes wrong.
08-01-2008, 09:56 AM
Pntgrd

What is the Secret to get the board to reboot to a non-overclock so you can change things when you get a bit overzeolous with the speeds? I thought it was just shut it off/on but that is not working well for me. Last night it took over 30 restarts to get into the bios.
08-01-2008, 10:08 AM
wongnog

Quote:

Originally Posted by sxs112

[ 1103 ]
----------------------
Update boot block.

There's a 1003 bios for P5Q-E on the ASUS FTP site too. Is it a step down from the 1101 beta bios you posted earlier?

ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/mb/so...-ASUS-1003.zip
08-01-2008, 10:24 AM
truehighroller

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pntgrd

What is the Secret to get the board to reboot to a non-overclock so you can change things when you get a bit overzeolous with the speeds? I thought it was just shut it off/on but that is not working well for me. Last night it took over 30 restarts to get into the bios.

You can press the restart button when it comes on, fast twice in a row and it should reboot and clear itself.
08-01-2008, 10:51 AM
JHS

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pntgrd

What is the Secret to get the board to reboot to a non-overclock so you can change things when you get a bit overzeolous with the speeds? I thought it was just shut it off/on but that is not working well for me. Last night it took over 30 restarts to get into the bios.

I usually turn PSU switch off. When mobo has lost all power I can turn it on and it always boots fine :)

Flashed my board with 1103. Everest results looks same than with 1102. No problems booting with my usual settings. Will run some prime etc to make sure everything is still working properly. So far no problems with 1103.
08-01-2008, 10:53 AM
Martin.v.r

BIOS 1103 :up: i can run multip.. x6 :up: all voltset on auto 500x6 E8400
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=397263

is SB volt set new?
08-01-2008, 11:08 AM
truehighroller

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin.v.r

BIOS 1103 :up: i can run multip.. x6 :up: all voltset on auto 500x6 E8400
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=397263

is SB volt set new?

Sounds new to me..
08-01-2008, 11:19 AM
JHS

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin.v.r

BIOS 1103 :up: i can run multip.. x6 :up: all voltset on auto 500x6 E8400
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=397263

is SB volt set new?

You are aware of the fact that board overvolts a lot with auto settings, right?

SB volt been there. I think even 803 had it. At least 1102 had

I think I'll try to stabilize 500+ FSB this weekend with my E8400 too. Getting bored with 9x450 :P
08-01-2008, 11:33 AM
Martin.v.r

an i got all multip..x6/..... :) in bios 1103

it will not read xp in at 600x6 FSB some ideas,to volt set
08-01-2008, 12:09 PM
Paodaf

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leeghoofd

Just change the FSB Term Voltage... and try to find the lowest stable setting besides 1.1...

To gain some ram performance try to set Transaction booster to Manual and go as low as possible... 10 should be doable... also try to play with the Clock twister : Moderate maybe...

For the rest looks fine...

Leeghoofd
Thanks for helping:)
I have stable OCCT tests on FSB Termination Voltage: 1.1. Do you think i'm still need to overvolt it to something 1.1.....?
Also i put CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3) on 0.67 . Is it normal for 45nm cpu?
I did some google search about GTL voltages, but not really understand what is the best for 45nm cpu.
08-01-2008, 12:30 PM
Leeghoofd

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paodaf

Leeghoofd
Thanks for helping:)
I have stable OCCT tests on FSB Termination Voltage: 1.1. Do you think i'm still need to overvolt it to something 1.1.....?
Also i put CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3) on 0.67 . Is it normal for 45nm cpu?
I did some google search about GTL voltages, but not really understand what is the best for 45nm cpu.

