http://www.techpowerup.com/140422/AS...therboard.html
http://en.inpai.com.cn/doc/enshowcont.asp?id=7960
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130565
Zoom in on the picture of the top down view, look right above the chipset heatsink, below the CPU socket.
Apparently it does. Wonder why there needs to be a socket change at all then and why all 890FX boards dont get AM3+ support?
Does anyone know what features the 990FX has that the 890FX doesnt?
no, its not about chipset, but about new socket, this board is hybrid older chipset+news area socket. But do not it logical sense to launch it! 990 board will be in market in the same time +-. So this board is AM3+ maybe, but with older chipset. Nothing more.
MSI has been advertising the GD65 as AM3+ compatible even though it isn't, support has been telling people it's AM3+ compatible with a bios update as well, but they are wrong, as the CPU wont even fit into the socket.Quote:
Originally Posted by EniGmA1987
The ASRock board has the new socket I believe.
I'm not sure for now...
But my asus ch4 formula does have an odd socket name I've never heard of before.
It says socket 941 under the socket (note 940 for ddr1 server opty boards, and 940 for am2's...).
Wait until the new cpu's actually come out to find out for sure :).
Or perhaps an amd rep will step in and give us the lowdown.
My understanding (always questionable) is that the 'electricals' get massaged for power-gating and the new Turbo for AM3+.
And I won't be surprised if some enterprising OEMs get creative with AM3 BIOSes to enable Zambezi with reduced function on AM3 (if folks at XS don't beat them to it :D ).
AMD will huff and puff as they did with core-unlocking (but will secretly be doing back-flips of joy as BD-Zs fly off vendors shelves at high margins)
Guys, nooooo, its 100% confirmed long time!!! AMD Zambezi is AM3+ only! And AM3+ has +1 more pin for socket! So as I said here:http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...00&postcount=3
I think someone will invent mod changing AM3 socket to AM3+.
It will be similar to good old FCPGA mod for Pentium III Tualatin
Then why would the MSI support tell people otherwise? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by FlanK3r
I mentioned something iffy about the socket on my crosshair IV on another thread here.
Looking at the PINs at the bottom of the X6 CPU and the two motherboards I had - I could swear there was a difference between my Asus M4A89GTD/Pro USB3 and the Crosshair IV Formula I got. One pin hole extra on the Crosshair IV, which is not present on the M4a89gtdpro.........
I can't confirm this now as I don't have my m4a89gtdpro :(
I guess it is also possible for AMD to make (a cut down version?) BDs for AM3 socket + 890FX chipset, but we just don't know what is going on.
Nobody from AMD is talking, only some partners are in the loop, so all we can do is wait and see.
its mistake from MSI, solved it at forums for months ago! AMD said, Zambezi is AM3+ only! AM3+ has 942 pins, not as AM3 socket!Quote:
Originally Posted by schoolslave
http://www.foxconn.com/NWInG/catalog...XPowerLite.pdf
Drill a hole in the socket or break the extra pin off the cpu lmao.Quote:
Originally Posted by arroyo
Just joking :).
They used to make convert boards for diff sockets and slots to run cpu's that didn't belong to that platform.
But some of them didn't work for shiz anyway (s7 to ss7 socket converters).
Plus it was much harder to get the heatsink on afterwards.
A mod for this is truly not worth da hassle.
It is kind of strange for amd to leave the 890fx boards in the the dust like this though.
Usually you can at least get a new gen cpu or 2 before you need to upgrade the board.
What's odd I think is that if there isn't gonna be any extra mem channels, why bother changing the socket at all...
Doesn't really make much sense to me why they would drop support like that, Amd is known for the socket compatibility, while intel moves from one socket to the next every year it seems.
But who's to say, we'll really have to wait and see.
I don't have my hopes up though (especially since FlanK3r mentioned 942 pins).
I'm pretty content with my 1090t anyways ;).
Would be nice to see drop in support for 8-12 core cpu's..., mm 12 cores :D.
What in the world would need that many cores, from a standered pc program perspective.
Solitaire maybe lol?
