[RUMOR] zambezi a.k.a am3 bulldozer for sale december 2010!!!

http://tech.icrontic.com/articles/wh...on-processors/

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You might be surprised to learn that AMD is just seven months away from releasing new CPUs based on not one, but three, new designs. The Phenom II that we have known for the past 17 months will soon be put to pasture, never to be seen again. Its replacements are built for the server, the desktop, the notebook and the netbook.

Dubbed Bulldozer, Bobcat and Llano, the new processor designs are the final piece of AMD’s grand strategy to emerge from years of debt and struggle as a leaner, meaner company. For enthusiasts, they are something altogether more important: a clear sign that the fascinating war between AMD and Intel is about to go nuclear once again.

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Woot :D

Article writer is really an AMD fan though isn't he? :p:

Probably get myself a new complete system when Zambezi drops, be cool to have an 8 core desktop to play with.

Any rumors of clockspeeds for Zambezi?

Thats impossible unless they are on a 45nm process...they can't ramp up production that quickly...

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Originally Posted by BeepBeep2

Thats impossible unless they are on a 45nm process...they can't ramp up production that quickly...

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http://prohardver.hu/dl/upc/2009-11/..._roadmap_2.png

Impossible is nothing.:D

2011 is going to be interesting :yepp:

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Originally Posted by BeepBeep2

Thats impossible unless they are on a 45nm process...they can't ramp up production that quickly...

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wasnt 32nm process taped out about 2 or 3 months ago ??? so 7 months later would be the good time for low availability launch and decent availability by january .....

Maybe it's just me, but in opinion that article is just rubbish. I thought his analogy with a car manufacturing plant was a little wrong and it seems like the author himself does not really understand the subject that he's trying to explain to others.

We all know launch is for Q1 for months, but it's a good suprise that they will able to send it to press at least before december.

And 32nm ramp will be faster than 65nm and 45nm. Why ?

Easy to understand, Actual fab in dresden was build with 3 nodes techs process. 65/45/32. Like all fabs evrything can work in the last process, but need a lot of work, test and groping. AMD's fab are the best in groping.

All this fab is fully automated. No human move wafers like in intel fabs and other fabs. All system are set up to grop new process, with very little change. If the change increase a bit yield, all the fabs of AMD are updated to the new process in less 24h.

65nm was very crapy process. Was a huge problem for AMD. When they fixed up the 65nm, the 45nm goes well, Phenom II eat less power, and can clock a lot better. It was just a "starting new hardware" problem. Now they don't have so much problem to change the process to a smaller one, that this hardware was set for.

After it's gonna be same problem with 65nm, the new hardware for beyond 32nm will be set for 11nm or something else. the first process will be crapy if they don't have some luck.

But 32nm is here, new architecture is coming, BD cores are prety insane on paper, I hope AMD is gonna take revenge on core 2.

I see old P6 architecture and K7 fight with core 2 and Athlon fights. They are their grand fathers parts, and we all know who won that fight. I hope AMD got enough money in R&D to send us a new monster.

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Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n

http://tech.icrontic.com/articles/wh...on-processors/

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The author just uses the AMD guidance that the processors are to
be launched in 2011, nothing more.

He notices that 2011 is just 7 months away which is translated by
you in December 2010. Your math: Now + 7 months = Dec 2010 is
correct, ok, but the author somehow misses that "2011" is not
necessary the 1st of January 2011.


Regards, Hans

Even though he may be wrong with the launch date for any of the 3 designs,it looks like he indeed talked to some engineers and managers as can be seen in the last paragraph from the last page.

i cant wait. my first amd chip was the fx-60 and ive been rocking that since 06 and i just got a X2 its nice ordered a X6 cant wait for that. ill be in line when the bulldozer comes a plowin

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Originally Posted by madcho

We all know launch is for Q1 for months, but it's a good suprise that they will able to send it to press at least before december.
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Only you apparently know that Zambezi will launch in Q1 of 2011. The only thing that AMD has said about Zambezi was that it will launch in 2011, which could also mean Q3 of 2011 for example. As for the rest of your comment, I don't believe that those fabs work in the way you're saying.

Nothing spectacular, AMD said their 32 nm was 3 months behind Intel, so I'm not surprised if it will end up like 10 months.
Zambezi must be the single biggest step ever taken by AMD, right? Not talking performance since I don't know anything about it.

