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Originally Posted by traveler
Got my answer in the water cooling thread. :up:
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Originally Posted by traveler
Got my answer in the water cooling thread. :up:
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Does Asus know about this trouble? I doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadowthor
403 is ok....406 has this bug and 408 still has this bug.....crazy :mad:
I hope they know what code have changed between 403 and 406......
They have only to check the boot block, I guess, as the PC locks at very first POST phase, when tries to recognize the cpu or immediately after.
I'm trying to get ram theese OCZ Flex 9200 to work @1200. For now i'm trying using 2x1gb, just to be sure they can work.
I'm using a 450x8 wich run stable with ram @1125 (2.3v) and PL7, vNB 1.41, PLL 1.50 and FSB Term 1.3.
I'm aiming to set ram @1200 wich lets me to use a PL6, but blend test with prime95 puts out error within 2-7 minutes, every time on a different core.
I've tried running memtest86+ v2.01, not for very long time, about 2hrs and passed 7 full run without error, so i'm assuming that ram can keep this speed?
I've also messed around with vNB (up to 1.55), VTT (up to 1.38), PLL (up to 1.58), tried PL of 7 and even 8, but none of these trying lead me to anything: everytime i've got error within the first 7 minutes of run.
What can i try?
Thats with a dual core, quads still have problems going above 475Quote:
Originally Posted by stealth
Thank you very much!Quote:
Originally Posted by 3lfk1ng
I can't get 500FSB to work, but now finally managed to get to 450FSB.
By the way 54.º celcius is a ok temperature on the northbridge?
Rick you can only reach 4000MHZ with your E8400 only with 1.5v CPU voltage?
There are some quads that can clock very high.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAR
I had one Q6600 that could run stable at 530fsb ... and one Q6700 at 550Fsb (It's now in a friends PC) . Both watercooled .
But ... i have to admit that these chips are "one in a million" maybe .
Try FSB temination to 1.4 or better yet just leave the stuff on auto except CPU/DRAM/NB. The bios likes to kick up NB voltage way more than needed as I'm stable to 525 FSB at 1.35v. This keeps NB temps around 43c, makes me wonder why so many opt to pull the sink off and re-apply thermal grease.Quote:
Originally Posted by panheimer
Still waiting for help on understanding NB monitoring temps and how they scale under load as I can not tell which one CPUID hardware monitor shows. The only temps that move much under load are CPU core 1/2 and CPUTIN. I'm guessing remote 1 is NB and remote 2 is SB, however they do not rise but 3c during a intense OCCT bench. I always thought the NB was more reactive like a CPU or GPU core under load.
Someone please exsplain the following..
As far as I can tell Loadline calibration in not good to use as I crash out of know where when web surfing. Yet so many of you use it?
FSB strap and Dram freq seem one in the same, yet why provide both options?
Dram static read control, use it or not? What type of performance does it give in tems of real world apps like gaming?
AI clock twister, how does bios choose a setting on auto? What type of performance gain and or stability does this option really provide?
AI transaction booster. Now this one gets me the most as I do not understand it at all, infact most of the time I can't even choose a common performance level. Is this best kept on auto, or would I benefit from setting them on my own? CPA and B are all 7 and when I choose manual it always seems to be on a common performance level of 5 but I'm not sure if this is just a starting point or what.
If I could be made to understand these things it would help alot as I feel I'm missing the boat with performance, yet at the same time I bet 'AUTO' will give me just as much or the same real world perfomance.
PLEASE HELP.
Whith that said, on my next post I will show you how far I have gone on my own skills based off OCing on my MSI 975X platinum and E6700.
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/m...0/Capture3.jpg
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/m..._020/ocmax.jpg
I know I can do better if I get the memory thing understood. I want 19,000:)
See, look
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/m...Capturemem.jpg
With memory screeming and higher FSB, I actually scored LOWER, wtf is up with that?
I do not see the need for lower multi's and higher FSB as it does not seem to offer any performace increase, or does it;) Unless you have a chip with a lower multi why go for more FSB? I tried all kinds of FSB settings like 445x9.5, 467x9, 494x8.5, 525x8 and 445 gave me the best scores. I do not gain any CPU stability regardless of what multi I use as I always need 1.41250 (1.38 actual and 1.35 under load).
More on the Vcore thing. I have noticed a .2-.3 VDroop when I'm under any kind of CPU load, .3 under 80% or more CPU load and .2 less than that. So when I'm under heavy gaming or benchmarking my CPU Vcore is 1.35, yet wile doing nothing at all, it's 1.38. Though I do not mind this as the CPU is cool wile at 1.38 and then when hot and bothered it is only getting 1.35 so I guess it all evens out. This is the fastest, yet hottest CPU I have ever used going to 75c in core temp:eek: But seeing I'm going with a Nehalem in a few months I could care less, lol.