AMD should have push out Socket AM3+ board sooner .....:(
They probably don't have enough chipsets fabbed yet for a general rollout.Quote:
Originally Posted by imamage
i guess it is AM3+ "compatible" after all
zoomin the socket
http://www.asrock.com/mb/photo/890FX...xe5%28m%29.jpg
http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.as...90FX%20Deluxe5
The ASRock board is, the MSI is not.
That will not be supported.Quote:
Originally Posted by AbortRetryFail?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kobaltrock
That will not happen.
How will be diference between AM3+ with 890FX and AM3+ with 990FX? Its chipset important for new Turboor this is important for CPU/socket?
No one knows for sure yet, but I'm guessing the chipset has nothing to do with the new turbo features of BD. In my opinion, I believe the new turbo features will work just like they do on current Thubans.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlanK3r
dosnt the chipset let it use the different Pstates?
This is definitely looking a bit odd (better?).
While looking for an '890' board to tide me over until bulldozer, i was checking out the Gigabyte GA-890GPA-UD3H.
On the product page for this board there are now 5 revisions.
Rev1.0 to rev3.0 all have the familiar cream coloured socket and state 'Support for Socket AM3 processors: AMD Phenom™ II processor / AMD Athlon™ II processor' in the specification tab.
Rev3.1 have the newer black socket that is now popping up and in the specifications states;
'AM3+ Socket:
1. Support for AMD AM3+ processor
2. Support for AMD AM3 Phenom™ II processor / AMD Athlon™ II processor'
This is looking more an more likely that Bulldozer will fit in an older type board that has the correct newer physcally different socket. I don't see how many manufacturers can have gotten this so wrong now that they're at the stage of having actual boards out there.
Check it out here: http://www.gigabyte.com/products/pro...id=3785&dl=#ov , cycle through the revisions at the top of the page and you'll see what i mean.
Maybe they are 'backwards compatible' but only when the socket on the boards is the new type...which means buying a new board anyway......but could be a more cost effective upgrade cycle as you could buy a new motherboard (with your existing AM3 CPU still working with it) and then buy a new CPU instead of having to buy both at once.
The black socket is AM3+, but to make sure zoom in and if it says AM3b it will support BD.
There is only one version of bulldozer for client systems and that only works in AM3+ sockets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kobaltrock
Very few people will buy boards before the processor is out. There might be a handful, of folks that want to do that, but 99% of the people will wait and buy both together.Quote:
Originally Posted by imamage
Even those that say they will buy a board before BD launches will probably still wait to see if any other boards with different specs are out before they make their decision.
...but i'm itching to get an AM3+ socket with 890FX chipset :D :D :D
That's the puzzle. There's directly opposing information (I say information, I really should say baseless rumours!) out there..Quote:
Originally Posted by FlanK3r
AMD has chipset problems and delayed showing off Bulldozer.
There's little difference between 8xx and 9xx.
If there's such a small difference then where would chipset issues come into it, and why would the TDP be higher on 9xx than 8xx.
dont think so...If will be 990FX and 890FX simillary, cant be problems. Wait to JF information...I think, launch will be as all in one= chipset+new CPU= new great platform. Maybe better for launch as Scorpion monster.
For what it's worth JF has already said he isn't hearing anything about chipset problems from the desktop people.
From the info I been hearing is the problem with the AM3 boards is the voltage reg. The AM3+ CPU's need a different voltage reg that can control voltage per core real time and the AM3 boards can only change voltage real time for all cores. I think the its the voltage reg and not the chipset thats the problem the the AM3 boards.
I have been in impression that compatibility is not issue of chipset but issue of socket and power lanes and such.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlanK3r
So old 8 series chipsets would not work, but new would work just by doing mobo with socket AM3+
.......and it looks like it does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartidiot89
maybe u have right...Quote:
Originally Posted by SnipingWaste
I am not aware of any chipset issues. The fact that we are running BD on the same server chipsets that we introduced in 2009 *might* be an indicator that there is little truth to those rumors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Halk
People need to understand that that chipsets and sockets are not the same thing.