1.1 in fact overvolts big time mate...it's 1.5 in reality, one of the reasons I want you to change it to 1.12 then it overvolts to about 1.13.... test stability then again...
08-01-2008, 01:24 PM
R@ptor =]]

What is the max Vtt i can put for my e6750?
to 3.6ghz i need 1.26v.
thanks
08-01-2008, 01:43 PM
Paodaf

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leeghoofd

1.1 in fact overvolts big time mate...it's 1.5 in reality

oops
now it on 1.12

off-top: the temperatures Q9450 is 75C in OCCT monitoring and 65C in realtemp. Is it Tjunc issue and i should to believe that it around 65C?
08-01-2008, 02:12 PM
Leeghoofd

Quote:

Originally Posted by R@ptor =]]

What is the max Vtt i can put for my e6750?
to 3.6ghz i need 1.26v.
thanks

No prob even at 1.4 with 65nm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paodaf

oops
now it on 1.12

off-top: the temperatures Q9450 is 75C in OCCT monitoring and 65C in realtemp. Is it Tjunc issue and i should to believe that it around 65C?

Yep it's 65 then mate..
08-01-2008, 03:19 PM
AgentGOD

How is BIOS 1103 doing for you guys?
08-01-2008, 03:25 PM
PortCitySlim

Quote:

Originally Posted by AgentGOD

How is BIOS 1103 doing for you guys?

I just flashed it about 2 mins ago. Didn't really look around for anything new but so far I can see no difference. Maybe 1103 is just the official version of 1102, who knows. I will do some more testing tonight, working on hitting PL8 still.
08-01-2008, 03:48 PM
NaMcO

To everyone who commented: I will investigate the voltages tomorrow, thanks for the comments. This E8400 even on the 680i i had, needed 1,42v (real) to be stable at this speed. I know it's a bit too much and the problem might be something else, but if i lower the voltage any further, the system just crashes after a few minutes Prime95.

Anyway and even if i'm fully watercooled, i'll try to lower them tomorrow as i said, bit tired today.
08-01-2008, 07:19 PM
wongnog

Quote:

Originally Posted by NBF

I have same fsb with 803 and 1102 BIOSes

Most of the settings were on Auto in my 500+fsb runs!

The ones that I mannualy set are the following

CPU Ratio Setting: 7
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333
FSB Frequency: 500
PCI-E Frequency: 101
DRAM Frequency: 1000

DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency: 5
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15

AI Transaction Booster: MANUAL
Performance Level: 10
Pull-In of CHA PH1: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHA PH2: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHA PH3: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHA PH4: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH1: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH2: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH3: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH4: DISABLED

CPU Voltage: 1.500
DRAM Voltage: 2.02
NB Voltage: 1.5 (probably can be much lower, but I didn't try)

Load Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
CPU Margin Enhancement : Optimized

Advance CPU Settings
All settings: Disabled

NBF, I'm trying your settings with my Q6600 (G0) and P5Q-E (1101 beta bios). I found I couldn't boot into Vista 64 without keeping VCore and NBCore close to 1.50 V like you. However my system isn't Prime95 stable, keeps freezing after a couple minutes, so I'm progressively dialing down my FSB frequency. I'm down to 494x7 right now, but my temps are hovering around 71-72°C. I think that's the max recommended temp for my chip according to Intel. Should I be worried at all?
08-01-2008, 07:36 PM
wongnog

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leeghoofd

Yep it's 65 then mate..

Leeghoofd I notice temp discrepancies between CoreTemp and RealTemp on my Q6600. CT reports 73-73-67-67°C vs. RealTemp's 68-68-62-62°C. Which program is giving me the correct temp and why?
08-01-2008, 08:01 PM
NBF

Quote:

Originally Posted by wongnog

NBF, I'm trying your settings with my Q6600 (G0) and P5Q-E (1101 beta bios). I found I couldn't boot into Vista 64 without keeping VCore and NBCore close to 1.50 V like you. However my system isn't Prime95 stable, keeps freezing after a couple minutes, so I'm progressively dialing down my FSB frequency. I'm down to 494x7 right now, but my temps are hovering around 71-72°C. I think that's the max recommended temp for my chip according to Intel. Should I be worried at all?

This chips are pretty hard to clock fsb and they are not equal, some will do higher. I think you may be close to stable now.