I've never heard of that URL before tho, and I read the title as a combination of Irony and Chronic. . lol.

also what does it mean for the cpu with build in gpu? smaller computers. like netbooks but smaller?

This is a big problem for me. I mean, how can AMD make our decisions so hard?!!!! Should I buy an X6 now or wait? I have an AM2+ mobo, use an AM3 CPU in it, later get an AM3+ mobo, and then get a Zambezi/Orochi (mid 2011 timeframe). If I get an X6 now and build an entirely new Bulldozer rig in December, I'll just have too much damn processing power sitting idle.

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Originally Posted by fbmbirds

also what does it mean for the cpu with build in gpu? smaller computers. like netbooks but smaller?

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it would be like the intel 1156 that has the IGP on the cpu pad, but since its a real gpu built on a i would expect a much better product.

and its to bad that amd cant stick to soi, i dont want hotter ruining parts that degrade faster

Zanzabar,Llano IS 32nm SOI highk/mg design(so is BD).

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Originally Posted by zanzabar

and its to bad that amd cant stick to soi, i dont want hotter ruining parts that degrade faster

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But they are sticking with SOI, Llano is on their 32 nm SOI HKMG process for example.

EDIT: I'm too slow :p:.

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Originally Posted by Mechromancer

This is a big problem for me. I mean, how can AMD make our decisions so hard?!!!! Should I buy an X6 now or wait? I have an AM2+ mobo, use an AM3 CPU in it, later get an AM3+ mobo, and then get a Zambezi/Orochi (mid 2011 timeframe). If I get an X6 now and build an entirely new Bulldozer rig in December, I'll just have too much damn processing power sitting idle.

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I'd say that if your current setup still works then continue on using that until Bulldozer is here. Much cheaper :p:

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Originally Posted by Helmore

I'd say that if your current setup still works then continue on using that until Bulldozer is here. Much cheaper :p:

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+1
Going from a 940 to a 1055 isn't that much of an improvement, unless you
KNOW you need six cores, and if you do need it then you would have bought it already.:D

At the last page of that article...

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Llano

Family: Stars (Athlon II)
Cores: 4
Process: 32nm
Socket: C32
Onboard GPU?: Yes
Platform: Brazos
Role: Mainstream notebook, mainstream desktop
Launch date: 2011

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Socket C32? That Socket is supposed to be for the yet to be released Opterons based on Lisbon (An slighty improved Istanbul), I don't think that AMD (Or non-overclocking friendly JF-AMD for that matter) would allow their budget and mainstream Desktop platforms to be in the same Sockets than the medium size Servers. A "New Socket" or "Socket FM1" could have suited that article better instead of wronly mentioning Socket C32.

Common sense tells us that Llano should arrive early than Bulldozer, I actually think that it could arrive even before than 2011. It makes a lot of sense that AMD debuts 32nm production with Llano because is mostly a shrink of things that we already know how they work, so they can refine the process before introducing Bulldozer, in the same way of current Intel Roadmaps strategies of "Shrink, New Architecture, Shrink, New Architecture". Bulldozer arriving before Llano makes little to no sense if you consider that.

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Originally Posted by zir_blazer

Socket C32?

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Not only that, but they also claim it will be used for notebooks...:rolleyes:

So yeah they're just ironic people on chronic = icrontic people!:rofl:

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Originally Posted by Mats

Not only that, but they also claim it will be used for notebooks...:rolleyes:

So yeah they're just ironic people on chronic = icrontic people!:rofl:

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Llano is supposed to be used on two different Sockets, Socket FS1 (Was on AMD Notebook Roadmaps 2 or 3 years ago), and a new Socket preeventively named FM1 for Desktop. But the C32 statement seems to be totally flawed at best.

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Originally Posted by Mechromancer

This is a big problem for me. I mean, how can AMD make our decisions so hard?!!!!

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Hahaha, I was just getting happy about this since i didn't move to X6 ! Looks like im waiting !!! :D

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Originally Posted by zir_blazer

Llano is supposed to be used on two different Sockets, Socket FS1 (Was on AMD Notebook Roadmaps 2 or 3 years ago), and a new Socket preeventively named FM1 for Desktop. But the C32 statement seems to be totally flawed at best.

