Gilgamesh has received what I believe is the first prototype of the PA140.3 Thermochill Radiator, here are some pictures to enjoy!
http://www.gilgamesh.org.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=239
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Gilgamesh has received what I believe is the first prototype of the PA140.3 Thermochill Radiator, here are some pictures to enjoy!
http://www.gilgamesh.org.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=239
Thats a helluva lot of radiator area.... And is that 15mm fan spacing I spot?
But how many cases, even with extensive modding, can fit a 140.3 rad? Lian Li V2K and?
that thing looks massive, should be interesting to see what can be accomplished with it.
It will fit in the bottom of a TJ 07 but it would have to sit on the bottom of the case.
Is there any good 140mm fan?
Yates and scythe both have 140mm in medium and low speeds. Put a 1000rpm yate D14SL-12 140mm in build for sister for side fan, it was very quiet.
Scythe and Yate make 140's and I am guessing the would be just as good as their other fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashraf
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ndex&cPath=316
Sharkoon System fans are pretty decent. The low speed one is nice and quiet and the high speed one shovels a good amount of air. (Source)
I wonder if I can get this to fit on the top of my PC-A77. I kind of doubt it since the 5 1/4 portion would be too narrow. Actually... the top psu portion might not be wide enough either.
Bought time Thermochill came out with something new. I just hope it has 15mm spacing and G1/4 holes. If they have fixed them then it will be a big seller thats for sure.
I guess the MM guys will have to make a UFO with 140mm fans in mind. that would be awesome.
indeed :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by Scubar
I'm still waiting for a 120.4. I would rather have length extended than making it wider. Plus, a 120.4 would fit as a drop in replacement to the 120.3. This won't.
i feel like now re conisdering my case
cosmos s will not fit that that
the mountainmods u2f0-cyo
can
I'm kinda with 003 and Vapor here... I don't really see 140mm radiators as being particularly practical because they won't really work as drop-in replacements for 120's, they are quite a bit harder to work into most cases, and there isn't a very good selection of 140mm fans available right now.
So, where's the quad fan version of the PA160? :rolleyes:
Very Nice!, but I want a 140.4. Someone Puuuulease make one and I'll buy two...:D
Now that would be one monster rad. :shocked:Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinm210
Seriously, a 140.4? I wonder if I could even get that through my door...
With a little bit of elbow grease and a sludge hammer.. anything is possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by HESmelaugh
That Is Giaaaant:clap:
looks very good too :)
keep it up @guysfrom thermochill :)
indeed that is a monster...i wonder how it compares with the 120.3 looking forward to see the diff
Might just be me, but those fitting holes look big - G3/8 kind of big. Guess we'll see.
Looks like TC just super sized the 120 series (ie: G3/8 with 25mm fan spacing). :up: :D Those are characteristics that make a TC a TC. ;) :yepp:
A 140.3 is way to large for anything I build but I'm certainly looking forward to see if they make a 140.1 or 140.2 as I could probably use those. :yepp:
I am really interested in rad boxing one of thee behemoths...
...betcha it could fit on top of an ATCS 840, too.
yeah, I think there would fit a 140.2 up there :)Quote:
Originally Posted by warriorpoet
I just bought these,Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashraf
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=24003
Ehup folksQuote:
Originally Posted by Scubar
Im the lucky dude who has that pa140.3
Ok you heard it from me first, I can confirm that there will be a PA120.4 I have seen it and held it in my sweaty hands. In addition I can also confirm there will be a RE-VITALISED 120.3! That is A 120.3 QUAD PASS (this also I have had in my hands) however there is alot of work has to be done on this.
Can I just give a big thanks to www.over-clock whom own thermochill, and a big shout out to my two friends Sue and Steve (owners of thermochill) you are really good friends, its an honour.
gilgamesh
Doesn't San Ace make a 367cfm 140x38....? heheh i wanna see a couple of those bad boys on there.
I' love to see a 160.3. I bet 300 RPM fans would cool it properly, and I wouldn't have to turn them off during 2 am recording sessions anymore :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Petra
those would perform better on the HWlabs GTX560 IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sliced Cheese
For all of you that are wondering which case this rad will fit in...... I'm quite sure Mountain Mods will be more than happy to customize one of their units to accept this rad....
oo i would wait a year for those new thermochill's to come out it would work out if came out at the same time at windows seven
This is awesome news! Does anyone know ETA on this puppy?