If your memory speed is faster but you score lower your trd (common perf. level) must have been higher. Mine is 1149Mhz & trd of 8, I have an everest read of 9323, write 10,091, copy of 9807. You shouldn't use LLC in earlier BIOS but the random idle shutdowns isn't nearly so bad in 0406 and 0408. FSB temps used to be in mid 60s underload, now lower 50's after reworking NB HSK paste. If I passs 57 on NB mine will always crash.
rodman - This review is one of the reasons I bought this board. They do a good job of explaining transaction booster/perfomance level. This is also why you might get worse performance with higher FSB.
Page 4 is where the good stuff starts. Page 6 is where my brain starts to hurt. It took me a couple of times to read it and understand it. This isn't something you can just digest instantly.
http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3208
I don't think loadline calibration is a good thing to enable. vDroop is specifically engineered into motherboards to protect CPUs. Disabling it (or pencil modding) can make spikes in voltage that are imperceptible except with a very sensitive meter. People use LLC because they can use lower vCore BIOS settings. I believe they are actually subjecting their chips to higher voltage spikes by doing so. This is my opinion though and who am I to talk . . . look below.
BTW, my 4850's can do 18,000 3dMark 06 for $330. They aren't overclocked yet either. Sorry, but it's been a long time since ATI lovers get to rub it in Nvidia's face :p:
Unfortunately, yes. Unless I'm doing something horribly wrong. I've given it a good try though and there doesn't seem to be any other way. I think I just got a weak chip. I'm gonna make the best of it though and run it like this to see if it dies. I will test the hypothesis that higher voltages hurt 45nm chips. I feel like an overclocking newb since I've never killed a chip.Quote:
Rick you can only reach 4000MHZ with your E8400 only with 1.5v CPU voltage?
I also discovered that I am more stable with the lowest PLL setting possible. I thought that higher PLL would make me stable at higher clocks/voltage.
Is this chip multiplier locked?Seems that your CPU can't do more than 3416Mhz stable.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAR
Stelio must be the chip which can't clock higher and not the mobo it's self.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stelios
If he could set the multi to X7 or X6 then i bet the mobo could go higher on the FSB.
What IC they use?I don't think they use Micron that is why they can't clock high.Quote:
Originally Posted by panheimer
I have the same Ram and the higher ever did was 1245Mhz 5-5-5-15 2T @2.1V, no matter what i tried clouldn't go higher..i don't know if this is prime95 stable,never test it.
http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/7...n42016aii2.jpg
I am not please with the performance and because i can't get DDR2 Ram to do 1300+Mhz i will move to DDR3.
stealth
Beauty MOBO~
I have quite a newbie question regarding Asus's ROG line....I just helped build a PC for my fd with this motherboard, I realized that in the manual it doesnt have instruction on how to install the connections for the front audio panel for his casing (CM Stacker 832)....he wants to plug his headphone to the casing but I can't find instructions on the manual.
Anyone can help, or maybe these features r not available on this board?
use the plug on the cable provided with the stacker for the Front panel. its labelled HD Audio and it connects to the sound card. Thats it really.
If you are crashing at idle with Loadline Calibration enabled but you are stable at full load, you need to RMA your board. The Anandtech article on it is wrong. LLC is supposed to work with 45nm CPUs, and if it does not, your board is faulty. My first Rampage Formula had that issue with my Q9450, and I got an RMA. The new one works perfectly.
Ok will check it out. Thanks
My Q9450 is working very nice on Rampage Formula with Loadline Calibration enabled, im using 1,26 V for CPU at 3600 MHz, 1,52 V for NB and 1,38 V for FSB Term. Everything on air.
Work as in not damaging the CPU? (45nm)
I've had LLC enabled with my Q9450 at 1.425v for a few months now. Been working perfectly since day one. I'm on water.
I have LLC enabled also, and never had any problem when idle, but with a e8400.Quote:
Originally Posted by 003
Well, based off my results I think the board is fine. 4.2GHZ on 1.35 volts is pretty good, no? 1066 speed on 4GB with 6-7 trd not good? I think it's all in the bios, not a faulty board imo. I'm on bios 0308:shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by 003
If you are crashing at idle with LLC enabled, your board is defective, and there is no getting around that. It is not a BIOS problem, it is a hardware problem. My original Rampage Formula that had the issue had the same BIOS as my new one that does not have the issue (0403).
U should listen to him he's right !Quote:
Originally Posted by 003
there are some Bad moBo floatin' around Not Many & Asus will turn it around fast
I got a new board in 11 days on an RMA from them DIRECT ! Best to call the RMA dept directly by phone............I had an RMA# in 5 minutes & an email with directions on where to send & how to send in less time than that ...
I got an Advance RMA, they sent me the new board while I was still using mine, and when I got it, I sent mine to them. They do require your credit card number in case you try and keep both, so don't get any ideas.
Noo, my board has that fault, do you know if there are other errors on the boards that have this problem?
And sucks to RMA pretty happy with my northbridge. It runs 2x4gb gskill at 500 fsb with performance lvl 8 at default voltage (1.25v)
But hope i can get an advance RMA to since i can't live without my precious :p:
What if you've replaced the TIM on the NB and SB?Quote:
Originally Posted by 003
Not that I'm having any issues or anything with my motherboard. Just wondering.
