Core i7: "Extended" motherboard back-plate highly recommended

I posted this elsewhere, but it seems like it didn't generate much interest, so I decided to start a new thread.

There are several vendors already with Ci7 waterblocks, but unless error or omission on my part, I don't see any of them with an adequate motherboard back-plate.

Swiftech recommends the use of an extended back-plate where high clamping pressure is applied (typically to improve TIM joint). By "extended", we mean a supplemental back-plate to reinforce the stock solution. Here is why.

The distance between mounting points in socket 1366 is quite a bit larger than that of socket 775. As a result, the motherboard is subjected to much higher flexing forces because of the leverage effect. This is the reason why Intel specified a back-plate with this socket. In Desktop applications, this back-plate is barely larger than the socket though.

One may wonder why the stock back-plate does not extend all the way to the mounting holes, and the reason is simple: in mass market applications such as Desktop, I suspect that OEMS are expected to use the Intel stock cooling solution which snaps into the motherboard without removing the later from the case. In this scenario, the mass (affecting dynamic forces -occuring in shipping for example) and clamping pressure (static forces) of the stock cooler are adequate with respect to motherboard flex and the existing relatively small back-plate.

However, in server applications where heavier cooling solutions are needed (imagine a large passive heatsink for a 1U application for example) it would be logical to speculate that one-piece back-plates fully extending to the mounting holes and featuring sturdier fastening mechanisms will be the norm.

I make this point to illustrate the fact that an extended back-plate is highly recommended to prevent excessive flex of the motherboard in heavy duty cooling applications. Not because of the mass of the water-blocks obviously, since they are all much smaller than massive copper sinks, but because of the high-clamping pressure (static forces) that we -overclockers typically apply to improve our TIM joints.

If you add to this the fact that some vendors release crude (dangerous) retention mechanisms which allow end-users to crank the pressure much beyond what the PCB traces can safely sustain, one can be seriously concerned about damage to the motherboard.

We at Swiftech spent a great deal of time (and $) developping a retention mechanism that is both effective AND safe.

So when you guys are looking for cooling solutions out there, all I can say is: buyers beware!

Good info. Thanks.

This is what I use with my EK Supreme (who don't supply one, tut tut). It a modified Noctua similar to the LGA1366 Thermalright mounting kit.

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x...k/DSCF3061.jpg

Agreed, on the dual socket boards I use plates that attach to the MB tray itself are common. Imagine 2-2lb solid copper HS hanging off of a board.

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Originally Posted by fornowagain

This is what I use with my EK Supreme (who don't supply one, tut tut). It a modified Noctua similar to the LGA1366 Thermalright mounting kit.

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x...k/DSCF3061.jpg

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That would not work with the Rampage II Extreme with it's "Stack Cool" plate on the back. The center cutout needs to be recatangular or cutout much larger to clear the "Stack Cool LGA 1366 Backplate".

I just posted asking about a backplate for the dd mc-tdx 1366 block. I just received it today in the mail and was surprised it did not include one. I hope they have one.. if not I may end up returning the dd block, either that or possibly just making something myself. Seems like it may be easy enough to make something

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Originally Posted by fornowagain

This is what I use with my EK Supreme (who don't supply one, tut tut). It a modified Noctua similar to the LGA1366 Thermalright mounting kit.

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Seems solid enough, but how do you feel about having to do this yourself?

..and how do you know that you have absolute even pressure at all four corners? measure the springs with a caliper? count the turns? how do you know that you are getting the best mount out of your block ?

At this stage of the game, the TIM joint is the single most critical factor in extracting the best performance out of high end blocks, and [EDIT] end users out there are getting short changed if they don't have a reliable and repeatable mounting system.

Nice more delays in my build...LOL


Note: i ordered the swiftech block and own a RE2

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Originally Posted by doox00

I just posted asking about a backplate for the dd mc-tdx 1366 block. I just received it today in the mail and was surprised it did not include one. I hope they have one.. if not I may end up returning the dd block, either that or possibly just making something myself. Seems like it may be easy enough to make something

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Like I said I will make a call Monday to get it done for you ;) PM me.

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Originally Posted by gabe

Seems solid enough, but how do you feel about having to do this yourself?

..and how do you know that you have absolute even pressure at all four corners? measure the springs with a caliper? count the turns? how do you know that you are getting the best mount out of your block ?