Trust RealTemp, it's a very well made software, it's as close as a software can get from the real temperature. I personally don't worry with anything below 70°C Prime full load.
08-01-2008, 08:31 PM
wongnog

Quote:

Originally Posted by NBF

This chips are pretty hard to clock fsb and they are not equal, some will do higher. I think you may be close to stable now.

Trust RealTemp, it's a very well made software, it's as close as a software can get from the real temperature. I personally don't worry with anything below 70°C Prime full load.

Thanks, RealTemp does seem like a great program so I'll make the switch over to that. I feel better seeing temps around 66-67°C, just makes me "feel" safer. :) I think my Q6600 can do 490x7 but I gave up on testing. Instead I wanted to try 444x8 so I could run my ram at its rated DDR2-1066 speeds (it was at DDR2-980 at 490x7). I changed all voltages to auto except VDimm=2.0V and NBCore=1.5V. So now my VCore is 1.44V on auto, makes me feel safer cause 1.50V for VCore was scaring me a little...
08-01-2008, 10:02 PM
PortCitySlim

Leeghoofd, I couldn't get PL8 to pass. I got PL9 to pass but not on moderate, got it set to light now. Think I might bump up my voltage a bit more, is that safe? My sticks are rated at 1.8-1.9v and I am on 1.94(2.02v in reality) now. Would it be safe for my to bump it up 1.96-1.98? Thanks
08-01-2008, 11:53 PM
Leeghoofd

Quote:

Originally Posted by PortCitySlim

Leeghoofd, I couldn't get PL8 to pass. I got PL9 to pass but not on moderate, got it set to light now. Think I might bump up my voltage a bit more, is that safe? My sticks are rated at 1.8-1.9v and I am on 1.94(2.02v in reality) now. Would it be safe for my to bump it up 1.96-1.98? Thanks

Wich FSB/RAm are you doing mate... I've read on several forums 65nm quads behave different and some settings absolutely do not work as with 45nm CPU's....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timbosan

Anyone?

http://users.pandora.be/OAP/P5QDlx/600-1200prime.jpg

http://users.pandora.be/OAP/P5QDlx/600-1200.JPG

http://users.pandora.be/OAP/P5QDlx/600FSB32Mbpi.JPG

http://users.pandora.be/OAP/P5QDlx/E8500FSB600.JPG

http://users.pandora.be/OAP/P5QDlx/400-1200.JPG

http://users.pandora.be/OAP/P5QDlx/3...0011280gtx.JPG

http://users.pandora.be/OAP/4.4.JPG
08-02-2008, 12:08 AM
PortCitySlim

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leeghoofd

Wich FSB/RAm are you doing mate... I've read on several forums 65nm quads behave different and some settings absolutely do not work as with 45nm CPU's....

425/566 for a 3:4 divider. I have increased my Ram voltage to 1.96 and PL8/Moderate passed memtest so now I am running a 2 hour OCCT Ram test. Looks like I can increase the voltage on this ram up to 2.0v in the bios and still be safe. Is PL8/Moderate a good goal for me? I am running SRC: Enabled, MemOC Charger: Enabled

edit: If PL8/moderate passes then I might be able to up the voltage a bit more to maybe 1.98v and get PL8/Strong to pass, or maybe PL7/Moderate if possible. I think I really like this stuff, I am not done with testing yet but my goal is to push it as hard as it will go at 1133mhz and under 2.0v
08-02-2008, 12:44 AM
Leeghoofd

Quote:

Originally Posted by AgentGOD

How is BIOS 1103 doing for you guys?

I flashed back to this official one... it boots with lower PL levels now eg at 400FSB/1066 it posts with PL7 set... before it was 10... so the non tweakers will get a bit more...

for 400FSB this is the rundown with Pl at AUTO: 400/800 :13
400/1000 : 10
400/1066 : 7

It passed a 2 hour OCCt test so for me initial stability is there... will test some more FSB/RAM Pl's

Quote:

Originally Posted by PortCitySlim

edit: If PL8/moderate passes then I might be able to up the voltage a bit more to maybe 1.98v and get PL8/Strong to pass, or maybe PL7/Moderate if possible. I think I really like this stuff, I am not done with testing yet but my goal is to push it as hard as it will go at 1133mhz and under 2.0v

If you can enable SRC and Moderate I think you are pretty maxed out... but if you got good ram who knows...
08-02-2008, 12:53 AM
Leeghoofd

I still use my Gskill PC8000HZ kit for the 1200mhz runs... I need to up NB voltage to 1.28, for the rest it was pretty straightforward... as soon as you want to hit 600FSB/1200ram things got more complicated here...

