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I've not tried for 4Ghz, I worked my way up from 3Ghz until the temps on the stock cooler reached the 55c mark during Linx.Quote:
Originally Posted by neo mike
I'm currently waiting to get my water cooling loop back up and running, She did 4.4Ghz with her previous owner on water ;)
I'm using BIOS version 1.4
Just because it did 4.4 for them on water dosnt mean that it will do 4.4 with the setup that u have, but it is a good reference, NB clocks and your mem will play a LARGE role in how far u can go (at least from my understanding)
Dragon
if your on c3 i wouldnt be suprised if your nb was keeping you unstable. have you tried getting stable with lower nb? my c3 runs 2.6ghz with 1.25 cpu-nb volts but will not get stable with 2.8ghz nb even with 1.35+ cpu-nb volts.Quote:
Originally Posted by neo mike
maybe take a step back and put everything to stock, lower ram, and then just clock cpu alone and see how far it goes. then go for cpu & nb clock together and see how far you can go... etc.
i use the 1600mhz divider (1:4), however just with 8.8.8 timingsQuote:
Originally Posted by zanzabar
for 4.0ghz i have my vcore set to 1.48 in bios, shows up as 1.464 in cpuz on idle, drops to 1.448 during prime :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by almighty15
So it's the same motherboard, same CPU and same RAM and yet it doesn't meen it'll do it for?...Awesome logic there :down:Quote:
Originally Posted by FireDragon
LOL, u never said that he shipped u his mobo, ram and cpu, as even if u bought the same ram and mobo he had....that dosnt cut it imo, your ram could b weak or something on the mobo might not clock as well (even if everything is the same ordered from the same place, u will get completely different overclocks when u put them together even with the same parts), so ur saying u bought the CPU, the Ram and the Mobo from him? if that is the case then u should b able to reach that 4.4 that he had, assuming your watercooling is as good, BUT my logic is perfectly in place, everyone knows that 2 ppl (or even the same person) using 2 identical setups wont reach the same clocks everything has differences no matter how small that effect the overclockQuote:
Originally Posted by almighty15
Dragon
should i buy this over the gigabyte 790fxta ud5?
the UD5 is a brand new board so we cant answer that one yet, as atm there are not even any reviews of it out, but i do know of at least one person that went from a UD5P to this MSI board and he like it better :)
Dragon
:shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by FireDragon
So would you guys recommend this board to an OC newb?
Gathering parts for a gaming build and right now this one is at the top of my list....
if u are not afraid of having some extra settings in the bios, then why not
I'm on BIOS version 1.4
I've not had any problems with it but is it worth upgrading? Are the newer BIOS's more stable and give better overclock results?
There is no one good bios, there are so many bios for this board it aint funny, you have to try different ones and find one you like. Im using 1.82b seems ok, go to www.oczforums.com and there is a load of bios there for this board.
wtf is that supposed to mean? that i am right lol?Quote:
Originally Posted by almighty15
Dragon
I'm not saying what it meens as I'll get into trouble with the mods...Quote:
Originally Posted by FireDragon
Does anybody with this board have there ram clocked over 1700 mgz ? and if you do what bios you on, i have tried 5 different bios, and cannot get my ram to run over 1700mgz, and yes its capable of doing it easy. I see in first page that msi max had 1872 , how did he do that i have no idea, i have raised the nb v cpu nb v, dram v what else can you do ?
The IMC in Phenom II's was never designed to do more than DDR3 1333, so you're hitting a wall on the IMC, not of your board. If someone got it higher than you, it's probably because their IMC is stronger, or at least more stable than yours.
I have a 965 C3 is very capable of 1700 plus is not my chip, its the bios , there are loads of guys hitting 1800 and over on same chip, trust me its the bios., have to find right bios, if there is one, there are so many beta bios for this board, have to try them all.