At this stage of the game, the TIM joint is the single most critical factor in extracting the best performance out of high end blocks, and 90% of users out there are getting short changed if they don't have a reliable and repeatable mounting system.

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Agreed, Vapor has a thread here with air cooled HS that shows the same effect. Good solid tight contact is what matters.

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Originally Posted by DarthBeavis

Like I said I will make a call Monday to get it done for you ;) PM me.

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Thank you, I appreciate that :)

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Originally Posted by gabe

Seems solid enough, but how do you feel about having to do this yourself?

..and how do you know that you have absolute even pressure at all four corners? measure the springs with a caliper? count the turns? how do you know that you are getting the best mount out of your block ?

At this stage of the game, the TIM joint is the single most critical factor in extracting the best performance out of high end blocks, and 90% of users out there are getting short changed if they don't have a reliable and repeatable mounting system.

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This is one of the reasons that I chose the GTZ for my latest block. The mounting mechanism is fantastic and it is a no-brainer when it comes to tightening. Before I used a pocket "mm" rule to measure from the mounting plate to the top of each knurled nut and hoped I had the rule in exactly the same place on the mounting plate. The extra large knurled nuts also make tightening a breeze. :up:

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Originally Posted by SiGfever

This is one of the reasons that I chose the GTZ for my latest block. The mounting mechanism is fantastic and it is a no-brainer when it comes to tightening. Before I used a pocket "mm" rule to measure from the mounting plate to the top of each knurled nut and hoped I had the rule in exactly the same place on the mounting plate. The extra large knurled nuts also make tightening a breeze. :up:

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Agreed, I'm currently still "stuck" on a Cather Storm G5 as I'm too lazy to re do my loop, but when I upgrade to i7 I'm defenity getting a GTz, love the mounting mechanism on it. That and the Cather Storm G5 has no way to mount onto a i7 currently :p:.

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Originally Posted by gabe

Seems solid enough, but how do you feel about having to do this yourself?

..and how do you know that you have absolute even pressure at all four corners? measure the springs with a caliper? count the turns? how do you know that you are getting the best mount out of your block ?

At this stage of the game, the TIM joint is the single most critical factor in extracting the best performance out of high end blocks, and 90% of users out there are getting short changed if they don't have a reliable and repeatable mounting system.

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90% eh?

Are those hard numbers from in-depth market research, or did those just get pulled from a certain bodily orifice?

It's good that you make a point about the mounting pressure for i7 and the danger of warping boards. But the thinly veiled shot at the competition is pretty low.

yeah....

where did you get that information? reliable mounting? got proof?

didn't you know that 77.85% of all statsistics are made up

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Originally Posted by Hondacity

yeah....

where did you get that information? reliable mounting? got proof?

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The system itself is foolproof, I think. The screws are threaded so all you have to do is screw all of them in all the way to get the intended pressure. Just like thermalright kits.

Or I might be totally wrong.

Guys ease up. I discussed this with somebody who is highly respected here. I am not gonna drag his name into this, but he has told me that mounting theser things can be tricky. Some of them have springs that excert so much pressure you could crack a board, and I believe him. Others cxan be tioghtened down all the way, but have less pressure and mnay people are left to mod springs or hard mount. Hard mounting takes ***experience***. After disicussing it I wouldn't try it. Maybe down the road I would, but it would only happen after I had some experience. I would flip out if i busted a 400 dollar motherboard.

Other things that can happen is uneven pressure, and this has been discussed here in articles written by many respected watercoolers in this forum. Movieman just wrote that Vapor also wrote an article about this.

That was not a shot at the competition. It's a fact. To get the best temps you want an even repeatable mount. I didn't read anything into that. I'm glad Gabe posted that, becasue there are alot of people getting into watercooling. I am one of them. I want all the info I can get. It is greatly appreciated.

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Originally Posted by T_Flight

Other things that can happen is uneven pressure, and this has been discussed here in articles written by many respected watercoolers in this forum. Movieman just wrote that Vapor also wrote an article about this.