Hey thereQuote:
Originally Posted by jellyrole
about a month two on the outside
gilgamesh
Any chance of getting the dimensions on the 140.3? Wondering if I'm going to need a new case or not...Quote:
Originally Posted by gilgamesh1
New Thermochill + Windows 7 = :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by ILikeCosmosS
its just suggestion but i mean i want them to come out as soon as possible
but maybe not as late as window 7
140.3 I think would fit in the top of my case... width-wise it would at least, not sure about length.
Hmm, that is huge. I would prefer a 140.2 myself. Then again, I am not planning any water cooling in the near future so I could be lucky when I am.
Looks like it still has G3/8.
Score!!! Ok, but will the 120.4 use the same flow layout as the revitalized 120.3? And with quad pass... would that not cause a lot of pressure drop? :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by gilgamesh1
Also... what has more dissipating area? 120.4 or 140.3?
thats a big bish, way its going might as well just use the radiator from my civic.
These "revitalized 120.3", sound like a very bad idea to me. :down: Expect these models to have a considerable rise in pressure drop, unless they're packing more tubes into the same sized framework, which I don't see happening.
Judging from the pics posted and TC's PDF of the 120.3, I'm going to go out on a limb and say roughly 470-472mm L x 146mm W. Thickness is probably close to the 120.x PA's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Metric
I should also point out that I believe my prior post was incorrect about fan spacing. I've had time to analyze the pics and it does look like TC listened to all the whingers out there and went with 15mm spacing. Thankfully, it looks like they kept the G3/8" bungs.
According to this threadQuote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=136900
it is 145mm wide (5.25 drive bays are 147mm) and 50mm thick.
...and that's a first stage prototype, who knows how many revisions it's been through since then. :shrug: Another thing to consider is TC rads don't always measure up exactly to the PDF. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Adamantine
My numbers do appear to be surprisingly close for how I went about determining the size.:eek: I find myself wondering if that 50mm stated in the link is with the bungs and fan mounts or with out though. :shrug:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
Ya, any word on a 140.2 ???
I will take more photos tonightQuote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
and lay the pa140.3 next to a 120.3
will get a tape measure and measure all surfaces
Incidently though this is a prototype,. its is the LAST prototype, I.E when the units are manufactured, they will have no changes at all. So in otherwords its a RTM model.
edit: the fan spacing is much closer together this time!
gilgamesh
Measurements would be greatly appreciated. :up: I based all my measurements off both the PDF and the one pic you have of the rad against the case. I used a 120.2 that I have beside me to properly size the pic according to the bung and mixed/matched and tweaked the measurements from there.Quote:
Originally Posted by gilgamesh1
My statement about the prototype was in reference to the link posted where Cathar mentioned some dimensions but, they were for the very first prototype made almost 4 years ago.
Yeah, the fan spacing looked like it was 15mm to me. :down:
Been busy here is a direct size comparision for you all, until i can measure the rad tonight after work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
To the left is a Pa120.2 TO THE RIGHT IS A 120.3 and in the centre is the 140.3 in question.
http://www.gilgamesh.org.uk/forums/s...=1310#post1310
gilgamesh
Are they made of Brass and Copper?
yes they are. no aluminium rubbish with Thermochill mate!Quote:
Originally Posted by guitronics
gilgamesh
It will fit in the front of the cosmos case....
In answer to whoever it was who asked about how much more surface area I have done a rough calculation (rough being the main word there).
Assuming both rads have the same folds per inch and thickness
PA120.3 = 380mm long and 120mm wide = 45600mm²
PA140.3 = 420mm long and 140mm wide = 58800mm²
Percentage increase in facial surface area = 29%
This is slightly less than some people may have expected as the fan spacing is closer the PA140 rad is only 40mm longer rather than 60mm.
Once again this calculation is very very rough no actual measurements have been taken.
will this possibly fit in a LL 343b? It looks like it will be a very tight fit.
Thanks for the calculation. Based on the length of a 120.2 and a 120.3, could you also do a rough estimate for a 120.4? That would be fantastic man! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Webby
510mm long and 120mm wide = 61200mm^2 :)
EDIT: to those who know...is this a PA140.3 or a PB140.3? (not necessarily PB exactly, but a revision that has progressed past the PA design)
I´m REALLY happy to see 140mm rads to come. I think this or RX140mm series (if they make them) will replace my XSPC RS360 rad from bottom of my case in future (thats why I bought RS360 and it was good quality one and its doing really well cooling my Q6600)..
