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    All 7900 owners please check something..!

    I was doing some testing today with my XFX 7900GTX and noticed something during a temp test with ATiTool..
    On 2D mode all is well but as soon as I hit the artifact scanner and even more clear when you just hit the Show 3D view there's this high pitched noise coming out of the back of the card where the volt regulator is located.

    I had my case open and have a very silent system and it spotted my attention immediately... Although for some you might need to listen up close..
    I know nothing about electronics but it sounds like some sort of interference of some sort... maybe a capacitator or something..

    Can you verify if the same noise comes from your card...?

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    Some stuff with my 7800. I can hear it when running 3D Marks. It is my video card, and I don't know where it is exactly.
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    My 7900GT did the same in the beginning but after a while it stopped, or maybe I just don't hear it anymore.

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    Another thing I noticed... when you run ATiTool... toggle between 3D view and artifact scanning several times then all of a sudden my FPS drops from 700+ to a mere 150-200 and won't go up unless I restart the tool.
    It would appear as it downclocks itself or reverts to 2D speeds..?

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    OMFG! http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&page=1&pp=25

    Do the 7900 cards have the same capacitor issue....?

    2.3 Listening noisy audio

    This method sounds quite wierd, but the more I have been playing with this problem the more sure I am that mysterius sound/audio generated by 6800le-card is related to BS-problem. In order to test whether you have encounter this issue see chapter 5.4 for details. I considered that noisy audio is generated by oscillating switching regulator, and having such case makes the card more vulnerable to rapid deterioration of filtering capacitors (=could finally lead to BS). Therefore, I suggest detecting 'noisy audio' is warning signal: the card is going to give BS some day !
    That's the noise I was talking about..!

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    Guess they are trying to produce these cards as cheap as possible. This maybe related to all those problems people are having with 7900GTs.

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    I get this very high pitched noise when my screen corrupts.
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    It's a sudden increase in voltage when the card is put under load.... s7 explained it to me.
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    More info is coming... this time from a Dutch forum where I'm also a member of tweakers.net and Mr-Beamer did a very interesting thermal test on XFX 7900GT...


    Image of the GT.. top of the image is the Zalman 9500.. on the right observer the white spot..


    Enlarged image of the white spot... white represents heat which is over 80°C as you can see..


    Regular shot of the problem area and you'll see the ISL6549 chip which produces the problem..

    Googling for the chip gives us the info that the chip is rated up to 70°C and not the 80.8°C measured..
    So in short... the back end card is overheating and this proves it.

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    hmm nice find, i got the same noise from my card (7900gtx) when its switching 2d/3d in between 3dmark tests. ill try putting a heatsink on that chip tonight, see if that helps the card..
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    I'm going to give up on this crap.. today the lockups and artifacts started again..
    nVidia can shove their 7900 cards up their ass. I'm going back to ATI

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightCrawler™
    I'm going to give up on this crap.. today the lockups and artifacts started again..
    nVidia can shove their 7900 cards up their ass. I'm going back to ATI

    i already did it


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    Quote Originally Posted by NightCrawlerâ„¢
    I'm going to give up on this crap.. today the lockups and artifacts started again..
    nVidia can shove their 7900 cards up their ass. I'm going back to ATI

    Thats kind of funny, because the BBATI X1900XTX I have, makes the same noise in 3dmark05, so I got a 7950GX2 to replace it.. I couldnt have been happier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arisythila
    Thats kind of funny, because the BBATI X1900XTX I have, makes the same noise in 3dmark05, so I got a 7950GX2 to replace it.. I couldnt have been happier.

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    I thought of switching to nvidia but I guess they make the same noise...

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    I just got a Sapphire X1900XTX and apart from the "holy crap" noise it makes it totally owns so far..

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    Hmmm I have been wondering wtf that noise was for awhile now. That concerns me a little bit.
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    My 7900GT hasn't made any noise but that of its fan. Got a 9600pro here that does make a very high pitch sound though.

    Now about that back area- I can not hold a finger on those chips for even a second because they are so hot. Is it safe to put a heatsink on them.. say a cut up AXP heatsink?

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    I don't see why not... but IMO once the chip got overheated it's going to get worse regardless any fans..
    I had 2 72CFM fan blowing over that area and it still froze up on me... not as bad as without the fans but still it froze up..

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    It seems like corners were cut to keep these cards as cheap as possible. I had problems with my Club3d 7900gt locking up before I directed a fan towards that area, for now it seems to be completely stable in FEAR (which I find very taxing for the card) clocked at 530/1600 @stock volts. But those voltage regulators (or whatever they are) still get insanely hot, even at stock clocks. I am thinking about putting heat sinks on them.
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    Just an FYI, the SOIC package can handle junction temps up to 150C. So, 80C would be well within tolerance. The regulator also has a built in thermal shutdown. I believe the 0 to 70C temp you found was the operating environment for the chip, not the tolerance of the actual chip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frodin
    It seems like corners were cut to keep these cards as cheap as possible. I had problems with my Club3d 7900gt locking up before I directed a fan towards that area, for now it seems to be completely stable in FEAR (which I find very taxing for the card) clocked at 530/1600 @stock volts. But those voltage regulators (or whatever they are) still get insanely hot, even at stock clocks. I am thinking about putting heat sinks on them.
    You are just thinking about putting a HS on? I did it at an instant when I first read about it and felt the IC with my finger and it was like "Ouch!" That was it, HS on! I dunno, I guess this is why my card never has a single hiccup since I have it (from a Step Up). A lot of people are complaining about this problem, yet no one seems to take the time to put a heatsink on this particularly "HOT" IC. Having read so many users having this problem, if I were to get a new card, the first thing after I have taken out the card is to put a heatsink on this special IC.
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    Got the same noise with my 7600GT if I run a 3Dmark, but I think its louder wen I overclock the card...I will test this again later.
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    Even my two 6600GT's make these weird high pitched sounds when i 3DMark changes from loading screen to 3D :/

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    Interesting if you look at the datasheet where they warn for volt spikes which can easely damage the chip... (page 14 of the PDF)
    There is no maximum spec for PHASE spike below GND,
    however, there is an absolute maximum rating for (BOOT
    PHASE) of 7V; exceeding this limit can cause damage to t
    IC, and possibly to the system. Since the BOOT signal is
    typically 5V above the PHASE node most of the time, it on
    takes a few volts of a spike on either signal to exceed the
    limit. A good design should be characterized by using the
    math function or differential probe, and monitoring these
    signals for compliance, especially during full loads, where
    the signals are usually the noisiest.

    If the power efficiency of the system is important, then other
    FET parameters are also considered. Efficiency is a
    measure of power losses from input to output, and it
    contains two major components: losses in the IC (mostly in
    the gate drivers) and losses in the FETs. Optimizing the sum
    involves many trade-offs (for example, raising the voltage of
    the gate drivers typically adds power to the IC side, but may
    reduce some power on the FET side). For low duty cycle
    applications (such as 12V in to 1.5V out), the upper FET is
    usually chosen for low gate charge, since switching losses
    are key, while the lower FET is chosen for low R
    ,
    DS(ON)
    since it is on most of the time. For high duty cycles (such as
    3.3V in to 2.5V out), the opposite is true.

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    i have the same noise.... but i cant comment if it is normal as 1: i have a VMod 2: i accidentally broke of a capacitor and stck it back on 3: i have a VMem mod

    but i think im gunna rma as it is pretty loud
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