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Yes I know.

I was referring to your quote from the article, not the real world.

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Llano

Family: Stars (Athlon II)
Cores: 4
Process: 32nm
Socket: C32
Onboard GPU?: Yes
Platform: Brazos
Role: Mainstream notebook, mainstream desktop
Launch date: 2011

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exciting times ahead for amd and its fanboys :D can't wait for this to come out

If this is true, there have to be some Bulldozer ES chips out for testing. I'd like to see the numbers :p:
2011 would be an interesting year :D Hope AMD can deliver something great like K8 years ago :D

its still early silicon most likely if theres actually one in the labs.
and the numbers you look for wouldn't anywhere be worth writing home about either.

they've surprised us last time with istanbul,
lets hope the process is just as smooth this time around.

Hope this is true, because Bulldozer sounds like AMD's saviour.

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Originally Posted by Chrono Detector

Hope this is true, because Bulldozer sounds like AMD's saviour.

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larrabee needs jesus more. or itanic. maybe i740 too.

Man i hope this new arch delivers !!! I would be all over it like fly on honey ! :D

Complete repost, actually.

"Author" posted all of this on his blog last year.
http://marisonreadings.blogspot.com/...er-bobcat.html

Why are we getting so excited over a repost of information? I see nothing new there.

as expected ... any smart man would launch its products just before Christmas sales, that of course is the biggest sale event on the planet (except for gtx480, they missed it :ROTF:)

gf showed off 28nm wafers 1 year ago during computex 2009, but ramping it up takes time...
and am i the only one whos a bit worried that they want to jump to 28nm with a new design right away?

and they couldnt get K9 done at all, they couldnt get K10 done properly, it took them forever to move k10 to 45nm... and now they are somehow launching 3 new designs at the same time?

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Originally Posted by saaya

and they couldnt get K9 done at all

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Well they canceled it after only 6 months, so I don't think any of us actually had gotten much hope for it in such short time, or if we knew about it at all at that time. Can't remember.
The question is why it took so long to make a replacement for it.

Well boys, i hope Bulldozer delivers for us enthusiast crowd. I don't expect it to beat Intel but good competition is what we need. I miss those FX-51 days......

Looking forward to early benches.

Sorry for being OT, but any of you guys know more about the K9 design? From what I've read (very little) it was canceled as it was way too optimistic for that time and would have been a ground up new uarch. Any relation to the BD design probably?

"K9 appears originally to have been an ambitious 8 issue per clock cycle core redesign of the K7 or the K8 processor core.[1] At one point, K9 was the Greyhound project at AMD, and was worked on by the K7 design team beginning in early 2001, with tape-out revision A0 scheduled for 2003. The L1 instruction cache was said to hold decoded instructions, essentially the same as Intel's trace cache.

The existence of a massively parallel CPU design concept for heavily multi threaded applications has also been revealed, as a planned successor to K8. This was reportedly canceled in the conceptualization phase, after about 6 months' work."

First line is originally from The Inquirer the second from Anandtech (copied here from Wikipedia). Second line for me hints at something like BD - although it is really a too general description.

Thanks,

K9 was not a good marketing name too.

First 32nm with AM3 Socket

then 32nm with AM3r2 Socket

(like Phenom II 940 920)?????

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Originally Posted by madcho

K9 was not a good marketing name too.

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And it never was a marketing name.

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Originally Posted by saaya

gf showed off 28nm wafers 1 year ago during computex 2009, but ramping it up takes time...
and am i the only one whos a bit worried that they want to jump to 28nm with a new design right away?

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What design for 28nm do you have in mind, Ontario?

I thought the latest rumors is that Ontario will launch on 40nm bulk instead of the
planned 32nm bulk. Do you have other/different info Saaya?

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Originally Posted by mstp2009

Complete repost, actually.

"Author" posted all of this on his blog last year.
http://marisonreadings.blogspot.com/...er-bobcat.html

Why are we getting so excited over a repost of information? I see nothing new there.

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Nice find ;)

Hopefully AMD can deliver. I'd love a fierce pricewar! :yepp: And currently AMD could really use some good profit.

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Originally Posted by Musho

Hopefully AMD can deliver. I'd love a fierce pricewar! :yepp: And currently AMD could really use some good profit.

