ASUS Maximus II Formula - new P45 king?

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09-20-2008, 11:36 PM
turtletrax

With DDR2 prices such as they are, being cheap makes very liittle sense. Many 2x2 kits that OC quite well at low volts can be had for around $100 or less. These are primium ICs and lifetime warranty.

Cheaping out on ram for a $300 board is a big mistake IMHO
09-21-2008, 02:01 AM
Lloyd

Quote:

Originally Posted by turtletrax

With DDR2 prices such as they are being cheap makes very liittle sense. Many 2x2 kits that OC quite well at low volts can be had for around $100 or less. These are primium ICs and lifetime warranty.

Cheaping out on ram for a $300 board is a big mistake IMHO

Totally agree
09-21-2008, 04:26 AM
vaderat-at

Quote:

Asus definitely need to revise the software and fix the bugs, the poor quality of asus software is legendary.

Asus really need to bring out a new bios too, that corrects the inability of D9 GMH/GKX ram to overclock past 1210 MHz, I have sticks that do 1333+ MHz but I can't get them over 1210 on this board no matter what. Also the low FSB should be addressed, as at the moment, the P5Q-Deluxe is better than this board in every way doing 590 FSB on 1.26 vNB (whereas the M2F maximum FSB is around 560 using 1.30 vNB) and being able to clock ram above 1350 MHz.
Asus better fix these issues with the next bios release or the M2F will become a legendary failure, as it is being outclassed by boards 30% cheaper than it (P5Q-D, DFI P45 Dark Plus etc).

Is that possible with a Bios update?
09-21-2008, 04:49 AM
CryptiK

Yes, you can markedly improve a board's ability to overclock ram, increase its compatibility with ram (AFAIK D9JKH is officially supported but not D9 GMH/GKX) and better optimize other areas. Look at how much the new Gigabyte boards have improved with bios updates - one bios wont allow ram to clock over a certain speed no matter what is done, the next bios and the ram boots straight up at that speed and will go much higher.

Also, Ket's modified bioses are allowing much better ram overclocking compared to the standard asus bioses for the P5Q series boards. The bios makes a massive difference.

I just think Asus have been slack with the Maximus II Formula, and as a result it is clearly being beaten by the P5Q-Deluxe, a workstation board by comparison, which according to the M2F's 'ROG' label and higher price tag, should not be happening.

BTW, what vFSB/vNB are you running for 555 FSB stable?
09-21-2008, 06:13 AM
SiGfever

Quote:

Originally Posted by CryptiK

Yes, you can markedly improve a board's ability to overclock ram, increase its compatibility with ram (AFAIK D9JKH is officially supported but not D9 GMH/GKX) and better optimize other areas. Look at how much the new Gigabyte boards have improved with bios updates - one bios wont allow ram to clock over a certain speed no matter what is done, the next bios and the ram boots straight up at that speed and will go much higher.

Also, Ket's modified bioses are allowing much better ram overclocking compared to the standard asus bioses for the P5Q series boards. The bios makes a massive difference.

I just think Asus have been slack with the Maximus II Formula, and as a result it is clearly being beaten by the P5Q-Deluxe, a workstation board by comparison, which according to the M2F's 'ROG' label and higher price tag, should not be happening.

BTW, what vFSB/vNB are you running for 555 FSB stable?

If ASUS wants to continue to market these ROG boards they had better step up to the plate and address these issues. You would think for the cost of these boards they would have their top bios engineers keeping these boards on top.
09-21-2008, 06:16 AM
GeorgeVasil

Quote:

Originally Posted by CryptiK

Also, Ket's modified bioses are allowing much better ram overclocking compared to the standard asus bioses for the P5Q series boards. The bios makes a massive difference.

Have you tried the modded 1307 for Μ2F?
09-21-2008, 06:23 AM
Nunzi

Wher can u get the modded bios1307?
Thanks
09-21-2008, 06:46 AM
SiGfever

Hey guys I need your help. I was Prime95 "Blend" stable 2 hours with bios 701 and I flashed up to 1307 and it craps out in a matter of minutes now. Here are my settings, please look them over and make some suggestions. I am not trying to hit real high numbers just 3.7 for my daily machine. This chip is a "C0" revision and not the best clocker by any means. This is the machine in my sig.
Thanks.

PHP Code:

Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual OC From CPU Level Up: Auto Ratio CMOS Setting: 8.5 FSB Frequency: 436 CPU Clock Skew: Normal NB Clock Skew: Normal FSB Strap to North Bridge: Auto DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1047MHz DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: Auto DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: Auto DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: Auto DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: Auto DRAM Timing Control: Manual 1st Information: CAS# Latency: 5 DRAM Clocks DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5 DRAM Clocks DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5 DRAM Clocks DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15 DRAM Clocks RAS# to RAS# Delay: Auto Row Refresh Recycle Time: 55 DRAM Clocks Write Recovery Time: Auto Read to Precharge Time: Auto 2nd Information: Read to Write Delay (S/D): Auto Write to Read Delay (S): Auto Write to Read Delay (D): Auto Read to Read Delay (S): Auto Read to Read Delay (D): Auto Write to Write Delay (S): Auto Write to Write Delay (D): Auto 3rd Information: Write to PRE Delay: Auto Read to PRE Delay: Auto PRE to PRE Delay: Auto All PRE to ACT Delay: Auto All PRE to REF Delay: Auto DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled DRAM Read Training: Auto MEM. OC Charger: Auto Ai Clock Twister: Auto Ai Transaction Booster: Manual Common Performance Level: 10 Pull-in of CHA PH1: Disabled Pull-in of CHA PH2: Disabled Pull-in of CHA PH3: Disabled Pull-in of CHB PH1: Disabled Pull-in of CHB PH2: Disabled Pull-in of CHB PH3: Disabled PCIE Frequency: 101 CPU Voltage: 1.4250 CPU PLL Voltage: 1.61925 FSB Termination Voltage: 1.37825 DRAM Voltage: 2.14450 North Bridge Voltage: 1.35175 South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: 1.50 South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: 1.12650 CPU GTL Reference (0): Auto CPU GTL Reference (1): -45mv CPU GTL Reference (2): Auto CPU GTL Reference (3): -45mv NB GTL Reference: Auto DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: Auto DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: Auto North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto CPU Configuration: Ratio CMOS Setting: 8.5 C1E Support: Disabled Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled Intel Virtualization Tech: Disabled CPU TM Function: Disabled Execute Disable Bit: Disabled Load-Line Calibration: Enabled CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
09-21-2008, 06:50 AM
Grnfinger

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeorgeVasil

Have you tried the modded 1307 for Μ2F?

It was my understanding Ket was doing P5Q bios only atm.
can you provide a link?
09-21-2008, 06:51 AM
Grnfinger

Quote:

Originally Posted by SiGfever

Hey guys I need your help. I was Prime95 "Blend" stable 2 hours with bios 701 and I flashed up to 1307 and it craps out in a matter of minutes now. Here are my settings, please look them over and make some suggestions. I am not trying to hit real high numbers just 3.7 for my daily machine. This chip is a "C0" revision and not the best clocker by any means. This is the machine in my sig.
Thanks.

going back to 701 is your rig stable again with same settings.

Why are you running PLL so high? I doubt it need to be set so high, I'm running 1.5 ( bios ) for 3.9GHz 459x8.5

DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 55
Write Recovery Time : 6
Read to Precharge Time : 3

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 8
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6

Write to PRE Delay : 14
Read to PRE Delay : 5
PRE to PRE Delay : 1
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : 5
ALL PRE to REF Delay : 5

CPU Voltage : 1.35
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.50
FSBT : 1.33850
DRAM Voltage : 2.12
North Bridge Voltage : 1.39150
South Bridge Voltage 1.5 : 1.5
South Bridge Voltage 1.1 : 1.1

my :2cents:
09-21-2008, 06:58 AM
CryptiK

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeorgeVasil

Have you tried the modded 1307 for Μ2F?

Yes, I'm the one who asked him to do it for me by special request. It did help, I gained an extra 40MHz of stable ram speed. It didn't allow me to do what I was hoping for (650 MHz +) but there was definitely an improvement.

His modded bios also supports more cpu's than the latest M2F bios.

Gimme a minute I'll find the link for you Grnfinger.

EDIT - here: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=358

Quote:

Originally Posted by SiGfever

Hey guys I need your help. I was Prime95 "Blend" stable 2 hours with bios 701 and I flashed up to 1307 and it craps out in a matter of minutes now. Here are my settings, please look them over and make some suggestions. I am not trying to hit real high numbers just 3.7 for my daily machine. This chip is a "C0" revision and not the best clocker by any means. This is the machine in my sig.
Thanks.

So just to clarify, every setting is the same, but it is no longer stable using bios 1307? I'd also like to know if going back to 701 gets you stable again at the same settings.
09-21-2008, 07:15 AM
Grnfinger

Thanks for teh link, maybe 4.0GHz is going to happen after all.
09-21-2008, 08:00 AM
SiGfever

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grnfinger

going back to 701 is your rig stable again with same settings.

Why are you running PLL so high? I doubt it need to be set so high, I'm running 1.5 ( bios ) for 3.9GHz 459x8.5

DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 55
Write Recovery Time : 6
Read to Precharge Time : 3

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 8
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6

Write to PRE Delay : 14
Read to PRE Delay : 5
PRE to PRE Delay : 1
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : 5
ALL PRE to REF Delay : 5

CPU Voltage : 1.35
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.50
FSBT : 1.33850
DRAM Voltage : 2.12
North Bridge Voltage : 1.39150
South Bridge Voltage 1.5 : 1.5
South Bridge Voltage 1.1 : 1.1

my :2cents:

Yes it was stable with 701 bios. I raised the PLL voltage and that helped me get to 3.72. I will try lowering it and try your settings.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CryptiK

Yes, I'm the one who asked him to do it for me by special request. It did help, I gained an extra 40MHz of stable ram speed. It didn't allow me to do what I was hoping for (650 MHz +) but there was definitely an improvement.