Well then in that case u can PM it to me as i am interested in what your gonna sayQuote:
Originally Posted by almighty15
Dragon
You could be right it could be my chip :shrug: i can hit 1690, but 1 mgz over and it dont matter how much voltage i add it wont go, but i see so many people doing 1800, i know its not easy to do 1800, but im not sure what it is, going to try another board and that will tell the story. I did raise my cas to 7 and 8 just to try and see if 6 was a no go, but it didnt matter.
Got mine now to 1600Mhz now, timings are crap though at 9-9-9-24 :(
Not tried to lower then yet though :)
Just did a quick test to check what my setup can handle, I can hit 1752 cl7 or 1760 cl8, but cl6 is too tight for my sticks, they crap out at ~1530 :(
Well im having better luck now, i knew my chip was not holding me back, i switched the ram in the slots closest to the cpu and bingo. Im seeing now how far they will go stable. 1733 now cas 6 is not bad, but they should do 1800 cas 6 for benching but not stable, we will see.
Update, i cant get 1700 cas 6 to pass memtest, have tried for hours, keep getting errors.
Mike I have ran this mobo since it came out and I have 4 of them and I love them but the guy is right about the set-up, You can build 2 rigs side by side with the same parts and they both will not run the same lol lol I have tried it... But my friend Tony from OCZ has got the set-up down!! I will tell you that it will run fasterat 1333mhz with tight timing then 1800 with loose timing. The mobo max out about 1800mhz. The CPU don't play nice with high voltage memory and also needs some CPU-NB voltage and speed. I found the (sweet spot) at 2800mhz CPU-NB@1.300v and the HT link at 2600mhz@1.250v NB-CORE 1.25v CPU 955 @3.8ghz 1.3625v and the 965C3 @ 4.0ghz at 1.41v. I run this set-up 24/7 and runs nice and cool 32c idle and 43c max load..
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Originally Posted by Yancey
Ok i will try those setting, and im aware of Tony, he is knows his stuff. I was trying for 1720 cas 6 but i get errors in memtest and cant make them go away :shrug:, but i will try your settings, thanks for your reply. What bios you running ? what is your cpu vdd voltage ? and your cpu-nb vdd ?.
nice voltage on the CPU there for 4.0 (well damn close lol)
Dragon
doesnīt look too impressive for cas6 neo mike.
17.254s cas7 800mhz
my 965 c2 needs a tad more volts, but this is at least intel burn test and 1hr occt stable.
i wouldnīt go for high ram mhz if i was u. try pushing that cpu, thatīs far more important than 1800 cas6...
not stable but just for fun 16.692s
btw... i experienced that ht sync flood error thing today.
i flashed to 1.8b3 a while ago and today when i fired up firefox my system froze.
no bsod.. just a reboot showing a post screen with the ht sync flood error message.
this means going back to rock stable 1.6b3 for me.
Well i have played with this board for 3 days straight trying to get memory over 1760 mgz thinking its my chip, and now i find there are others with this board stuck at 1760 mgz :down: at least its not my chip :clap:, so this board has problems, i have tried 10 bios and none of them will allow over 1760 mgz. I have tried 1.3 1.5 1.6 etc no luck, and get alot of sync flood errors ?????. Lots of frozen screens out of nowhere to.
The thing i dont understand is Msi Max hit 1872 in his review of this board in the first few pages, and i think Chew hit 1800+ but aint seen it since, this board has been a real struggle to get stable to, im not AMD expert, but i had another AMD board recently and was not a problem getting it stable, time to move on from this board its eating my time up and im getting nowhere. I used to like Msi back in the NF4 days, ohhh well just my 2cents worth.
I'm not sure that it's the board's fault. Simply some kits work fine in one mobo and don't work in an another. This is an usual thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by neo mike
the sync flood errors are a problem of all bioses up from 1.7.Quote:
Originally Posted by neo mike
why do u want more than 1600mhz ram, just because others do it?
didnīt i show u that ur 1700mhz cl6 isnīt as fast as my 1600mhz cl7? ;)
Is it bad to want over 1800 mgz for benching ?:shrug: i understand the performance things for 24/7, im talking i want 1800+ on ram for benching period.