Replacing the TIM is fine, I replaced it on mine and they didn't have a problem. I did kind of neglect to mention it, but still :)
:cussing:YEAH !!Quote:
Originally Posted by Takle
That's HOW ... I got 2 R/FX48's now !! couldn't live with out it !! :surf:
............. :p:.........................
SOO i bought another
....... ;p
I think I need MoBo ReHaB !
One question about VTT, according to INTEL no more than 1,4 V on VTT, i set on my Rampage Formula 1,38 V in BIOS and according to hardware monitor from BIOS and other software the real voltage is 1,28 V. What is the real value?
using 1.46 in bios that gives 1.38V real, so i assume 1 step more (1.48) gives 1.4, altho in all honesty "auto" settings with high FSB are 1.41V real...
so I just ordered one of these boards from new egg,
I'm running
1000w PSU,
2gigs of mushkin RAM at 1066mhz(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820146789)
and a QX6700
Anyone wanna throw me some basic settings to start my overclocking with?'
I'm a bit of a noob OC'er... :rolleyes:
Which bios is the best for this mobo ?
I have 0308 and i thinking about 0408 - any opinion ?
Can someone teach me about these settings?
I know it's related to Common Performance Level, and have read somewhere that when you can't get to a lower PL, you may try enable these settings to get better performance.
Well, i've setted to 450x8, fsb strap 266 and ram @1125, with a PL7. Wather i put in, settings a PL6 hangs the system on "det dram".
So i've started playing with PL7 and these Pull-IN of CHA...and got something out of it with these settings:
Pull-In of CHA PH1: Enabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2: Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3: Enabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4: Enabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1: Enabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2: Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3: Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4: Enabled
So i was able to enable five of these pull in, with a gain in everest of about 100 MB/s in read and 2.0 ns in latency, while other results remain more or less the same.
If i try to enable CHA PH2, CHB PH2 and CHB PH3 the system hangs on det dram again. Well, i supposed tha if i can enable CHA PH3 i would be able to enable also CHB PH3, but it's not true...why?
You need to understand their relationship to make use of them. Number of phases is equal to divider in use. Ie 5:6 has 5 phases, 3:4 has 3 phases, etc. Its DRAM phase : FSB phase. If you cant achieve lower PL then you can use the Phase Pull-in to tighten tRD for particular Phases. The way it works is if you are running 3:4 and PL7 for example. It would look like this for pull in.
A1 A2 A3 B1 B2 B3
06 07 06 06 07 06
Pull-in CHA PH1 = Enabled
Pull-in CHA PH2 = Disabled
Pull-in CHA PH3 = Enabled
Pull-in CHB PH1 = Enabled
Pull-in CHB PH2 = Disabled
Pull-in CHB PH3 = Enabled
The reason is you can only pull in phases where there is alignment between FSB and DRAM. In this case 3:4
___ ___ ___
_/A1 \___/A2 \___/A3 \_ <== tRD Phases from DRAM to MCH (Data Out)
__ __ __ __
_/1 \__/2 \__/3 \__/4 \_ <== tCK DRAM operational Clock Phases (Data Request)
3 Data Out clocks for every 4 DRAM operation Clocks
Thats a poor diagram but should give u an idea
See how there is Alignment with A1 to 1, A3 to 4, this is why you can only pull in those two phases. Pulling in A2 would create a situation where you cannot align clock phases for tRD at MCH or DRAM and you get data corruption or window too small to complete read op.
Here's my 24/7 overclock. It's 2 hours OCCT stable and 8 hours + prime stable.:clap:
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w...3/Everdest.jpg
Running the 0406 beta BIOS.
Settings:
My memory would not run at 1066. Prime would error out on blend. I'd like to get it to 1000, but the 266 strap won't boot. There's some more tweaking to do on the memory side.Code:AI Overclock Tuner.............................. Manual
CPU Ratio Setting............................... 10.0
FSB Strap to North Bridge....................... 333MHz
FSB Frequency................................... 400MHz
PCI-E Frequency................................. 101MHz
DRAM Frequency.................................. DDR2 – 961MHz
DRAM Command Rate............................... 2N
DRAM CMD Skew on Channel A...................... Auto
DRAM CMD Skew on Channel B...................... Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A...................... Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B...................... Auto
DRAM Timing Control............................. Auto
DRAM Static Read Control........................ Ensabled
AI Clock Twister................................ Strong
AI Transaction Twister.......................... Manual
Common Performance Level.................... 07
Pull-In of CHA PH1.......................... Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2.......................... Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3.......................... Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4.......................... Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1.......................... Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2.......................... Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3.......................... Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4.......................... Disabled
CPU Voltage..................................... 1.48125V
CPU PLL Voltage................................. 1.54V
Northbridge Voltage............................. 1.35V
DRAM Voltage.................................... 2.10V
FSB Termination Voltage......................... 1.32V
South Bridge Voltage............................ Auto
SB 1.50V Voltage................................ Auto
Loadline Calibration............................ Disabled
CPU GTL Voltage REF............................. 0.63x
NB GTL Voltage REF.............................. 0.67x
DRAM Controller Voltage REF..................... Auto
DRAM Channel A Voltage REF...................... DDR_REF + 10mV
DRAM Channel B Voltage REF...................... DDR_REF + 10mV
CPU Spread Spectrum............................. Disabled
PCI-E Spread Spectrum........................... Disabled
My north bridge is HOT. I have the included ASUS fan on the regulators and 2 40mm fans directly on the north bridge. After an hour of OCCT it's 66C! It idles in the low 50s. Lower voltages lead to instability, so that's it for now. Once I get the ambition to tear everything apart I'll put a water block, or aftermarket cooler on it. My hottest core was 57C after the 8 hour prime95 run.
