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GTX 460 768MB @$179.99
GTX 460 1GB @$219.99
Prices are lower with MIR
newegg prices
Huh ? I thought that was the price in the beginning.
Launch prices are higherQuote:
Originally Posted by alucasa
I don't think its nvidia as I don't really see a reason for them to drop 460 pricing yet, but rather Asus, Palit and such fighting each other on the price front.
AFAIK they have always been 200-220
It does look like that doesn't it? The majority of other cards are the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by naokaji
Palit seems to be the most aggressive with pricing that I've seen so far. Recently mwave was offering the Palit 1gb 460 for $175 AR + FS, I was very tempted.
this is my Next card:)Quote:
GTX 460 1GB @$219.99
i will buy 2 card (GTX 460 SLI), and Overclocking to 830MHz :D..... that will kick HD 5970 ASS :D
I've been keeping eyes on 460 price for a while especially on the egg. It hasn't dramatically changed over time.Quote:
Originally Posted by onethreehill
And new hardware generally go down in price with time being. Of course, HD 5850 was a huge exception to that.
8800gt was also a huge exception as well with its selling price running wild after launch.Quote:
Originally Posted by alucasa
While the msrp seems to be pretty static the street prices definitely seem to be creeping into bargain territory price wise when you add in IR, MIR, & FS.
Price drop confirmed!
Read more: http://www.techeye.net/hardware/nvid...#ixzz0ymYSdswUQuote:
It is not clear if this drop applies to both models of the GTX 460, the 768MB and 1GB versions, but with the lower memory GTX 460 selling for around $180, a $30 discount is pretty substantial, putting the card at a very reasonable $150.
The somewhat more expensive 1GB version ranges from around $220 to $260, so the discount puts the cheapest of those at $190, which is just enough below the $200 mark to encourage more buyers.
So, what has prompted this move? Well, Nvidia's newest card, the GTS 450, is expected to retail for between $129 and $149 (or between £99 and £129 in the UK). While it is a much less beefier piece of kit than the GTX 460, the price is low enough for some people to consider dual-SLIing two GTS 450s instead of having just a single GTX 460.
I paid $180CAD for my 768MB at launch. And $220CAD for my 1GB cards. So I don't think they changed.
Yeah it could be the threat of GTS 450 SLI. Or it could be the threat of the imminent AMD update. If current rumours become reality Nvidia will find itself in a relatively deep hole, real fast.
I can tell you from first hand experience, no matter what you pay for a GTX 460, +/- $20 or $30, you will be so satisfied with it you won't care about a price variance. If you buy 2 of them for SLI, you'll be amazed at how well they scale. 80% to 90% is not unusual. Dollar for dollar, it's the best upgrade I ever made. I'm just sorry that 3 way SLI is not possible with the 460, or I'd be out buying another one right now! A friend told me he believes these 460s will have a similar impact on the market as did the 8800GT a few years back, I think he's correct. Just my 2 cents worth. :D
huh? this is odd... why does nvidia lower the prices? this is a great card for a great price...
is demand too low??? maybe too many people are camping and waiting for atis refresh? but then lowering 460 prices wont really help to sell more...
hmmm weird...
Seems like 8800GT effect wasnt all that way off , new ati cards incoming so this is going to get beaten as a single card solution, SLI will still be pure gravy :D
Well, better get all of those GTX 460s in stock sold before a new, mean guy named "Bart" shows up in the street ready to spank some rear. :D A nice effect of strong competition, even a great value card priced so sensibly with good performance can get discounted at its peak life period. :)
I read yesterday on some fud type news site they were going to cut 460 prices in retaliation to compete with the 6770.
The 460 isn't even released here and prices are getting slashed
Fudo has a related article...
http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/gra...-lose-millions
Which was taken from here:
http://www.kitguru.net/components/gr...lose-millions/
If you ask me, this is just to create news so people go run out and buy, GTX460 is already overpriced considering its on par with GTX285 in some cases 285 being faster and can be had for >$160 used. Yes its outdated but my point is the opening price for 460 should have been under $200, not to mention other factors like being so darn late to the market, Nvidia should practically be begging us to buy.
Now I see some noticeable drop in price today (7th Sept) by 20 CAD.
What this means to me is that there is 6000 series out there in the wild with different developers. Perhaps nvidia got info that the 6700 series is better then the 460 thus the price drop now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taskforce
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Originally Posted by lowfat
I agree, I see no price drop. gtx 460 launched at these prices.