Guys,
Is this ok for my overclock
790FXGD70 955BE@ 3.9Ghz v1.42 and NB @ 2800Mhz v1.35 & DDR3 1600DC 9-11-11-24 1T ?
My temps are ok ?
idle cpu around low 41-45 and load 51-57
I would try to reduce the memory timing as at the current setting it's not really worth it as a lower clock with tighter timings will give better performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by rakesh27
are my voltage ok for CPU and NB ?
They look ok
itīs not bad... but, what if u can get better scores with lower frequencies?Quote:
Originally Posted by neo mike
i wouldnīt call it bad, just a lil ridicolous.
did u delete ur screenshot? i canīt see it anymore... is this what u call benching?
btw.
bios 1.8b4 is out
http://msi-forum.de/index.php?page=T...295#post730295
- Change ACPI module for new AGESA.
- Fixed NV platform some CPU run wrong HT speed.
- Fixed HT Link Frequency overclock hang when set EC Firmware to Special.
- AMD DA-C2 CPU Unganged Mode support only and Shaded item.
- Follw EUP request to set PCI/PCIE PME to disabled.
- Add "JFP2 Power LED Function".
maybe this fixes the ht link sync flood errors.
You saying you going to get better scores with 1600 cas 6 vs 1800 cas 6 ? i donttttttttt thnk so.
I am trying that new bios out now then we will se if it fix that sync flood error
well.. on ur screenshot u had 1700+ mhz cas6 and it was slower than my 1600 cas7. ok i had maybe 30mhz more on the cpu, but thatīs what u really should be concerned of. why looking for high ram clocks when ur cpu is holding u back?Quote:
Originally Posted by neo mike
u still think 1800 is worth it?
Yes to answer your question, my cpu is not holding me back im on air, max i will get is 4.2 4.3 for benching, for 24/7 you aint getting over 4gz without water cooling. Yes 1800 cas 6 will when benching give better scores in like everest :rolleyes:, why are you so against 1800, i dont like the fact this board wont do it, some are saying it will, i want someone to show me it will, if not i will change motherboards.
Lest face this is XS FORUMS its about being xtreme isnt it ?
LOL because some of us just WANT to try to run 1800 mostly for benching why we spent the coin on the ram, and to try it on low volts so we can run it 24/7 at as near 1800 as we can cas 6, the only way that 1600 cas 7 can b faster then 1800 Cas 6 is if the NB/imc clocks r WAY low on the cas 6
Dragon
then get xtreme and get some proper cooling and stop whining about the board doesnīt do 1800...Quote:
Originally Posted by neo mike
it does 1800, with proper cooling on the cpu, a cpu that is capable of handling this speed imc wise, and last but not least the right ram.
thatīs all iīm saying. why spend hundreds of $ on ram when ur not willing to cool ur cpu properly, so u can really push it and actually be able to use the bandwidth 1800mhz ddr3 delivers in more than just everest?
Im not whinning, your the one with the bad attitude :shrug:, i have the proper ram and cpu and i dont need water cooling to get to 1800. If its about spending money ? then why even build your own computer ? if your going to cry about money for ram and parts, buy a sony or compaq computer already made.
Have you even heard of evererst, i happen to like everest, and higher ram clocks with low cas, and high cpu clocks help with super pi to, im done with this.
The new beta bios is better than the 1.8B3 but does still get the Sync Flood error some times
I think the sync flood error comes with a high overclock, has anybody told msi about this issue, that many bios and still sync flood :down:
Mad, these boards shouldn't need extreme cooling to reach 1800 cas anything
Dragon
It comes at 3.8ghz also it is when i puch the hole system aka NB HTT 4xHD5770 cards then it just reboots and say sync flood error
Ok i finally cracked 1800 cas 6 on this board, and now we have that out of the way.
What voltage Mike? Anything strange that was holding it up?