I would update to at least 0704 bios, I'm on 1103 official right now, build seems about the same as 1102 beta... will have to see what's different or not...
08-02-2008, 01:03 AM
PortCitySlim

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leeghoofd

I flashed back to this official one... it boots with lower PL levels now eg at 400FSB/1066 it posts with PL7 set... before it was 10... so the non tweakers will get a bit more...

It passed a 2 hour OCCt test so for me initial stability is there... will test some more FSB/RAM Pl's

If you can enable SRC and Moderate I think you are pretty maxed out... but if you got good ram who knows...

Sweet, I just passed 2 hour OCCT Ram test on PL8/Moderate!!! The only thing is that I flashed 1103 and bumped voltage to 1.96 at the same time so I am not sure which one helped, I think the extra juice did the most help though. Do you use MemOC Charger? I want to tweak a bit more if possible now, do you think I should try for PL7/Moderate or PL8/Strong?
08-02-2008, 03:23 AM
PortCitySlim

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timbosan

Anyone able to link me to the asus FTP where I can DL the latest BIOS? It seems to be down/restricted. Cheers.

ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/mb/so...eluxe-1103.zip
08-02-2008, 03:28 AM
Cloud76

Hi,

-the saved oc prifiles remains after bios update?
-if YES, is it safe to load an oc profile of an older BIOS? Because for example a newer release can have added option or some different setting

Thanks.
08-02-2008, 03:29 AM
sam95ta

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timbosan

Anyone able to link me to the asus FTP where I can DL the latest BIOS? It seems to be down/restricted. Cheers.

ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/mb/so...ELUXE-1103.zip
08-02-2008, 04:18 AM
waynetu

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leeghoofd

I flashed back to this official one... it boots with lower PL levels now eg at 400FSB/1066 it posts with PL7 set... before it was 10... so the non tweakers will get a bit more...

for 400FSB this is the rundown with Pl at AUTO: 400/800 :13
400/1000 : 10
400/1066 : 7

It passed a 2 hour OCCt test so for me initial stability is there... will test some more FSB/RAM Pl's

If you can enable SRC and Moderate I think you are pretty maxed out... but if you got good ram who knows...

i think it depends on the ram (or we can say it is compatiable issue for ram and mb) not the bios, i can run g.kill pi at 1066/1200 pl7 with 1102 stable, might give the new official 1103 a go tomorrow. as i said before, when seeting ram at 1200, system will show 1333 with strap 400.
08-02-2008, 04:51 AM
Leeghoofd

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timbosan

**EDIT - Is the 1103 bios the latest official bios or a beta?

Seems official...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cloud76

Hi,

-the saved oc prifiles remains after bios update?
-if YES, is it safe to load an oc profile of an older BIOS? Because for example a newer release can have added option or some different setting

Thanks.

DO NOT EVER LOAD OC PROFILES FROM AN OLDER BIOS, just a general warning

Quote:

Originally Posted by waynetu

i think it depends on the ram (or we can say it is compatiable issue for ram and mb) not the bios, i can run g.kill pi at 1066/1200 pl7 with 1102 stable, might give the new official 1103 a go tomorrow. as i said before, when seeting ram at 1200, system will show 1333 with strap 400.