Nah, rad from your civic is probably aluminum ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by AlucardCasull
Yeah as Vapor says for a 120.4 it will be [(120*4)+(10*3)]*120 = 510*120 = 61200mm²
If they used 15mm spacing rather than 25mm then you would just get (120*4)*120 = 480*120 = 57600mm²
So if the PA120.4 follows the original PA120.X design it will have greater facial area than the 140.3 if it conforms to the more common 15mm fan spacing then they will be approximately the same.
Good info. I hope it follows the traditional design... that way it would fit as a drop in replacement for the 120.3!Quote:
Originally Posted by Webby
Hmm I have 2-PA160's I wonder how that would stack up against the 140.3?
QFT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Petra
Umm... don't you need to account for fan spacing? If you do 120*4 then you're assuming that the fans are mounted right next to each other. Shouldn't those calcs be [(120mm*4)+(15mm*3)]*120mm = 63000mm^2 and [(120mm*4)+(25mm*3)]*120mm = 66600mm^2?Quote:
Originally Posted by Webby
When fans are spaced at 15mm, they bump up to the next fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strages
I guess I should have explained fan spacing a bit better (Or at all :D) it is the centre to centre distance between the mounting screws of the fans.
As Waterlogged says with 15mm spacing you get no gaps between the fans with the current PA120.X they have 25mm spacing which puts a 10mm gap between each fan.
Hope that explains it :)
Heh, I was wondering about that as I was writing the above post. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Webby
psh, my civic is to fast for al. its copper, along with my engine block. that thing runs cooooooooolQuote:
Originally Posted by SparkyJJO
wondering if the 120.4 would be better or the 140.3 O_O
I have a tj07 and wondering if either of these would even fit lol
I've never been afraid to run my rads external, constraining your system to all internal is a good way to impose unnecessary constraints. Some folks like the challenge of an all internal system build, I've never had the patience myself. I want something that performs well and very easy to maintain. I've had case enclosed rads before, and they have always been a nightmare to keep clean especially if they are tucked away somewhere. The exterior mounts on the other hand can be as big as you want and easy to take care of.
With blocks and flow rate performance differences getting so tight these days, adding excessive rad capacity is an easy means to real gains and it goes hand in hand with silence if you want both silence and top performance, you need alot of radiator.
Anyhow, glad to see more of the 140s...just hope to see some quads as well.
Things you need to consider are,
1. Which will fit? If both will do you get better airflow from long and thin or short and fat?
2. 4x 120mm fans more choice or 3x 140mm fans with limited choice (although its getting better)
3. If they have similar facial area (depends on fan spacing on the 120.4) then can you get more airflow for the same noise from 4x 120mm over 3x 140mm? Or vice versa.
4. Cost. This is an unknown currently.
After you have considered that it is likely that the PA140.3 will have a lower pressure drop than the PA120.4 as it will have more tubes to split the flow, however this is probably negligible as the PA rads are not at all restrictive to begin with.
In the end I think it will come down to space and fan choice.
Eh oh well I guess I can stop thinking about this one then. Maybe the revised PA120.3 will be better off.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcoffey
I have a PA120.3 in the front of my stacker STC-01, its cooled by 3 140mm yates, switching to the PA140.3 will be a breese and give me 29% more cooling without changing or moving the fans at all. Thats quite awsome!Quote:
Originally Posted by Webby
Edit: picturehttp://i258.photobucket.com/albums/h.../kabinett2.jpg
I like the idea of 140 mm fans. From my limited experience with a newer Lian Li case, they are very quiet. I definitely will be experimenting with one of these rads in the future.
I just finally get to testing the 120.3 and they go and ready a 140.3...think my wife will notice the missing money from her hobby fund? :ROTF:
140mm rads do NOT fit within 5.25" bays
True, but it's possible to remove the bays in some cases ...Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
Why don't you design a prototype case for 140mm rads ?
This I can do, however, it is easier just to use a v2010 or the like :\Quote:
Originally Posted by shazza
I will make a prototype for you all :) it may be rough and a few days though.
the below pic is a gtx 420 in p80 drive bays
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/3984/perma6vn7.jpg
pa140.3 specs are most likely 150x480*50mm i think.
