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I have had reasonable success with air but having done a fair amount of reading - I am thinking of moving to water. The oc'd i7's generate so much heat! My 965 is 4.1 prime stable 10+hrs on air but at a rediculas max temp of 97C, my config is in my signature below. I plan to raise the qpi v to see if I can run at a lower cpu v (1.55v used for 4.1) but I imagine my temps will stay pretty high. So, my question - if money is no object (but low noise is still desirable) - what is the best extreme cooling solution for hot i7s? Plan to use the machine 8-12 hours per day for two years then cpu can die. :D
For extreme cooling it would be a single stage but dont expect it to be low noise, maybe it can be modded to run quiter but im not that uptodate about phase change cooling. :p:
Water would be a possibility with a "monster rad" and 9 low rpm fans.
Its noticable for sure, especial in TF2. In crysis its less noticable. In Crysis it costs me ~2fps running boinc and crysis together but in TF2 its a lot more. The bad thing is that it considerably hurts the min fps, without boinc TF2 on a 32player server dont hits the 40s, with Boinc it dips down into the 20s :|...
Thought i dont run WCG exclusive. I also run SETI with optimized clients and they make have use of the SSE untis.
Hornet331 - wow that's a radiator! I wonder if i can find that here in the states. What other components would be the best of the best: block, pump, ...
just get a simple 2x120 rad with a gtz, d5 and some quiet fans :)
A nice single stage would be ideal. Ask someone like Dimas what can be done.
There's no need for a massive rad for just the cpu, it won't run much if any cooler than one half its size. A quad or triple rad like a PA120.3 would be more than enough. A GTZ block, I have the EK Supreme, works very well. Pumps, a DDC3.2 or a D5.
It's amazing how hot they get compared to the last gen. That chip must be pushing 250w to worry a 120.2. A PA120.3 should be good for 425-450w with moderate fans. Quad's a safer bet. Mines on 2xPA120.3 the actual loop temp is no higher than a QX9650 same voltage/speed. Even with the EK the core temps aren't brilliant though, 15C hotter core than the QX with the same setup.
For ref:
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/7...flowratfl9.jpghttp://img110.imageshack.us/img110/2...flowratrr8.jpg
It's odd. My ambient is around 22C, my loop is lean with no 90's or 45's, I just flushed my rad, cleaned everything meticulously, and my 4.2ghz HT on load using blend is cresting at +80C. You think it could be the Zerotherm TIM that I used? It worked great on my E8600 @ 4.9ghz 1.56v but now I'm skeptical. It seems the only thing that I can pinpoint as the weak link.
For water with i7 at 4.2+, HT on and with cpu v at 1.5 to 1.55v what should be an expected steady state cpu temp at full load?
On air at 4.1 - I am at 97C!
GTZ has a really nice mount, can't see it being that with a backplate. I mounted mine about 4 times (turned it 90, see if made any difference), the EK is kinda bowed. Had fairly good contact, doesn't go anywhere near the edges though. I wonder if these blocks are good enough. I'm guessing you've checked contact? Never used that TIM, tend to use MX2.
Thats a lot of volts even for water. Temps would be high.
My set up is in the basement of an air conditioned house - I am thinking of getting the swiftech 220 apex single loop kit and find a good 4x radiator to go with, any thoughts?
It's volts that determine heat though, not clock right?
I'd say let's compare temps but have you done any testing with HT off yet, because i haven't done any with HT on (won't be using it)
Right now with [200x21] vcore 1.406v set in bios, 1.376v reported with droop during blend, 1.42v VTT and 1.78v vdimm i'm @ 52-55c on cores (all else stock). I listed vdimm and VTT because they no doubt contribute to cpu temp since they're all located on the cpu now.
With same settings but bios set vcore 1.49v, reported with droop @ 1.456v, i top out at 59/60c during blend, again HT off. Will do some testing with HT eventually to see how much temps rise out of curiosity.
my new one can handle higher uncore freq. :)
max. with my D9JNL, but i think it is the uncore limit :D
http://www.abload.de/img/ddr3-22203k1c.png
http://www.abload.de/img/memory-2304iq8u.png
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=474139
Xello - yes HT off is much lower temps and high clocks (for me anyway) - see link in my sig.