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Would be about time. :up: Intel is becoming too lazy with new developments and too greedy with pricing (see: 32nm 6 cores).
We could really use some innovation.

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Originally Posted by Mechromancer

This is a big problem for me. I mean, how can AMD make our decisions so hard?!!!! Should I buy an X6 now or wait? I have an AM2+ mobo, use an AM3 CPU in it, later get an AM3+ mobo, and then get a Zambezi/Orochi (mid 2011 timeframe). If I get an X6 now and build an entirely new Bulldozer rig in December, I'll just have too much damn processing power sitting idle.

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if thats your biggest problem, u must have such a horrible life, lol

im in the same boat, 940 with DDR2, so i picked up a 1055T (its sitll in the box cause im waiting on a bios), so for me its a great upgrade to hold me off for probably 1-2 years. and then ill upgrade to the BD when AM3+ boards are out (and hopefully quad channel RAM?!?!, sorry i got a little lost on if thats actually coming to the consumer market)

either way, AM3 cpu in AM2+ now, and waiting for matured BD with lower DDR3 prices and better boards is the way i think to go

and i expect to see a significant boost in clocks, i run my 940 at 3.3ghz 24/7 at stock volts, keeping CnQ on. so with 1055T i expect to have in games about 3.8ghz using turbo, while still being in the same power envelope as my 940, but also have 2 extra cores if anything gets to use it (physx maybe?)

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but also have 2 extra cores if anything gets to use it (physx maybe?)

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How about using all that idle computation power to help find cures for nasty diseases like Aids, Cancer, etc :yepp:

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Originally Posted by Musho

How about using all that idle computation power to help find cures for nasty diseases like Aids, Cancer, etc :yepp:

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cause that costs me about 40$ a month. if u compare the cost of a home PC to a cpu crunching server (maybe cuda is the best) u will quickly see that a machine dedicated to those kinds of tasks are much more efficient than standard consumer PCs.

The author of this article thinks desktop BD is coming before Fusion? :ROTF:

And cites no source for something that would be big news, in fact, doesn't seem to be aware it would be big news. :shakes:

Edit: And makes many other errors... okay, nevermind, move along...

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Originally Posted by Manicdan

cause that costs me about 40$ a month. if u compare the cost of a home PC to a cpu crunching server (maybe cuda is the best) u will quickly see that a machine dedicated to those kinds of tasks are much more efficient than standard consumer PCs.

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The difference between idle and load isn't that huge in power cost. You can run BOINC while you are browsing the web for instance. Doesn't mean you have to leave your PC 24/7. Also, straight donations of money to things like Cancer projects aren't even close to 100% efficiency either. Those campaigns and people who work for them have to be funded as well.

Both have poor efficiency, but both will help fight diseases. And that's what matters in the end ;) If enough people help through donating money and/or computation power, eventually the diseases will be put to a stop (Hopefully!).

Anyway, sorry for going offtopic. :)

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Originally Posted by zalbard

Would be about time. :up: Intel is becoming too lazy with new developments and too greedy with pricing (see: 32nm 6 cores).
We could really use some innovation.

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Intel extreme series cpus are always 1k. With Gulftown, you actually get better power consumption with 32nm and 50% more cores, so the best extreme series deal so far for both AMD and Intel. Too bad Intel is going to follow the trend of charging 1k+ for the fastest desktop processor.

On the other hand, if Intel were to release only unlocked gulftowns from henceforth and charged $300 for them (something that makes no sense from an economic standpoint in terms of fab investment and profit, as well as premium on innovation and performance), two things will happen:

1. AMD would take Intel to court
2. AMD would cease to exist as a cpu-making business (and Intel may have to be split up)

Cheaper gulftown comes in the form of sandybridge. It'll be here soon. AMD is pricing aggressively ONLY because their highend is only able to compete with Intel's mainstream so it'll make no sense to charge a premium. They'll have no problem charging a premium if they could. I'm sure their marketing department has done all the math.