The reason you cant pull in CHB PH3 is because there isn't enough skewing to correct CHB clock phases. You can try adjust CHB CLK skews with a little advance and see if it helps. Be warned if you set tRD phase skewing too tight you will corrupt your CMOS instantaneously, be sure to use OC Profiles to save your settings before you try too tight phase skewing. Try changing your strap also, 266 strap is a bit meh. I use 333 or 400 I find they are better at higher FSBs.Quote:
Originally Posted by panheimer
There is also a rule that applies that you must pull in PH1 of either before you are allowed to pull in any other phases or you cause misalignment.
I just replaced by NB with Thermaltake spirit II and idles now at 46-48 and loads 50-55
???it's a bit scaring! What do you mean? That i would have to simply clear cmos or that i corrupts bios and have to reflash it?Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeyakame
And what each phase is intended to do? In wich way they affects performance?
I've found that PH1 improves read bandwidth and PH3 improves latency while PH4 seems to do nothing. Is it true or was only my impression?
It should automatically clear cmos for you if it corrupts. Just the cmos data, no reflashing of course. I've corrupted it many times, I use OC profile to save my settings first just incase so I can reload them.
It could be that every phase but the last 1 or 2 depending on divider alter Memory Clock Phase delays to line up Memory & Data clocks, and the last 1 or 2 phases are tRD phases (Data/Memory phase). Thats my best guess. There isn't much information about how this exactly works. I understand it with close dividers, but as you use larger ones I am not sure what refers to what.
For 1:1 there are 2 phases. Clock & data. 3:4 has 3 phases. 2 Clock and 1 data. 5:6 has 5 Phases, 3 clock & 2 data? or 4 clock and 1 data and so on. Everest can show you which you are altering exactly by looking at Read Delay Phase Adjust and Dimm 1 - 4 Clock Fine Delay values and how they change as you pull phases in and out.
DRAM Read ODT 3T
DRAM Write ODT 6T
MCH Read ODT 8T
Performance Level 7
Read Delay Phase Adjust +5T
DIMM1 Clock Fine Delay 13T
DIMM2 Clock Fine Delay 11T
DIMM3 Clock Fine Delay 10T
DIMM4 Clock Fine Delay 8T
Thats my everest timing printout with PL 7, A1 A3 B1 B3 Pulled in to PL6. A2 and B2 are left at PL7. Thats with 3:4 divider, 333 strap ( i think). Phase A3/B3 alter Read Delay Phase Adjust value.
heres a cmos dump of mine if you want to have a look at it. 8x430FSB DDR2-1146 Q6600. Unzip it and put it on a USB flash drive and load it through Start OC Profile. Make sure to save your OC profile first, either to 1 or 2 or flash drive. Be careful with the DRAM voltage, as I've got it running at 2.32V real ( +20mV dram ref voltage (0.02V) ) . All the other voltages are sane and won't cause you any grief. It's also setup for RAID and wireless keyboard just so you know. Loading it will load all the CMOS settings. Not just the OC ones.
Is that good or bad? Worse or better than before.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAR
How do you understand from above data that you have correctly setup the enabled/disabled phase data for your configuration?Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeyakame
Actually I am at FSB 450, strap 333, divider 5/6, performance level 8 and every phase on ENABLED. I have DRAM skew put to ADVANCED 250 ps both channels as if I follow your suggestion to put A 50 ps delay and B 300 ps advance, I have big instability.
Following your test and guess, I may change to DISABLED some phases....can I understand which one from above Everest values?
WOW! Thanks very much mikeyakame! I've read all of your post and learned many things - the most still remain a little too hard for me to completely acquire, but now i'm starting to understand the way settings works.
I'll try your profile, to learn something more from your work.
thanks again
p.s.: have you ever think do post a fully comprehensive guide about this mobo and its settings?