Yes true, but the bios boots with these now with AUTO selected in the transaction Booster, earlier biosses it set higher (safer) values... this is not necessarily the lowest you can work with....
08-02-2008, 05:25 AM
Martin.v.r

590x7 bios 1103 :help: why not 600 fsb :fight:

?max PL volt on waterooling ??????

is not the vcore volt/fsb/mem :confused:

i got Cellshock PC8000 CL4
08-02-2008, 06:51 AM
Paodaf

where can i find how to measure voltages on this board?
please anyone:confused:
08-02-2008, 06:51 AM
chispy

I was just testing some old cpus on this board on Air using TRUE + Delta 220cfm, seems like a good overall clocker board it does like older cpus too :D

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=397460

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...123/cpuz-3.jpg
08-02-2008, 08:16 AM
chispy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timbosan

Nice result there good work :up: What vcore?

Thanks , Only 1.70v :p:
08-02-2008, 10:31 AM
Kartoff

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timbosan

Ok so i'm now using Bios 1103. I think they have made quite a few changes, one notably I think is the memory voltage settings. I don't think the vdimm is 0.08v higher than set in bios anymore, as I failed orthos in <1min at the previously stable setting (1.90v bios - 1.98v real). I have set 2.0v in bios and it's been stable for minutes now. Can anyone confirm this through their own observations? We have to figure out the measure points on the front of the board so we can verify it for sure, as I'd like to know exactly what I'm giving my ram. There are also a few extra options in the new bios.

Also the PL has dropped when set to auto, such that now I have to set PL10 manually to be stable at 445 FSB and DDR 1068 MHz. On auto, it wouldn't even boot up.

Witch extra options did u mean ?
I didnt notice the difference in stability between 1102 and 1103, when using same vDIMM (2,06v. @ 1080MHz 5-5-5-15)... I run Orthos for 2 hours now with same settings as 1102 without problems... Waiting for somebody to measure voltages again...
08-02-2008, 12:04 PM
nex-3

why all say 1103 is official ? cant find on all asus sites?!
08-02-2008, 01:17 PM
Seanie's Show

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leeghoofd

DO NOT EVER LOAD OC PROFILES FROM AN OLDER BIOS, just a general warning.

Sorry im using the P5Q-E, when I first got the board a couple of weeks back, it had bios 06xx on it, I flashed to 08xx straight away before installing anything, however when I had my overclock nice and stable and set up I saved it to profile 1, the other day 1003 was released and I flashed to that, re-entered the bios and tried loading OC prolie 1, saved and exited, re-entered the bios again to make sure everything had loaded OK, and quite simply, nothing had changed, just had to set the bios up manually again, nothing Major in it at all, just plain and simple, although 1003 rocks, but still has a slight issue with express gate and my usb external HD as did 0803.
08-02-2008, 01:45 PM
Martin.v.r

#2210
is a beta
08-02-2008, 01:48 PM
-n7-

Quote:

Originally Posted by nex-3

why all say 1103 is official ? cant find on all asus sites?!

If it's on their ftp: ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/mb/so...eluxe-1103.zip

People like to try 'em ;)

Official or otherwise.
08-02-2008, 03:21 PM
-n7-

Heh, i just updated from 0901 to 1103 myself.

Doesn't change what tRD levels i can do.

10x350 2:3 = tRD 6 + pull-ins
9x389 3:4 = tRD 7 + pull-ins
8x438 5:6 = tRD 8 + pull-ins

Everest read is a bit better with 1103, but thus far Write, Copy, & Latency are worse.

Not really impressed; i may go back to 0901.
08-02-2008, 06:26 PM
Polizei

It looks like my P5Q-Deluxe arrived DOA... :(:(:(
08-02-2008, 07:33 PM
Loser777

Is there any significant VTT/PLL overvolt?
08-02-2008, 07:47 PM
truehighroller

Quote:

Originally Posted by Polizei

It looks like my P5Q-Deluxe arrived DOA... :(:(:(

Did you get it from newegg? Sorry to hear that man.
08-02-2008, 10:25 PM
Polizei

Quote:

Originally Posted by truehighroller

Did you get it from newegg? Sorry to hear that man.

Yeah, got an RMA Return for Replacement with them, I just need to ship it out. I would have shipped it today, but I ended up taking a nap. :slap::am::hitself:
08-03-2008, 02:45 AM
Lil'ManComputer

Hi Guys!