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if thats your biggest problem, u must have such a horrible life, lol

im in the same boat, 940 with DDR2, so i picked up a 1055T (its sitll in the box cause im waiting on a bios), so for me its a great upgrade to hold me off for probably 1-2 years. and then ill upgrade to the BD when AM3+ boards are out (and hopefully quad channel RAM?!?!, sorry i got a little lost on if thats actually coming to the consumer market)

either way, AM3 cpu in AM2+ now, and waiting for matured BD with lower DDR3 prices and better boards is the way i think to go

and i expect to see a significant boost in clocks, i run my 940 at 3.3ghz 24/7 at stock volts, keeping CnQ on. so with 1055T i expect to have in games about 3.8ghz using turbo, while still being in the same power envelope as my 940, but also have 2 extra cores if anything gets to use it (physx maybe?)

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Didn't you know before you picked one up? Or the pricing was too irresistible? lol

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Originally Posted by OhNoes!

Didn't you know before you picked one up? Or the pricing was too irresistible? lol

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since i have MSIs most popular AM2+ overclocking mobo, i assumed they would, but yes, for 125$, it was an impulse buy. about a week after my purchase it was confirmed they are working on one, and now its just a waiting game

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since i have MSIs most popular AM2+ overclocking mobo, i assumed they would, but yes, for 125$, it was an impulse buy. about a week after my purchase it was confirmed they are working on one, and now its just a waiting game

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Yeah, I saw that TD ad with MIR and bing cashback. I almost bit too, but it would have been a complete build so I thought twice about it. Hope they release that bios soon.

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Originally Posted by OhNoes!

Intel extreme series cpus are always 1k. With Gulftown, you actually get better power consumption with 32nm and 50% more cores, so the best extreme series deal so far for both AMD and Intel. Too bad Intel is going to follow the trend of charging 1k+ for the fastest desktop processor.

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3 or more quarters without any mainstream (or remotely close to it) Gulftowns is outrageous.
If the competition was more severe I'm sure we would already have a 32nm replacement for i7 920 (and for a while at that).

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Originally Posted by zalbard

3 or more quarters without any mainstream (or remotely close to it) Gulftowns is outrageous.
If the competition was more severe I'm sure we would already have a 32nm replacement for i7 920 (and for a while at that).

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then intel's cash cow need to protest and stop giving milk .... whatever this methaphor means

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Originally Posted by zalbard

3 or more quarters without any mainstream (or remotely close to it) Gulftowns is outrageous.
If the competition was more severe I'm sure we would already have a 32nm replacement for i7 920 (and for a while at that).

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Intel is still limited by 32 nm. production capacity. They still can not meet demand for 32 nm. dual-cores (especialy in mobile space). Introducing low cost 6-core cpu is less profitable in this situation and may create another unmet demand.

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Originally Posted by kl0012

Intel is still limited by 32 nm. production capacity. They still can not meet demand for 32 nm. dual-cores (especialy in mobile space). Introducing low cost 6-core cpu is less profitable in this situation and may create another unmet demand.

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There, you said it.
It's the competition issue, clearly... They are milking the market.
I'm not saying they can make millions of cheap 6 core chips, though. But making so many chips isn't necessary either.

i always thought the first chips you make on a new process should be for mobile, the ability to get 20-40% better battery life, or higher clocks in the same power envelope, i thought would let the get a massive lead for the mobile market since those chips are smaller and can be sold for more. but honestly i dont think intel wants to compete with 32nm against their own 45nm, or amds 65nm (which is just now on 45 nm with a serious effort). so in reveres, once amd is on 32nm, are they going to release mobile chips right away or wait over a year after desktop is out?

All this would make the end a 2010 an interesting period! The release of X25-M G3, rumored release of Bulldozer, rumored release of mainstream 6-cores from Intel, ATI Southern Islands and most definitely more I'm missing or haven't heard about yet.

So many toys, so little time (and money :()

its so funny that you all think that intel does not have any problems with 32nm there is a small problem there and that is causing a problem with the production

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its so funny that you all think that intel does not have any problems with 32nm there is a small problem there and that is causing a problem with the production

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Do you happen to have a source? Not saying I don't believe you, but it'd be interesting to read up on :) Thanks! :up:

The cost of 32nm is too high, and according to the lately news, Intel's 32nm products are in short supply. Looks like Intel has very serious problem with 32nm products.

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Originally Posted by superrugal

The cost of 32nm is too high, and according to the lately news, Intel's 32nm products are in short supply. Looks like Intel has very serious problem with 32nm products.

