AMD to show off DX11 hardware tomorrow

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06-02-2009, 09:20 AM
informal

AMD to show off DX11 hardware tomorrow

Well according to Charlie D. at least :).
Here is the link to his new website:
http://www.semiaccurate.com/2009/06/...ware-tomorrow/

AMD to show off DX11 hardware tomorrow

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by Charlie Demerjian

June 2, 2009

JUST BEFORE NOON Taipei time on Wendesday, ATI is going to to drop a bombshell on the graphics world, showing off working 40nm DX11 silicon. Nvidia has yet to tape out a DX11 part or put a 40nm chip on the market.

The cards that will be showed off are Evergreen/Cypress, what is commonly referred to as R870. That code name however is not used internally, so if you ever see any leaked specs or charts with R870 on them, they are flat out faked. There have been several of these bandied around, but they are all laughably off.

AMD promised that they would have DX11 cards out on the market by the Windows 7 launch, and barring a massive and as of yet undetected problem, it looks like they will make that with ease. In the mean time, at the company's Computex press conferences, Nvidia distinctly avoided any mention of DX11 or parts that run it..

Mid-day tomorrow, the winners and losers for the next 2-3 quarters will become very very clear.
06-02-2009, 09:22 AM
MirageSys

The source is suspect, but I feel that even he is not incompetent enough to lie about something that will be fresh in the minds of people tomorrow. Then again, I doubt he cares about his rep at this point.

I'll believe him for the time being. Can't wait to see it :cool:
06-02-2009, 09:23 AM
dan7777

sounds like good news cheers for the INFO :)
06-02-2009, 09:26 AM
Shintai

Lol..he saw that people accepts the garbage that theo and Fuad makes and also wanted his own. What a trio of sites.

But lets hope there is something tomorrow. However lets not hear more to this "site" ;)

And thats some nasty links of "Please give us more attention" below the article.
06-02-2009, 09:26 AM
ubuntu83

So what happened? He got pink slip from the inquirer?
06-02-2009, 09:30 AM
informal

Dunno,he said he just left.He had an argument with them a while ago,money related (basically).
As for veracity of his claims,we will find out-tomorrow :D.I think the chances are something will happen tomorrow,even if AMD demos a "low end DX11" part and not RV870.After all,they do like to keep cards close to their chest.
06-02-2009, 09:43 AM
orangekiwii

informal... your sig... is that a joke or their legit opinion ?????????????
06-02-2009, 09:44 AM
Chad Boga

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Originally Posted by ubuntu83

So what happened? He got pink slip from the inquirer?

I think they asked him to not show appalling bias in favour of AMD and he threw a tantrum and left.
06-02-2009, 09:45 AM
informal

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Originally Posted by orangekiwii

informal... your sig... is that a joke or their legit opinion ?????????????

Jump to AT to find out :D.I can't say what they observed really,only they know .But that's what they wrote.
06-02-2009, 09:48 AM
AffenJack

the dx11 tommorrow part of the article is right, look here: http://twitter.com/catalystmaker
http://twitter.com/ianmcnaughton
06-02-2009, 09:50 AM
informal

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Originally Posted by AffenJack

the amd part of the article is right, look here: http://twitter.com/catalystmaker
http://twitter.com/ianmcnaughton

So Charlie was right :).Gonna be an interesting day for Nvidia :D.
06-02-2009, 09:53 AM
Shintai

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Originally Posted by AffenJack

the dx11 tommorrow part of the article is right, look here: http://twitter.com/catalystmaker
http://twitter.com/ianmcnaughton

Am I missing something in that twitter hell? It just points back to Charlies site for the only thing about DX11.
06-02-2009, 09:53 AM
ILikeCosmosS

well all would like to know is windows 7 release date and the specs and pics :D
06-02-2009, 09:56 AM
MirageSys

Ever since nvidia generation 6 having sm 3 and the radeon 800 series not having sm3, ATI has been on a warpath to release innovations first. Aside from the delay on the r600 forcing them to postpone dx10, they have released dx 10.1, tessellation, and sm4.1 first.
06-02-2009, 10:04 AM
AffenJack

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Originally Posted by Shintai

Am I missing something in that twitter hell? It just points back to Charlies site for the only thing about DX11.

Yes, but i don't think, that a amd employee, who knows thinks about future products would link it, when it's not true.

But to have running dx11 cards do'nt mean, the launch is near, it looks like it is depending on tsmc whether we'll see dx11 with windows 7
06-02-2009, 10:07 AM
informal

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Originally Posted by Shintai

Am I missing something in that twitter hell? It just points back to Charlies site for the only thing about DX11.

You are missing a lot it seems.The post was written by Terry Makedon,an AMD Cat maker ;).Since he can't officially say what it is,he linked the 3rd party website that spills the beans.Anyhow,you will soon find out whether it's true or not.Seeing Terry just confirming it unofficially ,I'd say chances are 99% it's true(0.1% is that some disaster ,heaven forbid,happens tomorrow).