His modded bios also supports more cpu's than the latest M2F bios.

Gimme a minute I'll find the link for you Grnfinger.

EDIT - here: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=358

So just to clarify, every setting is the same, but it is no longer stable using bios 1307? I'd also like to know if going back to 701 gets you stable again at the same settings.

All settings the same. I went back to 701 and ran large FFT's but have not run "blend" yet. I felt that my settings were too high for the OC reached.
09-21-2008, 08:08 AM
Grnfinger

Quote:

Originally Posted by SiGfever

Yes it was stable with 701 bios. I raised the PLL voltage and that helped me get to 3.72. I will try lowering it and try your settings.

All settings the same. I went back to 701 and ran large FFT's but have not run "blend" yet. I felt that my settings were too high for the OC reached.

Something you might want to try is a positive value for GTL's.
I ran the correct values for my setup -50 or something like that and coudnt get 2 cores stable.
Adjusting to a positive value
ie +30 +20 +20 +30 got my chip stable fast and allowed me to lower PLL to its min, and vcore was also lowerd 2 notches.
Not saying its going to work but its worth a shot?
09-21-2008, 09:07 AM
GeorgeVasil

Quote:

Originally Posted by CryptiK

Yes, I'm the one who asked him to do it for me by special request. It did help, I gained an extra 40MHz of stable ram speed. It didn't allow me to do what I was hoping for (650 MHz +) but there was definitely an improvement.

His modded bios also supports more cpu's than the latest M2F bios.

Gimme a minute I'll find the link for you Grnfinger.

EDIT - here: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=358

Thanks for the info!

Have you mentioned any Memory Read/Write/Copy Improvement compared with the original BIOS (1037)??(like the P5Q BIOS-es)
09-21-2008, 09:38 AM
CryptiK

TBH not really that i noticed however I wasn't looking for that, just attempting to raise the max mem speed achievable.
09-21-2008, 12:58 PM
FuryPT

So people, Maximus II Formula or P5Q Deluxe? I am going to buy tomorrow one of them! The mems will be the OCZ Platinium 8000 2x2gb
09-21-2008, 01:09 PM
vaderat-at

Quote:

BTW, what vFSB/vNB are you running for 555 FSB stable?

vFSB=1.24575
vNB=1.28550
09-21-2008, 01:30 PM
xzulu

Quote:

Originally Posted by FuryPT

So people, Maximus II Formula or P5Q Deluxe? I am going to buy tomorrow one of them! The mems will be the OCZ Platinium 8000 2x2gb

The P5Q Deluxe is also a good board. But if you've got the extra cash to spend, then get the Maximus II Formula. :up:

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Lately I've got a couple of BSODs! Then everytime it reboots my HDD isn't detected. Noticed the problem was with the SATA cable. I was using the L-type that came with the board...it's nice and soft for bending alright...but dang was to soft i guess.:down:

Replaced them and used my trusty black Foxconn SATA cables....:up:
09-21-2008, 02:26 PM
SiGfever

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grnfinger

Something you might want to try is a positive value for GTL's.
I ran the correct values for my setup -50 or something like that and coudnt get 2 cores stable.
Adjusting to a positive value
ie +30 +20 +20 +30 got my chip stable fast and allowed me to lower PLL to its min, and vcore was also lowerd 2 notches.
Not saying its going to work but its worth a shot?

I tried some settings from one of your posted OC's. It failed core 1 after 52min runtime. Here are the settings.

PHP Code:

Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual OC From CPU Level Up: Auto Ratio CMOS Setting: 8.5 FSB Frequency: 436 CPU Clock Skew: Normal NB Clock Skew: Normal FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333 DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1047MHz DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: Advance 300ps DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: Advance 300ps DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: Advance 300ps DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: Advance 300ps DRAM Timing Control: Manual 1st Information: CAS# Latency: 5 DRAM Clocks DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5 DRAM Clocks DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5 DRAM Clocks DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15 DRAM Clocks RAS# to RAS# Delay: Auto Row Refresh Recycle Time: 55 DRAM Clocks Write Recovery Time: Auto Read to Precharge Time: Auto 2nd Information: Read to Write Delay (S/D): Auto Write to Read Delay (S): Auto Write to Read Delay (D): Auto Read to Read Delay (S): Auto Read to Read Delay (D): Auto Write to Write Delay (S): Auto Write to Write Delay (D): Auto 3rd Information: Write to PRE Delay: Auto Read to PRE Delay: Auto PRE to PRE Delay: Auto All PRE to ACT Delay: Auto All PRE to REF Delay: Auto DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled DRAM Read Training: Auto MEM. OC Charger: Auto Ai Clock Twister: Stronger Ai Transaction Booster: Manual Common Performance Level: 10 Pull-in of CHA PH1: Disabled Pull-in of CHA PH2: Disabled Pull-in of CHA PH3: Disabled Pull-in of CHB PH1: Disabled Pull-in of CHB PH2: Disabled Pull-in of CHB PH3: Disabled PCIE Frequency: 101 CPU Voltage: 1.4250 CPU PLL Voltage: 1.50 FSB Termination Voltage: 1.33850 DRAM Voltage: 2.12 North Bridge Voltage: 1.39150 South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: 1.50 South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: 1.10 CPU GTL Reference (0): +20mv CPU GTL Reference (1): +10mv CPU GTL Reference (2): +10mv CPU GTL Reference (3): +20mv NB GTL Reference: Auto DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: Auto DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: Auto North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto CPU Configuration: Ratio CMOS Setting: 8.5 C1E Support: Disabled Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled Intel Virtualization Tech: Disabled CPU TM Function: Disabled Execute Disable Bit: Disabled Load-Line Calibration: Enabled CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
09-21-2008, 02:51 PM
Grnfinger

Quote:

Originally Posted by SiGfever

I tried some settings from one of your posted OC's. It failed core 1 after 52min runtime. Here are the settings.

Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
OC From CPU Level Up: Auto
Ratio CMOS Setting: 8.5
FSB Frequency: 436
CPU Clock Skew: Normal
NB Clock Skew: Normal
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1047MHz

DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: Advance 300ps
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: Advance 300ps
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: Advance 300ps
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: Advance 300ps
DRAM Timing Control: Manual

1st Information:

CAS# Latency: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15 DRAM Clocks
RAS# to RAS# Delay: Auto
Row Refresh Recycle Time: 55 DRAM Clocks
Write Recovery Time: Auto
Read to Precharge Time: Auto

2nd Information:

Read to Write Delay (S/D): Auto
Write to Read Delay (S): Auto
Write to Read Delay (D): Auto
Read to Read Delay (S): Auto
Read to Read Delay (D): Auto
Write to Write Delay (S): Auto
Write to Write Delay (D): Auto

3rd Information:

Write to PRE Delay: Auto
Read to PRE Delay: Auto
PRE to PRE Delay: Auto
All PRE to ACT Delay: Auto
All PRE to REF Delay: Auto
DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
DRAM Read Training: Auto
MEM. OC Charger: Auto
Ai Clock Twister: Stronger
Ai Transaction Booster: Manual

Common Performance Level: 10
Pull-in of CHA PH1: Disabled
Pull-in of CHA PH2: Disabled
Pull-in of CHA PH3: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH1: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH2: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH3: Disabled

PCIE Frequency: 101

CPU Voltage: 1.4250
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.53975
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.33850
DRAM Voltage: 2.12
North Bridge Voltage: 1.39150
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: 1.50
South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: 1.10

CPU GTL Reference (0): +30mv
CPU GTL Reference (1): +20mv
CPU GTL Reference (2): +20mv
CPU GTL Reference (3): +30mv
NB GTL Reference: Auto
DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: Auto
DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: Auto
North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto

CPU Configuration:

Ratio CMOS Setting: 8.5
C1E Support: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel Virtualization Tech: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled

Load-Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled

suggestions are in bold
09-21-2008, 02:57 PM
SiGfever

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grnfinger

suggestions are in bold

Thanks, I will try them now.
John
09-21-2008, 06:05 PM
Cable_Tie_Guy

Hello, I'm new here on XS.
I just got my M2F and I am loving it!

I have a QX6700 B3 65nm HEAT MONSTER, but this board is so good, that I can run it air cooler at:

3.5GHz 500FSB x7
3.8GHz 475FSB x8
3.6GHz 450FSB x8
3.6GHz 400FSB x9

This board can run 45nm quad's with 500FSB and 4GHz+ on good air and with water it can do more.

I am all air cooled, but I did the washer mod and AS5 on NB / SB.
When I first powered the board I had no windows, so I left it on the BIOS for 20 minutes to check temps, and this is what I got:

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/5835/mf2dof6.jpg

This is my system, I use it with the case closed.
I will soon post some pics of my overclocks with this great board!

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/7757/mf2aci5.jpg
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/4118/mf2bzo9.jpg
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/3493/mf2cyv4.jpg
09-21-2008, 06:52 PM
SiGfever

Well I modified my GTL's and so far (1.5hrs) I am Prime95 "Blend" stable @3.7. I will try to lower some voltage settings later to see if I can reduce them since the GTL's seemed to be better dialed in. Thanks Grnfinger for your help. :up:

Also thanks to "Nemesis", I used his GTL settings from an OC that he had posted.