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So serious problems that you can by 32nm clarkdale and westmere everywhere... :rolleyes:

Every new process takes a while to flood demand for it. Intel's 45nm launch was much, much worse. It doesn't in and of itself indicate problems so much as high demand for a ramping process.

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its so funny that you all think that intel does not have any problems with 32nm there is a small problem there and that is causing a problem with the production

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Considering they just announced they are pulling in the startup of the other 2 32nm fabs, it would seem like they've solved whatever issue you are claiming, unless you're claiming lower than expected yields.

They've also said the demand-backlog for the new parts will be met by the end of this quarter.

So... going to need a little more specificity, please.

Yeah it's just high demand,I doubt they have any serious problem.

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Originally Posted by OhNoes!

Intel extreme series cpus are always 1k. With Gulftown, you actually get better power consumption with 32nm and 50% more cores, so the best extreme series deal so far for both AMD and Intel. Too bad Intel is going to follow the trend of charging 1k+ for the fastest desktop processor.

On the other hand, if Intel were to release only unlocked gulftowns from henceforth and charged $300 for them (something that makes no sense from an economic standpoint in terms of fab investment and profit, as well as premium on innovation and performance), two things will happen:

1. AMD would take Intel to court
2. AMD would cease to exist as a cpu-making business (and Intel may have to be split up)

Cheaper gulftown comes in the form of sandybridge. It'll be here soon. AMD is pricing aggressively ONLY because their highend is only able to compete with Intel's mainstream so it'll make no sense to charge a premium. They'll have no problem charging a premium if they could. I'm sure their marketing department has done all the math.

Didn't you know before you picked one up? Or the pricing was too irresistible? lol

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intel does not want to kill amd
but to MAKE AS MUCH MONEY AS POSSIBLE

why do you want to reduce ASP when you don't need to?

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Do you happen to have a source? Not saying I don't believe you, but it'd be interesting to read up on :) Thanks! :up:

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Intel does not openly disclose such things so no source. :rolleyes:

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Considering they just announced they are pulling in the startup of the other 2 32nm fabs, it would seem like they've solved whatever issue you are claiming, unless you're claiming lower than expected yields.

They've also said the demand-backlog for the new parts will be met by the end of this quarter.

So... going to need a little more specificity, please.

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I am claiming that and the problem was very prevalent in the i9 A0's the problem has something to do with the voltage sensitivities on some chips.

I have heard of reject chips that ran them selfs to the ground on normal volts.

The problem is being fixed and soon will be done with.

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Yeah it's just high demand,I doubt they have any serious problem.

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Lower than estimated production is a problem they will get it fixed and i think laptop i3/i5's are in more demand than the desktop ones could be wrong tough.

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Every new process takes a while to flood demand for it. Intel's 45nm launch was much, much worse. It doesn't in and of itself indicate problems so much as high demand for a ramping process.

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The 45nm had problems and even it that the initial production capability was reduced a lot and that was fixed after 2-3 months of inception same will be the case with the 32nm process.

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The cost of 32nm is too high, and according to the lately news, Intel's 32nm products are in short supply. Looks like Intel has very serious problem with 32nm products.

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Oddly, AMD, IBM and Intel all claim shrinks are extremely cost effective -- it is costs that drives Moore's Law.

There are two ways to look at limited supply. Either a) production problems or b) demand has simply out stripped supply. There is not enough information available to know which one is the major contributor, but given the trend QoQ and YoY shipments in units, Q1 record unit shipments, then I suspect the latter.

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Oddly, AMD, IBM and Intel all claim shrinks are extremely cost effective -- it is costs that drives Moore's Law.

There are two ways to look at limited supply. Either a) production problems or b) demand has simply out stripped supply. There is not enough information available to know which one is the major contributor, but given the trend QoQ and YoY shipments in units, Q1 record unit shipments, then I suspect the latter.

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It may have something to do with the 18 months delay in the 32nm
Lithography scanners from Nikon which Intel uses. The NSR-S620 was
originally planned for Q4, 2008 and it seems it is just now starting to ship.

It's still not listed as an official product on Nikon's website.

http://nikon.com/products/precision/.../nsr/index.htm

Intel can use the NSR-S610C but that one is really only qualified for 45nm
production which could cause yield issues in 32nm production I presume.


Regards, Hans