FAQ in spanish about fans Nidec Servo Gentle Typhoon, very interesting.
http://www.pcsilencioso.com/es/artic...4-hajime-nidec
Used the Google translator to read it :up:
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FAQ in spanish about fans Nidec Servo Gentle Typhoon, very interesting.
http://www.pcsilencioso.com/es/artic...4-hajime-nidec
Used the Google translator to read it :up:
http://translate.google.es/translate...n&hl=&ie=UTF-8
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Originally Posted by jalyst
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Well after all that my H20-220 Edge kit arrived today & you know what...Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst
The rad. already has fans mounted!!!! *face-palm* LOL :D
I don't know how good they are....
But I'm sure they'll be fine until the AP-15's become more readily available.
Thanks again everyone for your help!
@jalyst: If you are still interested on the AP-15 there it is, http://www.thekoolroom.com/index.php...product_id=461
Alas they only have one left*, will just make do with the ones that came with my kit.
When they're commonplace in Australia again, i'll buy, thanks.
*confirmed with their sales few days ago
i thought they went out of stock weeks ago?Quote:
Originally Posted by Metroid
They should have incorporated into the website something to see how many units they have in stock. Tedious :shakes:.
Probably somebody returned that one and now they are trying to sell it to another customer.Quote:
i thought they went out of stock weeks ago?
nope confirmed for me few days ago, they still had one.Quote:
Originally Posted by hillywav
got them to double-check...
haha:ROTF: yeah i agree.. got my rads and gt1850 at thereQuote:
Originally Posted by Metroid
his site is pretty good despite stock check problem :rolleyes:
Yeah, i have these fans, and very glad to their performance and noise level
Finally in oz, think they were a few wks ago, but i only got a reminder ph call from my local retailer today that some ap-15's are ready for me to pick-up.
They were annoyed because apparently they've had them for "many weeks", I told them that's not my problem, you were going to let me know!
I have 6 of these but have recently noticed a crackling from one after only 1 month of use, so not sure of long term reliability at the moment. Having said this they certainly are quiet for the amount of air they push...
Curious are GT 1450RPM good for case fans? Or should I step down further to 1150 37CFM?
IE are they silent at that rpm while providing good air Flow?
I am not going to regulate the volts on these fans.
Depends on where you want to put them. I use AP-14's on bottom intake, mid-case (pulls from an area in the front where no fan can go; pushes air to the mb chipset and past the vidcard) and heatsink. I use AP-12's (800 rpm) for front intake on both my machine and my daughter's machine. The AP-13 pushes more air, but you can hear it a little bit if it's in the front of the case. But then, my case sits on the desk in front of me and my right ear is 20 inches (50cm) from the face of the front fan. If your case is on the floor you could easily tolerate an AP-14.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kurz
I thought the slipstreams were better suited as case fans, and the GT better as rad/hs fans? (due to static pressure differences etc)
Slip Streams are better used as case fans than as heatsink fans. But the GT is a better all-around fan. It's just more expensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst
^ Oh I see, I thought the slipstream actually had better characteristics as a case fan.
Or would you say it is about the same as a GT at 1000rpm or less?
If the GT is def. better, then I'll prolly get a bunch of AP-14's to be used as case fans.
That's if I'm not happy with the fans (if any) that come with my case.
Not the same. My daughter and I compared the 800 rpm Slip Stream with the 800 rpm GT. She chose the GT, and I agreed with her.Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst
GT's are generally better that other 25mm fans. You may need to go with slightly higher rpm's though. You can't trust cfm data from companies that sell to consumers, but companies that sell to industrial customers have to be honest with their specs: if they're off, the industrial company knows - it can measure the fan's characteristics.
Check out this thread to see where I compared a bunch of fans. I couldn't measure cfm directly, but you can get an idea of how fans compare.