I think I can do better with water but Reverend's temps (80+C) are troublesome.
Dude show some everest :D:up::yepp:
Same here with gaming, but one thing is for sure no game is going to benefit from an extra 4 cores yet! In fact i read somewhere that HT enabled was hampering performance in some games, no sure if true.
You get 80c+ temps with those volts? That's almost unbelievable, even with HT on that's 30c+ higher than me at those volts..... Someone told me HT will add 10-15c only?
Bench2die what do you have for video cards?
Because that average seems impossible.
I know it well enough. I mean generally, they don't usually match what you can get separately or it may not be entirely suitable. And if he doesn't know what he's buying there's plenty of stock around with the old Apogee. Personally I'd look at a PA120.3 (or Feser), DDC Ultra (Petras Top) with an impingement block like the EK Supreme. I tried a high flow D-Tek, gain a few degrees with the EK. Triple rad for a little more headroom with slower fans and the DDC 3.20 to match the more restrictive blocks, but a D5/MCP655 is fine.
I think the only thing that holds the H20-220 back is the rad for i7's but then again not allot of blokes out there are nailing 4.2ghz with HT on.
I'll do some 4ghz, HT off tests when I get home and see what the deal is. Also, I'm changing this TIM. I have a feeling it's not up to the challenge.
I'm curious, what kinda voltages do you some of require to run at stock speeds?
im a little disappointed, voltage jumps to 1.248 under p95 at stock speeds for me.
i see people going 4.0GHz at like 1.1X it makes me jealous :(
You mean if we wanted to see how little juice it would be possible to use and still have it run at 2.66ghz? Not sure. Some guy here was trying to OC just on stock voltages though, not sure how that went.
I'd like to know what the most common voltages for CPU and QPI(UnCore) are for 4.0ghz OCs. I'm at 1.30v CPU and 1.35 QPI(UnCore) at 3.8ghz... which seems like a pretty low voltage to me, but maybe its about right.
What is the default/stock QPI/VTT Voltage for I7 920 ???
Got a question for the guru's... I'm running 4ghz at 19x212 with CPU Voltage of 1.375v, is this a dangerous amount of voltage for the CPU? In the bios when I raised it the font turned red. Is 1.375v CPU really that high?
Reverend - yes! exactly - not a lot of folks are hitting 4.2 HT on - including me!
I am thinking that going from air to a good water set up might get me there!
hot n chili - 1.375v is a good reasonable v core IF your temps are ok.
intel's specs (some of them) -
When I am not benching with this machine (and that is not often) I run at 4ghz HT off (21x191) @ 1.28125v, see below -
Well, you can always try to tell your place where you are buying that you want to buy a CPU but only if it has ####B### in the code, instead of ####A###. However, there have been some A chips as well that were good for voltages. As they are the same stepping I would say that there may have just been some issues with the very early chips, but I will be able to tell that soon. I am getting a brand new i7 940 from Intel in a couple of days so I am eager to compare it to the existing one. If I can shave down the voltages to 1.35-ish range for 4.0GHz I will be reasonably happy. The 1.2xV chips for 4GHz are lucky even if they are B chips.
Now in terms of waiting, yes, you can wait, but you have to remember, stock on i7 920s moves slow, on i7 940 and i7 965 XE it barely moves at all so you may be waiting for a very long time for them to all flush through the market...
hot n chilly - screen shot with some settings for 21x191 - remember when oc'ing - ymmv -
What is the best radiator for hot i7? (set up is in signature block).
Planning my first water set up - single loop, gtz block with mcp655-B pump and ???radiator??? from frozenCPU - any of these?
installing on a tech station (open case - rack - basement computer closet), 965 extreme on ggbt x58 extreme mobo.
avitar is a weak pic of set up.
here is a monster rack IN THE STATES. hOWEVER DONT THINK THIS WILL COOL ANY BETTER THAN A GOOD 120.4 RAD WITH A GOOD PUMP.
