ASUS Maximus II Formula - new P45 king?

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11-28-2009, 07:28 AM
Starage

Hello

I have changed out my board for a foxconn black ops.
It now sits in its box and I have no use for it.
It is a great board, I just could not pass up the good deal from newegg for the x48.

If I was to sell this asus board, what would I get for it?
Where would be a good place to sell it?
I also have a Q6700 to sell to.

Thanks
11-29-2009, 12:17 PM
vampire2k5

maximus 2 formula and cpu pll issue

Dear all!!!

i've got a problem with this mainboad.. i have a q9650 and i can set all the cpu pll value without any problem. There is a little overvolt but it's ok. When i try the same think with a e8600 cpu q22a435 it seems to have cpu pll locked @ 2.106. every value i set i get 2.106 in bios monitor? any idea?

thanks

vamp
11-29-2009, 01:00 PM
De5tr0yer

Quote:

Originally Posted by vampire2k5

Dear all!!!

i've got a problem with this mainboad.. i have a q9650 and i can set all the cpu pll value without any problem. There is a little overvolt but it's ok. When i try the same think with a e8600 cpu q22a435 it seems to have cpu pll locked @ 2.106. every value i set i get 2.106 in bios monitor? any idea?

thanks

vamp

You have pll voltage set at 2.1V? And CPU is still working? :eek:

Or is it just me who learned that the pll V must stay as low as possible?
11-29-2009, 02:32 PM
vampire2k5

Quote:

Originally Posted by De5tr0yer

You have pll voltage set at 2.1V? And CPU is still working? :eek:

Or is it just me who learned that the pll V must stay as low as possible?

i set it at 1.51v and now from bios i read 2.2v cpu is alive for now and under oc works pretty well with very low temp. I hope in a sensor problem of the board. the strange thing is that with my q9650 i have no problem with cpu pll.
11-29-2009, 02:37 PM
De5tr0yer

Quote:

Originally Posted by vampire2k5

i set it at 1.51v and now from bios i read 2.2v cpu is alive for now and under oc works pretty well with very low temp. I hope in a sensor problem of the board. the strange thing is that with my q9650 i have no problem with cpu pll.

Then it is not cpu PLL Voltage, check the names again.

But if your cpu works, then surely it isn't 2.2V ;)
11-29-2009, 02:47 PM
vampire2k5

Quote:

Originally Posted by De5tr0yer

Then it is not cpu PLL Voltage, check the names again.

But if your cpu works, then surely it isn't 2.2V ;)

i`m sure about it.. it`s cpu pll voltage .. with my q9650 if i set it @ 1.51 volt i have a little overvolt but it`s ok. with the e8600 it`s going crazy and every voltage i set it always show me 2.106 or 2.2v ...
I`m writing both to intel and asus support...

Vamp
11-30-2009, 04:52 AM
eSp!s0

You could check it again with a tool like Everest or something to see if it displays another value.
If you are on an old bios version, you could try a update.
11-30-2009, 05:03 AM
In-Fluence

Have you tried removing the CPU, powering up without one in, then putting your dualie in again? This clears the CMOS, and I assume might help it prep for another cpu... I had a similar problem recently where after swapping my GFX card from the 8x PCIe slot to the 16x one, my CPU kept hitting 100°C and shutting off, after checking voltages all were actually normal, even after loading a pre-saved profile, but CPU was deinitely reaching that temp judging by how quickly the liquid heated up. Doing the aforementioned solved it though. It didn't half scre me though, but no real damage done I think...
11-30-2009, 05:26 AM
vampire2k5

Quote:

Originally Posted by In-Fluence

Have you tried removing the CPU, powering up without one in, then putting your dualie in again? This clears the CMOS, and I assume might help it prep for another cpu... I had a similar problem recently where after swapping my GFX card from the 8x PCIe slot to the 16x one, my CPU kept hitting 100°C and shutting off, after checking voltages all were actually normal, even after loading a pre-saved profile, but CPU was deinitely reaching that temp judging by how quickly the liquid heated up. Doing the aforementioned solved it though. It didn't half scre me though, but no real damage done I think...