I flashed the 1004 BIOS for P5Q. After that I got blue screens at start up, or the error message "explorer.exe stopped worinkg". I set the important values manually in BIOS, and so the system seems to work fine. I dont read much abuot this build, but I am afraid that something is not correctly set there, I hope I dose not overvolt anything. Has someone got such problems? Or has got anyone voltage measurements with this BIOS?
08-03-2008, 04:39 AM
gurusan

were you using 1102 before?
08-03-2008, 05:26 AM
Leeghoofd

Nope he was on 0610... but I sitll don't have aclue why he needed more ram volts than before... I needed a bit more NB voltage from 0901 on, as ram performance was a tad better from there on than earlier versions...
08-03-2008, 07:28 AM
nex-3

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin.v.r

#2210
is a beta

thx ;) somebody can tell me what is the different between c-state tech and c1-e ?
08-03-2008, 10:05 AM
Cloud76

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paodaf

where can i find how to measure voltages on this board?
please anyone:confused:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=472
08-03-2008, 10:09 AM
Leeghoofd

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timbosan

Does anyone know what the Asus feature "OC Memory Charger" actually does? I'm thinking it may increase the drive strength.

If it increases OC'bility , what do you think it does :D
08-03-2008, 10:48 AM
ThugsRook

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timbosan

Does anyone know what the Asus feature "OC Memory Charger" actually does? I'm thinking it may increase the drive strength.

yes, enabled it helps a little with bandwidth & OCing.
08-03-2008, 11:14 AM
khaydin

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThugsRook

yes, enabled it helps a little with bandwidth & OCing.

Whenever I enable it it causes system instability, ram won't pass any kind of stress testing. Turn it off and system is back to 100% stability. Even when not overclocking and using the ram's default timings and 2.1v just enabling that causes instability for me. I have yet to find any combination of settings(or bios revision) that allow for stability and that setting enabled. I've even added up to 2.3v and that did nothing to make it stable with Mem OC Charger enabled.
08-03-2008, 12:21 PM
ThugsRook

Quote:

Originally Posted by khaydin

Whenever I enable it it causes system instability, ram won't pass any kind of stress testing. Turn it off and system is back to 100% stability. Even when not overclocking and using the ram's default timings and 2.1v just enabling that causes instability for me. I have yet to find any combination of settings(or bios revision) that allow for stability and that setting enabled. I've even added up to 2.3v and that did nothing to make it stable with Mem OC Charger enabled.

quite the opposite using Mushkin PC6400. i can enable MOC charger at any stable speed without losing stability or PL settings. (@ 1.9v upto about 1120mhz)
08-03-2008, 01:16 PM
Seanie's Show

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThugsRook

quite the opposite using Mushkin PC6400. i can enable MOC charger at any stable speed without losing stability or PL settings. (@ 1.9v upto about 1120mhz)

Same here using 4gb of Crucial Ballistix Tracer Red :up:
08-03-2008, 05:57 PM
-n7-

I decided i like 1103 better than 0901 now actually.

I can somehow hit a slightly higher stable CPU speed & RAM speed with the exact same settings as 0901 :)
08-03-2008, 07:58 PM
intarweb

My board came with 0605? Does that mean it was a kind of early one? I still haven't figured out if it's defective >.<

I'm using 0704 right now
08-03-2008, 08:06 PM
zizo

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...titled-1-5.jpg
Here is mine so far with Scythe Ninja and 2.02v memory.
08-03-2008, 08:38 PM
Ruslan

Strange problem

with BIOS 1102 and 1103 when I load setup defaults the computer does not post. I have to use the CMOS jumper. Does anyone else have the same problem?
08-04-2008, 01:33 AM
Cloud76

Somebody knows where to find the audio drivers (for AD2000B)?
Are they present ONLY on Asus website? SoundMax? These are a little 'dated ... compared to generic realtek drivers that come 2 or 3 times a month.
I tried to look for driver on www.analog.com but here I found nothing.
Thanks! Cloud.
08-04-2008, 01:57 AM
Leeghoofd

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruslan

with BIOS 1102 and 1103 when I load setup defaults the computer does not post. I have to use the CMOS jumper. Does anyone else have the same problem?

didn't have that with neither bios... maybe result of a bad flash... try popping the battery for a few minutes then put it back, boot with one dimm... then enter bios and set correct voltages for ya ram as starter...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cloud76

Somebody knows where to find the audio drivers (for AD2000B)?
Are they present ONLY on Asus website? SoundMax? These are a little 'dated ... compared to generic realtek drivers that come 2 or 3 times a month.

