Are you testing with a DMM, or going by cpuz or et6? The UD7 doesnt over volt using LLC1, but that is going by et6 and cpuz. I havent tested using a DMM.
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I have & wasnt sure about the reading, I went off one of the core chokes as Sin did & I got somewhere like .035 more on the DMM than set in bios at idle.
Anyway for the values I just mentioned they were from ET/CPU-Z which read the same for me.
So you are saying the UD7 you get what you set in bios in ET/CPU-Z under load with level 1?
here is the thing with that Vread point, its that it doesn't go through the capcitators, there is a voltage read point on the back of the board, but its on the back of the socket, that one is good for a O-Scope reading and shoudl be the same as the choke one with a DMM. There is another one where the error correction for e the PWM is, but that one you don't want to try to hit, its very hard to hit a pin/resistor nexto or on the PWM.
I found with prior BIOSes that LLC1 drops like 20mv under load from what you set so its pretty good. What I will do is do some more testing, but the choke is pretty good, and easy to hit while the PC is on.
I will do some testing tonight becuase I have time. CN what is the new BIOS you used for the LLC testiong?
Even with older BIOSes Vcore was read low/high with cpu-z i forget which is was about a 20mv difference though from the real voltage.
I would appreciate it :up:
On the UD5 All bios's are the same that I have noticed anyway, but my above examples were on F6d. The .02 dif between bios set & windows should be an easy fix the other .025 on top of the .02 dif is a bit much but increases even more if you use normal vcore + dvid this is the biggest problem imo.
Whilst we are on the subject of voltages could you DMM your CPU PLL read point & check that against what you have set. I am getting 3.34v at your read point on the UD5 & the layout/components look the same so dont think its the right point or its dif on UD5.
load 1.36??
That's what I'd expect Level 1 to do from my experience with other boards the first load line 1/2's intel droop the 2nd eliminates it if not a tiny bit under or over.
Have you tried vid to normal & add voltage dvid to get 1.38 in windows then put it under load? Looks like power saving will work ok level 1 on the UD7 as its not over shooting voltage like the 5.
The read points aren't a problem really as you only got to check then once against software.
dinos stated that easy tune didn't work in xp to adjust bclk just tried with latest intel management soft installed and you can adjust bclk in xp no help to me as i hit the frequency wall with mine at 5388 only needs 1.5volt but won't post even at 5mhz higher even though i can do 3d06 at 5388
it works i just didnt know about management software requirement at the time matey
:) yeh dinos they are weird these sandies eh, i still can't get my head round how i can do 3d06 at 5388 but can't even post at 5mhz higher and when i try to adjust bclk in etune at the speed just freezes , ok at lower cpu clock its just a solid wall, not like on others where you could do 06 at a certain frequency then 05 03 a boit higher aqua a bit higher and 01 the sup pi 1meg a bit higher its just a solid wall
c-n your right about that one for sure I had to get a lesson from OC NUB on this now my rigs run higher voltage on llc1 but lower loads im set at 1.430 now and on load i droop to a 1.392 . . . but i never have boot problems no moreQuote:
Level 2..... forget it it spikes so much the rig reboots under load!!
Oc nub i think voltages are pretty much on point since we all have about the same voltage droop at llc1Quote:
I have 1.390v set in bios, idle in cpuz and et6 it reads 1.380, load will drop to 1.56v using LLC1.
finally got around to installing second 480gtx, and now with a 480 in slots 1 and 3 and a raid card in slot 4 it shows one of my gtx's running in 8x.
the gtx480's each appear to have a different bios. one is a galaxy, one is EVGA.
no that is correct. One will run at 16x the other at 8x. There are only 32x PCI-E lanes, so when you put a third device into a PCI-E 8x slot you take away 8x from one 16x slot.
lol, and all this time i thought it was 16-16-8 Oh well.
I wasnt worried about one of the gpu's at 8 for now, but had planned to go quad, (two dual gpu cards), and then 16 would be needed.
Can I still run something in the PCIE x1 slot? I got an extender coming.
I'm guessing no since that would be 33 lanes?
I run 24/7 @ 5.0MHz info as follows, if I run LL1 in bios from 1.48v - 1.54v overclock will fail.
What I'm saying is BSOD in windows & or bios not loading, reboot fails all the time.
If I run LL2 with 1.48v set in bios, when I get into windows it reads 1.50v & underload 1.52v but it's 100% stable.
LL2 works great for me, hope this helps...