With skews easiest way to see which settings work and which don't is by using Test #5 in memtest86+ find settings which give you minor errors and adjust skews to see whether the errors occur earlier or later. Just try leaving Channel B on normal, and delaying Channel A bit by bit and see if its any more or less stable. Takes time, skews only really help at much higher DRAM frequency. I don't really need to skew CHB much until I push past 1160mhz. I run CHA with delay of 250PS atm, and CHB on auto at 1150 5-5-5-15 and 2.3v.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brama
Also from everest, you can tell I've pulled in the last 1 or 2 phases from Read Delay Phase Adjust. The Dimm Fine clock adjust means i've pulled in or pulled out The first 2-3 phases (depending on divider). For 5:6 divider I would try Pull in A1 / A4 / A5 /B1 / B4 / B5. A1 / B1 first, then others. A4 / B4 / A5 / B5 should alter Read delay phase adjust. Others should alter Dimm Clock Fine Adjust. Im 90% PH4 alters it, but I know PH5 definitely does.
In everest cache benchmark i get ~ 52.8ns / 0.9ns / 3.5ns. This ram struggles to push much lower latency than that. Lowest I've gotten was around 51.2ns / 0.7ns / 3.4ns at 490fsb
Note that skews aren't constant values, they change as DRAM frequency changes. Trace lengths are relative to the clocking frequency.
Much better, now idles at 41c and loads at 48-50c, great cooler for 20 bucks, my stock wasnt even making contact with the NB fully.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeyakame
here is a pic
http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/4290/cimg2979ol4.jpg
So, i just tried to build my own computer for the first time with an X48 asus rampage.. I thought I would just be able to hook everything up with power and then get going from there..
Previously I have just built on to other computers that I purchased(an alienware)
so i bought a 1000w Zalman, GTX280, 2gigs mushkin RAM, and an X48 Asus Rampage Forumla, but the only thing I get when i press the on button is CPU INIT on the external LCD poster... What does it mean, what do I do?
Entire computer specs are as follow
COSMOS S case(new)
QX6700(carried over from last computer)
2x 500 gig Seagate (carried from last computer)
X48 Asus Rampage Formula (new)
GTX280(carried from last computer, but still new kind of)
Blu-Ray CD drive (carried over from last computer)
2x 2 gig Mushkin RAM(new)
One thing that I've noticed is that when I plug only one of the 4 pin connectors into the CPU power slot everything boots, but still CPU Init.
When I plug in both of them, nothing boots just tries to turn on and then immediatley crashes.
Put of the power supply. Wait for all the lights to go off (wait for the power to drain from resistors).
Then put power supply back on. and press the CLR CMOS button and keep it pressed for 10 seconds. then release and press the power on button again.
Goodluck
tried that.. Now it won't turn on at all.. just a flash of lights then off.'
and to elaborate on my problem, nothing comes on the screen at all. Doesn't even begin to show something.
As you suggested i've tried correcting CHB skew, but even with 50 advance i immediately got the cmos corrupted...tried higher advance but worthless always corrupt cmos. si i've tried to delay CHB skew, no more cmos corruption but still hang on det dram and no post.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeyakame
in the end, with my current settings i'm not able to enable CHB PH3, and while priming with CHA PH3 enabled i've got a bsod...so i've disabled also CHA PH3.
BTW now i can confirm that with a 4:5 multiplier on ram, the PH3 affects memory latency: with CHA PH3 enabled i've reached 50.4 ns, while now with it disabled i've returned to 52.2 while cache L1 and L2 remained at 0.8 and 3.2 in with both cases.
nice work! all you can do I suppose is give it more vNB, that's the only way to tighten up PL any farther.Quote:
Originally Posted by panheimer
Well, i've tried your profile, or better, i've tried to try your profile, but can't load it, it says that it's not compatible version or something like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeyakame
Wich bios are you using? i'm using the 0406, maybe this is the problem?
Or did i do something wrong? I've downloaded your file, unzipped and saved on a empty pen drive formatted in fat16. Restarted the pc, entered bios and started oc profile, here i can see the 430pl7.cmo file, but when i try to load it, the system refuses to proceed...
no way, every time i got stuck to det dram i've never managed to get around it, tried upping vNB to 1.56 (i'm using 1.41, but think i can still lower it once i find a good setup) and played also with PLL, VTT and both GTLs but never managed to make it post...Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeyakame
maybe you do know a trick to avoid det dram?
Hi, I am thinking of getting this board, I see this thread been around for a long time so is this board as good as i hear?
:up: or :down:
thanks for your time.
the egg has it for around 280 delivered...
Anyone running this board with the G.Skill 4GB 8500 kit 450fsb or above, can you list your bios settings.
It's a very cool cooler, myself was thinking of getting that one or one of the thermalright's chipset coolers.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAR
Could you tell me the NB voltage you're using when it gets to the 48-50c?
I check temps and voltages with pc probe II, but don't know if they are accurate, at least the CPU voltage and temp are the same as the ones on CPU-Z and Real Temp.
With the stock heatsink, prime95 on load, PC Probe II reports 46º with NB on 1.23v
Maximum temp I get is 55º with NB on 1.44v
I have 6 fans on my case, upgraded the window panel fan to a aerocool 140mm, but don't know if those temps are true, I'm no experten, but doesn't seems much temperature difference for 21 volts of setting change.
My RAM settings are all in auto, except the voltage and speed.