I have 5 AP-15s and am looking to get more. I simply love them. Before them I had 8 Scythe S-FLex G fans, those things are LOUD! They move the air but they are just loud. And they are horrible as intake fans unless you space them at least a cm from the grate, otherwise they get even louder!
I cannot make the GTs louder no matter how hard I try haha. And I had them push/pull on a high fpi rad
Thanks Ehume,Quote:
Originally Posted by ehume
You answered this for me already, but thanks for doing so again!
*update*
This is the post where someone explained why slipstreams are better as case fans.
http://www.silentpcreview.com/forums...522659#p522659
I just stumbled across it, it was actually miahallen, who knows his stuff.
I agree with miahallen except in his conclusion. At bottom, you must hear the fans and feel their outputs on your face to understand the true differences. I like those Slip Streams and prefer them at their cost range, but Gentle Typhoons are just better.Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst
How would an SFLEX E 1200 RPM compare to one of the GT AP-15's? Also...where in the US can I get one of these? :D
Why bother? Good fans can be bought. GT AP15.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jodiuh
Are you wanting to get the SFlex or the GT? You'll need to search around for the GTs, but should be able to find the SFlex's at a number of places - even have them at Amazon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jodiuh
Have you checked out the thread by Martin on 120mm fan testing (check the info/guide sticky at the top of the first page)?
The GT15 is a slightly more powerful fan than the SFLEX-E. It will move more air through a radiator at max settings - and will be somewhat quieter. The GT13 or 14 are closer comparisons for the SFLEX-E fan.
I have both of those fans, the S Flex are a good balance between noise and airflow but the GT AP15 wins easily. It has a far better static pressure.
can't find the ap-15's anywhere right now, seems like it's been weeks since they were in stock, I needed radiator fans so I went for the ap-14's
Skinnee's estimated delta T between 1400 and 1800 rpm for my radiator is less than a degree, I think I'll be okay ;)
I should have been more clear. I'm used to the SFLEX E as I've owned them for years. I'm looking for comparisons relating to pressure, noise, and "cool/bling" factor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conumdrum
Good to hear. More air, lower noise...non, non!Quote:
Originally Posted by shazza
In what way are the 13 and 14 GTs a closer comparison to the SFLEX E? Air? Pressure? I hope not noise.
With the same or lower noise floor?Quote:
Originally Posted by scook9
I would need to do a side by side comparison to be sure on noise. I remember the SFlex E fans being acceptable to me where the G speed ones were VERY loud as intakes but ok as exhausts.
I did a study. It included S-Flexes -E's, -F's and -G's. It included GT's AP-13, AP-14's and AP-15's. Go and look, but I'll just say that since then I have bought more GT's. I use them for case fans. I use them for heatsinks. I use two AP-14's on my D14, for example.
Do check in at Koolertek now and then. They are negotiating to get PWM-controlled 2150rpm GT's. Those will allow us to have GT's controlled by our PWM-only motherboards.
Where did you come across this data?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aphex_Tom_9
I wouldn't mine checking if he looked at these fans on my MCR_Drive rev.2
If the Delta_T is the same or less for my rad, then I'm not going to waste any-more time waiting around for AP-15's.
Though they are schedule to be with a few Aussie retailers within the week, so it's not that long to wait I guess.
Are you for real? This would be a solution for my GT rad fan fantasy.:D Nice if they are PWM, but I'd just like to have a fan that can hit 2000 now and again.Quote:
Originally Posted by ehume
On Nidec's spec sheet they rate the non pwm 2150rpm down to 5v, the AP-15 is rated to 7. It should undervolt even better.
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by the finisher
I'd be happy with plain old 2150's, the new 3K's are gonna be overkill for any of my needs but I'll give them a try.
I wish they'd get hold of a few Nidec's PWM 5400RPM's too.Quote:
Originally Posted by the finisher
But 2150 is prolly more of a sweet-spot... :D
Yeah but they're Scythe's 5400 Nidecs, which means they aren't PWM.Quote:
Originally Posted by ehume
Unlike those 2150's you're talking about.....