Wha my cpu may be degrade..... i previous bench 5.4 @ VCore 1.60 . . . . .. . now 5.4@ 1.63 not stable
Is that 1.60 LOAD voltage of 1.60 BIOS voltage? What was the voltage at load/droop?
Because if that's 1.60 at LOAD, then no wonder that cpu degraded. Everyone has been warning about degradation at such high voltages...you haven't seen the notices about that?
Even Sin and C-N have seen degradation at voltages like that.
1.60v was considered dangerously high (if not on sub-zero) even for a 65nm...
What were you benching at 1.60 (programs?)
How long did you bench in total (estimated total time the CPU was running at 1.60v?)
Were you running Prime 95 or linpack at those voltages?
This information may help others avoid that mistake....
You have to set vcore to normal & add voltage using dvid... e.g if you need say 1.3v under load & your vid/normal is 1.2 you need to add .1 using dvid.
Be a little careful with setting these voltages UD7 looks better then 5 but I get more of a voltage overshoot under load than I do just setting vcore & level1... also vid moves about depending on core speed so not always 1.2v & its this I am moaning about on UD5....
Edit....
Thanks Sin that mos leg was right & measures .03 more than set in bios so well worth checking.
Seeing as there have been a few BIOS floating around lately what BIOS have people found to be the msot stable. At the moment the F7 BIOS is by far the most stable i have tested.
Unfortunatly it doesn't allow PLL overvolting, but i'm only running 4.5Ghz 24/7 so it doesn't matter.
Is f7e still the best overclocking BIOS?
C-N im having boot loops and takes a lot of time to enter bios after i start setting CE1 and EIST (shold i use CE2 etc ? ) and put NORMAL and set dvid... my LOAD vcore is 1,392-1,404 and vid its 1,2550 but happens that sometimes its shows 1,37 so last time i put 0,0100 more and ended on 1,5, then when it showed again 1,2550 was low...so im kinda lost
i see that setting DVID also its very different with LLC1 doesnt drop so much
i will keep on trying laterz as i hate those reboots
cheers
Sergio
That's the same sort of issue I have with the UD5, if normal vcore would stay put I'm sure I could get it running all be it with a tad more voltage than needed. If you want to use it keep messing about but I have given up with mine its just not good & reliable enough imo.
Good to confirm its not just me with the extra voltage using normal/dvid & Level 1
... and some time DVID is not respected at all and you lose stability.
Ye its not good but with the exception of one chip in this thread that is suspected of meeting the jigawatt perly gates I dont think vcore will kill these things as I said before my 2500K has had 1.7v + level 1 on the UD5 with 1.9v+ VDimm through it for several days & it still runs great.
see this C-N its very hot here and i was idling at 35 look with EIST/ and CE states enabled just that
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cheers !
Sergio
Hmmm started testing all-core stability and found out I had a bad thermal paste and cpu cooling mount with Corsair H50-1 !
With Corsair H50-1 with MX-3 thermal paste at 4.8Ghz 1.356v load with Prime95 blend test, Realtemp v3.67 and HWInfo32 reported 82-85C load temps about +42C delta above cpu idle temps!
When I went to remove the H50-1 to check the thermal paste contact, it was still hard like and didn't cover entire IHS. So I wiped the MX-3 off, and applied some softer MX-2 and did a remount and what a difference! Corsair H50-1 with MX-2 thermal paste at 4.8Ghz 1.356v load with Prime95 blend test, Realtemp v3.67 and HWInfo32 report 31-35C idle and 55-63C max load temps which is about +24-28C delta above cpu idle temps. A full 22C cooler under load !
Guess I need to do some more testing :D
Morale of the story - check your cpu mount and tim contact!
Update:
As explained here, after remounting Corsair H50-1 with proper mount and thermal paste contact, I managed to a bit more stability when it comes to all core benchmarking i.e. wprime 1024M at 5.2Ghz 1.490v bios (1.512v idle while ET6 reports 1.50v) windows was passable. But stil this Core i7 2600K L038A660 is hitting a ceiling at 5202Mhz on Gigabyte P67A-UD7 F8x bios.
5215Mhz was max validation and benchmarks below at 5202Mhz 1.512v idle.