PHP Code:

Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual OC From CPU Level Up: Auto Ratio CMOS Setting: 8.5 FSB Frequency: 436 CPU Clock Skew: Normal NB Clock Skew: Normal FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333 DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1047MHz DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: Advance 300ps DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: Advance 300ps DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: Advance 300ps DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: Advance 300ps DRAM Timing Control: Manual 1st Information: CAS# Latency: 5 DRAM Clocks DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5 DRAM Clocks DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5 DRAM Clocks DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15 DRAM Clocks RAS# to RAS# Delay: Auto Row Refresh Recycle Time: 55 DRAM Clocks Write Recovery Time: Auto Read to Precharge Time: Auto 2nd Information: Read to Write Delay (S/D): Auto Write to Read Delay (S): Auto Write to Read Delay (D): Auto Read to Read Delay (S): Auto Read to Read Delay (D): Auto Write to Write Delay (S): Auto Write to Write Delay (D): Auto 3rd Information: Write to PRE Delay: Auto Read to PRE Delay: Auto PRE to PRE Delay: Auto All PRE to ACT Delay: Auto All PRE to REF Delay: Auto DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled DRAM Read Training: Auto MEM. OC Charger: Auto Ai Clock Twister: Stronger Ai Transaction Booster: Manual Common Performance Level: 10 Pull-in of CHA PH1: Disabled Pull-in of CHA PH2: Disabled Pull-in of CHA PH3: Disabled Pull-in of CHB PH1: Disabled Pull-in of CHB PH2: Disabled Pull-in of CHB PH3: Disabled PCIE Frequency: 101 CPU Voltage: 1.4250 CPU PLL Voltage: 1.50 FSB Termination Voltage: 1.33850 DRAM Voltage: 2.13125 North Bridge Voltage: 1.39150 South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: 1.50 South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: 1.10 CPU GTL Reference (0): +20mv CPU GTL Reference (1):-15mv CPU GTL Reference (2): +20mv CPU GTL Reference (3): -15mv NB GTL Reference: Auto DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: Auto DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: Auto North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto CPU Configuration: Ratio CMOS Setting: 8.5 C1E Support: Disabled Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled Intel Virtualization Tech: Disabled CPU TM Function: Disabled Execute Disable Bit: Disabled Load-Line Calibration: Enabled CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
09-21-2008, 07:33 PM
Cable_Tie_Guy

First test with the aircooled QX6700 B3 65nm HEAT MONSTER!

3.2GHz 400FSB x8
2h prime95 blend

The NB is aircooled at 1.3v and it only goes to 34c under load!
Room temp is arround 22 - 23c I believe.

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/6329/mf2ens6.jpg
09-21-2008, 11:52 PM
Cable_Tie_Guy

QX6700 B3 65nm HEAT MONSTER!

3.6GHz 450FSB x8
All on air, 1h prime95 blend so far...

BIOS 1307, not tweaked with everything on AUTO, except:

vcore = 1.47v
NB = 1.4v
VTT = 1.32v

DDR2-1080 5-5-5-18

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/1812/mf2fcw1.jpg

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Prime95 blend 2h stable now, and it is running with OCCT max load (infinite) CPU + 3D...
That OCCT gpu test is really crazy!
My 8800ultra core is now 80c+ with that thing running on full screen. I am running with the case closed, so the heat from the GPU is killing my CPU temps now...
As I am air cooling the QX6700 B3 65nm HEAT MONSTER, I think it is close to its limit now. Temps are high.

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/4162/mf2gql5.jpg
09-22-2008, 02:30 AM
CryptiK

Just mucking around with it today:

500FSB, CellShock GKX @ 600 MHz CL 5
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...2F500-1200.jpg

539 FSB, CellShock GKX @ 1078 CL 4
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...DDR1078CL4.jpg

570 FSB (can't go any higher with this board although CPU does 590 FSB on same vcore on P5Q-Deluxe
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i.../M2F570FSB.jpg
09-22-2008, 07:04 AM
Cable_Tie_Guy

3.5GHz
500FSB
DDR2-1200 5-5-5-18-2T

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/2927/mf2hnm7.jpg
09-22-2008, 01:49 PM
d3885u

Is there anyone of you can pass the FSB 600 please...???
I'm still waiting for my Maximus II Formula coming soon...hopefully tommorow I could testing my M2F...and when I read about the thread and sharing posting...any reason why Asus Maximus II Formula didn't match the expectation for a R.O.G series motherboard...???
Why Asus is a more looks like "abbandoned" the M2F and the other P45 chipset...altough on the other side...Biostar,DFI,and Gigabyte looks like they succeed to create "THE FSB MONSTER..."
about the "bug" and the other "disfunction" about max FSB wall and the max RAM spd...Is it because of the BIOS, (coz I think the BIOS from ASUS is still looks so "premature"...) or because the limitation from the motherboard it's self...???Or maybe because Asus had the "defective" chipset of P45...???Thx 4 your sharing and the explanation 4 me...
09-22-2008, 05:59 PM
CryptiK

I have no idea why this board doesn't perform as well as the P5Q-Deluxe, nor do I understand why there has not been sufficient bios development to keep it competitive. You are correct in saying Gigabyte seem to have done a much better job than Asus regarding bios development for their P45 boards, with 600 - 650 FSB being easily achievable and also they have great ram overclocking ability.

The maximus II formula is absolutely terrible at ram overclocking, I cannot get it to do DDR 1220 CL 5 no matter what. This is equivalent to the max on the Asus P5Q-E, a low-end board compared to this so called 'high-end' ROG board. My P5Q-Deluxe benched the same kit of ram at 1333 and I could load windows at 1380 and POST at 1400 using only 2.3v!

I cannot explain it, this board is supposed to be high end, hence it's 'ROG' classification and massive price tag, yet my P5Q-Deluxe (and everyone else's - go look at the P5Q-Deluxe thread for more examples) is better at FSB overclocking and way better at ram overclocking. The M2F also takes more vNB to run a given FSB and PL (tRD) compared to the P5Q-Deluxe. on the M2F it took 1.37v vNB to load windows at 570 FSB and it was very unstable, whereas I could bench 3D etc at 572 FSB at only 1.26 vNB on my deluxe.

Unless they can make this board at least as good as the P5Q-Deluxe at both FSB (620+) and ram overclocking (1300 - 1400+) then this board should stayed away from. Sure it can do average clocks and average FSB, but it is no fun, and definitely not deserving of its 'high end' classification.

Needless to say, when my P5Q-Deluxe returns from RMA, I will be changing straight back to it and getting rid of the maximus II formula.
09-22-2008, 06:19 PM
turtletrax

Seems every Asus board I go to I get a kick in the jaw. This is pathetic at best.

If I cannot get 4.5Ghz 24/7 out of my E8400 I will most likely sell this board and move on. TOo bad really, this board sure looks the part.
09-22-2008, 06:59 PM
Cable_Tie_Guy

Maximus II Formula
1:1 (400FSB / DDR2-800)
PL8

So, is PL8 possible with 1:1 on MF2, or it is because of the low freq mem?

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/2274/mf2ilq8.jpg
09-22-2008, 07:25 PM
kwalker

PHP Code:

Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual OC From CPU Level Up: Auto Ratio CMOS Setting: 8.5 FSB Frequency: 444 CPU Clock Skew: Auto NB Clock Skew: Auto FSB Strap to North Bridge: Auto DRAM Frequency: DDR2-943MHz DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: Auto DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: Auto DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: Auto DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: Auto DRAM Timing Control: Manual 1st Information: CAS# Latency: 5 DRAM Clocks DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5 DRAM Clocks DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5 DRAM Clocks DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15 DRAM Clocks RAS# to RAS# Delay: Auto Row Refresh Recycle Time: Auto Write Recovery Time: Auto Read to Precharge Time: Auto 2nd Information: Read to Write Delay (S/D): Auto Write to Read Delay (S): Auto Write to Read Delay (D): Auto Read to Read Delay (S): Auto Read to Read Delay (D): Auto Write to Write Delay (S): Auto Write to Write Delay (D): Auto 3rd Information: Write to PRE Delay: Auto Read to PRE Delay: Auto PRE to PRE Delay: Auto All PRE to ACT Delay: Auto All PRE to REF Delay: Auto DRAM Static Read Control: Auto DRAM Read Training: Auto MEM. OC Charger: Enabled Ai Clock Twister: Auto Ai Transaction Booster: Auto PCIE Frequency: 100 CPU Voltage: 1.3675 CPU PLL Voltage: 1.60600 FSB Termination Voltage: 1.35175 DRAM Voltage: 2.21075 North Bridge Voltage: 1.40475 South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: Auto South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: Auto CPU GTL Reference (0): Auto CPU GTL Reference (1): Auto CPU GTL Reference (2): Auto CPU GTL Reference (3): Auto NB GTL Reference: Auto DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: Auto DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: Auto North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto

Still a lot of auto going on here but this is the only settings I can get the ram to run 1066.
the bandwidth is better at 471 4GHz but The Dominators with other than Microns wont agree with this P45 chipset.
I broke my PC10000's :smoke: :censored:
I forgot to mention here that I'm running Vista 64 bit and 4X1gb pc8500's ......that makes a difference on how the ram responds
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/a...8_22-25-25.png

This screen shows the ram but bsod at reboot so I raised the NB voltage.
Seems ram is my issue and not CPU at all.
I toyed with the ref voltages and just about every other settings you can think of but no go on the ram OC without a latency change.
I'll post an update with different ram later.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/a...8_16-15-50.png
09-22-2008, 09:11 PM
CryptiK

Quote:

Originally Posted by d3885u

Is there anyone of you can pass the FSB 600 please...???

I'm pretty sure 600 FSB would take upwards of 1.6v vNB if it is even achievable on most M2F boards, unless it happens to luckily have a good clocking MCH. Even with 1.45v vNB my board is at its limit at 570 FSB, 572 FSB will not POST. I think it would take 1.45 - 1.5 vNB to stabilize 550 FSB in orthos/linpack. At 1.40v mine fails Orthos in 2 seconds at 550 FSB :rofl:

One guy (Solarfall I think his name was) did hit 600FSB, but he did not provide details of what vNB etc this required, nor his cooling setup.
09-23-2008, 01:13 AM
grifonemoloch

Quote:

Originally Posted by CryptiK

I'm pretty sure 600 FSB would take upwards of 1.6v vNB if it is even achievable on most M2F boards, unless it happens to luckily have a good clocking MCH. Even with 1.45v vNB my board is at its limit at 570 FSB, 572 FSB will not POST. I think it would take 1.45 - 1.5 vNB to stabilize 550 FSB in orthos/linpack. At 1.40v mine fails Orthos in 2 seconds at 550 FSB :rofl:

One guy (Solarfall I think his name was) did hit 600FSB, but he did not provide details of what vNB etc this required, nor his cooling setup.

