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Rayleigh scattering?Quote:
Originally Posted by NapalmV5
Exactly!
Ummmm.....what else would it be?Quote:
Originally Posted by ajaidev
Scaling of the GF100 architecture either has to happen on a by-GPC basis or by SMs. Each multiprocessor contains 32 cores which means the cut-down card will either have 480, 448 or 416 SPs plus the accompanying texture units. 480 would make its performance too close to a GTX 480 and 416 may not be enough to compete with overclocked HD 5870 cards.
So, NVIDIA will probably choose the middle ground and make the GTX 470 with 448SPs and 56 texture units.
And yet it significantly outperforms the 5870 in terms of tessellation performance. And in no way was it tacked on as a reaction to ATI's tessellator. The DX11 spec mandates tessellation, Nvidia knew about it as soon as the DX11 spec went public, and they were probably made aware of DX11 details long before it went public as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tenknics
Well people were complaining about going from GTX200 to GTX400 rather than GTX300.Quote:
Originally Posted by eric66
I was pointing out that ATI has basically done the same thing in the past, going from X800 to X1000 rather than X900 and nobody complained about that.
Come on man, I can't believe you are saying this like if you really think that ATI skipped anything there:Quote:
Originally Posted by ElSel10
Radeon 7###.
Radeon 8###.
Radeon 9###.
Radeon X###.
Radeon X1###.
Radeon HD2###.
Sure, you can see the series here, when they have used every number up to 9###, they had to use a new scheme. They used X instead of 10 (roman numerals), and they started the new numeration cycle adding a new prefix digit from there (starting by 1 at the following generation, following by 2 the next, and so).
The only thing that changed in that scheme is that when DX10 cards where made, and they included the HD video postprocessing component in the GPU, they changed the X prefix by HD (because they wanted to reafirm the High Definition focus of the cards).
So, how can anybody complaint about the change from X800 to X1800 and X600 to X1600?
NVIDIA is skipping one generation here, which is hardly comparable to run out of numbers like it happened to ATI then. Not that great of a deal IMO, just messing a little with the marketing names like they did with 8800GT and 8800GTS 512MB (they should have been named as 9000 series, it was G92 chip, not G8x, I don't know why they did so yet). It can be a little confusing, but in this case is very straight forward because there is not any desktop product with a GTX300 or GTX400 marketing name, so it can't be so confusing like it was back then with the 8800GT and derivatives mess.
Whilst waiting for Fermi I've acquired a 3dfx Voodoo 5 6000. (not joking) :D
That should keep me nice and busy. :p:
(ps. not from eBay)
Who the heck cares if they "missed" a generation? Talk about nit picking...
It's over, they're done. It's FINISHED!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by eric66
/end dramatic fight scene.
Actually, I care a great deal if NVIDIA creates a whole "generation" out of rebranding.Quote:
Originally Posted by SKYMTL
NVIDIA - The Way It's Meant To Manipulate Unsuspecting Buyers, version 2010.
That's just lame.
Because the 400 series is way ahead of schedule unlike the 300 series.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrono Detector
Now that is an unfair statement. You're saying they would be like Bose?Quote:
NVIDIA - The Way It's Meant To Manipulate Unsuspecting Buyers, version 2010.
That's just lame.
renaming before product launch... nice :p
That's based on assumption and nothing more. Most of the GT200 series of cards aren't even in production anymore so you can't get a rebrand of something that doesn't exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teemax
People are jumping to conclusions here based off of the renaming of a single card. Heaven knows why NVIDIA did that with the 310 but I don't think it can set a precedent simply because the stock necessary for a rebadged launch isn't around.
I agree that the renaming is pretty lame but seriously anybody who is buying a discrete video card and doesn't know anything about what they are actually buying doesn't give a rats rumpus about it to begin with or should be seeking help in their purchase. Not everyone needs to be informed because it simply doesn't matter or that they simply don't care and just want video. An unsuspecting buyer that is clueless can just as easily end up with an AGP or PCI card, also considering very old video cards are still manufactured and sold today a consumer can end up with a 5 generation old video card just as easy a current gen video card without using basic common sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teemax
You don't have to be the sharpest tool in the shed to be able to read a product box to compare or simply google, its really not rocket science.