AMD is to showcase,not launch the parts.There is a big difference.Launch is planned for Q4.
06-02-2009, 10:09 AM
SKYMTL

Showing your hand in poker before the final card is dropped is a sure way to loose.
06-02-2009, 10:12 AM
informal

Seeing how NV has nothing to show,AMD can't loose much :).And they don't need to show any results or specifications whatsoever,just a DX11 hw running DX10 and DX11 code .

edit: i beat ILikeCosmosS by a few seconds :D.
06-02-2009, 10:12 AM
ILikeCosmosS

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Originally Posted by SKYMTL

Showing your hand in poker before the final card is dropped is a sure way to loose.

that probably is true but the advantage is to amd because nvidia hasnt even made 1 40nm gpu ever while amd has made the rv740

i would rather have a release date then specs
06-02-2009, 10:18 AM
SKYMTL

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Originally Posted by ILikeCosmosS

that probably is true but the advantage is to amd because nvidia hasnt even made 1 40nm gpu ever

Listening to rumors is a quick way to misinformation. ;)

If you don't think Nvidia has a couple examples of their next gen card bumping around here and there, you are sadly mistaken.
06-02-2009, 10:32 AM
Smartidiot89

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Originally Posted by SKYMTL

Showing your hand in poker before the final card is dropped is a sure way to loose.

Agreed. Hope AMD only shows some DX11 functions, and doesn't reveal the specs just yet...
06-02-2009, 10:37 AM
Eastcoasthandle

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Originally Posted by SKYMTL

Listening to rumors is a quick way to misinformation. ;)

If you don't think Nvidia has a couple examples of their next gen card bumping around here and there, you are sadly mistaken.

It's possible that AMD has a full understanding of what Nvidia will offer and just feel confident in their product. It's really hard to say for sure but we will have to wait and see. I would consider this a new approach from AMD so something is up.
06-02-2009, 10:47 AM
SKYMTL

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Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle

It's possible that AMD has a full understanding of what Nvidia will offer and just feel confident in their product. It's really hard to say for sure but we will have to wait and see. I would consider this a new approach from AMD so something is up.

Personally, I think they will show off some tech demos and that's it. Exciting, but what I want to see is some additional DX11 game announcements. Judging from E3 so far; there are none. :shakes:
06-02-2009, 10:52 AM
Nedjo

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Originally Posted by SKYMTL

Personally, I think they will show off some tech demos and that's it. Exciting, but what I want to see is some additional DX11 game announcements. Judging from E3 so far; there are none. :shakes:

next installment of STALKER is rumored to have DX11 path and no, NVIDIA doesn't have any real hardware bumping around... not even for game devs. ;)
06-02-2009, 10:56 AM
SKYMTL

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Originally Posted by Nedjo

and no, NVIDIA doesn't have any real hardware bumping around... not even for game devs. ;)

Edit. Revealed too much.

I was talking about internally.
06-02-2009, 10:58 AM
orangekiwii

I hope AMD knows nvidia is bluffing or something and totally trounces them in performance or something

i want a new g80 card :)

hopefully the gtx380 will do it... but i'm not sure... its still on the wrong design path (size and load power)
06-02-2009, 10:58 AM
Manicdan

i think seeing an example of a dx11 game running live would be the coolest, and probably very hard to do
06-02-2009, 11:09 AM
SKYMTL

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Originally Posted by orangekiwii

I hope AMD knows nvidia is bluffing or something and totally trounces them in performance or something

Why would you want that? We NEED competition, especially with the shrinking PC market. I would much rather have ATI and Nvidia cards performing nearly even just for the fact that it will drive down prices like it has with this last generation.
06-02-2009, 11:25 AM
orangekiwii

cause i'm selfish and want either one or both to be a can of woop ass
06-02-2009, 11:55 AM
eleeter

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Originally Posted by SKYMTL

We NEED competition, especially with the shrinking PC market. I would much rather have ATI and Nvidia cards performing nearly even just for the fact that it will drive down prices like it has with this last generation.

Yep. The tooth and nail fight going on right now is awesome, look at the drastic price cutting Nvidia was forced into, Nvidia hardware is essentially half the price it would "normally" be without real competition.

BTW:
Loose: a hooker
Lose: opposite of win.

Seems to a common mistake and it bugs me for some reason. :shrug:
06-02-2009, 12:34 PM
Xello

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Originally Posted by Nedjo

next installment of STALKER is rumored to have DX11 path

OT but man, that game i found was a poor performer even in Dx9 mode, let alone DX10, and now Dx11 :eek:
06-02-2009, 04:57 PM
570091D

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Nvidia has yet to tape out a DX11 part or put a 40nm chip on the market.

absolute bs. the gt300 is taped out and 40nm mobil hardware should be launched at computex (rumored dx10.1) or shortly thereafter.

charlie is right about one thing, ati will be demo-ing dx11 hardware tomorrow, at 11:00 not 12:00. i've heard this a few places. i can't believe the inq was paying him, and i can't believe he managed to find another job... :shakes:
06-02-2009, 04:59 PM
trinibwoy

I think he owns the new site. So he's working for numero uno now.
06-02-2009, 05:01 PM
Manicdan

what time is that in EST?
06-02-2009, 05:10 PM
LordEC911

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Originally Posted by 570091D

absolute bs. the gt300 is taped out and 40nm mobil hardware should be launched at computex (rumored dx10.1) or shortly thereafter.