Hi all! My first post on this thread, so greetings :)
Another user managed to be stable at 570FSB with bios 603, this is the screen he linked in his post (the post is on page 20 of this thread, first post of the page)

http://spacemaster.sx-team.com/Testo...like/E8500.JPG

I'm going to put a Q9550 and some G. skill RAM soon on this board, i will let you know my results

Bye ;)
09-23-2008, 04:01 AM
CryptiK

Thanks for that, I've been trawling the thread and I also found a guy who got 555 FSB Orthos stable. There is, however, definitely a consensus that the board isn't capable of much more than 600 FSB (607 is the highest I've seen).

I have a theory on that though. The board is not able to clock ram to 610 MHz, as I have extensively tested this with kits capable of 675 MHz+ . It can do 600 MHz, but I cant get 605 orthos stable. This would mean that 610 FSB would not be stable either, and around 600 - 610 FSB would be the absolute limit of the board.

I am sure that the MCH is limiting me though, as if I try 570 FSB on 1.32v vNB, it wont POST, but if I increase vNB to 1.35v it wil post but isn't stable, and I gain some (very little) stability by increasing that further to 1.40v. Above 1.40v it gains me nothing. Loosening PL to 13 from 10 allows it to POST at 1.32 vNB but it wont load windows, however I should not have to go higher than PL 10 at less than 600 FSB. Furthermore I have confirmed this CPU does 590 FSB on a deluxe at the same vcore (1.33v).

EDIT - I also do not know where/how Solarfall got bios version 603, all i can find is 604. I have tried 1307, 701 & 801 and all of them had the same limits, but 1307 recovers from a failed overclock properly, whereas the older bioses do not, requiring a power off at the PSU switch.
09-23-2008, 06:02 AM
GaBBa-Gandalf

Did u tried the modBIOS 1307?
09-23-2008, 06:14 AM
CryptiK

Yes, I'm the guy that asked Ket to mod it for me and was the first to try it out :D It didn't help my max FSB though. I really hope there is a new 'improved' bios released soon.
09-23-2008, 06:27 AM
GaBBa-Gandalf

could u tell me please which changes has this "new" bios?
09-23-2008, 06:29 AM
CryptiK

You mean what Ket changed in the 1307 mod bios? He added additional cpu support, and replaced the M2F memory table with the P5Q-Premium memory table. He may have made other small changes too that I'm not aware of.
09-23-2008, 06:36 AM
GaBBa-Gandalf

ok... sounds interesting.. maybe i should test this mod bios...
Did it works fine?
09-23-2008, 06:55 AM
CryptiK

Yeah absolutely, Ket's good at what he does, no problems at all, and I was able to overclock the ram a little higher too.
09-23-2008, 10:06 AM
d3885u

Wow..that's great...where I can get the BIOSmod version is?
And sorry maybe I have some question to you Cryptik...Is there any different when you use the RAM slot at 1&3 comparing with slot 2&4...???
Which is the best between two dual channel option is?thx...
09-23-2008, 10:41 AM
64dragon

i just joined the M2F club :) I received my board today and am currently replacing the stock TIM. I think Asus has figured out that theres issues with the nb being hot, the back of my board has 3 of their washers on it at the 2 nb screws.
09-23-2008, 11:37 AM
unex|st

Quote:

Originally Posted by CryptiK

I have no idea why this board doesn't perform as well as the P5Q-Deluxe, nor do I understand why there has not been sufficient bios development to keep it competitive. You are correct in saying Gigabyte seem to have done a much better job than Asus regarding bios development for their P45 boards, with 600 - 650 FSB being easily achievable and also they have great ram overclocking ability.

The maximus II formula is absolutely terrible at ram overclocking, I cannot get it to do DDR 1220 CL 5 no matter what. This is equivalent to the max on the Asus P5Q-E, a low-end board compared to this so called 'high-end' ROG board. My P5Q-Deluxe benched the same kit of ram at 1333 and I could load windows at 1380 and POST at 1400 using only 2.3v!

I cannot explain it, this board is supposed to be high end, hence it's 'ROG' classification and massive price tag, yet my P5Q-Deluxe (and everyone else's - go look at the P5Q-Deluxe thread for more examples) is better at FSB overclocking and way better at ram overclocking. The M2F also takes more vNB to run a given FSB and PL (tRD) compared to the P5Q-Deluxe. on the M2F it took 1.37v vNB to load windows at 570 FSB and it was very unstable, whereas I could bench 3D etc at 572 FSB at only 1.26 vNB on my deluxe.

Unless they can make this board at least as good as the P5Q-Deluxe at both FSB (620+) and ram overclocking (1300 - 1400+) then this board should stayed away from. Sure it can do average clocks and average FSB, but it is no fun, and definitely not deserving of its 'high end' classification.

Needless to say, when my P5Q-Deluxe returns from RMA, I will be changing straight back to it and getting rid of the maximus II formula.

I totally agree with you, I spent some nights trying to get the max out of my 2x2gb PC8500 Dominators and I found that MIIF couldn't go any higher than my old P5B deluxe. Stock frequencies needed less voltage, but this is not exactly what I'm expecting from this board.

I played for hours with the "advanced settings" but I always ended up leaving them on auto. The only improvement was by delaying 100ps on B1 slot.

I found the best divider to be 3:4, all others were less stable or unable to boot (even @ PL 10). I found also some fsb holes, I can do a 420MHz stable but 421 won't post, with 430MHz back stable again. The same was for 450MHz, with the system becoming bootable again at 460MHz.

The only setting which actually made me gain some fsb MHz was tWTW_S. Loosening it from 4 to 5 I got about 7/8MHz without almost no bandwidth loss. Clock twister settings were again a no go: no noticeable bandwidth gain from light to normal and no boot with strong/stronger (even at stock DRAM frequencies).

I didn't try pull-in settings, but I don't think they would make the situation look different..
09-23-2008, 01:10 PM
Cable_Tie_Guy

Quote:

Originally Posted by unex|st

I totally agree with you, I spent some nights trying to get the max out of my 2x2gb PC8500 Dominators and I found that MIIF couldn't go any higher than my old P5B deluxe. Stock frequencies needed less voltage, but this is not exactly what I'm expecting from this board.

I played for hours with the "advanced settings" but I always ended up leaving them on auto. The only improvement was by delaying 100ps on B1 slot.

I found the best divider to be 3:4, all others were less stable or unable to boot (even @ PL 10). I found also some fsb holes, I can do a 420MHz stable but 421 won't post, with 430MHz back stable again. The same was for 450MHz, with the system becoming bootable again at 460MHz.

The only setting which actually made me gain some fsb MHz was tWTW_S. Loosening it from 4 to 5 I got about 7/8MHz without almost no bandwidth loss. Clock twister settings were again a no go: no noticeable bandwidth gain from light to normal and no boot with strong/stronger (even at stock DRAM frequencies).

I didn't try pull-in settings, but I don't think they would make the situation look different..

That is strange... I am happy with my M2F...
I can post with strong / stronger settings on any FSB / MEM / Ratio / Clock.
I can do DDR2-1200 with any BIOS I try...
I can do PL8 with 1:1 divider too, and boot with 400 strap if needed.

M2F let me overclock my quad with less volts then any other board I know.
And it is 500FSB stable on my quad, and I am all aircooled LOL!

All I did was the washer mod, and applied AS5 on NB and SB.
Without crazy volts, my NB is always below 38c on load. With crazy volts like 1.5v, it is always under 42c under load.

I am stable with a 65nm QX6700 (2.66GHz / 266) B3 HEAT MONSTER aircooled at:

7x500 = 3.5GHz
8x475 = 3.8GHz
8x450 = 3.6GHz
9x400 = 3.6GHz

I can post on 4GHz but it won't even load windows without insane volts.

If the board is doing 3.8GHz with a 65nm B3 (LOL) I bet with a good 45nm quad, this board can do 4.0 - 4.2GHz stable on air, and with a good water system, 4.2 - 4.5GHz.

With a good 45nm dual, it should be possible to be stable aircooled @ 4.3GHz or more.

This is a great board.

500FSB with 65nm B3 Quad and DDR2-1200 CL5
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/2927/mf2hnm7.jpg

3.6GHz 450FSB with B3 Quad aircooled stable 24/7
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/1812/mf2fcw1.jpg

My rig
http://i38.tinypic.com/10xr1j7.jpg

Lapped stuff:
http://i33.tinypic.com/n9a49.jpg
09-23-2008, 01:22 PM
Grnfinger

Quote:

Originally Posted by CryptiK

Yes, I'm the guy that asked Ket to mod it for me and was the first to try it out :D It didn't help my max FSB though. I really hope there is a new 'improved' bios released soon.

I found his bios did nothing for my setup, no FSB improvement and no bandwidth improvement. I was hoping for a tref adjustment to improve badwidth sadly no.
09-23-2008, 07:22 PM
CryptiK

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cable_Tie_Guy

That is strange... I am happy with my M2F...
I can post with strong / stronger settings on any FSB / MEM / Ratio / Clock.
I can do DDR2-1200 with any BIOS I try...
I can do PL8 with 1:1 divider too, and boot with 400 strap if needed.

M2F let me overclock my quad with less volts then any other board I know.
And it is 500FSB stable on my quad, and I am all aircooled LOL!

All I did was the washer mod, and applied AS5 on NB and SB.
Without crazy volts, my NB is always below 38c on load. With crazy volts like 1.5v, it is always under 42c under load.

I am stable with a 65nm QX6700 (2.66GHz / 266) B3 HEAT MONSTER aircooled at:

7x500 = 3.5GHz
8x475 = 3.8GHz
8x450 = 3.6GHz
9x400 = 3.6GHz

I can post on 4GHz but it won't even load windows without insane volts.

If the board is doing 3.8GHz with a 65nm B3 (LOL) I bet with a good 45nm quad, this board can do 4.0 - 4.2GHz stable on air, and with a good water system, 4.2 - 4.5GHz.