NVIDIA cutted prices of all GeForces, look at European shops. GTX 480 for 380 USD at many shops ... and why producer are cutting prices? - because wants empty storages for something new! Why AMD dont pump down their prices, when is new generation so close? - Because, is not!
Perhaps ATI/AMD aren't reducing prices because people are buying all the stock at a satisfactory level with the current price. Your idea that they have no new products does not conform with the confirmed events detailing new amd products (and the actual pictures showing they exist)Quote:
Originally Posted by Zed_X
Maybe nvidia are preparing for a refresh too or know they have to cut prices because there is no refresh to compete with (the now) AMD's.
A small jump to Newegg shows HD5870 from HIS for $355.00 and the cheapest GTX480 I can find there goes for $440.00, the radeon is about 20% cheaper than the Geforce which is also on par with the performance difference (normally around 10-15%).Quote:
Originally Posted by Zed_X
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...CE&PageSize=20
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...CE&PageSize=20
I don't think AMD will reduce their prices either, their 5000 series is competitive with everything in the market and their new 6000 series will outperform everything in the market. If anything, 6000 will come at a premium (except for selected types such as 6770 for price/performance crown).
In my opinion if Nvidia wants to play ball with the 6000 series it will have to sell their GTX480 at $350.00, same price as the 5870 and thus offering more value.
I hope NVIDIA drops GTX460 prices because GF104 with 384SP is so close! :)
http://translate.google.com/translat...gtx-460-768-mb
According to sweclockers GTX 460 768MB will recieve a $30 pricecut in the next few days.
IMHO, nVidia desperately want to defend their marketshare, and GF 104 is cheap enough to be sold competitively without hurting their bottomline all that much (clearly much less profitable than AMD's current line up but i digress). GF 100 is just fanboy edition & HALO chip, while GF 104 is their true backbone in preserving their marketshare at the moment. They simply try to saturate & win the mainstream segment before Bart comes in and kick GF 104's butt convincingly, that not even their 384 SP part could rectify.
I'd buy it, but this entire generation from AMD/nvidia hasn't been enough of a jump.
prove it. I have yet to see details on when this will be. Most people seem to think it will end up being a dual chip option.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barys
THANK YOU!Quote:
Originally Posted by cegras
Yeah, they exists, but not for hard launch this year (maybe paper launch), sorry but you are imagining bussines like my wife, but reality is far away from your imaginations!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jowy Atreides
I'm glad to hear that, you must be a very rich man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zed_X
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...12#post4190012Quote:
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http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=1064Quote:
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http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=458Quote:
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http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=849Quote:
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http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=2593Quote:
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epic :ROTF: wish i could sig thisQuote:
Originally Posted by mindfury
There is little AMD can do to lower prices of 5k cards as they are selling above rsp. Basically market has decided the price that meets demand.
Lolz :rofl: :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by mindfury
That's how you do it. :clap::yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by mindfury
In the UK, prices have slashed as much as £40, now I will get 2 of these.
The £40 price drop is for 768MB or 1GB card?Quote:
Originally Posted by Metroid
It is only for the 768MB version :(
Well, the 768 version is still good enough to make the 5770 at the same price look bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Metroid
Also if you run SLI, shouldn't be a prob with mem capacity. :) The cheapest ones costs 140-150 EUR in germany atm for example so 280~300 EUR in SLI, cheapest HD 5870 is like 335 EUR and HD 5970 510 EUR or 400 EUR for a GTX 480! xD What would u rather pick? :p
id rather guess nvidia knows the 6000 series is coming in a couple of weeks and they want to saturate the market so they dont lose more market share, and get rid of their inventory, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zed_X
cause once the 6000 series is out they will have a hard time selling gf100 based parts and probably even gf104 etc... that makes a lot more sense, cause if there wouldnt be competition on the horizon, why would they lower prices if they already have the price performance advantage?
This is exactly what I'm thinking too. Especially IF rumors about Barts easily beating GTX 460 and being close to/match HD 5850 in performance and 200~$250 is true then Nvidia needs to sell these GTX 460 ASAP. :p GTX 460 isn't prolly intended to be a money making machine in first place but rather try and gain some market share which is also important. Of course they need money but they don't have great enough cards to allow this atm so they're making the best they can of the situation, perhaps a little bit on the desperate side if you ask me.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
this is obviously completely incorrect. nvidia makes around 50% margin on these chips.Quote:
Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD
Are You sure?Quote:
Originally Posted by bamtan2
50 % is pretty much.