Getting any closer to finding a board for 24/7? I'm still using the gigabyte board with the G.Skill PI stuff from my sig. This MSI isn't a very friendly board to try to play with.Quote:
Originally Posted by neo mike
I kinda like this board, its a bit tougher to get stable than the gigabyte thats for sure, still playing with it, findout what it can, and cannot do.
I think that screenshot you got there wasn't stable, was it? Try better cooling and you'll be able to bench it.
Curious what volts you threw at it.
Good to see you finally achieved it though. :up:
Well it was semi stable, but i was just trying to get to 1800, i had to use 1.75 v. I can only boot into windows at 1760, i had to use the MSI overclock dial, you set the memory speed in the bios, then it dont apply it until your safely into windows, which is a very cool feature. Can you boot 1800 into windows on your board ?
the dial lol, i forgot about that, was it stable tho? like 1m stable or?
Dragon
I'm having an odd problem with this board, it wont pick up a Killer Xeno Pro card, the card works fine on P6T Deluxe V2 and Crosshair III. I've tried a variety of BIOSes including the latest 1.84, all the same. The closest match to the problem I could find was the same problem on an ASUS board, solved by a BIOS update.
Other than changing to the ASUS board and redoing the overclock does anyone have any ideas or maybe a link to the 1.84 BIOS?
Yeah, tried that, MSI emailed it to me, same result. Anyone else had this problem.
The PCI-E slots work fine with other cards, the cards (I tried 2 Xenos) work fine n other boards.
I changed the board for a Crosshair III as I can't afford to wait for them to get a Xeno and test/fix it. Seems like every system I do with 790FX gets changed like this one way or the other!
I have a hyper transport sync error problem??
Just moved from BIOS 1.4 to 1.7
I have a 4890
everything was fine, now im getting lockups every 10 mins screen freezes, not sure if its the board, some driver issue :shrug:, definitly a buggy board and bios.
i have same problem with 1.7B7, but only with X2 Radeons! :(Quote:
Originally Posted by almighty15
on the moment when Vantage should start first game test, system crashes! (Win7 X64)
I've had mine for a week and if it doesn't start to play ball it' being sent back.Quote:
Originally Posted by neo mike
Guys I want to flash my BIOS back to a version earlier then 1.7 but I don't have a USB stick or a floppy drive.
Any ideas??
you can download a bootable cd image and use ultraiso to copy the required files.
unfortunately I can't link bootdisk.com's flashcd.iso, because they are charging 4$ for accessing the files :down:
18b4 bios is good, seems like one of the best ones so far from what i have tested, my lockup problem has gone away, seems like a good bios.
Man been there done that, Bigfoot support said the board mfg. did not implement proper pci-e standards, or it would work! I put the xeno in my Gigabyte rig and it worked fine... All that work and worry, and my ping and game play was not changed and xfire and msn messenger did not work with xeno either.. RMA'd the xeno :(Quote:
Originally Posted by initialised
I am running bios 1.8b4 and get the Hypertransport error too. I went back to 1.6 and it still crashes, but just doesn't show the error--so still no dice!
Is this a board issue or graphic drivers? Will try 9.12's today!
Not sure what causes that sync flood error, i think i read on the msi forum that its graphics related, but 184 bios is best one yet for me.
Well I hope the 9.12's fix it then!! :)
Ok my problem is fixed!! Was my memory!! RMA these puppies back to the egg!!!
My memory is fine and I get the error!Quote:
Originally Posted by 337
Mine still does it but not as much as the 1.8b3 bios and it does it wit 3 diff sets of ram
i have 1.7 from the msi site and havent had the error, with a lot of crashes while benching with higher clocks/htt/volts, etc :shrug:
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Originally Posted by almighty15
Here is some reading on the hyper transport sync floode error.
http://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=133367.0
bored so i broght my scope home to test how clean the power delivery is under heavy load.
going to run prime etc etc watch the ripple on all voltage read out points
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/7249/pict0345.th.jpg
good stuff, seems i get hella vdroop under load, interested to see what you find out
funny thing i noticed using 1.b7 is when oc and changin volts if it hangs i got volt spikes on my cpu and nb
red is cpu blue is nb green is ram
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFg4RnzttRs
What bios you running for daily use ?