when i moved from q9650 to e8600 it told me that a new cpu was in use. I also tried ALL the bios from 13** to 2202 but nothing happens. Now i will try this cpu with a rampage formula..

tnx

Vamp
12-01-2009, 04:22 AM
eSp!s0

CMOS Clear!?
12-01-2009, 05:05 AM
De5tr0yer

Quote:

Originally Posted by vampire2k5

when i moved from q9650 to e8600 it told me that a new cpu was in use. I also tried ALL the bios from 13** to 2202 but nothing happens. Now i will try this cpu with a rampage formula..

tnx

Vamp

How did you update bios? If you've done it from win, try from dos.

And ofc, clear cmos before upgrading bios ;)
12-03-2009, 07:21 PM
kup

Got a bit of an odd problem here guys...

I've got a Q6600 LinX stable @ 3.8GHz w/ 1.45v on this board but I cannot get 3.9GHz for love nor money! 1.5v fails, 1.55v fails. 1.6v fails! But it doesn't just lock or crash, anything over 1.488 volts seems to just reboot the system as soon as it gets 100% load.

It's a new M2F with a 1.25v VID Q6600 and a new Corsair 850HX PSU so I know it's not the power requirements that are failing it...

Has anyone got any ideas as to why it would just power down from a certain voltage onward? Are there any jumpers I need to move to allow a certain voltage limited to be lifted (I couldn't see anything documented)?
12-04-2009, 12:04 AM
In-Fluence

I had the same issue with my P5B, and it only slightly improved with this board, but did enable me to boot at 4GHz with a Q6600. The only thing I feel might be worth checking is the 'TM enable' feature under CPU settings - make sure it's disabled if you havent already as this can cause the PC to shut down / reboot if temps hit TJmax (normally 71°C on these chips). Failing that, CPU/NB skews might be worth a try - post your settings, there might be something we're missing..
12-04-2009, 04:03 AM
kup

Quote:

Originally Posted by In-Fluence

I had the same issue with my P5B, and it only slightly improved with this board, but did enable me to boot at 4GHz with a Q6600. The only thing I feel might be worth checking is the 'TM enable' feature under CPU settings - make sure it's disabled if you havent already as this can cause the PC to shut down / reboot if temps hit TJmax (normally 71°C on these chips). Failing that, CPU/NB skews might be worth a try - post your settings, there might be something we're missing..

CPU TM disable hasn't changed it. :( I'm quickly trying my older Thermaltake Toughpower 850w to see if it's the PSU.

It is literally anything above 1.45v does it. I might try with lower clocks to see if I can isolate it as a voltage problem.

EDIT: Toughpower exhibits the same behaviour. Back to drawing board...

Gunna try 3.6GHz with 1.5v...see if it'll push it over the edge like that...
12-04-2009, 04:50 AM
kup

Ok, it seems to be certain FSB/vCore combo.

9x400 1.35v vCore = stable.
9x400 1.5v vCore = stable.
9x425 1.45v vCore = stable.
9x425 1.5v vCore = stable.
9x435 1.5v vCore = shutdown.

8x450 1.35v vCore = stable.
8x450 1.5v vCore = shutdown.
8x475 1.45v vCore = stable.
8x475 1.5v vCore = shutdown.

My basic voltages for 520MHz FSB Prime stable with 8GB ram are:

vPLL = 1.5v
vFSBT = 1.4v
vDIMM = 2.3v (within ram specs so it's safe)
vNB = 1.4v
vSB 1.5v = 1.5v
vSB 1.1v = 1.1v

I have tried bumping all the voltages up to the first yellow value (I forget the values for each one) and keeping the vCore @ 1.5v and it still reboots so it doesn't seem to be a vPLL/vFSBT/vNB voltage problem.

Would loosening the Transaction Booster level to 11 or 12 make a difference?
12-04-2009, 06:18 AM
In-Fluence

I'd be stunned if you were completely stable at 520MHz FSB, I assume that's a typo?