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=21622
SteveRo, of your list, definitely the Feser is best, and unless Koolance has moved from Al, avoid it like the plague.
i7 920 @22x CPU Multiplier Tests
Looks like there's more uses for Intel's Turbo mode on DFI UT X58-T3EH8 especially for single threaded benchmark/apps like Super Pi. In bios set Turbo enabled, EIST enabled, Set to 1 core enabled and you have access to fixed 22x cpu multiplier :cool:
Quick Prime95 @22x134 Bclk with DDR3-1600/3200 DRAM/Uncore frequency set in bios for 6x DRAM memory multiplier.
http://fileshosts.com/intel/DFI/DFI_...ime95_load.png
Will test more to see how far I can push cpu and Bclk with 22x multiplier :D
Also flashed from intial 12/18 official bios to 12/31 beta bios for improved DDR3 memory compatibility as well as support for latest setFSB 2.1.88 :)
More 22x cpu multiplier results:
- With 22x multiplier, seems max bclk in memtest is 208 bclk compared to 21x multiplier and 224 bclk
- With 22x multiplier, max windows bootable is well below 200 bclk, I booted into windows at 190bclk and using new setFSB 2.1.88 bumped bclk to around 200-205 for max screenshot and validation. Compared to 21x multiplier and 220bclk bootable from bios into windows.
@22x205 = 4515Mhz at 1.52v idle (vdimm = 1.875v bios)
http://valid.canardpc.com/cache/banner/474675.png
http://fileshosts.com/intel/DFI/DFI_...cpuz_valid.png
@22x200 = 4418Mhz at 1.52v idle (vdimm = 1.875v bios)
http://fileshosts.com/intel/DFI/DFI_..._1.44/cpuz.png
Ok so trying to push the boundaries here a little – see below.
Trying to figure out if I can get 4.2 HT on - prime and linpack stable.
So, on air - linpack passed 5 runs but at an outrages temp of 100C about 10 times in quick hits– it is a wonder it did not blue screen or restart
I also ran prime for 5 minutes just for comparison – max temp was 90C, a full 10 degrees less!
So I don’t think this is a doable do on air but I think a good water setup might have a chance on this proc? Your thoughts?
eva2000 - do you like your 3520/SSD set up?
I have been very pleased with mine so far - see link in my sig.
Question - I was never able to figure out how to change the block size on the 3520 - what 3520 bios and driver are you using?
Mine is - HPT 3520 FW - v1.2.22.16, BIOS setting utility (driver?) is v1.3.1016
I wonder if a later bios/driver adds the ability to change block size?
I also posted a review and a comparison of raid 0 SSDs at -
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=549980
and at -
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=552010
EDIT - I see it - "Before plugging in the OCZ core SSDs, I flashed the 3520LF controller to latest bios and firmware versions, 1.40.0416 and 1.3.28.16 respectively." But did this allow you to change the array block size?
block size is changed from within 3520LF bios on boot up and so yup i could change it see screenshots http://i4memory.com/f9/ocz-core-ssd-...744/#post98279 it's a linked not inline image.
http://i4memory.com/reviewimages/har...F_bios_006.JPG
Very happy with my 3520LF/SSD setup just wish i had 4x more SSD for 8xSSD raid hehe
eva - I think your later bios gets you the block size adjustment - time for me to upgrade that!
What block size are you using now?
I'm not sure if you can trust that or not, i passed 50 runs yesterday on linX (2hr 50min~) then proceeded to crash after 9hr of blend. I know it's 3hr vs 9hr but from what pretty much everyone says 10 mins of linpack is supposed to be more reliable than 10 hours of blend. I don't know why but i had a feeling this would happen, i'll probably be sticking with prime after all.
Would anyone consider 1.45v on 965 cpu too high for a 24/7 set up?. Got it running really sweet at 4.2ghz prime stable HT off, max temps never exceed 70c.
Only reason for asking is a lot of you have really nice chips which need a lot less.
Thats after running prime for 8 hours in a pretty warm room. Idle temps are around 35-40c and load temps are 60-70c. Only thing in my system that could do with upgrading is the rad which is a bit outdated but its good enough as the temps are safe.