Right. And I say that their margins are closer to 0 % than 40 % with these chips.Quote:
Originally Posted by bamtan2
In fact according to Charlie Nvidia actually loses money with each of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calmatory
okay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calmatory
the total margins for the company have grown from 45% to 47% over the past few quarters.
some things they sell will be over that, and some things will be under.
your guess is as good as mine. maybe quadro is 100% and geforce is 20% and factoring in sales quantities it ends up being 47% total. even in that case they are making a lot of money on geforce.
According to what? On one hand you have their financial results with 40%+ margins. What's your evidence for 0%?Quote:
Originally Posted by Calmatory
Well, you don't have any quarterly results with the GTX460 yet so you wouldn't possibly know what kind of margins they have on them...
I know I couldn't resist temptation. I snagged a palit 460 GTX 1gb sonic platinum for $200 new locally to tinker with for now. Not really much out these things can't handle when clocked up, so it'll make a fun tide-me-over card.
their quadro and tesla cards sell for how much? 3000-5000us$ right? and those cards dont cost a lot more than geforce cards... which they sell for 300-400$ these days... and i doubt they sell gf100 cards for a loss... which means they sell gf100 gpus for 200-300$, and it probably costs them 150-250$ to make them... that would be 20-33% yields, which they should def reach especially if you take into account the gtx465 and the quadro cards which are mostly damaged/broken chips...Quote:
Originally Posted by bamtan2
so that would mean they barely make any money on gf100 geforce cards, 25% margin max id say, wouldnt be surprised if its single digit margins...
but then look at their tesla and quadro cards, some of those actually use chips that are too damaged to be used as geforce cards, yet they sell for several thousand us$... still wonder where their profit and high asp comes from? :D
i guessed a gf100 costs them 150-250$ to make, and lets say the card costs 100$ on top of that... lets say tesla and quadro cards cost more, lets be really generous and lets say a tesla or quadro card costs nvidia 500$, thats really generous... and they sell for 3000-5000$... that would mean a margin of 600-1000%... :eek:
even if nvidia sold gf100 cards without making any money at all, all they would have to do to reach a 50% margin would be to sell 1 tesla/quadro card for every 12-20 geforce cards...
about the gtx460... nvidia managed to sell more of them in 1 month than they managed to sell gtx480 cards since april, which is 6 months...
so no matter how low their asp for gf104 is, and hence its margin, they sell 3x as many as gf100... so it all adds up...
overall i think nvidias good financial results are a result of their tesla and quadro lineup... ati was too cheap/greedy to invest in that segment in the past, which was clearly a mistake... on the other hand, nvidia risks going the way of 3dlabs if they focus too much on this segment...
anyways, nvidia knows what to sell, when to sell it and how to sell it...
if they are lowering the asp of 460s now despite its huge success, it means their yields are either spectacular, or they want to ruin the 6000 series party for ati... possibly both...
personally id still wait for what ati has to show as im not in a rush to upgrade... everything runs smooth with what i got... so the worst thing thatll happen is that a 460 is still the best card to get price perf wise, and that its price hasnt dropped even further while its lifetime has been reduced cause i didnt buy it earlier... no big deal... :D
forgot to add where i got my numbers from :D
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/?platform=pc
i really wonder what atis margins are... they sold almost 10x as many dx11 parts as nvidia and still make less money?
Im more surprised that ATI still have such a small segment of users compared to Nvidia after a whole year of ownage with the HD 5000s.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
i think thats not the right conclusion... they have a what, 90% market share of dx11 cards?Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
the problem isnt their cards, the problem is dx11...
that plus the gaming market stagnating big time...
there was no big need for more graphics horse power in the past 2 years, most people are equipped well enough to play new games on their old rigs...
and so far dx11 has been about what? tesselation... and the only games that use it look about the same with tesselation enabled and disabled... you have to freeze the game or look at a wiregraph model to actually spot a difference :P
sure, tesselation isnt just about better iq, but also about saving performance... but that doesnt work at all, current dx11 cards arent exactly rendering fast when you enable tesselation :P
so, if ati is smart, and if nvidia is smart, what they will do is get us 5850/460 performance at a lower price... thatll make them more money than faster and more expensive cards... nvidia already got the hang of it, the 460 is already VERY affordable at 199$, and look at the steam numbers... like i said, in 1 month they sold as many cards as they sold 470s in the past half year!
correction, what they need to do is give us as much performance as possible in the 200$ segment... thats the sweet spot...
if theyd have had had a 460 late last year or early this year, dx11 would be dominated by nvidia for sure... so once again, it was a very bad decision from nvidia to go massive first and then fine tune... they knew the sweet spot, they should have gone for it right away and worked on gf100 and gf104 in parallel, just like ati works on 2 or even more designs in parallel...