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I did? :eek:

The only thing I've done recently is this....http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=209230

EDIT: OH I get it!..:shakes: :am: Yeah, the difference being that those have a 'bottoming' out screws and are (mostly) notorious for 'bad' mounting pressure. In reality, the pressure has always been great on a TRUE, just the mounting design allows twisting, which leaves most users unsure (for good reason). Still, adding pressure did seem to help :shrug:

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Originally Posted by Movieman

Agreed, Vapor has a thread here with air cooled HS that shows the same effect. Good solid tight contact is what matters.

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:confused:

While I am thankful for the post and the information provided by it, I have to admit that I'm personally not liking the advertising with a hint of propaganda which is originating from it in hinting that other manufacturers are making sub-part blocks and directing people towards the GTZ.

It's one thing to advertise it in one post and then let people discuss, but to talk about something else in such a way as to drive people to a product is pretty low imo...



The way I see it it's kind of going like this:

1: "Beware of bad mounting, stock backplate and uneven mounting could kill your motherboard."
Reader's thoughts: "Oh waow he has a point, I'm now going to be careful when I purchase and search for the words "good retention mechanism".
2: "Aha, you posted a suggestion, but do you have the tools required to make sure it's good?"
Reader's thoughts: "Oooooh nice one... I guess if I don't have a GTZ I might kill my board."






Or maybe I'm just being paranoid :ROTF:

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Originally Posted by T_Flight

That would not work with the Rampage II Extreme with it's "Stack Cool" plate on the back. The center cutout needs to be recatangular or cutout much larger to clear the "Stack Cool LGA 1366 Backplate".

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Same on my EX58-Extreme, just use a washers to lift it above the plate.

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Originally Posted by gabe

Seems solid enough, but how do you feel about having to do this yourself?

..and how do you know that you have absolute even pressure at all four corners? measure the springs with a caliper? count the turns? how do you know that you are getting the best mount out of your block ?

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What would be great is that I could actually buy your backplate in the UK. I've had to resort to making my own and it works just fine. And yes I measure the depth with a digital vernier to start with, not difficult, when I'm happy with that I drop a length of plastic tube down each spring core to create a stop. Having done this a few donkeys years I check the TIM pattern for dispersal with a few trial mounts.

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Originally Posted by T_Flight

That would not work with the Rampage II Extreme with it's "Stack Cool" plate on the back. The center cutout needs to be recatangular or cutout much larger to clear the "Stack Cool LGA 1366 Backplate".

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The "Stack Cool" backplate you're referring to are not something unique to the R2E, infact it is the plate Gabe's refering to in his OP. It is found on all Core i7 motherboards.

From Asus' website;
"Effective and zero-noise heat dissipation
Stack Cool 2 is a fan-less and zero-noise cooling solution offered exclusively by ASUS. It effectively transfers heat generated by the critical components to the other side of the specially designed PCB (printed circuit board) for effective heat dissipation."

Basically just extra copper or other material within the PCB for transfering heat. Nothing to do with the "Stack Cool plate".

This Noctua backplate, and a similer one offered by Thermalright's 1366 mounting kit, is designed to cover the entire stock PCB's backplate, effectively putting the pressure on the CPU and stock backplate, and not on the fragile PCB.

http://www.scan.co.uk/Images/Products/892513-a.jpg

edit: here's a pic of the back plate on an Gigabyte board:
http://www.abload.de/img/05fldl.jpg

Any news on what kind of back plate the Fuzion V2 will use on its LGA1366 mounting kit?

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Originally Posted by 003

Any news on what kind of back plate the Fuzion V2 will use on its LGA1366 mounting kit?

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Haven't seen or heard anything yet dude.

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Originally Posted by T_Flight

Guys ease up. I discussed this with somebody who is highly respected here. I am not gonna drag his name into this, but he has told me that mounting theser things can be tricky. Some of them have springs that excert so much pressure you could crack a board, and I believe him. Others cxan be tioghtened down all the way, but have less pressure and mnay people are left to mod springs or hard mount. Hard mounting takes ***experience***. After disicussing it I wouldn't try it. Maybe down the road I would, but it would only happen after I had some experience. I would flip out if i busted a 400 dollar motherboard.

Other things that can happen is uneven pressure, and this has been discussed here in articles written by many respected watercoolers in this forum. Movieman just wrote that Vapor also wrote an article about this.

That was not a shot at the competition. It's a fact. To get the best temps you want an even repeatable mount. I didn't read anything into that. I'm glad Gabe posted that, becasue there are alot of people getting into watercooling. I am one of them. I want all the info I can get. It is greatly appreciated.