For those that have to use a magnoifying glass to see the difference like me :P
ASRock on the top, MSI on the bottom
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/993/asrock.png
http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/1240/msiw.png
Looks like gigabyte is upgrading some of their 8xx boards to rev 3.1, now most seem to have a gray am3b socket.
That won't be the responsibility of the voltage regulator. CPUs do power gating internally. The regulator just has to provide the power rail to draw from.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnipingWaste
Thanks Hawkeye4077 for those pics.
Looks like one extra pin is on the am3+ cpu's so they won't fit older am3 boards.
...
/me grabs drill and drills hole in socket, gets dmm and checks to see where extra pin went, hooks up extra pin to whatever and plugs in new cpu, jaja it works :up:.
Just messing...
That msi is mislabled for am3+ support :shocked:.
...or could it be that those 890FX chipsets used on AM3+ mobos are really early productions of 990xx chips? just a speculation :P
MSI has been mislabeling them for a while now :/Quote:
Originally Posted by NEOAethyr
yay!
If this is true, then what would the extra PIN hole be for on the 900 series boards? Is it for a future chip? Kind of strange.....
Could it be that Llano will have one extra pin, because of the integrated video and FX series have the same count of pins as the current AM3 generation.
This means FX processors will fit in all current AM3 motherboards if there's a bios update...
I have to wonder what the change is to where AMD insists on a new chipset, such as if it's a "yeah, it'll technically work, but there are some performance sacrifices you'll have to live with" situation.
Well, that would explain the delay with release of AM3+ boards.Quote:
Originally Posted by nex_73
Amazing if true! :D
How can it be possible?:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by nex_73
JF said that it won't work.
It's 101% that Llano won't work in AM3 or AM3+. It will have a brand new package called FM1.Quote:
Originally Posted by I.nfraR.ed
Yeah, my bad...unless it ends up on AM3+, needs one extra pin and new chipset to control the data from/to the integrated video, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oliverda
no, its not true...impossible. Maybe only new revision old names with new AM3+ socket area. Thats all.Quote:
Originally Posted by charged3800z24
Sure we can find an excuse to RMA our CHIV's if they keep the same names lol :rolleyes:
oh geez now I'm confused...this Asus announcement really stumps me as I can't see how they would make new revisions of old boards just to support am3+, but that really does appear to be the only way.
Why would they make another CHIV for 890FX and then have a 990FX coming out also. Seems kind of backwards.
The link shows motherboards with future design ( M5Axxx ) based on 880G and 760G chipset. The scene looks like the 1GHz and 2.6GHz HT clock support back from Athlon64 to Phenom transition. Even today 1GHz HT boards based on old Nvidia chipset support all AMD processors including X6.Quote:
Originally Posted by nex_73
I don't see any wrong here. Compatibility is always welcome.
Maybe the maximum performance/ best power management of the new processors depends on the support of a new chipset. Yet previous users of 890GX/FX can use the new processors.
I don't think that Asus will release a new version of old boards since the close launch of 990 family.
Waiting for the release .....
Asus and MSI are now saying it IS possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlanK3r
I guess we can just wait and see.
I could swear there was a pin difference in sockets between the CHIV I've got recently and the first gen M4a89gtdpro-usb3 board i had. Lets hope its not just them 'special' grey sockets that support am3+ only.
My Crosshair IV Formula can take a Bulldozer... ? That's pretty pleasing... but puzzling too, I was sure it wasn't possible.
the msi 990
http://www.tweaktown.com/popImg.php?...86_01_full.png
the sockets are keyed different (top left) so we need to see a cpu and if it has a key of 3 no pin on the bottom left (top left when u put it in) then it will work, if not then it wont.
and amd i think is using an in chip IGP with am3+ and the BD so some may and some may not work
just quoting some guy from the asus beta bios thread talking about the CHIV new beta bios:
Dr_Swizz
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I am not sure updating to the latest BIOS for the C4F is a good idea. The changelog says:
"For testing AM3+ CPU Function only, do no update this BIOS while using AM3 or previous type CPUs!"
and its got a new function which seems to link in with new power gating stuff mentioned for bulldozer? Don't know hmm
At Gigabyte website: "Get Ready for New Generation of 32nm AMD AM3+ CPU "
GA-890GPA-UD3H v3.1 ( dark grey cpu slot )
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/pro...px?pid=3785#ov
yah that one has no key on the side near the cpu-8pin and its were the key for am3+ changes.Quote:
Originally Posted by zhadoom
That would be awesome if I did have one of those "special sockets on either of my 890 boards but I doubt it. I'll look at mine later on tomorrow. :)
It's not true.Quote:
Originally Posted by zhadoom
The ASUS M2N32 boards support up to Phenom II 940 fine, 955-975 with a workaround.