yikes
im using 1.8b3 in my main rigQuote:
Originally Posted by neo mike
What is that Solarity stuff?:)Quote:
Originally Posted by msimax
http://www.solarityotc.com/Quote:
Originally Posted by Oliverda
so what is the best BIOS to use?? this board sounds like a real pile of crap
Quite the opposite, actually. The only real complaint for this board is the occasional flaky BIOS. The problem is it isn't consistent. There really isn't a BEST BIOS. Most people are happy with 1.8b4 but many are content with an older BIOS. Its more of a what BIOS works best for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by breakfromyou
Flakey indeed thats for sure, i have tried them all, 184b works best for me, but still needs improvment, there is 15 bios for this board, you would think 1 would be a stand out, im in the process of returning my board, there are better board choices in my opinion.
Without testing the crosshair 3 I would say the GD70 is the best out of the boards i tested, hence why I got behind it supporting it as best i can. I find peoples expectations are usually more of the issue than the board under performing.
There is 1 bios you guys have not seen for this board, i will ask MSI is it could be released to the forums, its an oldie but a goodie although its totally manual and VERY VERY hard to tweak...it does allow you to set what the board may need or your ram may need though. One bad thing is it was released well before C3 was available..
Its designation is 000, it was officially released to around 4 people after 2 of those testers asked for specific items to be added.
Don't push or PM me, i will ask MSI and respect the NO if that is what they give, if they say yes I will add it to the list of bios files over on the OCZ forum
sounding nice there tony
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by msimax
I haven't found any HT Sync Flood Errors since moving to 1.8b3. 1.6 didn't give any problems whatsoever either.:up:
It's 1.7 to stay away from if you know what's good for you.:down:
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Originally Posted by Tony
Your intitled to your opinion on the the board Tony, and i know you know 50 times more than i do about this board and overclocking. My question is why would we have to go to a secret msi bios nobody even has heard of or knows how to get it ?:shrug:. Why cant MSI just make a couple of solid bios for this board that are known to people, so we dont have to try 15 different ones.
You read this thread and you come out wondering still what bios to use, the only recomendation i have had is 1.3b6, its a decent bios but that bios gives me random lockups, thanks for your input Tony. I like the board and layout, like the bios feautures, but most all the bios are buggy, there are several complaints about this board and there the bios issues.
For me the board is rock-solid... The one and only problem I have is that since BIOS 1.5b2 and forward I can't clock my NB:shrug: abit over 2400mhz is a BIOS wall I can't pass, but while booted I can easily push it to 3000mhz stable...
Before version 1.5b2 I could easily boot from 4100mhz CPU/3000mhz NB without a problem but something happened after that version and now booting at anything above ~2400mhz is impossible
Well I tend to agree that it is a good board, but msi just have not got the bios going. I am at 1.8b4 and still can't get my ram stable at 1600. 1333 cl6 is geeat runs well. But 1600 fails prime 1 second after it starts. And the computer does not crash. Prime just stops with errors. This at no oc on cpu or cpu nb
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Originally Posted by mav2000
I have hit 3000 nb like 1 time, very hard on this board to hit 3000 nb. The problem is as nice as the layout is, and all the hype, what makes a good board after layout is BIOS and how well it overclocks and stability, MSI needs major bios work on this board, and for me i look at it like this board has been out for quite some time, and still buggy bios.
Who knows, when they get to near final bios it may rock, but the way its going with as many bios that have been released and there still very buggy it dont look like it. You look at the post your C3 results, Best ddr 3 for AMD, there are some sweet clocks in those threads, i dont recall seeing any from this board, there mostly all from Crosshair iii and Gig UD5P, now why is that.
Some swear by this board, some dont like it, everybody is intitled to there opinion, but onething is for sure there are bios issues.