The world isn't going to hold the consumers hand, consumer's have survived happily for many years just fine and I believe they will continue to do so.
Obviously you are not falling for any rebranding, do you think you are that much smarter than the rest of the world...
Is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by SKYMTL
You must have missed the "launch" of the new GeForce 300M chips then.
GTS 360M, GTS 350M, GTS 335M, GTS 330M, GTS325, 310M and 305M... that's a pretty complete line up there, and they're all rebrands.
BTW, those "brand new" Quattro FX Mobile? Rebrands.
http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/17494/1/
Basing on a one card incident? Hardly!
Hold on....when did this conversation turn to mobile parts? :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Teemax
Just for curiosity, who is nit picking anything? Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that this comment of yours, SKYMTL, is at least in part directed to my previous one. In such a case, I think you would have missunderstood my post (maybe didn't read it full, or paying attention?).Quote:
Originally Posted by SKYMTL
If I'm wrong, and you're not talking about my post, sorry then. I thought it was the case because you were talking about other different topics when I brought back the "skipping generations" one responding to someone who said that ATI "skipped" a generation from X800 to X1800 (don't ask me how).
If anything, the mobile parts give a good indication that NVIDIA continues their great rebranding scheme into their 3xx series. So it's actually an assumption to think that they'd stop.Quote:
Originally Posted by SKYMTL
There's nothing "smart" about it. You and I belong to a minority group of people who follow tech news closely.Quote:
Originally Posted by highoctane
Do you seriously believe that NVIDIA rebrand their cards just for fun and to piss off tech enthusiasts? They do it because it works, shady business tactics or not.
x900 isn't a generation thats like saying nvidia skipped 6900 or ati did skip 9900 lolQuote:
Originally Posted by ElSel10
Fine, if you want to talk about mobile Quadro parts, let's do just that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teemax
You point towards the Quadro article at Fudzilla to be an indication of rebadged parts. They are not. I have used Quadro cards for most of my professional life from the current 2700M in a laptop all the way back to the NVS days.
The previous generation of DX10-capable mobile Quadro cards were the 370M, 770M, 1700M, 2700M and 3700M. The new cards are all x8xxM which makes total sense to me considering they now support higher memory bandwidth, OpenCL 3.2, have EnergyStar certification, use a new power management system....the list goes on.
How is that a rebrand again? They added updated tech but you expect them to keep the same names? Now THAT would cause confusion.
You don't have to follow tech closely or be a techie to be informed no more than you have to be a mechanical engineer to purchase a car. What it boils down to is that those who are looking for a specific thing will do their research while those who don't care will simply buy what they have budgeted for regardless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teemax
Its not about being in a minority group of folks that follow tech, its about having the basic common sense to know what you are spending your hard earned money on. Its the basic common sense to be somewhat informed before making any purchase unless you simply don't care at which point it doesn't matter either way.
in 1-2 months from now... and their prices will drop a lot so their days wont be really numbered...Quote:
Originally Posted by NapalmV5
does it work?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim
be careful with the agp bridge chip, i heard those blow really easy :S
hahah who knows, maybe itll actually be the 5xx series by the time its launched :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Nedjo
The HiNT chip is blown, but I've got a spare HiNT chip and an appointment with a BGA IR rework station. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
The board powers up, Bios is accesible, so most likely it's the HiNT chip, so it should be working after the bridge chip is replaced. Fun stuff, looking forward to it.
ps, you're right about the bridge chip being sensitive, motherboard incompatibility can be a problem, the chip will simply overheat due to it, and blow.
Better be on topic again, otherwise we will get into trouble. :p:
Do these sources live in Neverland too? What exactly have you seen/read that leads you to that laughably incorrect conclusion?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tenknics
not only that who really believes that single 480 will pass 5970 ?Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
I'll admit, even I had a laugh at that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by trinibwoy
Grouping all the fixed function stages isn't reactionary in any way, shape or form. It's what has to be done for efficient rendering in certain environments.
It's the same chip, they simply put in higher memory and update the software and call it a new generation.Quote:
Originally Posted by SKYMTL
You call that a new product?