companies know this, populations fall on a bell curve, and all that :) geforce 2 mx, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
With 640 SP Turk, 1280 SP Bart, and 1920 SP Cayman (plus ofcourse the flagship, king of the hill dual chip Antilles) using 4D SP array & improved tesselation capability, i think nVidia will find itself caught beetween rocks and hardplaces, with GTX 460 coming as the first victim (price cut at its best selling moment ? LOL). The only saving grace is a 4 GPC chip based on GF 104 mArch, but that chip will be GF 100 sized with similar ~300 w TDP, yield will still suck, and only performs around Cayman which will be 380 mm^2 & 200 w TDP, coming in Q2 2011 at the earliest, when Norther Islands will be in full force (launched fully) and Llano would have arrived (killing the low end discrete market for them). Not a pretty picture for green team fanbois around the globe, eh ? :D
That's legacy market share from G92 and 7600GTs. If you compare generation by generation RV770 and RV870 has been outselling nvidia.Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
I was hoping gtx 470/480 cards would drop. With bing gone, prices seem sky high for them now and I really need one!
Long story short...Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
The reason why DX11 market share is low, is firstly TSMC 40nm output is low compared to 55nm, meaning they physically can't make enough cards, hence why prices are soo high.
GTX460 in March, wouldn't enable Nv to dominate the market either, they would have done better than they are doing as they would have had more cores per wafer and more demand for them so they didn't have to pass up TSMC allocation but it still wouldn't of made a drastic difference, maybe Nv could have had a DX11 market share of around 20%?, but nowhere close to 50/50.
Edit:
Saaya, do you know what Nvidia's margins are like on the 460's?
Well, their gross margin is 16.6% (http://techreport.com/discussions.x/19451), but individual margins are anyone's guess.
That's only after yet another big bumpgate charge against their GMs included. Subtract that out and they were 40.5%.Quote:
Originally Posted by cegras
Hmm, I recall someone posting those same percentages a month or so ago (I believe it was that link). Are you referring to June 2010?Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
Why is it so hard for people to understand that Quadro is where Nvidia makes its money?Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
Check out page 25.
Compare with AMD earnings here.
Q2 results:
AMD's graphics division: 440M revs, 33M operating income (profit).
Nvidia's Professional Division (quadro): 215M revs, 85M operating income (profit)
It's not just about profit for me, it about every developer making a DX11 game looking at the market share and deciding which side to spend time optimising for. Sure it mostly won't matter but Physx titles will probably take a hit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Periander6
saaya
Your point fails for this:
People can actually play with DX9 cards. specially 9.0c -low to highend- (if with my IGP any modern game can be played in low, any ultracheapo card than most illiterate people-average Joe- buy should suffice). Most of the cards in steam survey are just garbage, not your "bang for buck" type of a card. The majority of them will not buy a new card unless what they have decide to die on their own.
Lawdz this thread gone man, lolz:up:
I didnt think about that at all whoops.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
It was simply because lots of people are still using DX9 / DX10 Nvidia cards, I have no idea how I missed that.
:am: <---- quickly becoming my favorite emoticon.
As for the gaming market stagnating, I really think that 2011 should change that. There's quite an impressive overload of high quality titles planned to be released next year.
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Originally Posted by Tha Last Meal
dont waste your money on 2 460,s taking more space,power,heat..grab a single gtx 480 for a tad bit more,then sli those wen 480 prices fall.
single gtx 480 beat the dual gpu 5970 in mw2....ati and there goofy drivers...disgrace:shakes:
chart on bottom
http://www.guru3d.com/article/overcl...-gpu-voltage/6
LOL, :banana::banana::banana::banana:ty drivers happen on BOTH IHVs, only fanbois thinking otherwise, those frying driver of nVidia. :rofl:
OTOH, furnace graphic chip isn't exactly the best stuff for anyone rig, especially if this baconator is gonna get owned in November by a chip that 30% smaller & consuming 33% less power. :rolleyes:
1) If you wouldnt want to buy two 460s because they take up more space, power and heat, then why would you ever want to SLI two GTX 480s?Quote:
Originally Posted by railmeat
2) Two GTX 460s are less of a money waste than the GTX 480 when you compare the price to their performance.
3) An overclocked 5970 would still obliterate the single GTX 480 in that game, plus that is likely only one of very cases where a GTX 480 is slightly better than a 5970.