With a good 45nm dual, it should be possible to be stable aircooled @ 4.3GHz or more.

This is a great board.

I can do 1200 on the ram easily too, I said 1210 was unstable and 1220+ was no go. Try 1220 - 1250 for me and see how you go. Other P45's can do 1250 - 1350 easily and the M2F just simply cannot.

Any P45 board will let a decent quad do ~500 FSB pretty much stable, it's nothing really, and 4.3 on a wolfdale is also a gimme with the right vcore.

I have tried both the P5Q-Deluxe and the M2F and I can categorically state the P5Q-Deluxe is way better. Guy with quads in the deluxe thread have also easily hit 500 FSB and have done 620 FSB+ on wolfdales with stock cooling on the NB with moderate (<1.32v) vNB.

Try this on your M2F, it simply isn't going to happen:

DDR1333 MHz dual channel 2.29v (real) @ 1.26v vNB:

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...memsetcpuz.jpg
09-23-2008, 11:30 PM
Cable_Tie_Guy

CryptiK,

Why da_hell am I going to do that?
You have there a DDR2-1333 CL5 at 444FSB, and you have 9K read and 60ns latency. That is so bad it hurts.

450FSB / DDR2-900 CL4 1:1 will do about the same bandwidth and latency you are doing on your P5Q with insane DDR2-1333 CL5.

Get real, you won't have more then 1-3% boost on any game going from reasonable DDR2 clocks, to insane DDR2-1333 like that.

So if I can have the same performance using DDR2-900 CL4 with 1:1 450FSB, why am I going for DDR2-1333 on this stupid P45 with PL limitations?

If you wanna talk BIG about memory overclocking, then show me something like this:

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/5...033341thm3.jpg

This was done about 18 months ago LOL!
That was DDR2-900 CL3 linked / sync on 680i. Used only 2.4v on mem.
Now, for those latency and bandwidth I fought.
P45 (any board) is not that good on latency / bandwidth, it has PL limitations. So there is absolute no reason to go for those clocks on ANY P45 board since the results are always bad.

If your thing is memory overclocking, you are for sure using the wrong board, been that a M2F or a P5Q-D.

Now we can talk about fsb limitations. That is fine. But don´t show me some DDR2-1333 on 9K read and 60ns latency on a P5Q like it is a good thing. This is a very very very bad thing. One of the worst performances I have ever seen on a high clocked DDR2. On my 680i I would beat that with DDR2-800 LOL.

And my quad is a 65nm B3 LOL. It is almost impossible to overclock it on air. What I did on this board with it is not that easy as you are saying.
My 45nm will arrive soon, then we will see what it can do on M2F aircooled.
09-24-2008, 12:51 AM
CryptiK

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cable_Tie_Guy

CryptiK,

Why da_hell am I going to do that?
You have there a DDR2-1333 CL5 at 444FSB, and you have 9K read and 60ns latency. That is so bad it hurts.

450FSB / DDR2-900 CL4 1:1 will do about the same bandwidth and latency you are doing on your P5Q with insane DDR2-1333 CL5.

Get real, you won't have more then 1-3% boost on any game going from reasonable DDR2 clocks, to insane DDR2-1333 like that.

So if I can have the same performance using DDR2-900 CL4 with 1:1 450FSB, why am I going for DDR2-1333 on this stupid P45 with PL limitations?

If you wanna talk BIG about memory overclocking, then show me something like this:

*pic removed*

This was done about 18 months ago LOL!
That was DDR2-900 CL3 linked / sync on 680i. Used only 2.4v on mem.
Now, for those latency and bandwidth I fought.
P45 (any board) is not that good on latency / bandwidth, it has PL limitations. So there is absolute no reason to go for those clocks on ANY P45 board since the results are always bad.

If your thing is memory overclocking, you are for sure using the wrong board, been that a M2F or a P5Q-D.

Now we can talk about fsb limitations. That is fine. But don´t show me some DDR2-1333 on 9K read and 60ns latency on a P5Q like it is a good thing. This is a very very very bad thing. One of the worst performances I have ever seen on a high clocked DDR2. On my 680i I would beat that with DDR2-800 LOL.

And my quad is a 65nm B3 LOL. It is almost impossible to overclock it on air. What I did on this board with it is not that easy as you are saying.
My 45nm will arrive soon, then we will see what it can do on M2F aircooled.

Like in my GTL+ Ref thread, you seem to be an expert in missing the point. I was saying the M2F has memory overclocking problems, and it cannot clock ram above 1210 MHz. I then gave an example of how high the P5Q-Deluxe can overclock ram. I wasn't 'talking big about memory overclocking'. I was comparing 2 similar boards ability to overclock ram in terms of speed achievable. It appears you also misunderstood what I did, thinking it was my '24/7' ram setting. It was a ram overclocking test, simply to establish what those sticks would do on less than 2.3v real.

You then belittle the result, saying you can beat the efficiency, bandwidth and latency using a lower ram speed & lower CL. When did I ever say that I was trying to achieve any of those things? I didn't, I said 'ram overclocking' which meant 'ram overclocking' and nothing more.

I am fully aware of the low efficiency and high latency of the P45 chipset compared to 680i nvidia platform and P35. You don't need to tell me something I already know.

Furthermore, you say I should be on a board that is absolutely renowned for killing D9 based ram to overclock my D9 based ram. I don't know what you're thinking suggesting that, as using a board that will kill my ram is not a smart choice by any stretch of the imagination.

In the ram overclocking threads, where the sole aim is speed at a given CL or voltage, do you see guys saying where is your efficiency? No, speed is the sole aim. That was my sole aim using the P5Q-Deluxe, and I achieved that with 2.29v real.

Let me give you some advice - If you want to use the know-it-all tone you consistently do, and 'talk big', perhaps wait until you have more than 24 posts to your name ;) Otherwise you will definitely develop a reputation as an annoying member, and so far you are going about that pretty well.
09-24-2008, 01:12 AM
mikeyakame

All I can say is DDR2-1333 on a P45 is simply amazing. Those symmetrical read/write/copy speeds are also amazing. Nice work Cryptik :D

Also mate off topic of that, roughly what Clock Skews on A1/A2/B1/B2 did you find you needed to use to get the D9s to push over 1200Mhz on the P5Q Deluxe. I played around briefly trying to get my mates D9s on his Dominator 1gb sticks to push above 1150 on his P5Q deluxe and at least on the bios we were using then (1101 or something along those lines it was) had all kinds of issues where it wouldnt post what so ever at that frequency. Didn't have nearly enough time to properly figure out the necessary skews to get it to post in the short time I had with the board.
09-24-2008, 02:02 AM
CryptiK

Thanks mate, I didn't think it was too bad for a P45 either, they can be a bit temperamental when trying to achieve high speed. I actually left all of the clock skews at 'normal' for that run - I was actually able to POST at up to 700 MHz with all skews set to 'normal' too. However I didn't have long enough with the board to really get to know it before I had to RMA it, so when I get my replacement back I will definitely be playing with it more extensively.
09-24-2008, 04:40 AM
CryptiK

I just figured out this board in relation to ram overclocking.

This is one of my CellShock PC 8000 CL4 GKX kits on 2.2v real

Everest 649.5 MHz:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...1300GKX22v.jpg

SPI 1M 649.6 MHz:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...22vSPI1M_2.jpg

I reduced the tRD (PL) and got some better bandwidth & lower latency:

Everest @ 651 MHz, tRD 6 @ 2.2v real
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...0GKX22vPL6.jpg

SPI1M @ 651 MHz, tRD 6 @ 2.2v real
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...2vSPI1MPL6.jpg
09-24-2008, 09:21 AM
ThugsRook

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cable_Tie_Guy

CryptiK,

Why da_hell am I going to do that?
You have there a DDR2-1333 CL5 at 444FSB, and you have 9K read and 60ns latency. That is so bad it hurts.

450FSB / DDR2-900 CL4 1:1 will do about the same bandwidth and latency you are doing on your P5Q with insane DDR2-1333 CL5.

Get real, you won't have more then 1-3% boost on any game going from reasonable DDR2 clocks, to insane DDR2-1333 like that.

P45 prefers speed over latency when it comes to gaming, CryptiK has it right.

only SuperPI cares about low latency, games do not. the sweet spot is CL555-15 PL10.
09-24-2008, 12:09 PM
elsupremo

Guys, need a little bit of help with my overclock. I have the following stuff:
QX9650 watercooled
2x 2GB Gskill DDR2 800
4870 X2
Auzentech DTS Xplosion

Since I've had this CPU, I've been at 4 Ghz, previously on the DFI P35 board. I'm having trouble getting everything perfectly stable on this board. By trouble, I mean: I can pass IntelBurnTest at maximum stress for 20 tests, and it will pass stable. I can do Orthos on all 4 cores Blend and small fft's for hours, and it will be fine. SuperPi stable. 3d Marks stable. However, sometimes doing random things, like repairing Par2 files and installing a game, or playing a game, for instance, USB's will start disconnecting and reconnecting repeatedly, and before I changed my RAM speed, it would even lock up.

At first, I tried 400 x 10, the settings from my last board. It will pass every stability test, but would still lock up sometimes. Then I tried 450 x 9, and the same thing. With both of those settings, I was trying 1:1 ratio on the RAM, keeping it low, around 800 (400) and 900 (450). However, when it locked up, I changed it to the current setting. I have not had a lock up since, making me think RAM was the issue for the lockups. However, I still have other stability issues: when I'm playing a fairly intensive game like Assassins Creed, sometimes after playing it for awhile, the USB's will start disconnecting and reconnecting (usually it's my fan controller that it disconnects and reconnects, not my mouse/keyboard). Also, sometimes it seems the PCI stuff gets messed up - my sound started losing synch., and being way behind what I was seeing on screen. It seemed possible my graphics got choppier too. It never froze up though.