BTW, you surely want to talk only about the Quadro parts, since at least they did something before renaming. The whole Gefore 3xx line right now is just a plain mindless rebranding. If you support this kind of creating a whole new "generation" from rebranding, do go on the record and say so.
They aren't marketing it as a new product but rather an updated version of a product that has been around since 2008.... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Teemax
If the issues trickle down into the discrete desktop series and they do so without including any additional features, then I will have an issue. OEM cards are different since most of the time any rebrands in this space are done at the betest of the large system integrators.Quote:
The whole Gefore 3xx line right now is just a plain mindless rebranding. If you support this kind of creating a whole new "generation" from rebranding, do go on the record and say so.
The mobile space has long had issues with rebranding from NVIDIA, ATI, Intel, AMD, etc. so I can't really pistol-whip NVIDIA for it since its been done countless other times by what seems like every manufacturer. Is it wrong? I can't really say but I don't like it any more than you do. It's just necessary to look at the whole picture instead of just focusing on what's happening right in front of you. :(
It wouldn't be anything out of this world :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by eric66
I must have missed this but when did Nvidia announce that Fermi would be the GTX300 series? :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nedjo
I think in the minimum FPS at 2560x1600 department, it will... and probably be a scrap faster in some tests on the averages.Quote:
Originally Posted by eric66
I could be wrong, though, but I'll be disappointed if it can't come so close it may as well be the same :rofl: .
Indeed. I remember (but I might be wrong) them saying something about exactly the opposite, something like Fermi wasn't to be named GTX300 commercially. But I would have to be honest and say that I didn't think that such claim would mean that it was to be named GTX400...Quote:
Originally Posted by ElSel10
Anyway, I don't think it is a great deal in this case. I didn't like very much when they named as 8000 series the first G92 cards (I think they should have been named as 9000 series) because it was somewhat a mess, I didn't like when they later named more G92 parts as 9000 series when some of them had been named as 8000 because it was a greater mess, and I didn't like when they named more G92 derivatives as GTS/GT200 series because it started to sound as a joke.
But in this case I just don't see any possibility of confussion given that no GT/S/X300 parts have been released to the desktop market (and the laptop market ones are not the same architecture than Fermi chips). It's a commercial name after all, it makes GT/S/X200 parts to seems older than they are or the new Fermi parts newer and more different in comparison, and that's all about it. Probably that's the reason why they have decided to do this if they finally go with GTX400 naming. To put some ground between the previous generation (which might have some kind of "failure" perception in public awareness) and the new cards. That's fine and it's what marketing is about, and a commercial name is nothing but marketing.
Maybe even they have decided to start using an scheme of "even generation number to new archs, and odd generation number to refreshes". I don't think so, but it could be... and it wouldn't have anything bad.
They didn't. Just like they never announced anything called GT300 (see thread title :confused:). What I'd like to know is whether they went with 4xx to signify the extent of the architectural overhaul or if they genuinely are trying to clean up their mucked up naming scheme.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElSel10
I have a feeling maybe its a lil bit of both?Quote:
Originally Posted by trinibwoy
they probably will kill of the renaming for a while now... complete new architechture to work with and as the mobile parts and aa couple renames are in the 300series... it makes sense for it to be gtx4** etc..
of course it can in few games like in batman or few other nvidia sponsored games but in 70 to 80 percent of tests i believe (and nvidias behavior indicates that ) 5970 will be superior one so i don't see how we say bye bye to 5970Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
Heh I was being only half-serious, but I do think we might see the Fermi edging out the 5970 in these situations.Quote:
Originally Posted by eric66
you've also missed this: :pQuote:
Originally Posted by ElSel10
This is little short sighted here, as the 480 will be faster than the 5970 in certain very high resolution environments if only due to RAM shortages on the 5970 part that the 480 won't have. Now this isn't to say anything at all about how they will compare in other ways, but the circumstance stated to the person you were answering will probably pan out in Nvidias favor if only due to the RAM.Quote:
Originally Posted by eric66
let me put into perspective for you nvidia doubters.. a very fast 256 fermi @ 850core/1700shader wouldve been enough to beat 5870 and a dual of that to handle 5970.. and that wouldve been out in retail last year.. thats what ati does.. always the easy way
nvidia never considered 2010 refreshes from ati ??
all theyve been concentrating on is just 5870/5970 ??
final specs/performance numbers are coming.. more importantly so is IQ bliss
:toast:
Why would they consider 2010 refreshes from ATi when they were hoping to be done by fall 09?