There is a modded bios out for the EVGA/XFX/Foxconn board by bios-mods.com to support up to X6, though I don't think anyone has tried it yet. (I'm gonna try it with my 565 when I get time)
There we have it: http://event.asus.com/2011/mb/AM3_PLUS_Ready/
:) :) :)
^ Tada!!! now it gets more confusing lol :P
i wonder if the 790xx series will also be compatible :)
http://www.pctreiber.net/2011/amd-am...s-nutzbar.html
about some limitations at AM3 BIOS upgrade
Trading some power management features for not having to buy another board - why not. Sounds fair.
I like this: http://event.asus.com/2011/mb/AM3_PLUS_Ready/
AWESOME !!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by zoomee
Now I can keep my Favorite board (Crosshair IV Formula )
and have fun with Bulldozer instead of buying a new board :D:D:D
hm, I dont know, Im for maximal performance and better power management , others I dont care. Its totaly new CPU, not old K10 :-( (K10 coming from K8!)
I know, this handy tool will come with all BDs to make it fit on AM3 boards!Quote:
Originally Posted by zanzabar
:D
i would like to see this be true. would make me feel much better about my recent purchase. but ya where will those pins go that are on the am3+ sockets that are not on the am3 sockets?
Maybe only the socket has the extra pin. We don't know what is on the CPU...yetQuote:
Originally Posted by SkullCracka
Remember, Phenom II isn't using all the 941 pins the AM3 socket has, the extra pin might be for future product or for high end Zambezi. I guess we will know soon enough.
ya first round probly will not utilize those pins makes since. not gona jump on that waggon this time though since i just got a 1100T yesterday. first round im scared of since the what were the models 9600 and 9500 eeek then got a 9850 that wasnt much better.
I just read a response from JFAMD
Ok, so officially, there is no support, however, using that tool I mentioned above, it will fit! :DQuote:
AMD is not supporting BD on AM3 sockets. Period.
Maybe we will get unofficial support from AMD's partners.
I just find this odd that all the mobo makers are saying yes, and AMD says nope. :shrug:
So any instability problems that may happen amd says "we do not support it, if motherboard manufacturers allow for them to be used in older boards it's not our fault" or something similar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kobaltrock
Ths really suits me. It means I can go BD right away and then pick and choose the best motherboard - or stick with the IV Formula if the new boards don't offer anything.
Ok, a little more info from kinc
So there you have the explaination to why it doesn't work on ex: gigabyte boards before v3.1Quote:
Featured AM3 processors such PII X6 uses 938 of 940 AM3s connection entries (two of which were never and are not routed by default, except the cards ASUS lists in their press release). AM3 + socket has 941 connections. AM3 + CPUs, however, has 940 connections, the exact same number of AM3 socket. Hence it is suitable even reasonable physical. Just be aware that it "only" works in practice with the motherboards on ASUS list.
Important to say is that it's only those who work when they have the correct routing to the power circuitry to operate a AM3 + CPUs.
Asus has routed the extra am3 socket pin-holes on the listed models, where the other manufacturers have not.
It doesnt matter if AMD don't support it. They didn't support core unlocking on the 800 series but the motherboard manufacturers still managed to implement it ;)
Whats important is that the motherboard manufacturer will support it - And in this case Asus have made it clear they will with certain boards :clap: (and the beta bios proves they are working on it)
So everyone but Asus was being lazy... nice. :shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by nex_73
GJ, Asus, really. I would be really glad if I had an Asus board right now.
Looks like we can dismiss all the doubts about the new CPUs working in the old boards right now.