On my daily 400 FSB overclock and also when I test 444FSB I have them on the 2.1v max and 1066/1067MHZ.
Still trying to find the NB, FSBT and SB limit for those BUs speeds. Haven't tryed to go beyond their 1066MHZ limit or change the timings.
With 1.43v in the bios, i get 39-43c idle, depending on room temp, and about 44-50c loadQuote:
Originally Posted by SergioRoadster
On the g.skill memory, they are these right http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231166
Whats the max fsb you have run them stable, thanks, i cant get anything above 427fsb stable with this ram.
Ive got 8GB of that RAM at DDR2 1103, FSB at 459. Max I can go it seems is 489 or thereabout.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAR
Which BIOS settings do you want? I've got all my RAM settings at stock, except for the divider and voltage (2.1v).
I think that depends of what you want to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by systemviper
At first I was thinking of getting a P5Q Deluxe. But for the 70 euros difference I choosed the Rampage for the 2 PCIE 2.0 slots (Thinking of gettin' another 4870 or 4870x2 next year).
On my experience, this is a very good board even for someone inexperienced as me on overclocking. On the long effort to find the right BUS speeds and components voltages for my CPU voltage limit, the little Clear CMOS button is a blessing. I've got the system frozen dozens of times not able to boot and just by a press of a button... BAM, BIOS defaults loaded.
If you can give me all your voltages that would be cool, as much bios settings from the overclocking part of it would be awesome :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by 003
Quote:
Originally Posted by GAR
HUmm... I think I might spend 20 euros on that SPirit II even just for 5º difference, it shure is pretty and with leds! Damn, since I've build for the first time my computer, now I get crazy for led fans and stuff like that cooler. My pc is starting too look like a Christmas tree.
Yes, they are those.
Max FSB I've run stable was 450, but with 1.39vcore on my E8400, just ran prime 1 hour with that voltage. Since I've read more then 1.36v deteriorates the 45nm I'm afraid of passing that limit.
I've run also prime with 440FSB with 1.36vcore for 5 hours. No errors.
I just wish I could get my QX9650 stable at 10x400. won't happen. I had no difficulty doing so with manageable temps on my EVGA 790i Ultra.
With this board I put 1.42 vcore in bios (LLC disabled) which comes out to about 1.38 under load and temps climb into the mid 60's with orthos.
On the EVGA board, 1.42 in the bios netted 1.344 in windows after vdroop and temps were much lower.
any ideas?
My temps are the same as my 790i, re mount your cpu cooler.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robilar
BIOS: 0403Quote:
Originally Posted by GAR
Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
OC From CPU Level Up: Auto
CPU Ratio Setting: 8
FSB Strap to NB: Auto
FSB Freq: 459
PCIE Freq: 100
DRAM Freq: DDR2 1103
All other DRAM settings: Auto
Ai Clock Twister: Auto
Ai Transaction Booster: Auto
CPU Voltage: 1.425
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.5
NB Voltage: 1.37
DRAM Voltage: 2.1
FSB Term Voltage: 1.32
SB Voltage: 1.05
SB 1.5V Voltage: Auto
LLC: Enabled
All REF Voltages: Auto
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
This should be the same for all bioses out there, but to prevent any confusion, I'm on bios 0308 and I highly recommend that you flash to this bios as well. This is a given, but it needs repeating, this is a solid board. Unfortunately, the 45NM cpus from Intel are very sensitive and if you're off by a few volts on one of the key voltages, aka, fsbt, vcore, and vnb, you'll have to use a lot of brute force and even that won't get you far. I recommend that everyone who is having problems reaching 8x450 and above SERIOUSLY needs to find a little time and patiently run their hardware all stock, moving up slowly till your system begins to show signs of instability then you can stop and tweak. To prevent confusion, try to set the most obvious settings manually. If you're not sure, leave the gtls alone. I have this CPU for one more night before someone picks it up on *cough* cough* *cough* 'bay, so here we go....
Setup:
Asus Rampage Formula, bios 0308
Intel Quadcore Q9450
G.Skill PC2-8500 (DDR2 1066) 2x2GB kit
Windows Vista x64 SP1
As you can see everything is set manually at the lowest levels. I'm not messing with GTLs, at least it was NOT necessary.
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For what it's worth....
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How the voltages look under hardware monitor. You want your voltages to closely match this as possible, with the exception of vcore and vdimm; those are dependent on your hardware.
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The reboot...
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The result...
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You can further improve performance with pull-ins. That's all folks.
Your setup is stable at the lowest voltages at 450fsb????
I got the same setup, my cpu has a vid of 1.1275, same ram, same cpu but i fail prime blend with any setting above 427fsb i think i got a dud board maybe??? i have an asus silent knight 2 cpu cooler. my cores idle at 29-32c loads at 50c weird, very wierd, im thinking of getting a new board, maybe i got a dud????
Zucker, I really hate you. I want that Q9450 of yours. Oh well -- I'll have to settle for brute force. My VID is 1.2250.