(sells 5870 now)Quote:
Originally Posted by NapalmV5
GTX 480 will no doubt be fast, IMO ~90% of a 5970. Probably similar to 5870 Vs. GTX295
i dont think ppl are really doubting the performance of fermi..Quote:
Originally Posted by NapalmV5
i mean it should be everything its hyped up to be..considering how large and power hungry its suppose to be along with the wait, which is the only thing i see people really doubting..when will it be available and at want price/quanity?..
by now i hope no one is surprised by the performance that fermi brings..this late in the race it BETTER be faster then 5870 at the very least if they want it to even compete at all.
That's nice, a "would've" here, could've there, should've there..Quote:
Originally Posted by NapalmV5
Fact is, this did not come out - period.
As for the rest of your info, seeing as how you've claimed in thread's past that you don't really know what's going on, but it's based on your conjecture, I won't be holding my breath. Whatever happened to the rules about people claiming things without being willing to back it up? It's gotten people in trouble before...
People seem talking out of their rear these days. :rolleyes:
Ummm... Nvidia's memory mismanagement is currently an unknown in regards to the GTX4x0. That statement causes nothing but a laugh right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by hennyo
Really? With less than half the texturing power of a 5870?Quote:
Originally Posted by NapalmV5
65% of the Polymorph engine of GTX480?
I'm sorry... if GTX470 beats a stock 5870 by more than 20% I'll be impressed.
We will see... I honestly doubt it.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaredpace
I condone the re-branding of products method, in business signed: Decami 2/2/2010Quote:
Originally Posted by Teemax
You and everyone else can complain all day about how much it "annoys" you, but the fact of the matter is, its an insanely profitable market strategy and used by more companies than you can possibly know, not just Nvidia, this is nothing new, at all.
whats it do? make money on the weakest links of the consumer, we fortunately are not those links, be happy that you aren't and move on. Nvidia rebrands, oh god, lets freak out every time they do, and every time every other company does. Not gonna change a thing. I figured people would be over this by now.
back to fermi talk....
Im ready for this. Bring it on. Hopefully its a good card with low heat output.
Pictures of the production Tesla card with 448 SPs show a single 8-pin which bodes well for power consumption IMO.
OT note - Car industry anyone? Extreme example - difference between a '68 and '69 Camaro. Anyone? :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Decami
Back on topic. So by the time this card comes out we'll have been waiting how long again?
This better be freakin good...
There is also a 6-pin on top.Quote:
Originally Posted by SKYMTL
I read somewhere that the GF100 TMUs are 4-way while RV870 is 2-way or something like that. I have no idea what that means though.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
Seems like beavers dont have a good memory lolQuote:
Originally Posted by SKYMTL
http://www.overclockers.com.ua/news/...sla-fake-1.jpg
can you see the 8 + 6 pin :yepp:
I think Intel is a good example of what happen when you don't do what nvidia is doing by jumping to the 4xx instead of the 3xx with fermi. Intel has probably the most confusing naming system in history. The core i7, i5,i3 and pentium processors need an extreme overhaul. There are too many processors that are named in the i7 range that shouldn't be there. Similarly the i7 980x is a hella confusing name, it should have been the i9 975 or something to show it has six cores.
I missed the days when processors frequency denoted speed.
I see way too many pc builds now a days that throw in a computer with a 1366 processor in a 1156 socket build on forums or add a triple channel memory kit with a dual channel memory system. These are real suggestion too, not imaginary anecdotal situations where people upgrade from 8800gt to 9800gt to 240gts, that could happen but don't.
totally agree :D great example right here :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by spursindonesia
yeh if i dont l*** ati arse.. im a total retard :)Quote:
Originally Posted by zerazax
go on have more kool aid.. take it easy :toast:
neither the gods nor nvidia shall beat the texturing power of a 5870!! :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
seriously just whats so bad about nvidia beating ati offerings ?? dont you guys want 6000 from ati ??