Scythe copped-out on all of us & went the cheaper non-PWM route :(
Yup. I'd love to have three of the 5400rpm fans on my d14, controlled by pwm, spinning up only when they have to . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst
Ah, pipe dreams.
http://skinneelabs.com/triplesv2.html?page=4Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst
check the graphs at the bottom.
I understand Spanish, and I must say I like that review. The reviewer sounds pretty honest and crystal clear about the performance of the Gentle Typhoon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Altaram
I bought four from Linke Computer. I really hope I don't get scammed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aphex_Tom_9
I want to buy two Noiseblocker MF12-P after reading the russian review. I shouldn't be spending money on this, but I really want to start testing fans, and find out by myself really what's good or not to me. In fact, I'm going to buy them, and also two Nexus Real Silent. I'm going to try them all as case and also as heatsink fans.
I'm going to end up money empty if the PowerColor PCS+ 6970 doesn't get released soon...
I bought my NH-D14 from Linke. It shipped from a warehouse in Vancouver, came to me in the US. If they had something I wanted at a price I liked I would buy from them again.
I mainly liked it because of the international shipping fee (I live in Colombia). Almost as the free fee from DealExtremeQuote:
Originally Posted by ehume
Don't say that, it will happen, one day!!! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ehume
I haven't got patience so I'll order 1x 5400 pwm from Japan soon.
Just to play with it, if I'm happy I'll order 2x more.
My MB may not be able to lower it to 1000RPM... :(
So I may have to get a discrete controller before I can get much use from it.
Thanks buddy,Quote:
Originally Posted by Aphex_Tom_9
Not an issue now as I have finally found a freaking retailer that has AP-15's in-stock!
I really hope I don't too, as I just placed an order w/them for 4x AP-15's & 1x AP-14 :DQuote:
Originally Posted by KaOSoFt
I've ordered from them before, but their stock indicator was wrong, so they refunded me.
I'll be pissed if that happens again! :mad:
Is there any advantage to using a P+P config. on a 240mm rad w/4x AP-15's?
And is it better that I mount them with shrouds?
If there's no dramatic improvement over 2x AP-15's...
Then I'll probably use the other two AP-15's as case fans (under-volt slightly).
I'll probably end-up buying a few more AP-14's/15's later, but that'll do for now.
I haven't narrowed-down the case yet, it might have some decent stock fans.
You're not gonna leave us hangin, are you? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst
Ah thanks.
I've never water cooled. 2C less seems silly for P+P. At least that's what I've seen w/ 1200~1500 RPM fans.
Hopefully someone who knows what they're doing will come along to help you out. ;)
frozencpu has the high speed GT's in stock, along with some ap-14's
they had 30 or so ap-15's last night, I was going to swing by at lunch and grab a few, but someone beat me to it
Odd...
The msg I got from them a few days ago was only that the ap-15 were "oderable", not "in stock":
We are alerting you that the following product is now orderable at FrozenCPU.com.
This means that you can place your order now online and stock will be available soon.
And it said this on their site when I went to check out with some earlier today:
ATTENTION!! You have ordered some items that are not available for immediate shipment today.
These items are shown below and will be available soon (within 1-18 business days).
push/pull can definitely drop your temps 1-2c, I've done my own testing way back at a few different fan speeds with high speed panaflo's and consistantly saw between 1-2c improvements with both fans going
someone posted a detailed fan comparison for air cooling, and showed AP-14's in push/pull generating the same temps as a single AP-15, but at a 2-3 db lower noise level, I wouldn't think the differences in flow restriction between a rad or a high end heatsink would be drastically different, so push/pull could also be a good way of dropping your noise levels if your looking for silence
they showed in stock yesterday, and are back to orderable today, wouldn't surprise me if they sold out that quick given how hard they are to find these daysQuote:
Originally Posted by jalyst
I knew I should have just gone over there last night