GAR, I'm not sure if you were aware, but I am on water cooling :)
Maybe i need a different cpu heatsink, i have the Asus Silent Knight II, i guess ill sell it and get a new one.Quote:
Originally Posted by 003
Not worth it. Air will only take you so far, and a 2-3C temp decrease from a better heatsink won't get you squat. You need to save for water cooling if you are really looking for a cooling increase that actually yields more overclocking headroom. I have both my CPU and NB on water.
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Originally Posted by Vivi2
I have to get it built first. :up:
Finally finished assembling it today. Did a first boot. Went into the BIOS and set a few things.
But then, after exiting the BIOS, it won't recognise the floppy drive or the DVD drive, and I get an error message saying "No CD-ROM drive found" and "IDE CD-ROM device driver not installed". Eventually it reads the CD-ROM starting Caldera DOS but then stops saying "driver not found" and "invalid drive specified".
Am I missing something here?
:confused:
It could also be your cpu. My cpu does 3.4Ghz stable at 1.08v. The best thing to do is start all over, everything low and start raising your fsb till you get stuck. It'll require a lot of reboots but start with vcore first, if it doesn't cure it, move to fsbt, then nb. Move in 2-7 FSB increments. The whole key to this is to know your hardware first, that is cpu and ram so their settings don't interfere with board settings.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAR
I jumped a E8600, 10x multi proved too tempting. I'm watercooling my chipsets too, it helps for stability at higher fsb/clocks.Quote:
Originally Posted by 003
What CD-ROM are you trying to access? Is it scratched?Quote:
Originally Posted by traveler
All members with Q9450 @ 450 fsb and Rampage Formula could you please post your overclock settings, im thinking that im using too much voltage on NB and VTT to reach 3600 Mhz with Q9450. I use 1,55 V for NB, 1,38 V for VTT and 1,26 V for CPU. Im gonna try Zucker2k settings when im out from work, im curios if is gonna boot at least.
New old bios is out
ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/mb/so...rmula-0407.zip
So, here is the sequence from asus: 0406 - 0408 - 0407.
Pls anyone report how 0407 works with raid-controllers.
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Originally Posted by Zucker2k
Thanks for the reply Zucker2k.
I tried two different optical disks. Both of the optical disks boot fine from another computer so based on that and looking at them, I would say no scratches.
One disk is PowerQuest's PartitionMagic, a OEM factory made disk and the other is Western Digital DLG Tools, burned to disk by me. As I said both optical disks boot fine on any other computer I put them in.
There are no jumper switches on the back of the floppy, so that's not a problem. The jumper switch on the DVD burner, which is a Samsung SH-S202N, is set to master as per the instruction sheet for the drive and is the only drive on the IDE channel.
Am I overlooking something?
:confused:
I've had problems with Partition Magic too. Are your disks in raid mode, and connected to Intel Matrix Controller?Quote:
Originally Posted by traveler
Ive tried cpu vcore up to 1.45v, this cpu has a vid of 1.275v also it was 3.8ghz stable in a 790i with 1.35vQuote:
Originally Posted by Zucker2k
It's not how much vcore you're giving, it's about getting the combination of vcore, fsbt, and vnb dialed in. In my own experience, sometimes, a one step notch on the vcore leads could lead to numerous boot crashes. Just set your ratio/fsb to 8x333 and bump it 2 fsbs at a time and let me know at which point it fails to complete a boot.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAR
Also be weary of CPU_GTL reference ratio. You may need to shift it up or down sometimes along with adjusting FSB_VTT either way also. These 2 along with what Zucker mentioned can make or break stability on this board. It's not about how much vCore you give it, but giving it in the right balance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zucker2k
Gar,
Im not sure why your NB temp is so high unless you are giving it > 1.50v. I finally got around to AS5'ing my NB earlier this evening and with 1.43V in bios idle is at 32c, full load is at 36-37c this is with 40x40x20mm fan on NB. Temps dropped ~ 5-6c idle and load with AS5. Was going to lap the NB heat sink but it actually wasnt too bad at all.
a trick! if only. performance level seems dependent on how good quality the ICs on the dimms are. I cant get mine to post with PL6 above 400 fsb, and i've tried for hours. perhaps there is something simple I overlooked dunno. I always use 333/400 strap though. Perhaps that is why. I find they are the most stable but also internal MCH timings are tighter when using either of these 2 straps, so maybe that is why PL6 is hard to achieve. I can run PL7 at 490fsb no problems, but PL6 doesn't ever want to get past det dram.Quote:
Originally Posted by panheimer
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Originally Posted by Zucker2k
The hard drives are in the default BIOS IDE mode and connected to the SATA ports. New drives, 500 gigs, blank and unformated.
The optical is connected to the PRI_IDE port. It seems to read the Asus Rampage Formula motherboard disk fine. It seems to boot to a "make disk" menu.