Its only the long term cpu volts that I'd like to know opinions on.
ranger07 - What are your multi's at?
rge helped me find a little trick that you might want to try.
At least for my 965, I found that running high bclock and low multi gave me much lower temp then the other way around - see below -
I agree - I doubt my 4.2/HT on would last an hour on prime.
I think I might drop the cpuv a couple clicks and see how far I get.
In any case i think water cooling should be in my future.
Regarding linpack and/or prime use - I think there is a failure mechanism that we just haven't figured out yet.
there is no "best" radiator..
though, if you haven't pciked up a CPU block yet, get the Koolance 350 waterblock, it actually slightly outperforms the GTZ on i7.
MCP655-B pump is good, you just can't change the speed. makes it difficult to bleed with a bad reservoir :(.
.. If your using high speed fans go for high-fin count radiators.
.. If your using low speed fans go for medium-count radiators.(IE: med speed yate loons)
@reverendMaynard,
Are you using the provided waterblock on the North Bridge, or are you using anything additional? I just purchased the GTZ water block for the cpu but I'm not sure what to do about the north bridge. It seems like it should almost use its own loop because of the hose restrictions.
Thanks
Jim
128K is best :) didn't use a firmware/driver older than the latest so no idea if block size was selectable in previous firmwares heh
Good to know, shame can't get as high bclk as with 21x multi right now, maybe bios update will fix this heh.
I declared my 21x200 stable after 10hours of Prime.
HT on, 1.3875v on the CPU. Max temp was about 62C
So now Im working on 21x210.
I can boot / cpu-z validate / post this message at 1.425v on the CPU (with HT on), Idle at 32C
http://valid.canardpc.com/cache/screenshot/474994.png
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=474994
Just ran a full test of RealTemp with Prime95 to heat test it. Heres the results at 3.8ghz now.
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/905...mp38ghzcd9.jpg
My max in RealTemp from Prime is 62C, with LinX it get to 70C.
A "safe" temp to use... I think you will get different answers to that. I guess its personal, I would run a system that would get 70C max on Prime for everyday use. But it depends on how long you are expecting your CPU to last. 1-2 years or 5+ years?
How much vcore are you using? 1.385v? what kind of cooling are you on?
I'm using 1.35v for the CPU Voltage @ 3.8ghz right now, using a Noctua air cooler. I'd like to be able to run this system for at least 3 years (even if I upgrade I tend to keep old PCs for back up duty). Am I running too hot for 3.8ghz, I notice that you are cooler at a higher clock... are you on water then?
They are according to their sig :)
You seem to have average to expected temps for air cooling @ 1.35v. It's the voltage that will determine your heat, more than the clock.
1.35v and 78c max prime load are nowhere near the worry zones, it will probably out live you ;)
Good to know, thats a relief. Are there other voltages you can drop to help lower temps? Such as RAM, PLL, etc etc?
When you guys post your OC can you guys state which bios your using?
so many different bioses for a lot of the boards.
I'm on the newest P6T bios whichever that is... just flashed it about a week ago.
Anyway, do you guys know which voltages you can drop besides CPU voltage to effect overall heat? Does dropping the DRAM, PLL, QPI (and others) effect temps?
They're all voltages that are going into the cpu itself so they will affect it to some degree, which voltages will make a difference to your cores though (the temps you care about) are up for question.
You should try to run with lowest volts possible anyway, on all settings :)
Looks like I have some detective work to do then. I'll post in if I find anything interesting. And anyone else with info please chime in.
Have a look where prime crashes on blend... mine kept crashing on 4096 FFTs, however, ran 24/7 with small FFTs only. Therefore, I concluded that it was down to memory timings/voltage and not the CPU. So I raised the Vdimm a little and slackened off my RAM timings... it still crashed?? So... I lowered the BCLK from 200 to 190, now it's stable @ 4.0GHz (21x190) and it could only do 3.8 before. :) Yea I know it's still 3.8GHz for multi-threaded apps, however, I have an "A" revision chip and I'm happy with 3.8GHz stable for 24/7 use.