Don't know where you read that but no. They both have quad-TMUs and GF100's theoretical peak is lower than Cypress and waay lower than Hemlock. If it has any chance of competing in texture limited scenarios it would need much higher efficiency.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElSel10
Nnnnnnnnnoooooooooooooooo....!
Off topic train wreck in 3....2....1.... :D
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/i...eed_trolls.jpg
Am I taking the Fermi?
We'll see soon after release ;)
What? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by SKYMTL
There's a 6 and 8 pin.
the only shared piece of sheet metal between the '68 and '69 camaro is the roof.Quote:
Originally Posted by Otis11
I think he means just 1 8pin & 1 6 pin instead of dual 8 pins as the first rumors regarding the card's power req.Quote:
Originally Posted by kgk
:lol: :up: nice pic hahahQuote:
Originally Posted by Biker
ahhhh so if its a certain agp standard itll use higher signaling voltages and then that fries the bridge? makes sense... good to hear you figured it out before running into the problem! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Tim
btw, any news about GF104?
geforce 5xx? :lol:
seriously, how many sps do you think itll have? it should be as fast as a 285... and it will probably 128bit memory... so it will have about the same bw... 285 has 240sps... so maybe 256?
That looks like a really odd place to have the power connectors.
One on top and one at the back.
Just odd.
the current tesla cards have the same layout already...Quote:
Originally Posted by N19h7m4r3
has to do with how the cases they plug in are designed i think...
Ah alright.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
I've only ever dealt with Quadro, and not Tesla.
So it seems really weird.
heres a pic :)Quote:
Originally Posted by N19h7m4r3
http://www.geeks3d.com/public/jegx/2..._by_colfax.jpg
That looks amazing.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
It's a pity Tesla and Quadro cards cost so much.
Wouldn't mind trying a pair :p:
fermi: x*y=zQuote:
Originally Posted by trinibwoy
x = texture units
y = shader clock
z = texture fillrate
fermi:
higher pixel+texture fillrates
higher shader power
higher memory bandwidth/size
higher efficiency across the board
and more but according to ati brilliants here it barely matches 5870 lol
God, get rid of theiz ATI fanbois in teh Fermi thread! Their ruining my premature cum experienzzzzzz!
Sigh, I wish ChrisRay was still alive so there was actually somebody on the green side that I could truly respect. :(
Feimi tmu is running at half of the shader clock.Quote:
Originally Posted by NapalmV5
Huh? according to this table released by one of the french previews of fermi, your wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by NapalmV5
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/4469/img0027828.png
Doesn't the 5970 have a 2x256 bit memory interface, not a unified 512?Quote:
Originally Posted by Florinmocanu
This. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by BenchZowner
haha nice one :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Macadamia
Actually, please give us some concrete examples of tech companies doing the rebrand game?Quote:
Originally Posted by Decami
I believe NVIDIA is the undisputed leader of this game. Sometimes other companies do it too, but when they get caught, it's trouble.
BTW, just because someone else does it doesn't make it "right"; nor does it mean that we as customers have to accept such behavior.
So, when a company deceives people by putting a new sticker on it, it's the consumer's fault for falling for this scheme?Quote:
Originally Posted by highoctane
GREAT logics there! The absurdity is unbeatable...