The floppy is connected to the floppy port. However, I think the floppy drive is shot. (brand new samsung internal floppy drive) I just reconnected it to another computer and the green light stays on and it won't read a disk now. :(
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Hmm, you could be plugging the cable in the wrong way, but I doubt. Why don't turn the cable over and plug it in and see if that helps.Quote:
Originally Posted by traveler
BIOS 0407
ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/mb/so...rmula-0407.zip
No tech info
Just checked on EZ Flash:Quote:
Originally Posted by DEFLORATOR
0408 - is dated 07/10/08
0407 - is dated 06/27/08
I guess the raid-controllers problem is not solved.
I have my new Rampage comming tomorrow, got a great Q6600 and 2 4750's ready to go,,,,
can;t wait to start playing with it,,,,
Regards
Steve
here what i did BUT 1st both those setting from Zucker & oo3 didn't fly with SlickSlappy
BUT this stuff did ! & look at those temps !
here's the shot of Prime Blend & it's Rock Stable
& the ODD thing is look at the temps & CPU volts when under Prime Blend
Cpu Volts @ 1.336 v when idle
Cpu volts @ 1.296 v when full load of prime
ambiant room temps for the above is 26.7 & water temp out of the CPU is 28.1 difference between temp probs is .2 when system is off for a day
that all with a DD TDX block/GTX360 push/pull & a ddc with a Petra's top on the test bed the stock Asus cooling .... gonna water it the rest of the way this weekend
;p
OH Yeah the memory is running at 890 memory divider is 1;1
has anybody managed to get PL6 to post on 333 strap? I've no problem getting it to post on 266 / 400, even PL6 with pull-in on A1/B1 to PL5 posts on 400 strap. PL6 on 333 with 5:6 divider just refuses to straight out post, how odd. Even with > 1.6v vNB. PL5 needs around 1.63-1.65V vNB on 3:4 divider / 400 strap at 435FSB/DDR2-1160
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Originally Posted by Zucker2k
Ha! Thanks Zucker2k.
The test rig has a flat plug floppy drive cable. No notch. It was in backwards. I turned it around and the floppy drive worked perfectly.
So I put the tested floppy drive back into the Rampage Formula.
The Rampage Formula has a notched floppy cable so you can't plug it in backwards there but I made sure the cable was lined up correctly anyway. The Rampage Formula still won't read the disk in the drive. The RF will POST. I can go into the BIOS and see "1st floppy drive" in the boot sequence. But after exiting the BIOS, the floppy drive light will go on for a couple seconds, go off, and then the monitor says "Please place boot media into a boot device and press any key". I press a key and the same error message appears. I remove the floppy disk and put it into another computer and there it boots into Memtest86+ just fine. :(
Do I have a defective motherboard?
:confused:
The temps on my northbridge are 49°-51° and the temps on my southbridge are 45°-47°. That's after replacing the stock thermal material with Ceramique. It's a bit warm. Would that cause my drive reading problem?
:confused:
sorry mate,
I've ordered a rampage formula and a E8600
wich bios I need for that cpu?
thanks
wich problem?:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by SirDaemon
I tried Zucker2k settings on my board and looks like i manage to lower the VTT voltage from 1,38 V to 1,28 V on 450 fsb. For NB any step lower than 1,55 V for 450 fsb its ending with BSOD or freeze. Looks like im not too lucky with my NB but at least the temp will be much better after i put a Thermalright HR-05 SLI / IFX on NB. Right now with 1,55 V on NB i have 48c idle and maxim 60c load with OCCT or Prime blend running for more than 1 hour.
Too low VTT means you need higher vNB to compensate for reduced NB GTL_REF voltage.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaLiu
Even if i set VTT to 1,38V i cant lower the voltage on NB, so what is the point to keep VTT at 1,38 V if i cant lower the vNB?Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeyakame
0407.Quote:
Originally Posted by diablos
What performance level and strap are you using? Adjust VTT up and bring NB_GTLREF ratio down. Should help you relieve vNB somewhat. Anywhere from 0.56x -> 0.63x. Ratio is based on FSB_VTT.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaLiu
I'm using 400 strap, PL6 & 438FSB at the moment and need 1.53V NB but PL7 only needs 1.39V with 333 strap upto 450FSB for moi. 400 strap, 500FSB and PL7 needs 1.57V-1.59V vNB.
u guys have to remember, the rampage formula has a .1 Drop on VTT. meaning you type in 1.38 VTT, and get 1.28 Real. so you could probly up it a bit
PL8 and Strap is AUTO. I never played with GTLREF, they are both on AUTO. What do you think should i do?Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeyakame
On the maximus formula thread there are some post about 0308 and newer bios. i've used 0406 until yesterday when i've swapped to hte 0308 one. for now i'm pleased with this one, as keeping all my previous settings i've gained some benefits in memory bandwidth and latency.
i've noticed that the 0308 has an higher tREF, 16383 vs. 3120 of 0406. hard to believe that this could be only tREF change that lead to a improved performance, but still wondering why it's reduced in newer bios? and why there isn't a parameter in bios that lets you change it manually!
but the main question is: the newer bios wich on one hand is intented to improve compatibility on the other hand may be limiting ocing possibility?
do you find harder to get high CPU oc, high FSB or lower PL with newer bios?