5215Mhz 1.512v idle
4GB Corsair Dominator GT 2000C7
@2139Mhz 7-7-7-24 1.74v
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5202Mhz 1.512v idle
4GB Corsair Dominator GT 2000C7
@2134Mhz 7-7-7-24 1.74v
Super Pi 32M
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Aida64
http://fileshosts.com/intel2011/giga...io2/aida64.png
MaxMem
http://fileshosts.com/intel2011/giga...io2/maxmem.png
Hexus Pifast
http://fileshosts.com/intel2011/giga...io2/pifast.png
WPrime v1.55 32M & 1024M
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got this from another site. its a good read on Mhz vs timings and how sandy bridge handles it.
http://techreport.com/articles.x/20377
You are welcome man, yea sorry about that, i went back to find the cpu pll read point from my review, and it read 3.3v, so i thought wait i remember always hitting that capacitor with my probe, so i tried it and i remembered, :banana::banana::banana::banana: its the leg lol.
Glad it worked for you, yea it seems the board overvolts it at stock even without CPU pLL overvoltage, but i think other boards do as well.
i love this UD7 and chip
going up little by little
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cheers all :up:
Sergio
Wow I'm jealous. You beat my score with a 470 at 990/1050 and 970 at 5.25GHz.
EDIT: Just noticed there are two 460's there. I'm a little less jealous now as you didn't beat me by much!
WHY?????? I CAN'T PUT CL7 IN MY MEMOOOOOOOOS
I have 2 kits of G.Skill 2x2GB DDR3-2200 F3-17600CL7D-4GBXHD Black XRipjaws 7-10-10-27@1.65V
When I put X.M.P. it says that will be 7-10-10-27, but puts 8-10-10-27!
And if I put manually 7-10-10-27 the PC don't boot... Is it possible by bad MB? I tried with 4 sticks individually....
ByE!
I cant do 8GB 7.10.7 either has to be 8.10.8 or no post.
Try 2 sticks in slot 2 & 4 7.10.7 & see how you get on
Timings like this should work if auto is a no go but its a good idea to slacken the subs equally like 4,8,16.... 5,10,20.... 6,12,24
Advanced Memory Settings:
System Memory Multiplier (SPD) ........................[ 21.33
Performance Enhance ...................................[ Standard / sets slack subs good place to start. You can set Turbo/Extreme if you have the subs dialed in manual... but makes no difference performance wise
DRAM Timing Selectable (SPD) ..........................[ Quick
Channel Interleaving ..................................[ Enabled
Rank Interleaving .....................................[ Enabled
Channel A Timing Settings:
##Channel A Standard Timing Control##
CAS Latency Time ......................................[ 7
tRCD ..................................................[ 10
tRP .................................................. .[ 7
tRAS ..................................................[ 27 need what you need to run
tRC .................................................. .[ 34 = tras + trp
tRRD ..................................................[ 4 could also try 5,6
tWTR ..................................................[ 4 could also try 5,6
tWR .................................................. .[ 8 could also try 10,12
tWTP ..................................................[ 19 = twr + twl + 4
tWL .................................................. .[ 7 could also try 8
tRFC ..................................................[ 78 need what you need to run
tRTP ..................................................[ 4 could also try 5,6
tFAW ..................................................[ 16 could also try 20,24
Command Rate (CMD) ....................................[ 1 should run but can try 2
IO Latency ............................................[ Auto runs fine but mine is always 2
Round Trip Latency ....................................[ Auto runs fine mine likes 34/35 on A & 35/36 on B but you will need to select DRAM Timing Selectable to expert to offset this.
You could also try a bit more voltage.
Hope this helps
Trying to crack 50k in 3dm05, dont think its gonna happen though. Thanks for the bios Sergio, it bumped my score a couple hundred points though. 2xPalit GTX460 1gb.
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Wow 460SLi beat my 6970 easy
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/8861/3dmark05.th.png
BTW C-N i tested and read voltage from teh back of the board where the tiny MLCC caps are, and its the same exact voltage for vcc as the leg on any of the chokes, so just use the legs on the chokes. Any the caps for o-scope
guys i finally received the mushkins redline 1600 C6 amazing mem
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/47/p1080464f.jpg
they run as a charm on
4805 HT ON 2133 7-10-7-27 1.66vdimm set on BIOS
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Gigabyte new utility:
Intel Extreme Tuning Utility 2.1.408.41
-Supports Intel P67/H67 chipset
http://download.gigabyte.us/FileList...tility_xtu.exe
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Very interesting Stasio, thanks!
Does it support voltage and clock adjustments, looks like it does?
I just installed,found some on:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIPnMaFgl5w
LMAO it works?
Lagging,but can adjust bclk,voltage and memory(with saved profiles) .
Thanks Stasio!