I'm not sure what's going on and would like some help. I experimented once by giving 1.35v to NB & VTT, but after playing Assassins Creed for an hour or so, the NB heat built up to 66 degrees C, and it started locking up. It did not do the USB disconnecting though, or the weird PCI issues. I went down a lot (to 1.25V for NB & VTT) to avoid the heat issue, but have been working up slowly trying to make the USB & PCI issue go away. At my current setting, 1.31V for NB & VTT, it doesn't get much warmer than 55 degrees, but I'm still having the issue.

I'm using BIOS 0802.

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Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual OC From CPU Level Up: Auto Ratio CMOS Setting: 9 FSB Frequency: 450 CPU Clock Skew: Normal NB Clock Skew: Normal FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333 DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1081MHz DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: Auto DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: Auto DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: Auto DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: Auto DRAM Timing Control: Manual 1st Information: CAS# Latency: 5 DRAM Clocks DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5 DRAM Clocks DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5 DRAM Clocks DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15 DRAM Clocks RAS# to RAS# Delay: Auto Row Refresh Recycle Time: Auto Write Recovery Time: Auto Read to Precharge Time: Auto 2nd Information: Read to Write Delay (S/D): Auto Write to Read Delay (S): Auto Write to Read Delay (D): Auto Read to Read Delay (S): Auto Read to Read Delay (D): Auto Write to Write Delay (S): Auto Write to Write Delay (D): Auto 3rd Information: Write to PRE Delay: Auto Read to PRE Delay: Auto PRE to PRE Delay: Auto All PRE to ACT Delay: Auto All PRE to REF Delay: Auto DRAM Static Read Control: Auto DRAM Read Training: Auto MEM. OC Charger: Disabled Ai Clock Twister: Auto Ai Transaction Booster: Auto PCIE Frequency: 100 CPU Voltage: 1.525 CPU PLL Voltage: Auto (usually goes to 1.69) FSB Termination Voltage: 1.31 DRAM Voltage: 2.1 North Bridge Voltage: 1.31 South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: 1.51325 South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: 1.11325 CPU GTL Reference (0): Auto CPU GTL Reference (1): Auto CPU GTL Reference (2): Auto CPU GTL Reference (3): Auto NB GTL Reference: Auto DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: Auto DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: Auto North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto CPU Configuration: Ratio CMOS Setting: 9 C1E Support: Disabled Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled Intel Virtualization Tech: Disabled CPU TM Function: Disabled Execute Disable Bit: Disabled Load-Line Calibration: Enabled CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
09-24-2008, 12:18 PM
BlueAqua

I just wanted to let you guys know that you can switch the ROG symbol/Led around if you want it to align for an inverted atx setup. Also the red mosfet shields are removable too.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...a/IMG_2095.jpg

My thermal paste under the stock nb cooler was really poor too.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...a/IMG_2090.jpg
09-24-2008, 01:40 PM
Grnfinger

Quote:

Originally Posted by elsupremo

Guys, need a little bit of help with my overclock. I have the following stuff:
QX9650 watercooled
2x 2GB Gskill DDR2 800
4870 X2
Auzentech DTS Xplosion

Since I've had this CPU, I've been at 4 Ghz, previously on the DFI P35 board. I'm having trouble getting everything perfectly stable on this board. By trouble, I mean: I can pass IntelBurnTest at maximum stress for 20 tests, and it will pass stable. I can do Orthos on all 4 cores Blend and small fft's for hours, and it will be fine. SuperPi stable. 3d Marks stable. However, sometimes doing random things, like repairing Par2 files and installing a game, or playing a game, for instance, USB's will start disconnecting and reconnecting repeatedly, and before I changed my RAM speed, it would even lock up.

At first, I tried 400 x 10, the settings from my last board. It will pass every stability test, but would still lock up sometimes. Then I tried 450 x 9, and the same thing. With both of those settings, I was trying 1:1 ratio on the RAM, keeping it low, around 800 (400) and 900 (450). However, when it locked up, I changed it to the current setting. I have not had a lock up since, making me think RAM was the issue for the lockups. However, I still have other stability issues: when I'm playing a fairly intensive game like Assassins Creed, sometimes after playing it for awhile, the USB's will start disconnecting and reconnecting (usually it's my fan controller that it disconnects and reconnects, not my mouse/keyboard). Also, sometimes it seems the PCI stuff gets messed up - my sound started losing synch., and being way behind what I was seeing on screen. It seemed possible my graphics got choppier too. It never froze up though.

I'm not sure what's going on and would like some help. I experimented once by giving 1.35v to NB & VTT, but after playing Assassins Creed for an hour or so, the NB heat built up to 66 degrees C, and it started locking up. It did not do the USB disconnecting though, or the weird PCI issues. I went down a lot (to 1.25V for NB & VTT) to avoid the heat issue, but have been working up slowly trying to make the USB & PCI issue go away. At my current setting, 1.31V for NB & VTT, it doesn't get much warmer than 55 degrees, but I'm still having the issue.

I'm using BIOS 0802.

Way to much auto settings and way to high vcore and pll imo.
Auto settings are not the way to go on this board if stability is to be achived.
GSkills seem to like clock skew to really stabilize the rig, set them to advanced 300ps it will help alot,
Get trfc ( row refresh cycle time) off auto and set 55-60.

450x9 those GSkills should be able to run

DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
Dram Read Training : AUTO
MEM OC Charger : AUTO
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [8]

Your NB temp will also be an issue have you reseated it with AS5 or Ceramique? If not thats the first thing I would do.

My chip plays nice with a positive value for GTL's so you may need to adjust this to the correct value but I would start with this and adjust volts accordingly.

Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
FSB Frequency : 450
CPU Clock Skew : Normal
North Bridge Clock Skew : Normal
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1081
Dram Clock Skew CH1 A1 : Advanced 300ps
DRAM Clock Skew CH1 A2 : Advanced 300ps
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B1 : Advanced 300ps
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B2 : Advanced 300ps

DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 55
Write Recovery Time : 6
Read to Precharge Time : 3

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 8
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6

Write to PRE Delay : 14
Read to PRE Delay : 5
PRE to PRE Delay : 1
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : 5
ALL PRE to REF Delay : 5

DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
Dram Read Training : AUTO
MEM OC Charger : AUTO
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [8]

Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH5 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH5 Disabled

PCIE Frequency : 101

CPU Voltage : 1.35
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.50
FSBT : 1.33850
DRAM Voltage : 2.1
North Bridge Voltage : 1.39150
South Bridge Voltage 1.5 : 1.5
South Bridge Voltage 1.1 : 1.1

CPU GTL Reference 0 : +20mv
CPU GTL Reference 1 : +10mv
CPU GTL Reference 2 : +10mv
CPU GTL Reference 3 : +20mv
North Bridge GTL Reference : AUTO
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
North Bridge DDR Reference : AUTO

Load Line Calabration : Enabled
CPU Sread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled
09-24-2008, 01:58 PM
GeorgeVasil

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Some results from me..Still testing..

It seems to be stable for now (link pack& blend)..

Attachment 85795

the settings..

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Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual OC From CPU Level Up: Auto Ratio CMOS Setting: 8 FSB Frequency: 500 CPU Clock Skew: Auto NB Clock Skew: Auto FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333 DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1200 MHz DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: Auto DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: Auto DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: Auto DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: Auto DRAM Timing Control: Auto (For now) DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled DRAM Read Training: Enabled MEM. OC Charger: Enabled Ai Clock Twister: Moderate (For now) Ai Transaction Booster: Manual PL=8 and the First 2 Pull-in Enabled (Still Testing) PCIE Frequency: 100 CPU Voltage: 1.33 CPU PLL Voltage: 1.52X FSB Termination Voltage: 1.15XX DRAM Voltage: 2.25 North Bridge Voltage: 1.29 South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: 1.53X (I have Raid) South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: 1.13X (I have Raid) CPU GTL Reference (0): Auto CPU GTL Reference (1): Auto CPU GTL Reference (2): Auto CPU GTL Reference (3): Auto NB GTL Reference: Auto DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: Auto DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: Auto North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto CPU Configuration: Ratio CMOS Setting: 9 C1E Support: Disabled Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled Intel Virtualization Tech: Disabled CPU TM Function: Disabled Execute Disable Bit: Disabled Load-Line Calibration: Enabled CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
09-24-2008, 03:44 PM
Cable_Tie_Guy

CryptiK,

I don't wanna fight about this computer stuff because this is ridiculous...
I am sure you will agree with that too.

Let's start over then, and exchange our infos, and keep this health.

My point is the M2F can clock some ram at very low volts and with good REAL performance.

Check this out, I did't even tweak it. I just booted like this now.
The only bios setting changed were 5-5-5-15, the rest is on auto.

3.6GHz cpu only
450FSB only
DDR2-1080 5-5-5-15 at 1.86v REAL on Maximus II Formula:
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/6554/mf2lzt5.jpg

Now, compare that with your P5Q-deluxe DDR2-1333 5-5-5-15 at 2.29v and you will understand my point.
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...memsetcpuz.jpg
09-24-2008, 05:26 PM
ThugsRook

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cable_Tie_Guy

Check this out, I did't even tweak it. I just booted like this now. The only bios setting changed were 5-5-5-15, the rest is on auto.

it appears you are confusing Everest benchmark with actual performance. Everest benchmark does not represent real performance, especially on a P45 that could care less about Everest.

CL444-12 PL8 means nothing to a gaming rig, matter of fact itll prolly be slower.
09-24-2008, 06:04 PM
Cable_Tie_Guy

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThugsRook

it appears you are confusing Everest benchmark with actual performance. Everest benchmark does not represent real performance, especially on a P45 that could care less about Everest.

CL444-12 PL8 means nothing to a gaming rig, matter of fact itll prolly be slower.

Who said CL4?
I am at CL5, check pic again.

I will say this again, P45 is very limited on memory performance (any brand board). There are some sweet spots and you have to take advantage of it. That is how you do on this chipset. If you want to have the performance expected from a DDR2-1300+ clock, you need to go back to P35 (DFI LP UT) or try some X48. Nvidia chipsets will own any intel chipset when it comes to DDR2 memory performance (mem controler is their especiality), but we know how unstable those chipsets are, so I won't recomend it. That is why I am on a intel too.