G300 barely tapedout...
40nm Nvidia chips will be announced, not released... We still won't see them for a few more months.
06-02-2009, 05:21 PM
570091D

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Originally Posted by LordEC911

G300 barely tapedout...
40nm Nvidia chips will be announced, not released... We still won't see them for a few more months.

taped out is taped out. i'm simply pointing out charlie's lies.

you're right, the 40nm parts aren't yet available for purchase, i believe they're still working with tsmc on better yeilds.

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what time is that in EST?

Taiwan is GMT+8, it's 9:20am there now, the demo should start in 1hour and 40mins.
06-02-2009, 05:27 PM
Manicdan

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Originally Posted by 570091D

taped out is taped out. i'm simply pointing out charlie's lies.

you're right, the 40nm parts aren't yet available for purchase, i believe they're still working with tsmc on better yeilds.

Taiwan is GMT+8, it's 9:20am there now, the demo should start in 1hour and 40mins.

cool, i guess im staying up tonight
06-02-2009, 05:58 PM
1MaNArmY

why? I'll just get the news tomorrow, It's not like they are going to release anything even if their DX11 part is ready.
06-02-2009, 07:12 PM
perkam

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Originally Posted by 1MaNArmY

why? I'll just get the news tomorrow, It's not like they are going to release anything even if their DX11 part is ready.

This will be the first glimpse of DX11 running on hardware m8.

Exciting times :up:

EDIT: The event went live a few minutes ago and Engadget Chinese is updating every 5 minutes or so :up:

http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate...rUrl=Translate

Perkam
06-02-2009, 07:45 PM
570091D

Quote:

Originally Posted by perkam

This will be the first glimpse of DX11 running on hardware m8.

Exciting times :up:

EDIT: The event went live a few minutes ago and Engadget Chinese is updating every 5 minutes or so :up:

http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate...rUrl=Translate

Perkam

yahoo translater thinks they are talking about "clumsy pile" and a "resentful Ladder" :rofl:
06-03-2009, 08:02 AM
EniGmA1987

so... was the new hardware shown yet or not?
06-03-2009, 10:47 AM
Tim

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Originally Posted by EniGmA1987

so... was the new hardware shown yet or not?

Yea? What happened Mr. C.D? :confused: :confused: :p:
06-03-2009, 10:49 AM
zalbard

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Originally Posted by EniGmA1987

so... was the new hardware shown yet or not?

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=226114
06-03-2009, 10:51 AM
informal

It was shown alright.Charlie was right :).
06-03-2009, 11:06 AM
Manicdan

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Originally Posted by informal

It was shown alright.Charlie was right :).

hes only have as bad as a broken clock, whos right 2x a day.
06-03-2009, 11:31 AM
zerazax

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Originally Posted by Manicdan

hes only have as bad as a broken clock, whos right 2x a day.

He's right a lot more than people like to acknowledge. Get past his stupid writing and bias, and there's some truth
06-03-2009, 11:39 AM
Bo_Fox

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Originally Posted by Manicdan

hes only have as bad as a broken clock, whos right 2x a day.

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Ouch, Charlie!
06-03-2009, 11:47 AM
dan7777

the review stats that going from dx10.1 4890 to dx11 cards isnt going to be big jump in performance so we will see....
06-03-2009, 11:52 AM
Manicdan

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Originally Posted by dan7777

the review stats that going from dx10.1 4890 to dx11 cards isnt going to be big jump in performance so we will see....

i think its really going to depend on what kind of clocks we can see, if it can break 1200mhz, we should be happy with it. but overall this is NOT going to be the same as 3870-4870
06-03-2009, 11:52 AM
informal

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Originally Posted by dan7777

the review stats that going from dx10.1 4890 to dx11 cards isnt going to be big jump in performance so we will see....

They simply don't know what specifications the chip in question has... They only have the die size.
06-03-2009, 12:12 PM
marten_larsson

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Originally Posted by informal

They simply don't know what specifications the chip in question has... They only have the die size.

And nobody knows if this is the former RV870 or maybe RV830. It's a guessing game at this point it seems.
06-03-2009, 02:45 PM
zerazax

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Originally Posted by marten_larsson

And nobody knows if this is the former RV870 or maybe RV830. It's a guessing game at this point it seems.

Plus die size tells us nothing. ATI went from 55nm 150mm^2 in RV730 to 40nm 137mm^2 and crammed in twice as many shaders and TMUs...

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