Also, on the topic of two GTX 460s vs one GTX 480:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...0,2694-11.htmlQuote:
The GeForce GTX 460 SLI configuration absolutely obliterates the GeForce GTX 480’s performance scores, landing a 26% performance coup de grace upon its big brother after continuously battering it with wins in every benchmark at every setting. That would put it in the same performance class as a certain $700 dual-GPU card, according to Don Woligroski’s recent review. But—at less than $500—it doesn't even need to compete there.
This is the reason why people are buying the GTX 460 SLI setup summed up very nicely. Also, do remember that a pair of decent GTX 460s on a motherboard with wide slot spacing wont go over 65 degrees each, even without any additional cooling. Mine dont anyway. When overclocking, all they need is a side fan to bring in fresh air and they still remain far cooler than a single GTX 480 does.
Oh, and did I mention they are very small cards? Same size as the 5770, yet with far more power.
If you must buy nvidia there is no doubt that two 460 is the best choice out there.
still if you are agnostic like me it would not hurt to wait for november to see what ati brings to the table.
yepp... if your playing any games that just wont run fine on your machine and a 460 would get the job done... id say go for it... worst case, ati has something better for the same or a lower price, but i doubt the difference will be big enough to make you want to upgrade from a 460 to that...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dimitriman
but if your like me, everything runs smooth... why go for a 460 when we all know theres something new around the corner...
still? i dont know about that... why would tsmc limit their 40nm capacity on purpose? and i find it hard to believe that they STILL havent managed to significantly ramp up wafer output... or maybe they do this on purpose to keep the 40nm wafer prices high and make more money? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ejizz
gf104 is only 30% smaller than gf100, so you may be right... and while yields of gf104 are probably much better now than gf100, beyond what youd expect from a 30% smaller die, if they had had gf104 back then, the yields would probably have sucked as well...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ejizz
so yeah, gf104 would have given them twice the chips out of the wafers, but that wouldnt have made a big difference... your right...
no idea man... im just speculating...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ejizz
but gf104 is still pretty big... at 100% yield they are at around 130 per wafer i think, and that would mean around 40$... and thats just the wafer cost...
even with great yield i doubt they are selling gf104 chips for much less than 100$...
50% yields which would be very good for an nvidia gpu on tsmcs 40nm node, would mean a chip cost of around 80$...
and a card costs around 50$ with pcb and memory and pwm and heatsink, if not more... so if they can get gtx460 margins above the single digit zone, they are doing an awesome job...
my guess is nvidias margin per bundle (gpu+mem) is less than 10%, and the margin per card wont be much higher either...
what do you mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle
i think i got it now :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Periander6
atis/amds managers still didnt seem to have realized it...
the money theyd have to invest to gain more foothold in the pro segment would return to them within quarters... you cant really lose by going for the pro segment, worst case scenario is that you push prices lower and dont really make that high profits, but they would boost their market share, brand, and hurt nvidias profits...
at a very low res and med details, sure... but who wants to do that if a 5750 barely costs more than 100$?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nintendork
what does this have to do with steam hardware surveys? its a very accurate overview of the actual market if you ask me... and yes, most people have crappy hardware and wont spend more than 20$ to upgrade, so? i dont get your point...Quote:
Originally Posted by Nintendork
hey no worries man, no need for self mutilation ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
hmmm i hope so... but personally i havent heard of any kick4ss graphic titles...Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
nothing that will break todays hardware... even crysis2... they said if a rig can handle crysis itll be able to handle crysis2, so... : /
I'm going to sell my 2 GTX480s in classifieds and then buy a 460 or two.
Quote:
Originally Posted by EastcoasthandleHmm, I recall someone posting those same percentages a month or so ago (I believe it was that link). Are you referring to June 2010?Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
It may be more who knows but that steam chart for video cards is the same reported back in July for June 2010 in the link I provided. So I was wondering if you were referring to June 2010 numbers?Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
Grab it now :D
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In France, GTX 460 768 MB is 140€ at lowest, really interesting ...
LOL, Bart XT is gonna be pretty darn fast it seems, GTX 460 1 GB the value seeker darling even got shafted pricewise. Good news for everybody fanbois included, strong competition & cheaper prices FTW. :D
in croatia lowest 170€ :shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
may I ask where you are buying in France that has GTX 460 768MB, cause I can only find Microdirect which only has the GTX 460 1GB at 250e ~_~.
PIXMANIAQuote:
Originally Posted by Krizby87
+ ITDEALS code -> 138,70€ :)
Ordering from Pixmania.com right now but it keeps asking for my postal code even though I have entered it (correct postal code as it's the address I receive my bank monthly statements) >_<, crappy website programming I guess
In Italy vat included:
Palit 768Mb = 130 euro
Palit Sonic 1Gb = 165 euro