On P45 you should focus on the FSB and CPU clocks, and take advantage of the mem sweet spots.

It means absolutely nothing to have a high clocked mem on a P45 with a very poor performance. Not smart at all.

We can play on some 3DMARK too, so you can understand what I am saying too.
09-24-2008, 06:56 PM
kwalker

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cable_Tie_Guy

Who said CL4?
I am at CL5, check pic again.

I will say this again, P45 is very limited on memory performance (any brand board). There are some sweet spots and you have to take advantage of it. That is how you do on this chipset. If you want to have the performance expected from a DDR2-1300+ clock, you need to go back to P35 (DFI LP UT) or try some X48. Nvidia chipsets will own any intel chipset when it comes to DDR2 memory performance (mem controler is their especiality), but we know how unstable those chipsets are, so I won't recomend it. That is why I am on a intel too.

On P45 you should focus on the FSB and CPU clocks, and take advantage of the mem sweet spots.

It means absolutely nothing to have a high clocked mem on a P45 with a very poor performance. Not smart at all.

We can play on some 3DMARK too, so you can understand what I am saying too.

It seems to me there are some very impressive memory bandwidth results on the P45 motherboards.
of course this is dependent on quality and maybe a little luck but none the less not too shabby.
your right about raw performance in the overclock arena but remember this is not a restrictive FSB chipset where memory overclocking is the only respective characteristic.(we seem to have the best of both worlds)
One thing I find odd is some modules like to hover at the 1:1 ratio others thrive on the dividers offered
this could be bios related or perhaps the the fact that some modules have restrictive devices implemented such as on die voltage regulation and the fact that termination is moved to the PCB of the module itself.
The tricks shared here show that there are ways around the restrictions and DDR2 is not dead :cool:
09-24-2008, 07:02 PM
ThugsRook

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cable_Tie_Guy

Who said CL4?
I am at CL5, check pic again.

I will say this again, P45 is very limited on memory performance (any brand board). There are some sweet spots and you have to take advantage of it. That is how you do on this chipset. If you want to have the performance expected from a DDR2-1300+ clock, you need to go back to P35 (DFI LP UT) or try some X48. Nvidia chipsets will own any intel chipset when it comes to DDR2 memory performance (mem controler is their especiality), but we know how unstable those chipsets are, so I won't recomend it. That is why I am on a intel too.

On P45 you should focus on the FSB and CPU clocks, and take advantage of the mem sweet spots.

It means absolutely nothing to have a high clocked mem on a P45 with a very poor performance. Not smart at all.

We can play on some 3DMARK too, so you can understand what I am saying too.

i was using CL4 as an exagerated example.

the rest of what you just said i agree with ;)

the sweet spot for gamers or just the avg ocing joe is CL555-15 PL10. any fsb, any ratio, thats the sweet spot.

it does like speed tho ~ 1066mhz minimum, there is no "max" as long as youre keeping CL555-15 PL10.

gaming does not care for CL4 or PL below 10, only superpi does. but then again some ppl think superpi IS a game ;)

do not tune your gaming system using Everest as a guide. it can only be used as a reference and it doesnt represent real world performance in any way.
09-24-2008, 07:09 PM
kwalker

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThugsRook

but then again some ppl think superpi IS a game ;)

It's not :eek:

:rofl::rofl:
09-24-2008, 07:33 PM
Simps

Cable_Tie_Guy HoLY cRaP man!
You have DDR2 1080 running at only 1.86v?
What memory is that? I can't even load winodws on those speed / volts.
Nice performance with only 1.86v, very impressed. Nice board!
09-24-2008, 07:46 PM
Cable_Tie_Guy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simps

Cable_Tie_Guy HoLY cRaP man!
You have DDR2 1080 running at only 1.86v?
What memory is that? I can't even load winodws on those speed / volts.
Nice performance with only 1.86v, very impressed. Nice board!

Thanks, It's teamX8500.
It was prime stable but not linpack stable at 1.86v...
I am at DDR2-1080 5-5-5-15 PL8 full stable now at 1.89v.
09-24-2008, 09:43 PM
Cable_Tie_Guy

Looks like Gigabyte made one hell of a P45 board.
User NapalmV5 on the thread below, just achieved 4.9GHz on his Q9650 (3.0GHz) and 545FSB.
That is right, 545FSB on a 45nm QUAD on a Gigabyte P45.

And, as if this isn't enough, he is saying he is on air, with Thermalright IFX-14.
He is using the Gigabyte EP45-DQ6
This is one of those "I NEED TO SEE TO BELIEVE", but who knows...

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...73#post3312873

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/1844/4900eo3.jpg
09-25-2008, 01:27 AM
scooter.jay

I have this board and it seems to only want to run my axe ram in single channel has anyone else sovled/had this problem as any help would be gratefully recived.:up: Running one stick at the mo but it always boot single channel?
09-25-2008, 02:00 AM
CryptiK

Have you tried both ram slots? ie: both blue slots filled, or both white slots filled? It may be a problem with the board itself, or a ram incompatibility issue. Got any other ram you can try in dual channel?
09-25-2008, 03:33 AM
scooter.jay

Quote:

Originally Posted by CryptiK

Have you tried both ram slots? ie: both blue slots filled, or both white slots filled? It may be a problem with the board itself, or a ram incompatibility issue. Got any other ram you can try in dual channel?

Yeah done both slots have some ram on order so will test with other sticks when they arrive. Thanks for the reply. The ram i have is TX1200QLJ-2GK Axeram

probably incompatibility issue but i hope not!
09-25-2008, 04:12 AM
CryptiK

What bios are you using currently? Have you tried again with the latest 1307 bios? What about using the 1307 mod bios Ket did for me (well, all of us really) it is linked a page ago and replaces the M2F memory table with the P5Q-Premium memory table. Perhaps it's worth a shot.
09-25-2008, 04:26 AM
scooter.jay

Quote:

Originally Posted by CryptiK

What bios are you using currently? Have you tried again with the latest 1307 bios? What about using the 1307 mod bios Ket did for me (well, all of us really) it is linked a page ago and replaces the M2F memory table with the P5Q-Premium memory table. Perhaps it's worth a shot.

Using 1307 but will give the modded one a try thanks:) Could you repost link as can not see it. Thanks for all the help:up:
09-25-2008, 04:47 AM
d3885u

Hi...guys...I still try to make my FSB fly high with this mobo...my last result is stucking @570 FSB...I can't go further even @575 FSB....Anyone of you where I can't download the modded BIOS version for my Sexy M2F...???
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=422381
09-25-2008, 05:08 AM
CryptiK

Quote:

Originally Posted by scooter.jay

Using 1307 but will give the modded one a try thanks:) Could you repost link as can not see it. Thanks for all the help:up:

Here you go.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=358

The P5Q-Premium table may help if it's an incompatibility issue but it may not. Your sticks have micron D9 GMH IC's so they *should* work, but like I said it may even be the board.

Quote:

Originally Posted by d3885u

Hi...guys...I still try to make my FSB fly high with this mobo...my last result is stucking @570 FSB...I can't go further even @575 FSB....Anyone of you where I can't download the modded BIOS version for my Sexy M2F...???

Link to post with link just above. I also can't get my board over 570 FSB. Not sure what is holding it back at the moment.
09-25-2008, 06:34 AM
CryptiK

658.6 MHz done with TG 8500's @ 2.24v

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...ddr1317PL7.jpg
09-25-2008, 08:16 AM
Darknezz

Could someone post Bios setting for E8500 around 530fsb and over have some small trouble keeping it stabile..

Thankyou
09-25-2008, 03:22 PM
Grnfinger

I'm thinking this board is a huge waste of cash
My X38 Maxmius would kick the :banana::banana::banana::banana: out of the bandwidth shown here lately
1300MHz ram and you can pull mid 9's in everest, and sadly a board half in price is beating the ROG line. Asus has really dropped the ball here, they should have spent more on engineering and less on the eye candy.
1175MHz on a X38 with a 8400 broke 10k easy, I'm thinking this board is going to ebay and a Rampage X48 is in order.
Clearly P45 is not the answer

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f...table_4400.jpg
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f...r/4400_new.png
09-25-2008, 03:39 PM
Cable_Tie_Guy

This board is good!
I only have some average ram (teamX8500) but on this board it can fly!
I am doing 10.000 MB/s in everest with DDR2-1166 5-5-5-15 at only 1.98v real on this board!

1.98v real DDR2-1166 5-5-5-15 with Maximus II Formula:
http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/3618/mf2pnp8.jpg
09-25-2008, 03:52 PM
Cable_Tie_Guy

Grnfinger,

You are totally right about the bandwidth problems with P45... Most of it is because of its PL limitations... For sure, a P45 board will have lower numbers on everest then a good x48 or even P35. But this is a P45 chipset issue... not really a MIIF issue. Other P45 boards will show poor numbers on high clocked DDR2 too.

So I just don't agree with you, when you say it is "this" board problem. It is a P45 thingy.

Also, check my results on the last pic. Of course you shouldn't consider the "write / copy" numbers because those will depend much more on the CPU clock, and I am at only 3.4GHz (you are at 4.4GHz). For 1.98v real, that is a good deal.

For some reason, I find that it needs less volts to clock the ram on P45, especially with the Maximus II Formula.

I am trying now 1.99v and DDR2-1200 5-5-5-15 on MIIF. I can load windows on that, but then when I stress the ram, it will crash. Will try 2.01 - 2.02v.

Also, I wouldn't consider much those CryptiK DDR2-1300 at mid 9K and poor latency results. There must be something wrong on that because his numbers are really bad, even for a P45.
09-25-2008, 04:00 PM
Grnfinger

Same divider, ram speed close enough not to argue. Your running what PL10?
On my Maximus X38 I'm running PL7, your latency sucks and your wirite and copy are mediocre for that speed. agrred the cpu does play a major roll so comparing my 8400 to your quad FSB is slighly unfair.
Board is nice, runs cool and looks fantastic, but thats where it ends.
Performance wise this board is sub par. It performs like a workstation board not a performance board. 16 phase power or not the board is not worth the money.