Try running a "custom" session of Prime with min/max FFT size set to 4096 for an hour and see what happens. The way I understand it is small FFTs for CPU testing and large FFTs for memory. So I run small FFTs (12 hours+), blend (12 hours+) and custom 4096 FFTs (1 hour). Then I consider it stable.
Good point, i might look into that later. I wonder if you can set 5000k+ FFT's, to use up the same amount of memory linpack does.
Don't pay much attention to a/b batch [note: not revision!], too early in the manufacturing process for it to be that clear cut i think. I have an A and can go 4.2ghz+4.3ghz stable, and it's also one of the coolest chips i've seen, topping 60c~ @ 1.45-1.47v vcore :up:
Wanna trade? :p
I have a request. Will those of you with stable 3.8ghz & 4.0ghz OC's on air please post in with your current settings and Voltages? There have not been very many people posting in with full reports in the past few weeks, so I thought it was about time for some new ones.
Thx
my 4.0 on air - this is also a doable do with cpu v at 1.4v, qpi at 1.34v and dram at 1.64v
So, my i7 920 will be here on Monday or Tuesday. I will be initially running on air using a Noctua NH-U12P SE1366 on the bench while I decide on what case I want to put this new build in. I was going to order a TRUE but was having a hard time finding a vendor who had the 1366 bracket in stock. I will be going water with a dedicated CPU loop ultimately. Anyway, in my tool box, I have both AS5 and Ceramique. Any idea which one I should try first with the 920? I suppose I could try both, just trying to see if anyone has already been down this road. Thanks.
AS5 unless you are going sub zero
A hypothesis is as bclk passes 200Mhz the QPI becomes problematic, the exact cut off depending on the chip, mobo (probably the quality of the buck converter), and maybe temps (just guessing that 90C is less stable than 50C, at least for a few Mhz).
The 965 lets you get past that, but there are SO many 200x21s it seems that is the Q6600 G0 equivalent of 3.6GHz. The question is what is the limit in the 4.4-4.6GHz range? Is it QPI, which means that the 940 may show an edge of the 920? Or is it the CPU itself, which would mean the 920, 940, and 965 are functionally equivalent?
So would you suggest that those of us who have troublw at 20x/200 try something more along the lines of what SteveRo did, with a 30x/134? Is there any danger in using unbalanced combos such as that? Or is it in fact more dangerous to drive the BCLK up (like 200+)?
If you have a 965 you can try everything independently and use the Bclk for granularity between multipliers. If you can't get a 200 Bclk I would think that tuning that independently would be the first step. The QPI is 3.6GHz which is fairly close to the stock 3.2Ghz 965 setting. Can you make 15x200? It should be similar to any other system. I tried, so far unsuccessfully, to get posts of Core i7 settings in a different thread. Otherwise, they are spread all over.
Have you seen the NCIX video or read Saaya's thread?
Yes, I've seen the video. I was simply wondering about the merits of high multiplyer with low BCLK vs those of low multiplyer with high BCLK.
By the way, I believe I have reached a Prime stable 3.8ghz overclock. It just passed through 4 hours of torture testing with all 8 threads, with a top max of 77c and an average max of 75c.
It is as follows:
CPU Ratio: 19x
BCLK: 200
DRAM: 1203mhz (note to non P6T users: the P6T does frequency rather than multi's)
UCLK: 3208mhz
QPI: 7218MTs
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CPU Voltage: 1.32v
PLL: 1.84v
QPI Voltage: 1.3375v
DRAM Voltage: 1.6v
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/316...mp38ghzqq9.jpg
This was done with an air cooled (Noctua) 920 on a P6T board using OCZ Platinum DDR3 1333 RAM.
similar setup to mine now
Here is my daily setup for now, still going higher day by day:
Got a shot of my background so you'll can see what the rig looks like as well :D
quick run in wprime so you can have an idea of what temps are like, dont get any hotter over the hours
http://img.techpowerup.org/090103/Capture023680.jpg
How many cores does crysis use?
Can we get more frame rate if we oc just 1 or 2 cores of an i7? (turn off unused cores?)