From my experience, I think it's quite a common trend for Q6600's and Asus boards to shut down with high vcore. My P5B did it, and P5Q, and MIIF, although I got furthest with the latter. Might be the same for other brands but couldn't say for myself.
12-04-2009, 07:08 AM
kup

Quote:

Originally Posted by In-Fluence

I'd be stunned if you were completely stable at 520MHz FSB, I assume that's a typo?

From my experience, I think it's quite a common trend for Q6600's and Asus boards to shut down with high vcore. My P5B did it, and P5Q, and MIIF, although I got furthest with the latter. Might be the same for other brands but couldn't say for myself.

Completely stable @ 520MHz. :D 500MHz can Prime Blend indefinitely and I've had about 2-3 hours out of 520MHz before I got bored... :p:

I've never had an Asus board do it before which is what is bugging me. :(
12-04-2009, 08:35 AM
humeyboy

Please post your 500FSB settings. :)

Also is your mobo a Rev A2 or A3 NB ?
12-04-2009, 08:43 AM
kup

Quote:

Originally Posted by humeyboy

Please post your 500FSB settings. :)

Also is your mobo a Rev A2 or A3 NB ?

vPLL = 1.5v
vFSBT = 1.4v
vDIMM = 2.3v (within ram specs so it's safe)
vNB = 1.4v
vSB 1.5v = 1.5v
vSB 1.1v = 1.1v

Transaction Booster @ 10
DRAM Static Disabled
Clock Twister @ Strong.

It's an A3 Northbridge. This Primed for an entire night. I fought with it for ages and eventually went back to basics, lowest volts, overclock, stable, overclock more, fail, more volts, stable, overclock more... I got to 485MHz with 1.3v vNB and vFSBT but from 485 to 520MHz needed 1.4v for both.
12-04-2009, 02:22 PM
humeyboy

OK 1st thanks for info but its not really any good to anyone.

Need to know if its 1:1 and GTL Values etc.

I gather by your Memory Voltage its not 1:1 (which is harder on NB) unless that's PC6400 your overclocking.

I cannot go for non 1:1 for 5000FSB as my Memory will not do 1200mhz on this Mobo (supposedly it will on other Mobos as its the older Rev and clocks well).

All the Memory settings that can be enabled or disabled should not matter if 1:1 if its at least PC8500 as at 1000mhz it will be underclocked.

Also due to me currently doing some work on PC I have only 4GB installed so it again should be easier even on a Rev A2 NB.

I tried your above settings be it a different NB and CPU but it would have been a good starting point IMO.

I cannot even get to Windows, chucks it after Bios posts.

I have Primed at 500FSB before but it was not for long and no settings were stable for any 2 reboots and even tried it with only 1 Memory Module so 2GB and even a 1GB PC6400 Module I know does 1000MHZ in other Mobos and it still isn't stable.
12-04-2009, 03:22 PM
In-Fluence

Like Humeyboy said, detailed o/c settings would be ideal. There's a template available if you go into the intel forums, then click on the paperclip by this thread's name :)
Would like to see some screenshots too, as I'm sure most people on this thread would as I think this far over 500FSB stable is unheard of on this board. Could you double check CPU-Z and check the number of cores?
I could get 500fsb stable but only with 2 cores enabled, the other two disappeared somewhere beyond 488 and there was a gaping fsb hole until ~500. It didn't play ball with that chip at all for me. Q9650 is lots better in this board now, but still not that impressive, which is why I'm gonna give a UD3P a whirl like so many others.
12-04-2009, 03:44 PM
kup

Quote:

Originally Posted by humeyboy

OK 1st thanks for info but its not really any good to anyone.

Need to know if its 1:1 and GTL Values etc.

I gather by your Memory Voltage its not 1:1 (which is harder on NB) unless that's PC6400 your overclocking.

I cannot go for non 1:1 for 5000FSB as my Memory will not do 1200mhz on this Mobo (supposedly it will on other Mobos as its the older Rev and clocks well).

All the Memory settings that can be enabled or disabled should not matter if 1:1 if its at least PC8500 as at 1000mhz it will be underclocked.