CryptiK posted 1300MHz+ and look at the bandwidth, rather poor score for 1300+MHz dont you think?
Excellent job btw CryptiK was not taking away from your achievement was using the score as an example for my argument.
09-25-2008, 04:08 PM
Cable_Tie_Guy

I am on PL9.
Yes, those DDR2-1300 result are bad, can't argue with that.
I will try a everest run on DDR2-1174 5-5-5-15, witch is exactly what you are running. So we can compare it better ok?

I am sure your x38 will still win, but lets see by how much... Also, if the score is close enough, you could lower your cpu at my speeds and run it again, that would be a perfect compare scenario. I am sure I can't push my 65nm B3 to 4.4GHz on air LOL!
09-25-2008, 04:12 PM
Grnfinger

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cable_Tie_Guy

I am on PL9.
Yes, those DDR2-1300 result are bad, can't argue with that.
I will try a everest run on DDR2-1174 5-5-5-15, witch is exactly what you are running. So we can compare it better ok?

I am sure your x38 will still win, but lets see by how much... Also, if the score is close enough, you could lower your cpu at my speeds and run it again, that would be a perfect compare scenario. I am sure I can't push my 65nm B3 to 4.4GHz on air LOL!

Post your score and I'll clock my CPU to your speed on X38 and compare results. This might be interesting.
09-25-2008, 04:14 PM
Cable_Tie_Guy

Ok.
I don't really know how to tweak mem, so I will only change 5-5-5-15 on bios and that is it. I am not going to change anything beyond that.
Lets add a memset to the screen so the other parameters are visible too ok?
09-25-2008, 04:41 PM
Zucker2k

Someone pass me the popcorn, somebody's about to get raped...
09-25-2008, 04:53 PM
mikeyakame

With the P45's PL is roughly set 1 higher to the equiv of X48. PL6 on x48 = PL7 on p45, PL7 on x48 = PL8 on P45 and so on. So PL9 is equiv of PL8 on X48. Which is actually kinda slow. PL7 on P45 is blazing fast at 450MHz FSB. I could never get PL6 to post on a P45 board with < 1.3V vNB
09-25-2008, 05:02 PM
Grnfinger

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zucker2k

Someone pass me the popcorn, somebody's about to get raped...

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f...on_Moniter.jpg
09-25-2008, 05:12 PM
Zucker2k

Lol, Cable_Tie_Guy makes it interesting with all the little rules. It's like an old western, a duel; Maximus vs Maximus II.

[bait]Mikeyakame and myself are ready to provide moral support, but won't hesitate to jump in the fray if need be. :) should be like letting lions into a pen. Intel Xpress Chipsets FTW[/bait]
09-25-2008, 05:19 PM
zlojack

Hmm... this should be fun.

On the DDR3 front: My board hates my RAM so far and nothing works except AUTO :(

I'm waiting on some G.Skill PI's which supposedly work much better.
09-25-2008, 05:26 PM
Grnfinger

I'm not the sheriff being run out of dodge here but I'll post my results using X38 and E8600 in the early morning.
Got some work stuff to do and its getting late if I dont get to it soon I'll be up all night.
On the weekend I'll do a quad comparison as well to see if it make's much of a difference in results.
I will also post some Q6700 runs I have from b4.
09-25-2008, 05:26 PM
Cable_Tie_Guy

P45 M2F
3.42GHz
489FSB
DDR2-1174 5-5-5-15

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/7012/mf2obo5.jpg
09-25-2008, 05:37 PM
mikeyakame

Not bad at all mate. Try making these changes in Memset. Refresh Period set to 8K or 16K for those clock frequencies. Should improve latency somewhat. Are they 1 or 2GB dimms, 2 rank, 4 rank or 8 rank? Everest should give you this info.
09-25-2008, 05:49 PM
Cable_Tie_Guy

mikeyakame,

Thans man! I really don't know about those info but I will try to find them for you.
I am not changing the settings. Now Grnfinger have all the info to clock his x38 on my clocks and them we will be able to tell how much better the x38 is against P45 on the memory thingy.

Grnfinger,

It is all there. Just clock your system (CPU, FSB, MEM, MEM TIMINGS, ETC)respecting the numbers on my pic and then we will have an orange to orange compaison!

Thanks.
09-25-2008, 06:35 PM
mikeyakame

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cable_Tie_Guy

mikeyakame,

Thans man! I really don't know about those info but I will try to find them for you.
I am not changing the settings. Now Grnfinger have all the info to clock his x38 on my clocks and them we will be able to tell how much better the x38 is against P45 on the memory thingy.

Grnfinger,

It is all there. Just clock your system (CPU, FSB, MEM, MEM TIMINGS, ETC)respecting the numbers on my pic and then we will have an orange to orange compaison!

Thanks.

Well that Refresh Period is incorrect for that memory frequency. Asus bios don't always adjust it automatically properly or give manual adjustment. Refresh Period is 7.8uS, and tREF == ( tRFC[ns] * rows * banks ) / IO frequency

For 1GB dimms with 256Mbit memory chips, 4 banks , 16K rows and tRFC of 45 and DDR2-1066 which has IO frequency of 533.

tCK = 1000ns (1ms) / 533 (which is the bus clock of 1066) = 1.86ns
tRFC = 45 clocks = tCK * 45 clocks = 83.7ns.

so tREF for this would be:

( 83.7 * 16384 * 4 ) / 533 == 10291 clocks
Optimal Refresh period in clocks = closest value to 10291. Higher is always better.
09-25-2008, 06:47 PM
Cable_Tie_Guy

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeyakame

Well that Refresh Period is incorrect for that memory frequency. Asus bios don't always adjust it automatically properly or give manual adjustment. Refresh Period is 7.8uS, and tREF == ( tRFC[ns] * rows * banks ) / IO frequency

For 1GB dimms with 256Mbit memory chips, 4 banks , 16K rows and tRFC of 45 and DDR2-1066 which has IO frequency of 533.

tCK = 1000ns (1ms) / 533 (which is the bus clock of 1066) = 1.86ns
tRFC = 45 clocks = tCK * 45 clocks = 83.7ns.

so tREF for this would be:

( 83.7 * 16384 * 4 ) / 533 == 10291 clocks
Optimal Refresh period in clocks = closest value to 10291. Higher is always better.

WTF was that? You better talk some english or I will ask some admin to ban you.

HAeuHAeu! Joking... I don't know about that level of detail.... Basically, you are saying I should change something to improve the numbers, but I really can't figure what it is! LOL!

I am running 2x1GB rams... dual channel. I just changed BIOS to 5-5-5-15. Every other setting is on auto. Loaded windows and benched everest. Then I opened memset to show the full settings (I didn't change anything there) and took the screenshot.
09-25-2008, 06:59 PM
Cable_Tie_Guy

Ok I got it now, you are saying that I should change Refresh Period from 4K to 8K or 16K for better latency and maybe a little better bandwidth.
Well, now it is like this. Lets wait for Grnfinger benchs..
09-25-2008, 07:10 PM
FELIX

Where do you know it: tREF == ( tRFC[ns] * rows * banks ) / IO frequency !??!
09-25-2008, 07:44 PM
CryptiK

The Maximus II Formula is not so great, but it is acceptable. Perhaps your average 'gamer' would not even realize it's shortcomings. The fact that I can do better on my P5Q-Deluxe is not a good thing though. P45 is not the platform to be on for efficiency at a given FSB/memory speed. The P35 and X38/48 beat it by a substantial amount from what I have seen. I'm interested to see the results of the head to head X38 vs P45.

This is the best bandwidth & lowest latency the M2F can do at 434 FSB & ram at 651 MHz. The other result with the high 50ns latency was at tRD (PL) 10. If i had 520 FSB+ it would look a lot better, but even at those clocks, the P35/X38 would destroy it.

Everest @ 434 FSB, 651 MHz, tRD (PL) 6

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...0GKX22vPL6.jpg

Everest @ 570 FSB, 570 MHz, tRD (PL) 10

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i.../M2F570FSB.jpg
09-25-2008, 08:48 PM
Cable_Tie_Guy

CryptiK,

I don't wanna fight or anything. Don't get me wrong, my english is bad and sometimes I may sound bad, but its not my intention.

There is something very wrong with your results with your Maximus II Formula. Your results are very bad. I don't know much about memory o/c, but I can say for sure, that your result for a DDR2-1300 5-5-5-15 AT PL6 is VERY WRONG!

Maybe you have a bad mobo, or a bad ram, I don't know, but this is not what I see here.
You keep saying this board is bad, but maybe is the other way arround?

Check this out:
2.15v for DDR2-1200 5-5-4-10 PL8 on Maximus II Formula:
PS: Remember "write / copy" speeds are very related to the cpu clock. I am at 3.5GHz only
http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/2472/mf2qqn8.jpg
09-25-2008, 09:11 PM
CryptiK

It's not my ram, I have run those sticks on P35, X38 and P965 boards, and the results were much better. Also when you say the write/copy speed is related to the cpu clock, that is not exactly correct, it is much more related to the cpu FSB, overall clock makes a comparatively small difference.

This is my board @ 500 FSB, 600 MHz ram PL 10, and with the exception of the read bandwidth and latency (lower and higher respectively, due to higher PL of 10) I get a better result than you.

Also my result at 651 MHz is not 'very wrong', it is the result I got and is completely in line with other results from P45 boards. You said yourself you do not know a lot about memory overclocking, so perhaps you should consider stopping the arrogant comments.

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...2F500-1200.jpg
09-25-2008, 09:16 PM
Cable_Tie_Guy

You can't say that because it is not true.
Post a 7x500 = 3.5GHz DDR2-1200 and then lets compare oranges to oranges ok? I sure can't bench @ 4GHz with a 65nm B3 on air... or you can just wait for my 45nm to arrive, and they we will see too :)

You are showing 10% more latency @ 4GHz then me on 3.5GHz... your result is WAY worst, we can't even compare.

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