yeah, ofc. But it's just they way they write the bandwidth. They wrote 896 for the GTX 295 so it's pretty clear that it's just the way they write it.Quote:
Originally Posted by kgk
Mtriangles/s figure for 5970 is wrong I think, should be double of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Florinmocanu
Sure. But doesn't matter, really, the bandwidth would be the same in both cases.Quote:
Originally Posted by kgk
maybe hes into anarchsim or believes in some sort of darvinism in the marketing world :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Teemax
it does make sense to some degree... and its happening already... all the "not so smart" people fall for the most pathetic marketing shemes and waste their money on things they dont need, while more considerate buyers are able to have a high standard of life with the same income as a result of managing their wealth better and buying good products they really need :D
you should be HOPPING mad at toyota/pontiac for the matrix/vibe!Quote:
Originally Posted by Teemax
wikiQuote:
As for product offerings, when they are marketed separately to several target markets this is called market segmentation. When part of a market segmentation strategy involves offering significantly different products in each market, this is called product differentiation. This market segmentation/product differentiation process can be thought of as a form of rebranding. What distinguishes it from other forms of rebranding is that the process does not entail the elimination of the original brand image. Dexxa computer mice are rebranded Logitech devices sold at a lower price by Logitech in the low-end market segment without undercutting their mid-range products. Rebranding in this manner allows one set of engineering and QA to be used to create multiple products with minimal modifications and additional expense.
there is a reason companies rebrand products, it's not the end of the world, i think it's time we put this topic to rest.
You can't add bus width like that. AFR mirrors the memory for GPU1 in GPU2 so the bandwidth is still 256-bit effective, iirc.Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
While linking to a picture showing only one 8-pin power connector and the article making no mention of the other power connector?Quote:
Originally Posted by BenchZowner
Mmmkay. :rolleyes:
That's what I always thought, but if adding them magically makes it 512-bit, who am I to disagree....:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by ElSel10
So what will be out first? Fermi or The GT300/Fermi Thread - Part 3 ?
:D
The Fermi Thread part 3. Yes, I really mean that. I sincerely hope down the line, you gents learn that future proofing and performance projects and promises are one thing : talk.Quote:
Originally Posted by LesGrossman
TALK = TALK.
I don't give a hoot in hell how many people break NDA, leak "insider information," have contacts to high level engineers, or toss out free video cards at a lan party, talk is talk.
Nvidia, get the molasses out your ass. Seems the older your company gets, the slower it gets, the dumber it gets; beat you with the inside of a horses' ass.
Do you buy a house without doing research, do you buy a car without doing research, do you blindly buy your groceries at the store without looking at exp dates, do you buy gas from the most expensive gas station, do you buy the first flat panel lcd screen you see without researching or reading the specs, do you buy whatever ram is on the shelf without knowing its specs, do you buy just any tire for your car without knowing what size or rating they are, do you still buy pet food known to be tainted and can kill your pet, do you spray your lawn with herbicide without reading the label and understanding what it is first, do you just up and go on vacation without doing research on the destination.............Quote:
Originally Posted by Teemax
Being informed/educated is a consumers responsibility, to think that that the consumer is not capable of making an informed decision by reading the box or ask questions of the product they intend to buy is ridiculous.
If people don't know what the flip they are buying maybe they shouldn't be buying it without getting their knowledge on first, a novel idea yes....
well we're month away from GeForce GTX470/480 thread ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by LesGrossman
So no GTX480 SLI benches this time from ChrisRay :(
That's quite narrow minded in my opinion. You would be surprised by how ignorant you or me or the average customer is when it comes to everyday shopping such as food. But anyway that's irrelevant. I expect somebody who buys specific hardware parts(eg gfx cards) to be fully aware of what he is buying, even though i doubt the average person considers renaming. If another person who doesn't really bother with computers (yes such people exist) decides to buy a tower or a whole computer system, they won't really know if the gfx card is an old one with just a new name. It is logical to assume that if the model has a different numbering system (eg from 200 to 300), then it is most probably a newer and I can think of lots of friends of mine who would fall into that trap. Yes it is ultimately their mistake but you have to be aware of something in order to look for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by highoctane
Considering that the fastest single GPU card at the moment (5870) only needs 2x 6-pin and that most dual-gpu cards (4870x2, 295, 5970) require 1 8-pin and 1 6-pin. And considering that Tesla is a cut down chip with lower clocks. No, I don't think it necessarily bodes well for power consumption.Quote:
Originally Posted by BenchZowner
Note that simply having 1 6-pin and 1 8-pin doesn't necessarily mean high power consumption either. And even if it does have high power consumption, I don't see why most of us here would care. As long as it delivers a reasonable perf/W to go along with it's power draw, I don't care if it has 4x 8-pins.