Pretty well said Mike. The fact that MSI keeps pumping out BIOSes for the board says something. It means that 1. MSI acknowledges that the BIOS still needs work and 2. MSI is committed to supporting this board as best as they can. Whether or not they ever release that "best BIOS" in the near future, I'm not sure. I personally don't have the CPU/RAM/Cooling to push super serious levels of overclocking so for now, I'm pretty content.Quote:
Originally Posted by neo mike
I'll be interested to see if their new 890FX GD70 is plagued with BIOS inconsistencies as well or if it picks up where the 790FX left off and finds it itself stranded as King of AMD boards for 2010.
Well MSI to me used to be a great motherboard company back in the 939 days and around then, i used many MSI boards and loved them. They sort of dropped out of competition for some years , and now they have new package labeling and are trying to get back in the game from what i have read and see.
I like the board and i really wish they had there act together, so maybe they just dont have the greates bios writting guys working for MSI, i dont know. I know now there really trying to get the little bugs out, and probally not really worrying about overclocking, but thats what is going to sell this board to guys like us on here, is a solid overclocker and good rep that follows the board. I guess we see where it goes.
we get it, you dont like the board... :p:
personally ive never had a problem with it what so ever. with just air ive have had my c2 @ 3860mhz 2600nb 24/7 for the entire time i owned it, switched to c3, did 30 min. of prime for simon @ 4100mhz & 4200mhz, ran 3dmark06 w/ 345ht multiple times, ran 3dmark06 @ 4335mhz 2800+nb w/ ram over 1600mhz 7.7.7.24, etc (24,000 on air ;) ). and have never had a problem. im using bios 1.7 from the site and have never had sync flood, and have been running my c3 @ 4014mhz 2676nb ram is 1486mhz c7 since i got it and have screenshots of this mobo passing prime with hella different settings around 4000mhz/26-2700nb/1600c7ram. personally i love the board :shrug:
Ok we get it YOU like the board. I like the board, i dont like the buggy bios, and im running my ram much higher than yours, maybe you can share you volts for your 24/7 use, would love to see if i can pass prime. I have had loads of sync flood errors, but im guessing your not doing high benching with yours, but would love to see your settings, i havent given up all the way on it yet. Dont mean to be a complainer i just feel that with all the bios that are out, there would be one where there saying HEY GUYS 1.66c.... is great, but that aint the case, seems like everybody is asking everybody else what bios is good, and there is no solid answer, ok im done.Quote:
Originally Posted by crazydiamond
Well Mike hope to see you around here still to help with any input from your experiences with the board. You didn't own it for long but I know you put a lot of testing time into it.Quote:
Originally Posted by neo mike
Thanks for your help diamond, i have 2800nb 1720 cas 6 4.0 cpu 30 mins prime stable see if it holds up.
Curious anybody taken off the NB heatsink on this board and replaced the thermal paste with some good stuff, does that heatsink come off easy ?
Flawl i did take back my board to FRYs and got my money back, but i picked this board up off here barely used for a very good deal, so im going to play with it some more. Alot of it im sure is my lack of experience with AMD, understanding all the voltages etc, but im learning with help from XS members and playing around, i do have a pretty solid clock for 24/7 but i need to let it run prime for more than 30 min, tonight i let it run 3-4 hours to be sure is rock stable.
We are finally getting some cold weather here is So Calif, its been like 52 at night, definitly not helping me get some good clocks, tonight will be in the 30s so should help alot. Those east coast and europe guys have the advantage of really cold air they can cash in on.
No its not ure lack of udnerstanding...this bord does have some bios issues...solid board, great looking, but ram clocking is a problem...i just worked my ram on a giga 790fxt and it worked great, with the same settings that i was using on this board...but on the msi, 1600 is difficult..I know others have done it, bbut this is what I am facing.
well maybe I'm just lucky, but 1600 cl7 is a piece of cake for my low-end corsairs :up:
Thats whhat i am saying....something is not liking my rams on this board.....and they were tested extensively with msi...so I am really out of options...I can post some bios screens if u guys would like to help