Looks like it might even support CAS Change in windows? That would be great if it does, if not hopefully at least the other memory settings can be changed until CPU-Tweaker gets updated.
You can change CAS latency on the fly now?
I always thought this was one setting that could never be soft changed...as in any attempt at changing Cas would always cause an immediate full lockup? But maybe things have changed since back then...
Not sure yet, I'll have to test?
It won't work on XP though for anyone wondering.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=620
Stop presenting this as an gigabyte application,it works just find on my Biostar and on any P67 board.So this is not a Gigabyte application,it's from Intel ;)
Not worth much from what I can see anyway, change to Bclk needs reboot, so us Gigabyte users might as well stick with easytune anyway.
@Falkentyne
No go as expected, it asks for a reboot to change CAS too :D
Nobody really said it was, Stasio said Gigabyte new utility meaning Gigabyte have a new utility in the utility download section.... this tool has been available for weeks on the Intel site but I suspect GB probably had to make some changes.... maybe to get the boards to monitor stuff properly hence the later version on the GB site than the Intel site.
I for one thank Stasio for his posts without his work I would have to go hunt for stuff on my own..... all day...... & get no overclocking done :D
Looks like great settings for 24/7!
How you like the Ridgeback quality, nice isn't it?
You can probably do 6-10-6 with the same voltages, did you try yet?
Glad to hear you like them!
Ya, when you get bored try 6-10-6, might need a bump to QPI or Vdimm though.
Congrats on the new ram Sergio. They clock very good on this board.
I am using the same kit, they are more stable then my gskill 2133's. I was getting bsod's after every cold boot and would have to reset all settings in bios to get it to run stable again, I couldnt figure it out. Once I switched memory out the problem stopped. Maybe I got a bad kit of gskills idk.
hey guys, aiming for 24/7 OC, wath do you think?
I have bin running this about 5:30 hours and then i got 1 error.
but i'm using this OC for three days now without any problems.
I couldn't find the template but these are my settings;
multi 49x
cores ALL
Hyper threading Enabled
C1 Auto
Eist Auto
Thermal monitor Disabled
Voltage's
LLC Auto
Vcore Normal
Dvid +0.115v
Qpi 1.050
Agent Auto
PCH 1.050
PLL 1.800
Dram auto
not finetuned yet onlu Dvid, i just set manualy the rest on what i tink was stock:)
rest that i dident mention is al on auto.
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/3194/f8x5.png
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Simple question: will enabling EIST + C settings make a computer slower when using it? What I mean is: when the computer needs more CPU power, is that power there instantly, or do we lose some because of e.g. the reaction time etc to give higher performance?
I tired andresergios settings worked really well , i hit with everything and couldn't tell it was throttling power , but temp was much coolerQuote:
Simple question: will enabling EIST + C settings make a computer slower when using it? What I mean is: when the computer needs more CPU power, is that power there instantly, or do we lose some because of e.g. the reaction time etc to give higher performance?
2600k have alot going for them ;)
Guys anyone of you beside OC nub and me tested that Window SP1 needs more volts to get it stable ? it also scores more GFlops that NON SP1
i been trying to find out who else tested it, big sorry if someone else on other thread or anywhere on the forum did but i would like to know
Regards
Sergio
thanks,
Trie prime95 26.4 from what i discovert is that it droops the vcore by 0.012 more then Linx does with avx. So thats why i think prime95 does a better job of stressing sandy.
Easy Tune6 (Intel) B11.0110.1
http://download.gigabyte.eu/FileList..._et6_intel.exe
ola Sergio, do you mind posting your settings please?
:up:
Not sure, all I know is I have 4 x 2GB sticks (only need 4GB) but thought I'd give 8GB a go one day & found channel B booted/worked easy with 7.10.7 & channel A needed a little work. As I don’t need the 8GB I didn’t bother looking into it further but did run the day with 8GB 8.10.8 so at least 8GB runs.
One thing I have noticed since as a result of reading another thread (Dino post) was tfaw on auto appears to allow some settings to boot that manual wont. Or at least manual up to 32 wont post & run so easy, I can’t find any performance benefit lowering tfaw anyway so no problem leaving it auto.
Dont think its a UD7 problem as I'm on a UD5
If you work it out let me know please.