Do you have sound related problems ?
08-04-2008, 02:04 AM
PortCitySlim

With 1103 I just got my ram to pass PL8/Strong 1.96v, 1133mhz, SRC Enabled, MemOC Charger Enabled, 5-5-5-15 Trfc 55 !!! Tested PL7/Moderate and it failed, if I can hit PL7 it will be on lighest or light. If I did get PL7 to pass on lightest would that be much of a performance increase over PL8/Strong???
08-04-2008, 04:07 AM
Ruslan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leeghoofd

didn't have that with neither bios... maybe result of a bad flash... try popping the battery for a few minutes then put it back, boot with one dimm... then enter bios and set correct voltages for ya ram as starter...

Do you have sound related problems ?

I have no sound related problems, but I did notice this started happening after I installed an extra 4 GB of ram to make it 8 GB total. Not a big deal just something I came across.
08-04-2008, 08:16 AM
Cloud76

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cloud76

Somebody knows where to find the audio drivers (for AD2000B)?
Are they present ONLY on Asus website? SoundMax? These are a little 'dated ... compared to generic realtek drivers that come 2 or 3 times a month.
I tried to look for driver on www.analog.com but here I found nothing.
Thanks! Cloud.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leeghoofd

Do you have sound related problems ?

No, I must install all software and drivers.
I ask this to install the latest driver available and on Asus web site SoundMax version is of May (first release i think for ad2000b).
I would know if I must wait on Asus web site for new audio drivers update for ADI codecs or if there are newer release from the producer (like it happens with Realtek codecs...).
:)
08-04-2008, 08:26 AM
Leeghoofd

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruslan

I have no sound related problems, but I did notice this started happening after I installed an extra 4 GB of ram to make it 8 GB total. Not a big deal just something I came across.

Did you up NB voltage ? hopefully the dimms are actively cooled...
08-04-2008, 09:12 AM
AgentGOD

Looks official now. It showed up on the main download page.

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/7579/biosbc5.jpg
08-04-2008, 09:20 AM
truehighroller

Quote:

Originally Posted by AgentGOD

Looks official now. It showed up on the main download page.

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/7579/biosbc5.jpg

What about the boot block though?
08-04-2008, 09:40 AM
RBS

Hi, need help with some tensions, I´d like to know max V I can use safely with Q6600 about:

CPU Voltage: Maybe 1.45?
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.6 ?
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.5 ?

Well like I doubt about NB, maybe 1.4 ?

Thanks a lot!
08-04-2008, 10:12 AM
nex-3

Quote:

Originally Posted by nex-3

thx ;) somebody can tell me what is the different between c-state tech and c1-e ?

nobody? :(
08-04-2008, 10:29 AM
truehighroller

Quote:

Originally Posted by nex-3

nobody? :(

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_state
08-04-2008, 12:40 PM
NaMcO

RE: Voltage

After a few trial-and-error runs, i came up with this:

- Lowered CPU PLL Voltage from 1,52v to 1,50v
- Lowered FSB Termination Voltage from 1,26v to 1,20v
- Lowered VCORE voltage from 1,43750v to 1,42500v (go easy, these are BIOS values)
- Increased NB voltage from 1,28v to 1,30v

Still stable and a tiny bit cooler on the CPU. Also tightened a bit more the RAM timings and it holds. I'm gonna depurate this a bit more and then post a template/pictures.

I am guessing i can lower the VCORE a bit more because my NB had the voltage too low and crashed when i lowered VCORE? Time and testing will tell :D

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