Also due to me currently doing some work on PC I have only 4GB installed so it again should be easier even on a Rev A2 NB.

I tried your above settings be it a different NB and CPU but it would have been a good starting point IMO.

I cannot even get to Windows, chucks it after Bios posts.

I have Primed at 500FSB before but it was not for long and no settings were stable for any 2 reboots and even tried it with only 1 Memory Module so 2GB and even a 1GB PC6400 Module I know does 1000MHZ in other Mobos and it still isn't stable.

Sorry, I was just posting the settings I had changed to achieve the clocks.

GTL settings were AUTO, ram was 400 strap, performance level 10, clock twister @ strong, dram static disabled and ram @ 1:1 so @ 1000MHz.

Quote:

Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 6
FSB Frequency : 500 / 510
CPU Clock Skew : Normal
North Bridge Clock Skew : Normal
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 400
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1000 / 1020 (510MHz)
Dram Clock Skew CH1 A1 : Auto
DRAM Clock Skew CH1 A2 : Auto
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B1 : Auto
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B2 : Auto

DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : auto
Row Refresh Cycle Time : auto
Write Recovery Time : auto
Read to Precharge Time : auto

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : Auto
Write to Read Delay (S) : Auto
Write to Read Delay (D) : Auto
Read to Read Delay (S) : Auto
Read to Read Delay (D) : Auto
Write to Write Delay (S) : Auto
Write to Write Delay (D) : Auto

Write to PRE Delay : Auto
Read to PRE Delay : Auto
PRE to PRE Delay : Auto
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : Auto
ALL PRE to REF Delay : Auto

DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
Dram Read Training : Disabled
MEM OC Charger : auto
Ai Clock Twister : strong
Transaction Booster : manual
perf level 10
pull in all disabled

PCIE Frequency : 100

CPU Voltage : 1.25
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.5
FSBT : 1.4
DRAM Voltage : 2.3
North Bridge Voltage : 1.4 / 1.5 (510MHz)
South Bridge Voltage 1.5 : 1.5
South Bridge Voltage 1.1 : 1.1

CPU GTL Reference 0 : AUTO
CPU GTL Reference 1 : AUTO
CPU GTL Reference 2 : AUTO
CPU GTL Reference 3 : AUTO
North Bridge GTL Reference : AUTO
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
North Bridge DDR Reference : AUTO

Load Line Calabration : Enabled
CPU Sread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

All 4 cores. I don't have my 520 settings to hand but these are my Prime blend 12hours stable for 500/510MHz.

I don't have any screenies atm but I can get a couple of quick LinX runs tomorrow if people want? I don't see why people would disbelieve what I've said, I thought I'd been around long enough and put enough time and effort into the Rampage Formula thread to not need to provide proof for my clocks. :(
12-04-2009, 04:49 PM
kup

Got 520MHz w/ 8GB Priming for you guys now.
12-04-2009, 06:19 PM
radaja

Quote:

Originally Posted by kup

Sorry, I was just posting the settings I had changed to achieve the clocks.

GTL settings were AUTO, ram was 400 strap, performance level 10, clock twister @ strong, dram static disabled and ram @ 1:1 so @ 1000MHz.

All 4 cores. I don't have my 520 settings to hand but these are my Prime blend 12hours stable for 500/510MHz.

I don't have any screenies atm but I can get a couple of quick LinX runs tomorrow if people want? I don't see why people would disbelieve what I've said, I thought I'd been around long enough and put enough time and effort into the Rampage Formula thread to not need to provide proof for my clocks. :(

dont take offense,were not doubting your skills but the MIIF itself.
12-04-2009, 06:27 PM
kup

Quote:

Originally Posted by radaja

dont take offense,were not doubting your skills but the MIIF itself.

That's cool, I know what ya mean, sometimes very out of line results crop up and they need to be verified. :up:

I'm about 2hours into a 520MHz Prime Blend session. It's got a touch more voltage than for 510MHz but it's stable and Priming. I'll either post pics in about 10 hours on my lunch break or tomorrow evening after work. :cool:

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