Its pretty much the same thing i have going with the Foxconn A79A-S ,1055T works fine, but turbo and cnq work like crap.But setting everything manually works like a charm.
AMD screwed up on this one in my books.They could just say that the official launch platform will consist of 9xx chipsets with AM3+ sockets and backwards compatibility while possible will be in the hands of mainboard manufacturers (which was anyway always the case with backwards compatibility).
Instead they went
1.Yay! AM3 will support BD`s go ahead and change from your current am2+`s!
2.Were sorry guys, it wont, we need new socket/chipset combo for it to work.
3.Actually we dont need new socket or chipset, even 7xx will work, however we wont tell you that, its gonna be a press release from a mb manufacturer(maybe).
Thats messed up.
EDIT and BTW.
It makes me a customer for future asus boards tho.Thumbs up for them this instance.
I don't understand why AMD want kill one of the best features that they have (platform compatibility), Intel says officially that IB will be supported by SB mobos, so, if AMD goes in this way is like kill himself in the market.
My current mobo is a Gigabyte 890FXA-UD5 Rev. 2.0, but the Rev. 3.0 says AM3+ but with the same 890FX and SB850 chipsets. Here are the pics.
http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/1363/am3vsam3.th.jpg
Same chipset, so, that's no the problem for not be compatible.
If BD isn't compatible with my current mobo, I'll have to buy a new mobo soon.
And now its clear:up:. Only one mistake from KINC...AM3+ socket = 942pins, not 941:)Quote:
Originally Posted by nex_73
its not! Looks at, ASUS made for 3/4 years AGO Cross IV Formula with activ all socket pins (940), normaly has AM3 socket only 938 aktiv pins, because Thuban and Denebs need 938.Quote:
Originally Posted by saint19
And now ASUS know specifications etc and they have a few AM3 models with 940 activ pins in socket. There is the diferent. Very prudent move form ASUS.
PS: I have Cross IV Formula and new Extreme, but for Zambezi I want new one with higher performance for Bulldozer.
Somene had posted before that there was some kind of wattage increase on the next gen chipset?
If that were the case then wouldn't the 890fx be the better anyways?
Runs cooler, uses less power, has same functionality, etc.
As for the northbridge, my bet is that its exactly same chip, just with enabled iommu which by default was off on most 890FX mainboards, and that slightly increases chipset load.
Same functionality with same process node leads me to believe that.Also, am3+ doesnt require new chipset (and im talking about proper am3+ socket mainboards, not just AM3 with a bios update)
I would be glad to be proven otherwise tho.
a speculation by me:
http://prohardver.hu/dl/upc/2011-03/...socket_am3.png
See, I had this dream last night...
May be they wanted to launch Bulldozer based desktop chips earlier but there was a 990series based boards with chipset issues. manufatures, Like Asus, decided to gear up for 890 series support to keep from any further delay. After testing is finished, AMD will decide to do a suprised early launch of Zambezi CPUs...:up:
oh well...
ASUS is one of the few board manufacturers that enables the use of unregistered ECC ram in it's bios. Most (maybe all) of the AMD cpu's support it, even non-Opterons. Other manufacturers just don't go to the trouble of enabling this capability in the bios.Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
So I would give ASUS a double good job. :up:
Here's a thousand words.
http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/...IMG_2769-1.jpg
How is that possibly a thousand words? Everyone knows the Deluxe5 is an AM3+ board :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by MacClipper
^ yup! it's on the first page already :P
Can you see the difference? I can.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oliverda
Actually I created the picture. So the answer is yes.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by saint19
At Gigabyte Website a new AM3+ section with various boards based on amd 890,880,870 and 770 chipsets.
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/lis...id=10&p=2&v=26
MSI have announced AM3+ compatibility for some boards too:
http://us.msi.com/index.php?func=newsdesc&news_no=939
I saw that a couple of days ago too. Kind of exciting news , but then again we'll have to wait until June to know for sure. That would be nice if it were a definite though.Quote:
Originally Posted by zoomee
^ why would they advertise that those mobo are AM3+ OK if it was not definite?