Here Here!Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinm210
LOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by skinnee
I can hear it now:
"But honey, it's for the good of the order, "People" want to know, "I" want to know, Don't you care about anyone but "YOURSELF!!:mad:"". Hours later your thinking...:rolleyes:"What a bad idea, I KNEW I should have bought the EXTRA LARGE dog house"...:confused:.
:D
What's really nice about bringing out the 140x??? line, is that this will give us modders even more ability to be creative and find something that works for each of us. I like this. For those of us that can't fit the 140's, then there is always a GOOD selection of 120x??? stuff on the market. Even better is that TC is pushing for even more performance by revamping the 120.3. This is yet another evolution, as such was the transition from 80mm to 120mm fans. This bodes well for the industry.
It's good to see progress like this!!!
It doesnt fit in the drive bays? if so thats a huge screw up. A drive bay is 147mm, my 140mm fans fit without problems at all...
yes but the rad is always wider than the fansQuote:
Originally Posted by eXa
Yeah it does impose more limits but, well, I kinda like a challenge :D Plus I take my PC to lan parties and such, much easier to have it all in one chassis. But I agree, external does give you more options.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinm210
how could you jack the pc to a LAN party? mine is pretty heavy .. what's your pc's weight?Quote:
Originally Posted by SparkyJJO
Martin, I have to rephrase that. "It's good for the 'larger' order Honey, bigger is better right? I knew you'd understand Honey, thank you Sweety ohh my dream of dreams, you make my life whole."
Thus, I have been married for 24 years and spend like a demon on whatever I want.
Within non-stoopid limits words will make all the diff. Join Toastmasters and learn "Mans SpeechRight". It will almost bypass "Women's Laws" with care and good credit.
Hmm I don't know, I've never weighed it. It's fairly heavy, maybe 40-ish pounds? Just a (very bad) guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Serpentarius
Now you got me curious, I'll have to weigh it sometime :lol2:
HMM I may take this on. I'm itching to build a new case... though I still have to finish my current one. I hope that waterjet guy gets on it soon...
Yeah, I know. I really do admire the system builds I see every day in the worklog forums. There's really another side of this whole hobby in making a piece of art out of all the gear, it takes tons of patience and artistic vision to put everything together like that. It's just not something I ever had the patience to do myself. The best thing in the world for me was going to a tech station (fitting of the tool/function category). Even when I'm not changing a thing, it makes me happy..:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by SparkyJJO
Yeah, I've got to work on my phrasing, I've always been lacking:eek:. We fixed 99% of our spending issues with his/hers recreational savings accounts that's part of our budget. It's not a huge pot of money, but there's no need for discussion or negotiation and it's amazingly satisfying. Then I don't have to employ my poor choice of words...and the dog house is much more roomy and comfy for our dog..lol:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Conumdrum
147mm is wider than 140mm, there is no reason to why you cant make it 147mm... or 145mm.Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
Not even a half centimeter for each side, probably not enough to make the bend in the metal for the housing and have a solid housing at the same time would be my guess.
Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
SNiiPE, the problem is, you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd996sqXnDw ;):ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
The GT series are, I believe, the widest rads made and when they scaled up to the 140, it was doomed from the outset. They went from 133mm wide to 153mm wide. The PA's are 126mm wide so if TC does the same 20mm add, the PA140 should fit into the 5.25 bays pretty snugly @ 146mm.
I would definitely consider this or a 2 fan version of it.
Koolance has what look like rebranded Yate 140's but with ball instead of sleeve bearings, so those could be used with this in horizontal mount situations.
Termochill is back! :up:
sooo getting a 120.4. :D
anyone know who is going to be distributing them in the u.s.? or what shops are going to have them?
Finally a RAD worthy of upgrading my PA120.3's with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lvcoyote
Very nice indeed.
thx
Looks great. Will there be a 140.1 and 140.2 too?
Your performance increase is unlikely to be 29% you will obviously have the additional surface area but the volume of air you are moving with the fans will be the same (assuming your fans are currently shrouded to the rad so all their airflow passes through the rad) I would expect in your case at most a 10% performance boost. The surface area of the rad is only half the story!Quote:
Originally Posted by eXa
And even if it were a full 29% increase in 'performance' it would only lower your water-out to air-in delta by 29%.
I'll be generous and split the difference of 29% and 0% and say a 15% increase in water/air delta temps, which is still only ~2C with a starting delta of ~14C (very high for XS configs...most of us are down in the ~3-7C range I'd bet).