I wouldn't call it narrow minded, we all have freedom to choose how we spend our money and to make sure we spend it as wisely as we can.Quote:
Originally Posted by h0bbes
Generally in life there is nobody holding your hand and walking you through a purchase of any sort. It is up to the individual consumer to take some initiative and become familiar with what they are spending their money on so they are not just blindly throwing money away without knowing what they are actually buying or if they even need it.
The way to be aware of something is to at the very least do some very basic research before making a purchase and become an informed consumer regardless of what it is, its simply good practice to know what the heck you are buying, why you need it or what it will do.
Thats not to say I haven't made my share of spur of the moment purchases that where bad which is why I try to take a little more time before making certain purchases now.
I'm not going to try and justify any sort of relabeling but I do believe it is ultimately up to the consumer to make responsible decisions regardless.
Anyways its waaaaaay off topic, we need more fermi information already!!!!
From your description, I'd have to imagine that most of your days are spent "doing research" to avoid being a "stupid consumer" then.Quote:
Originally Posted by highoctane
I guess I belong to the "stupid consumer" category actually. I buy food without doing much research, I go for the brands I trust. I buy gas from a station close-by (it's not worth it to go across town for the cheapest station). I buy clothes because they look nice without doing exhaustive research of their material or production method:shocked:. I have brands that I trust from experience. And buy paying more for these brands, I save on piece of mind.
So, besides hardware, how do you spend your day "researching" the things that you buy? Must be a full time job I suppose!
OK, quick (since you're such an expert); please list the renames of NVIDIA cards that you know of, oh-mister-knowledgable?Quote:
Originally Posted by highoctane
No looking up. And I hope to have a reply in 5 mins since you're here ;)
BTW, not sure if anyone posted this, but here's a little update from Fudzilla:
http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/17524/1/
- Name-change was last-minute (rename game hit unreleased product too ;))
- No partner has a card yet(??!, is a March launch even possible?)
- CeBIT is the first showing of retail GTX 480/470
You can label yourself how you see fit, if thats how you feel is not for me to decide.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teemax
You're making a bunch of irrational assumptions on what I actually wrote.
If you actually go back and spend a little more time reading what I wrote and cool your top a little what I wrote about food it was in regards to exp dates such as say milk and breads, as far as reading the package to make sure it isn't expired or expiring before you can have a chance to consume it not what its made of or how its processed.
Gas stations are everywhere and odds are you will hit many on your journey to your destination, you're free to spend your money at whichever you want but thats no excuse for being wasteful if there is a cheaper gas station on the way than the first one you come to on the corner.
Do you spend your days ranting about how brainless you seem to feel the rest of civilization may be and how everybody needs to have a special friend looking over their shoulder to help them make a wise decision in the big bad evil world???
You surely can make your own decisions based on what you know why don't you give the rest of the world a little credit that they can be as bright as you and get through the smoke and mirrors of life just the same.
I'm not your do boy to answer your questions for things you can google yourself.
As the saying goes, give a man a fish he'll eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he'll eat for a lifetime.
Go get fishing and answer your own questions....
i sense a part 3 of this thread coming sooner than expected...
riiighhht, just cause im skeptical about Nvidia mean's i'm an ATI guyQuote:
Originally Posted by NapalmV5
who's drinking who's kool aid right now? :rofl:
No, actually I spend my day researching stuff before I buy so I don't get labelled "stupid", or "brainless" by you, oh-knowledgable-master! :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by highoctane
I'm really really sorry it's my fault to point out a shady business method. I'm so sorry to voice my objection to a scheme that I think will hurts NVIDIA's name in the long run. And I'm especially sorry to dare to disagree with a mighty company!
I'll shut up now and do more research now. In fact, I need to ask for a day off tomorrow to do just that :clap:
/sarcasm
And sometime in the near future... in 2055 some people will grow up a bit...
Fail... you need to go read the whitepapers again, unless you like making stuff up.Quote:
Originally Posted by NapalmV5
The only thing you are correct on is pixel fillrate, memory bandwidth and bus size.
Yep, should be double the 725, aka 1450.Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
Yes, but each GPU has access to all the 256bit bus. It isn't like each GPU has to split a 128bit bus.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElSel10