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damn!! :confused: sounds like your doing something wrong or your sticks just simply suck.. i can bench with mine at 6-6-6-18 at 1750 mhz (2.25v)..Quote:
Originally Posted by Expat GriZ
and with 7-7-7-18 over 2000 mhz (if i remember right those settings start to become unstable at 2060mhz at those latencys) :up:
Is that 2x1 or 4x1? 2x1 they are great, just having a hard time with the 4x1. If you are in a 4x1 configuration, would you mind passing on your settings?Quote:
Originally Posted by Solarfall
Thanx in advance:up:
Well my build with this board has not gone well at all..Specs of system..
E8600 Swifty GTZ
2gigsx2 Gskill PI 1600
2xVelociraptor raid 0 300g
4870x2 x 2 Ek full cover nickel
Siverstone 1200watt modular.
4 seperate loops..4 Tc120.3/4 655pumps/4 ek 150res's/Swifty nb blk that goes over the original..
Using Bios 403 bios 601 was crap for ocing havint tried any others
So far i get random 0x0000003b bluescreens..Changed memory to known working sticks. Disabled the raid ran a single hdd/tried running with 1 single Ati card..
The funny thing is when i have both ATI cards in and try to install drivers it always disables the second card saying driver not compatible with your hardware..Running Vista 64bit...tried 8.9 and 8.10
Any help would be awesome because I will probably give up soon sale everything and go back to Nvidia..if i cant fix this in the next couple of days
I was getting random blue screens and my CPU dropped two cores at random, went into windows error log and it turned out to be fatal bus or interconnect error. Board is back at ASUS RMA right now.
One thing i noticed, atleast on my Cellshock blacks, make SURE TRFC are not AUTO, couse auto makes to high trfc, auto is on premium board like 86, and i get failure in lots of stuff, prime blend etc. use 60 if you got 1800mhz, 60 or 72 works good, also, they are sensetive against voltage, to much voltage may be a failure too, just one notch could make diffrence between stable and unstable.
try also cpu and nb skew, i was 4 min blend fail but over 3h small ffts, and then i tried a tip of putting cpu skew 400 and nb skew 200, nest i booted up again, put prime blend, and it went 1hr no problems, stopped it then couse i was just testing, and it worked :) they are really sweet mems actually can take whatever you do with em (almost) and i dont have any degradation efter almost 1 year now, and allways had them 2.0+v. but not 2.2 :) just for bench, but they are working as they did in the beginning.
cheers!
mine are 2x1.. generally speaking 4x1 dont seem to overclock like the 2x1.there is no special setting just up your volts, also the ram strap might play some role in getting the max out from those sticks (im still getting to know this board) :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Expat GriZ
btw the fsb changing from the fly works surprisingly well when i tested it yesterday while benching 3dmark :D:D
Thanks for the help Zeus - she is up and running now!
I went through your list and threw in a few other things along the way... I got down to the next to the last bullet in my clip of tricks before the dreaded RMA. I reseated the E8600 (then was going to try my QX6850) - and that did it. So I put it all back together again and am typing this on it now!
Have flashed both bios to 0601 and will start playing as soon as I'm done updating drivers, formatting HDD, etc.
Thanks again - more to come!
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Originally Posted by Churchdown Yank
Glad to hear you got it up and running!!! Looking forward to your results!!
Hi All,
Now have my system 24/7 stable :D
How much luck have people had getting the G.Skill Pi 2x2 ram anywhere near 1800?
at the moment im running stock timeings.
http://www.dsbphoto.co.uk/Capture.JPG
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I really wonder whether they tested this board before release!!
- I have RAID Problems at set-up but I found what my problem was. I raided 0 three Samsung F1s and I made to partitions one 150GB and one huge 2.8GB (the rest). Unless I delete the second big partition windows will not recognize my RAID array at during setup.
- I really trying to set it up with OCZ PC3 Platinum 12800 - (AVOID THIS RAM with this board).
-For a strange reason the board fails to turn on many times and I have to turn off my PSU (Thermaltake 1200Watt) on and off many times. Grrrrrrrrrrrr this is ridiculous.
I finally corrupted my Vista installation and I can't even repair unless I delete the second partition. So I am using a forth TB disk to install Vista there again, move the data from the big partition (the 2.8GB) that causes recognition failure at set up then boot from cd and repair the original installation. After that I will disconnect my RAID disks and experiment with the single disk installation after I make an image from it.
OPTICAL output
Please check the back of the FX and let me know if it's giving off a red optical light. Mine doesn't - thanks ( may be related to auto off function if you plug in Front HD plug in )
@think:
When i press down the cover on the optical output with a toothpick on mine, there is a ray of red light coming out.
Hope this helps.
I ran into simular issues & found that putting the 4+4 pin connector on the MOBO instead of the 8 pin solved my issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by JargonGR
This was due to the fact that the 8 pin is on a shared rail, while the 4+4 is solely on rail 2.
Hope that helps.
Solved - bad contactQuote:
Originally Posted by Zeus
Hi All,
Preliminary results are in - it is easy to overclock this setup!
I was able to quickly take out the available overhead in everything, and will briefly share results - although I'm not going to bother with screenies, because it's all been done before here, and by more qualified people than me.
However, I will share my experience on the 2x1 vs. 4x1 Gb RAM issue though, because that might help someone.
With 2x1 without too much trouble I was up to 500 x 9 and 2000 MHz (400 Strap) on the Corsairs, granted with timings a little loose at 8-8-8-20 1T, 2.2V. Could not push the FSB or multiplier much more without really ramping up the volts/heat (I'm only on air, so I think 510 was actually where I maxed out today).
Since Far Cry 2 arrived today - I was eager to have the "low hanging fruit" and get on with some informal stress testing! When I added the second 2x1 it really made a difference. Could not boot into windows without dropping down to 450 x 10 (kept the 400 strap for 1800 MHz on the RAM) although at those settings I was able to tighten up the timings a little bit to 7-7-7-20 1T. This is actually just the advertised performance though.
Certainly there is more optimisation that could be done with both settings - especially the 4x1 setup. I really haven't gotten into that yet, but preliminary investigations indicate that there is a big difference in 2x1 and 4x1.
Maybe everyone knew that already! :ROTF: In any case - I'm off to Africa! Be back later with more questions.
I do believe you mean a 2.8TB partition. Someone correct me if I am wrong on this, but IF you are using Vista32 there is a 2TB limit to what it can address, which you are exceeding.Quote:
Originally Posted by JargonGR
Hi All,
Just back form hols - good to see that a lot of progress has been made on the detailed bios settings and that people are getting some decent results.
Finally got my W/C hooked up and just running a 24 hr leak test so hope to get some results this weekend. Here's how it's shaping up so far ...
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This is my first experience of W/C and after an initial test run using the wife's ionised water for the iron flooded the case things look more promising. Just getting an occasional tick which I guess is trapped air moving about. Cr@p :shocked: just as I typed this the hose just blew off the pump outlet - that'll be two hose clips there then. Good job Feser One is water based (?) its came off the beige carpet ok just hope it dries without a green tint and the wife is working late.
Sorry for rambling, the real point to my post is to ask what I can expect from my 9770 on water ? - had 4.1Ghz 24/7 from it on air.
Thanks.
I am using Vista Ultimate 64bit and I actually manage an installation on this RAID set up by first creating a small 150GB partition, then installing the OS, adding drivers and finally creating a 2.64TB volume for the rest of the space and using GPT instead of MBR. I then corrupted this installation and decided to install on a single 1tB disk first (a Hitachi) and after I stabilize the board I will move to RAID again. This installation will hang on booting (BSOD) if I enable RAID and make ANY volume with my 3TB F1s on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pntgrd
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Originally Posted by Puttz
Hey thanks for the TIP I changed over and will be testing now.
I also got some Cellshock RAM to play with (that I can return) but I only managed to find (on the retail store) the 1600 Black ones and will be testing tonight. They already seem better than my PC3 Platinum PC12800 OCZs that are giving me hell.
Right now I am small FFT stable with my q9550 @ 4.080Mhz 480 FSB and 1600MHZ RAM. I will keep it for about an hour and start tweaking the RAM for BLEND stability.
I replaced the OCZ 2x2GB Platinum PC12800 modules with 4x1GB Cellshock 1600. Will report back if I manage to stabilize those.
And a last question, is Real Temp accurate since at 1.42Vcore I am getting max 62C on my CPU (on water dedicated loop with a 360 TFC and Apogee GTX)?
thats a great looking rig you got there rob2k...hahah i wish my rig would look as clean as yours does :DQuote:
Originally Posted by rob2k
I find it to be very accurate & within 1 degree of Rampage's LCD readout.Quote:
Originally Posted by JargonGR
You must take the time to calibrate it, but once done it is the best software out there (IMO).
Anyone here with G.skill PC12800 2x1GB and can do 1800+ with cas 7 , please post your settings. Trying with mine and i only coming to around 1760mhz with 7-7-7-18-72 and 1,90v. More volt doesnīt solve anything. I have samsung chip
i guess i could test that once i get the time..they worked pretty well on my evga 790i ultra..max was at 7-7-7-18 995mhz (or 1990 mhz) at 2.75v:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Turbodream
Does anyone know a e-tailer that will ship Diablos (DIABLO3-2000-4GB-KIT) to the USA?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Puttz
Yes that did the trick and I have no more issues with power on/off.
I have also managed to get the board stable with my Q9550 @ 4080Ghz 1600 Mhz Ram 1T 7-7-7-18 with 4x1 Cellshocks 1600. I am now testing 490FSB with RAM @ 1668 and same latencies and I think I am close to stability. Will report back.
As soon as i get it stable at 490FSB I am stopping and will try set up the 3x1TB RAID 0 array again.
*EDIT*
LOL I managed to install Windows on 3X1TB Samsung F1s but one of them crapped out. The hell with RAID 0 unless I get a good controller the Intel one is not the way to go.
Do you think I am pushing it with 3 x TB Disks? (Actually 4x1TB I have a hitachi hooked as well).
Hey Rob nice system!! I'd really use a long nose plyer and clamp down on the nylon hose clamps, or even better find some jubilee clamps for the pump outlet as the area has the highest pressure in the loop. I'd say you would probably get another 300ish Mhz from the WC depending on your CPU, loop performance and skill :DQuote:
Originally Posted by rob2k
Anyway :welcome: back!!
Trying to get my G.skill stable with 7-7-7-18-72 but after a while in windows it just boots.
This is my settings and i hope someone can give me some tips.
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have you tried with Vrefs and skews on auto?
Turbodream, maybe you have to have higher vdimm, I need 2-2.02 for stable system, 1.96 could be to low. also vNB about 1.50 for PL6 and CL7 as you use.
" Infa " i have tried vdimm up to 2.1 but i havenīt tried vNB, should give that a try. And ofc PL 6-7 instead of Auto. Have i done the Dram Skew correctly ? Using white slots .......
I leave the command skew on auto or normal and the Clock Skew A2, B2 both advance 250ps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turbodream
@Turbodream
Where you are advancing 125ps on the Dram Cmnd Skew I always have to
go Negative 50ps on A
And Negative 100ps on B.
Will never learn about the skews, but do i have to change both channel A and B ?
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/3324/1000075kh2.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Turbodream
26,459 in 3DMark06.
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=8682723
P18312 in Vantage
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dmv=483367
Thanks, Kensek. Will try this out
Up to 26,580 with Xfired HD4870s and a Q9650 running at 510x9.
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=8685382
And P18,370 with Vantage.
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dmv=483976
Really skewing a lot of things now once I go above 500 FSB with the Q9650.
Yeah, allways delay on skews for some reason..
what worked on my board was to set cpu delay 400 and nb delay 200, then i got from 4min blend fail, to over 1 hour and i stopped it!
ram skews ar mostly diffrent for what RAM you got, my cell black like its skews off :)
I'M at
-300 CPU
-200 NB
-75 Dram A
-150 Dram B
Also GTL my CPU
+50
+50
+50
+50
DRam Ref Vltg
A + .125
B + .125
I finally got it stable 490FSB with Q9550=4,180 and RAM Cellshock 1600 @ 1634 7-7-7-18 / 1T CR.
What did the trick for me was setting the GTLs for CPU at +50 with VTT 1.41 and the NB +60.
Vcore 1.43
CPU PLL 1.52
Loadline Auto
NB Voltage 1.56
RAM Voltage 1.89
NBDDRef -10mv
DDR Chan A +25mv
DDR Chan B +25mv
Where can you read about these skew settings anyway and how can you determine what AUTO settings were determined in bios anyway?
Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
OC From Memory Level Up: Auto
FSB Frequency: 480
CPU Ratio Setting: 8
CPU Configuration
C1E Support: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Vanderpool Technology: Enabled
Execute Disable Bit: Enabled
Core Multi-Processing: Enabled
CPU Clock Skew: Auto
NB Clock Skew: Auto
FSB Strap to North Bridge: AUTO
PCIE Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: 1601Mhz
DRAM Command Rate: 1N
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
1st Information: 7-7-6-18-8-88-8-9
CAS# Latency: 7
RAS# to CAS# Delay: 7
RAS# Pre Time: 6
RAS# ACT Time: 18
RAS# To RAS# Delay: 8
REF Cycle Time: 88
WRITE Recovery Time: 8
READ to Pre Time: 6
2nd Information : 10-6-7-5-7-5-7
READ to WRITE Delay (S/D): 10
WRITE to READ Delay (S): 6
WRITE to READ Delay (D): 7
READ to READ (S): 5
READ to READ (D): 7
WRITE to WRITE (S): 5
WRITE to WRITE (D): 7
3RD Information: 24-8-1-10-10
WRITE to PRE Delay: 21
READ to PRE Delay: 8
PRE to PRE Delay: 1
ALL PRE to ACT Delay: 10
ALL PRE to REF Delay: 10
DRAM Static Read Control: disabled
DRAM Dynamic Write Control: disabled
DRAM Skew Control
DRAM CMD Skew on Channel A: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on DIMM A1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on DIMM A2: Auto
DRAM CTL Skew on DIMM A1: Auto
DRAM CTL Skew on DIMM A2: Auto
DRAM CMD Skew on Channel B: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on DIMM B1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on DIMM B2: Auto
DRAM CTL Skew on DIMM B1: Auto
DRAM CTL Skew on DIMM B2: Auto
Ai Clock Twister: Lighter
Ai Transaction Booster: Manual
Common Performance Level: 08
Pull-In of CHA PH1: Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2: Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3: Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1: Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2: Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3: Disabled
EPU II Phase Control: Auto
CPU Voltage: 1.45
Load-Line Calibration: Disabled
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.53756
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.28566
CPU GTLVerf (0): +50mv
CPU GTLVerf (1): +50mv
CPU GTLVerf (2): +50mv
CPU GTLVerf (3): +50mv
NB GTLVerf: +60mV
North Bridge Voltage: 1.60372
DRAM Voltage: 1.90856
NB DDRVref: +37.55mv
DDR3 ChannelA Vref: +12.5mv
DDR3 ChannelB Vref: +12.5mv
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: 1.51106
South Bridge 1.05 Voltage: 1.06039
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
BIOS TEMPS:
CPU 42.5
MB 37
NB 46
SB 47
Power Temp 43
PRIME95 25.7 Build 1
Default settings - BLEND
REAL TEMP 2.70 During Prime Test:
49-46-47-47
Hi Solorfall and EF - thanks for the positive comments and the welcome back :up:.
Spent a few hours routing cables and tidying it up yesterday - then I got bored and hooked it up as it is. I managed to run 32M HyperPi for the first time ever with my settings at 450x9, Real Temp showed a maximum of 58 with N/B at 37 !!!!. I think there is real scope to reach 475x9 or 460x9.5 depending on how loose I want to go with the memory timings.
Need to install the UV lighting and side window this week so still lots to do. The only issue so far is the PSU temp reached 60 possibly due to having fewer fans in the new case so might be on the lookout for one that does not have to work so hard - was thinking Corsair HX1000.
http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/view.php?id=870052&da=y
The above link is to Bios version 0701, dated 10/21/2008 for the Rampage Extreme.
Flash at your own risk. Use the EZ-Flash Method to minimize a bad flash occurring.
Also there is No Change Log.
Please Post your likes and dislikes about this version.
Thank you.
Below is the Asus Forum Thread link
http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?...Language=en-us
Nice one Kensek, will give it a whirl. thanks
RLM
how do you determine which skews to use? Is there a program that will illustrate which skews are set auto?
2nd time I posted this question.:)
thanks mate i'll test this one tomorrow... what is different compared to the previews bios version ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kensek
Found the sweet spot on my memory last night - 475 FSB to give 1901Mhz at 7-7-7-18 1T 2.1v results in a 12125Mb/s read speed.
Core 1 (0-3) drops out running HyperPi now at this new frequency (4275) so looking to tune the GTLs later when I have more time.
Any feedback from 0701 bios ?. I'm still on 0501 and will prob stay with that in case any vdroop issues have been fixed on later bios's causing my voltages to be too high.
guys i tested the 0701 beta bios today and while i was overclocking my harddrive died. im not sure did the beta bios cause it, but i would suggest to be safe and not flash it
:eek::shocked:Quote:
Originally Posted by Solarfall
I've been testing it for a day and no fuss so far. Might flash back to 0601 since I know it works and I found ZERO improvement.
like i said im not sure if it was the beta bios.. i was benching my E8600 at 635fsb and the system crashed. i tryed to boot back to windows with 590 and i kept on getting a bluescreen.. temps and all were fine on the board. its pretty mystical what caused it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Think
Damn...well it could of been worse. Keep us posted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solarfall
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Originally Posted by Think
I linked to these at OCZ before and maybe you've seen them anyway. There's some useful general info on the various skews.
OCZTony's "Intel FSB Over Clocking, clock skew and the effects it has on system memory"
http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/fo...ad.php?t=40746
and a bit more here
"Taming the Asus P5E3 Premium" also by Tony.
http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/fo...ad.php?t=41042
I notice that Tony has an RE now, and has worked through some (OCZ) 4GB kits.
"Rampage Extreme tweaking and tips"
http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/fo...ad.php?t=44088
Not that much extra info yet but could be worth checking out for general tips as time goes on.
As Tony says in the "Intel FSB Over Clocking.." guide, unless you have the kit "to read the clocks and dial them in", any skews you might need are just down to you to find, as they'll be specific to your individual kit/clocks etc.
If your really stuck you could give this a go -
http://www.xtremesystems.org/FORUMS/...postcount=1128
still works well for me (CTL skews), though there might be more elegant way.
Just a word on the "Memtest86+ method": I only used Test 3 to speed up the trial and error process - the other Tests may or may not give better/more meaningful results in finding the 'best' skews, or for CMD/CLK skews which I haven't used.
Using Memtest86+ like this isn't about testing memory for final stability - as others have said, HCI should be better for that. However, it might take forever to find DRAM skews with HCI, and you can't really use low VDIMM in the same way.
Having said that, I've found that 86+ can find plenty it doesn't like even when HCI passes 1000+%. This could be down to failures in memory that HCI doesn't cover, or some other system instability which the HCI loading doesn't expose. I'm still using 86+ to double check after successful Blend and HCI testing.
:)
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Finally, I do have some fairly unexciting results to post shortly for the Transcends, which I think confirm Stelios' earlier advice of Samsung IC.
Sorry to hear that...as now I might wait a bit to flash 701 myself:(. Still thinking of backing down to 501. What kind of disk and were you in RAID or Straight up?Quote:
Originally Posted by Solarfall
Hopefully you have a couple spares lying around.;)
yep thankfully i have another raptor.. i had the one that died in a straight up set up.. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Expat GriZ
Any word on the changelog for 0701? Is it better even for dualcore cpu's than 0403?
Thank you very much!Quote:
Originally Posted by cheapseats
:toast:
If you have mounted a GTZ on the RE, what did you do for the backplate? I modded my TRUE backplate to miss the chip but the GTZ plate looks a bit flimsy to be cutting a hole in the middle of it. I thought about using the TRUE's plate but the standoffs a much higher and I am afraid you won't get enough pressure on the block before the bolts bottom out.
I have a GTZ fitted and used one of these :-Quote:
Originally Posted by Pntgrd
http://www.scan.co.uk/Product.aspx?W...ing+the+cooler
The threaded portion is a very similar design to what comes with the GTZ.
I also changed to EK barbs by swaping the O ring from the Swiftech barbs.
My Common Performance Level is set to 6 for A1/A2/B1/B2 by having it set to AUTO.
If I want to set this manually to improve stability (reduce performance) would this become a 5 or 7 ?.
Apologies if I have missed this in the bios help. Cheers.
Lower PL = Tighter internal chipset timings = Less system stability at a given VMCH/VDIMM voltageQuote:
Originally Posted by rob2k
Reverse is also true. :up:
Usually with a FSB of 450-480 and Memory CL 7 a PL of 6 gives the best performance and stability. With a CL of 8 you need to raise PL to 7 or system might not boot.
Thanks EF - I understand how the scale works now :up: :up:
Froze last night as HyperPi was calculating the summary - I will leave PL alone and continue to tweak CPU & NB GTLs. Might even try the PCIE 101 trick then look at some voltages if i'm not happy.
Well, it's taken longer than the OCZ to get anywhere stably above rated with these sticks, though this seems more down to some board/BIOS/settings problem than the memory itself.
XMP
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Due to my unfounded concern over first time POSTability, I reset (0501) BIOS to default, so all on AUTO except VPLL, VTT and VSB which were set to min.
900mhz / cl8 is rated at 1.80V in the XMP. I didn't select XMP just AUTO but it POSTed at 450 x 7.5 with 1:2 straight from BIOS defaults. This gave rated speed for the memory straight away, with the nearest approximation of E8600 at stock. Memtested OK, so not bad for first POST with the kit. Never realised that XMP set the whole board up!
Obviously to be 'guaranteed' at 1.80V the XMP would need to include some extra VDIMM allowance so I worked down the VDIMM and found they only need 1.617V set in BIOS for 3000% HCI stability.
http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/q...3000_AXE_1.jpg
and with the same settings, more of a workout for the CPU -
http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/q...OB12_AXE_1.jpg
BIOS
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Quite quickly ran into instability above 450fsb on 0501 and 0601. Went back to 0403 which seemed a fair bit better for memory at 500fsb. All results here are with 0403.
Clocking and Latency
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I was hoping for a kit that would do 950mhz / CL7 with reasonble VDIMM. 475FSB with CL7 / PL6, gives better memory performance than 500 / CL8 / PL7, and at lower board voltages.
CL7 is a non-starter with this kit, which is not stable at 900mhz/CL7 even up to 1.95V + skews. With no decent CL7 clocks, pushing upwards from 900mhz at CL8 is the only option.
Highest clock I've reached with 32M stability is 1030mhz / CL8 with 515FSB and 1.97V. As you can see from the 1030mhz screenshot, Windows can't find the GFX, so nasty things are happening during boot. Still passed 32M though.
http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/q...SP32_AXE_1.jpg
VDIMM
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Although the very low VDIMM is nice for the rated speed, it doesn't translate into much in the way of clocking/voltage headroom.
So far the max VDIMM these modules can handle without giving uncontrollable errors is about 1.97V (set). This should still give 0.35V of usable voltage response from 900mhz/1.62V.
It gets used up quite quickly above 900mhz, so that by 950mhz about 1.85-1.90V is needed. The voltage demand then seems to ease off so that 1.95V allows 1000mhz/CL8 with 2000% HCI stability.
http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/q...2000_AXE_1.jpg
At 'higher' clock speeds (950+) VDIMM also needs to be kept within a fairly narrow margin. Overvolting, even a couple of notches past what's needed for a given clock, will give errors in HCI and 86+.
For now 1010mhz/CL8 @ 1.97V is probably about the limit for HCI stability, though this may improve.
VNB and NBGTL
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Quite pleased with 1.37V for VNB at 900mhz/CL8/1N/PL7, since 1.41 was needed for the same (but at 2N) with the OCZ3P18002GK.
As with VDIMM, the VNB requirement shoots up above 450FSB/900mhz, reaching 1.56 - 1.60V for 500FSB/1000mhz/CL8/PL7. The HCI 2000% pass required 1.56V at 500fsb, though this went up to 1.59-1.60V for 2-4 hour Blend. This is the same with any CPU multiplier. Unsurprisingly, OCCT 2hour mix passes at VNB 1.56V.
Was hoping that raising VTT and testing for a VTT/NBGTL sweetspot, might allow a drop in VNB. So far used up to 1.38V VTT and tested dozens of VTT/GTL/VNB/VCORE combinations.
No chance yet for lowering VNB stably, though I found NBGTL at -5mV for up to 1.30VTT and -10mV for 1.30-1.38V, worked best for me across the VNB range I've used. For example, the difference here between NBGTL on AUTO or -10mV with 1.38VTT/1.60VNB was no Windows versus 2+ hour Prime blend. Positive values for NBGTL also worked up to a point, but Large FFT failures during Blend became less predictable timewise.
As a result, my 500x9/1000/CL8/PL7 settings are the best compromise I've found so far that is 2-4hour Blend 'stable', but no more.
http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/q...SP32_AXE_1.jpg
Unless my high VNB for these clocks is just an ugly and unavoidable side effect of the Transcend kit with the available BIOSes, I think that a more stable combination of VNB/VTT/VCORE/PLL/GTLs, with some lower voltage levels, may be achievable with work.
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It doesn't appear that the memory itself is causing trouble at 1000mhz but considering the higher voltages needed and limited Blend stability, I'm not happy with 500x9/1000 as a usable clock yet. I would rather be at 475fsb / CL7 / PL6, but it's going to mean another memory kit which is fairly disappointing.
I've tried BIOS 0701 but found that no settings stick with the BIOS, even full AUTO, and always revert to downclocking upon booting, tried both my 2x2GB A-Data and 2x1GB CellShock.
Back to 0403...
Hey Solarfall!! How are you making out after the "crash"??? Are you still trying 701?? Anybody else? I've just flashed from 601 back to 501 and none of my previous settings will work!!!:eek: I'm almost back to auto on everything and stable @ 5 ghz with lower volts all around.:D Will start cranking it up and see what happens. :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Solarfall
I flashed back to 0601. Found 0701 to be unstable with my configuration.
@Think Thanks for the reply...might just stay away from it. As I stated above, just flashed back to 501....everything looks great but now Orthos is giving me hell!!! Back to the ol' drawing board!! :shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Think
Flashed 0701 and found no problems so far.
Have a slight impression that with the same settings I used on 0601, I'm having better memory performance.
Folding @ Home Deino SMP (project 2665) Min. Time / Frame improved 3-4 seconds.
Everest memory and cache benchmark didn't change in a noticeable way.
My 2x2GB kit (see sig) is running at 1705MHz, 1T, 1.90v
1st set of timings: 7-7-7-18-4-60-11-5
2nd set of timings: auto
3rd set of timings: 23-7-1-8-8
DSRC: Enabled
DDWC: Enabled
Sweks: auto
AI Clock Twister: strongest :D
AI Transaction Booster: Manual
Common Performance Level: 06
Pull-ins: all disabled (If I try to enable a single one, system locks while saving BIOS settings. Already happend on previous versions)
Other probably "important" settings:
CPU PLL: 1.51v
FSB Termination: 1.28v
NB Voltage: 1.28v
NB DDRVref: +12.5v
DDR3 Channel A Vref: auto
DDR3 Channel B Vref: +37.5v
SB 1.5 Voltage: 1.57v
SB 1.05 Voltage: 1.07v
I'm running my QX9650 @ 3833MHz (9x 426)
Has anybody been able to overclock one of these 2x2GB kits to 1800MHz?
I suppose you're all singing "Dream Dream Dream" while reading... :ROTF:
I'm seeking 24/7 stability and no matter how relaxed I set my memory timings and other settings, I can't make those wonderful Samsung IC based DIMM's fly faster than now.
My goal is FSB450, 2:1 divider.
Anyway I'm pretty happy with the results I've achieved, taking into consideration that it is a 2x2GB and not a 2x1GB kit.
I was just curious if there is some juice left in these DIMM, that requires some very nasty settings which I don't master.
I'd really appreciate some feedback on this. :up:
Thanks for all the useful posts in this (and other) thread(s).
I've been learning a lot with you people. :clap:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Expat GriZ
Haven't tried 0701 yet but I've had this a couple of times after flashing BIOS 1 to 0206 and 0403 - couldn't save any settings or AUTO. Had to use BIOS 2 (still as shipped) to restore BIOS 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by eternal_fantasy
Also a couple of wipeouts during Prime with 0403 - random restart and CMOS reset / cleared completely.
Thought it was probably bad flashes or maybe a flaky BIOS chip :shrug:
Hmm have flashed onto the second BIOS chip many times with other BIOS with no such problem.. although it may be a bad flash... anyway I think I'll let the BIOS mature a little with xx03-xx04 versions. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by cheapseats
Well, I'm starting to like this 501.:D Back stable @ 5 ghz, mem 2000 mhz 1N after 1 1/2 hours of Orthos, etc. I don't have to have the skews all over the place as opposed to 601 & volts are lower all around. Will give it a bash tomorrow as 1:15 am here and I'm whooped!
loljust noticed:rofl:Quote:
Lots of very expensive, soon to be obsolete parts!!
Well for a laugh I've just written to Asus requesting better compatibility with OCZ ram in their future bioses. I'm sure if I get response it will be along the lines of "Of course sir, we will get right onto it" joke.
I've referred to http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/200...mory-roundup/8
and
http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/fo...ad.php?t=44088
Also taking into account my own experiences and the fact I could consistently bench my ram on the 790i at 1940mhz 8-7-6 1T timings.
Albeit I can't confirm it's a ram issue, I'm really running into a brick wall with board for any decent overclocking and 3d benching. Specifically the likes of 3dmark 06 and 05.
Would be nice to have the sort of bios updates that I believe the Premium had
Real fun'n'games.
RLM
Desperately trying to learn about CPU GTL settings, read lots of information although some is very technical and others conflicting. Read that the data bus values should be higher than the address bus values so going to try these tonight.
The other thing I have read refers to multipliers, 0.63x should be set to AUTO on a quad with the calculated difference to GTL ref V set in mv to the 0.67x multipliers.
Does anyone know which GTLs refer to 0.63 and 0.67 multipliers ?.
ran some super pi today with a new E8600 that i got ..it seems to be a pretty descent one :D thats my new personal record
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t...hotos/7640.jpg
6 Gig !!! - thats mental :toast:
Very VERY NICE!!!!!!!:clap::up::shocked: WOW!! Any chance of you sharing your settings for this amazing feat?? I'm finding 501 bios better than 601 but completely different. Some guidelines for skews and vrefs sure would hit the spot!! Are you stable enough to have a go at the 3d records??Quote:
Originally Posted by Solarfall
thanks mate thats pretty standard with extreme cooling these days ( btw that was done with a 2 stage cascade)Quote:
Originally Posted by rob2k
nothing too special booted into windows at 5900mhz and pumped up the fsb from there.. lol i cant remember what i had set as volts in bios i will check tomorrow when i ran more 3d ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Expat GriZ
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t...tos/341442.jpg
I know its pretty standard for you guys with the "big toys" but its still pretty big bickies around these parts!!:up: If you don't mind, while your checking those voltages, (hint hint) take a look at your ram skews, Gtl's, Vref's as well.....PPpplllllllleeeeeaasssseeeeee!!!!!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Solarfall
That's some knockout runs there Solarfall:up:
ExpatGriz you had 5.5ghz out of your 8600 on SS didn't you? I'd be interested to know your settings:D
RLM
Awesome clocks, solar. :eek: Everytime I see an E8600 breaking 6ghz I feel bad for buying an E8400. :doh:
I find this board very frustrating to work with be it with 0501,0601 or my present 0701.
Would really like some advice with the QX9650 + Mushkin 996625. Watercooled, temps idle 26,27,25,30 using Realtemp. Stable 280x8. As soon as I try x9 OCCT reports voltage instability but more importantly, Prime blend or smallf will not pass. I've tried a number voltage combinations, even max most of the voltages to just before yellow indications and no go. Greg was very helpful at Mushin but I think that I need a second or third opinion.
Quote:
Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
OC From Memory Level Up: Auto
FSB Frequency: 480
CPU Ratio Setting: 8
CPU Configuration
C1E Support: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Vanderpool Technology: Enabled
Execute Disable Bit: Enabled
Core Multi-Processing: Enabled
CPU Clock Skew: Auto
NB Clock Skew: Auto
FSB Strap to North Bridge: AUTO
PCIE Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: 1601Mhz
DRAM Command Rate: 1N
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
1st Information: 7-7-6-18-8-88-8-9
CAS# Latency: 7
RAS# to CAS# Delay: 7
RAS# Pre Time: 6
RAS# ACT Time: 18
RAS# To RAS# Delay: 8
REF Cycle Time: 88
WRITE Recovery Time: 8
READ to Pre Time: 6
2nd Information : 10-6-7-5-7-5-7
READ to WRITE Delay (S/D): 10
WRITE to READ Delay (S): 6
WRITE to READ Delay (D): 7
READ to READ (S): 5
READ to READ (D): 7
WRITE to WRITE (S): 5
WRITE to WRITE (D): 7
3RD Information: 24-8-1-10-10
WRITE to PRE Delay: 21
READ to PRE Delay: 8
PRE to PRE Delay: 1
ALL PRE to ACT Delay: 10
ALL PRE to REF Delay: 10
DRAM Static Read Control: disabled
DRAM Dynamic Write Control: disabled
DRAM Skew Control
DRAM CMD Skew on Channel A: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on DIMM A1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on DIMM A2: Auto
DRAM CTL Skew on DIMM A1: Auto
DRAM CTL Skew on DIMM A2: Auto
DRAM CMD Skew on Channel B: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on DIMM B1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on DIMM B2: Auto
DRAM CTL Skew on DIMM B1: Auto
DRAM CTL Skew on DIMM B2: Auto
Ai Clock Twister: Lighter
Ai Transaction Booster: Manual
Common Performance Level: 08
Pull-In of CHA PH1: Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2: Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3: Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1: Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2: Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3: Disabled
EPU II Phase Control: Auto
CPU Voltage: 1.41
Load-Line Calibration: Disabled
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.53756
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.325
CPU GTLVerf (0): +50mv
CPU GTLVerf (1): +50mv
CPU GTLVerf (2): +50mv
CPU GTLVerf (3): +50mv
NB GTLVerf: +60mV
North Bridge Voltage: 1.60372
DRAM Voltage: 1.90856
NB DDRVref: +37.55mv
DDR3 ChannelA Vref: +12.5mv
DDR3 ChannelB Vref: +12.5mv
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: 1.51106
South Bridge 1.05 Voltage: 1.06039
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
I've tried several skew combination between 25/50 to 50/100. :shakes:
thats little nib excessive for a nb volts at those clock speeds you might want to have it around 1.4v maybe even less, if you can get it stanble ;) what are your Nb temps like.??Quote:
Originally Posted by Think
I have a quad and my GTLs are in the region of -30 to -50, if I try positive values temp increase by 6 degs on each core. Your FSB voltage may also be on the low side for 480. Is 480x9=4320 not pushing it too much ?.Quote:
Originally Posted by Think
NB - Bios Temps are 46 but I dropped it to 1.4 so its running at 41CQuote:
Originally Posted by Solarfall
CPU - Bios Temp is 41 with vcore at 1.42
I've lowered my GTL's on all 4 to -30 and will give it a try. You have different values per GTL?Quote:
Originally Posted by rob2k
Yes, still working on them as I have a random core that drops out half way through HyperPi. From what I have read the data bus GTL may need to be set higher than the address bus GTL. Will be running on a die at a time utilising one core at a time to set them up as best I can over the weekend. Also (again from what I read) it is not uncommon to need different values across dies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Think
Quote:
Originally Posted by rob2k
I was way off then so according to this example from Cryptik:
With FSB termination voltage set at 1.15316 ( just presuming it's a good value: = 1.15316 x .635 = .73. But he add .667 for 5 core - I don't get it and read it 5 times.Quote:
Vtt x 0.667 + Y = Vtt x 0.635
1.14v x 0.667 + Y = 1.14v x 0.635
0.760v + Y = 0.724v
Y = 0.724v - 0.760v
Y = -0.036v
Y = -36 mv
did some more clocking today.. i was able to crack few of my personal records :D
bios settings that i used were:
cpuv:1.8750v
pplv:1.51v
fsb:1.60v
nb:1.709v
ram:2.2v
everything else was in auto and NB was watercooled.
some super pi flava
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t...otos/07593.jpg
32M
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t...32m826625s.jpg
and finally some pifast
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t...pifast1558.jpg
Bought this board, first time with ddr3.
With ALL voltage set to the LOWEST in the bios 500fsb orthos stable
Attachment 88136
1.9V cl8 ddr3 2000
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2.1V cl7 ddr3 2000
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620fsb boot into windows
Attachment 88139
You are a very sick person:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Solarfall
I know what you mean :D but -36 looks reasonable, I get lost at the .63 and .67 multipliers as the RE works differently but my temps have proved the - values to work best on 45nm CPUs so I'm sticking with 'em. I think the science and mathematics go so far then the rest is down to trial and error !Quote:
Originally Posted by Think
Just starting to play with them again now .........
Sunny7day, that looks like some awesome ram, what brand/type is it?
It comes without heatspreader, green pcb.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeus
Attachment 88143
Just barely pass 13K with 7.5x multiplier with my E8400:shakes:
Attachment 88144
Hi, Does anyone know how to run HyperPi on cores 2 & 3 ?.
When doing a run with 2 cores it defaults to cores 0 & 1. Thanks in advance.
I assume that running a QX9650 on OCCT = 73-75:smoke::shock: is not safe right?
Let me know asap. On idle it goes down to 38
I think OCCT report temps are wrong but don't want to take a change. Run Prime at it's around 61 on all 4 cores
actually, no that should be fine 24/7.Quote:
Originally Posted by Think
no normal usage is going to get your cpu nearly as hot as OCCT will.
giving 0701 a go now. Disconnected my disks first - maybe overcautious but thanks Solarfall (I think :D).
first flash to BIOS 1 gave same result as EF - wouldn't save settings or AUTO. Flashed again and ok for saves etc.
2hrs ok in 86+ at 450/900 with VDIMM at 1.62V and my other settings for 0403 / 0501. So not worse for me at low clocks/VDIMM anyway.
going to image another system disk and try something more.
heheh good thing that you didnt kill anything.. btw i was able to resurrect the 74bg WD raptor that went fubar :DQuote:
Originally Posted by cheapseats
Top tip when running HyperPi or other benching S/W ......................... disable screen saver first :D
Now Pi stable and moving onto Prime.