Guys im testing W7x64 SP1 RTM FINAL
needs from 1,45 set on bios stable to 1,47 to get it stable again
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/7623/capturaes.png
4805 HT ON
mem is very tight at 2133 7-10-7-27 1T trfc 74
summer here very hot no Air Conditioner
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http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/8...7linxx5oks.png
SP1 final some words
more Gflops :up: at same problem size NON SP1 :up:
best performance feels much faster :up:
needs more vcore :down: due to de optimization on mem but welcome if it handles mem better :up:
cheers to all
Sergio
Good job got my fingers crossed that this extra gflops is not a flaw and that we see some actually performance on the front and just not in numbers . . cause as is windows 7 is pretty fast to me and my core doesnt need alot of voltage , out of all Id like to see a new media player update even though I use classic :) nice timings
I cant even boot with my super talents 2000 without 8cl 1.7 vdimm and 1.18 vtt and all slots filled with 4 x 2 8 gigs of ram grrrrrrr oh well , is that much ram even neededQuote:
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Originally Posted by C-N View Post
I cant do 8GB 7.10.7 either has to be 8.10.8 or no post.
Try 2 sticks in slot 2 & 4 7.10.7 & see how you get on [...]
Yeah! With 4GB (2GB in slot 2 and 2 more on slot 4) worked!
But I want to know... why can't with 8GB and 7-10-10-27? Where is the problem? UD7? BIOS? P67?
Thx!
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Anyone having trouble with that ''4E'' boot failer error. Now and than i get this anoying error/bug and than i can't boot at the same seed withs runs fine before.
For example my cpu runs 4914mhz @ 1.356 prime stable for 5;30 hours.
Than when i got the 4E reading on the debug ledpost than it won't boot what so ever. Even at 4914mhz @ 1.44.
Then i reboot a few times, in some cases 2 and some times 4 and load my saved cmos file in the bios, and then with luck (because it dosent work every first time) i can boot at 1.356 @ 4914mhz again.
I don't get it exactly, it seems if my bios is possessed or something.
I think your failure to boot is something to do with PLL overvoltage.
I've never seen issues like that if PLL is disabled.
If you're bored, try a test.
Try 100x45, 1.3v. PLL disabled.
See if you can boot and change various settings like bclk 99.8 to 100.3, and a few random settings in the bios, like vcore 1.3-1.32, HT on/off, etc.
Works fine, right?
I even saw a failure to boot when I was at 100x40 and all I did was change PLL to enabled. (kept saying OC failure and powering off after POST). Took like three three tries for it to stick...
man its so difficult for me to enter bios settings i have a X6 MS keyb USB and when i hit DEL if she likes it she lets me in if not reboot loop or turn off and on then freezes, i just hate this thing
its just random, sometimes it boots without any trouble @ 4914 1.35 prime stable.
But sometimes i get a bootfailure ''due to overclocking'' and than the debug post is showing 4E and than it won't even boot at 4600 1.35 as before 4914mhz.
i have set my PLL at 1.8 manualy, so i dout it wil be that, just can't beleave it. Its like an old diesel some times it starts right up and a copple of times it just hangs on 4E error/bug, i also first thougt my cpu was already degrading, but its just and bug that occurs mostly when overclock fails.
edit: sometimes i can trigger it manualy.
- first boot into windows with a most high stable overclock
- than push the resset button wile in windows.
- as soon as you wil reboot again (and my gues is true) you won't be albe to boot at the same maximum stable frequentie as before.
@ andressergio
don't know i'm running through SVID (auto) the same settings i posted a page back of my 24/7 OC.
It's funny you guys talk about the reboot issues, I found a way around is reload bios default values reboot & go back into bios re-enter overclocking.
Works for me when the bios hangs...
I think everyones trying to aviod setting up the OC again. Otherwise you could just hit clear cmos and start over without the boot loops. For me its really not a loop like on the UD3P p45, that was endless, this has a pattern, normally you can look at post codes and see what its going to do. I get 4E and hangs, sometimes twice, next it makes it to 70 and restarts, then to 75 allowing me into the bio
I'm talking about the "PLL overvoltage" setting. This has nothing to do with the PLL voltage and doesn't affect the pll reading either. Sin measured it and the pll voltage measurement is unaffected by the CPU PLL Overvoltage setting. The cpu pll overvoltage setting allows higher multipliers to work, but causes strange OC failures, even at stock settings that would be fine with it disabled. But you need it enabled on some cpus to get high multipliers to work like 48+.
ive testted a few CPUs and one of them in particular needs to boot with a lot more vcore than it needs in windows to be stable so for example if it was a 1.35v prime stable chip id need it going into windows at 1.4
maybe try that on your system and see if your chips is like that