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It's all well and good. You have to take extra care when mounting stuff, that's always true.

I take exception to the numbers pulled out of nowhere and the whole "my product is the only safe product" message that was couched in what was otherwise a good warning to the community.

I work with stats every day and it's unreal how people pull numbers out of their behinds with no grounding in reality.

What do you do with the backplate that comes on boards like the P6T Deluxe and Rampage Extreme II ? I don't have a pic handy, but it's quite a large metal plate on the back of the CPU area. Do you remove this before adding the backplate for a block like the GTZ, or does that backplate just go over it?

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Originally Posted by shazza

What do you do with the backplate that comes on boards like the P6T Deluxe and Rampage Extreme II ? I don't have a pic handy, but it's quite a large metal plate on the back of the CPU area. Do you remove this before adding the backplate for a block like the GTZ, or does that backplate just go over it?

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I don't think you want to remove the stock backplate.

It just looks like the GTZ-backplate avoiding going ontop of this stockplate. Or thats just the picture that fools the eye.

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Originally Posted by shazza

What do you do with the backplate that comes on boards like the P6T Deluxe and Rampage Extreme II ? I don't have a pic handy, but it's quite a large metal plate on the back of the CPU area. Do you remove this before adding the backplate for a block like the GTZ, or does that backplate just go over it?

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With the RIIE Sazz you have to leave that in place as that hold the CPU hold down bracket mechanism in place. without it wouldn't be good put it that way heheh. Plus if I remember without going back to look at it it's riveted in place not screwed right. It's fine to stay there it doesn't get in the way.

gabe is not saying other vendor's stuff is shiat . . .heck his posting here will probably help to get everyone on the same page (granted they probably planned to do so anyways or at least one would think so) . . .as long as we do not have one vendor talking crap about other vendors (specifying them by name) then it is all good. Gabe surely has more class than that . . .it is great to have professionals (Petra is another example) who come here and help educate us.

If intel specified a backplate, does the stock cooler that comes with their CPU include a backplate?

If not, thats rather hypocritical.

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Originally Posted by shazza

What do you do with the backplate that comes on boards like the P6T Deluxe and Rampage Extreme II ? I don't have a pic handy, but it's quite a large metal plate on the back of the CPU area. Do you remove this before adding the backplate for a block like the GTZ, or does that backplate just go over it?

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Originally Posted by mcoffey

I was just wondering the same thing.

andyc

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This;

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Originally Posted by eternal_fantasy

This Noctua backplate, and a similer one offered by Thermalright's 1366 mounting kit, is designed to cover the entire stock PCB's backplate, effectively putting the pressure on the CPU and stock backplate, and not on the fragile PCB.

http://www.scan.co.uk/Images/Products/892513-a.jpg

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The Thermalright backplate is exactly the same size as the onboard stock plate, even the cutout in the middle is of the same size. Also with Thermalright the threaded ends are slightly raised, so the four ends touches the PCB, while the rest sit flat against the stock backplate.

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Originally Posted by Chruschef

If intel specified a backplate, does the stock cooler that comes with their CPU include a backplate?

If not, thats rather hypocritical.

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I believe Gaby was refering to Intel specified backplate on the actual motherboard. Not on aftermarket HSF.

http://www.abload.de/img/05fldl.jpg
(the big metal plate there)

Gabe have you helped Intel design their mobos?

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Originally Posted by zlojack

I take exception to the numbers pulled out of nowhere and the whole "my product is the only safe product" message that was couched in what was otherwise a good warning to the community.

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statistics: you are absolutely right, I edited my response. Satisfied? For the record, note that this "questionable" statistic was not part of the original announcement, but merely a point made during the course of a discussion, such point being a metaphor to illustrate an argument.

I am willing nonetheless to bet that once this thread is over with, you will see other vendors offering back-plates. Which serves my purpose: stirring the pot is sometimes necessary to get things moving in the right direction, and if it illustrates in the process the fact that we lead the way, then so be it. After all we worked hard enough on this to make a claim for recognition.

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Originally Posted by gabe

statistics: you are absolutely right, I edited my response. Satisfied? For the record, note that this "questionable" statistic was not part of the original announcement, but merely a point made during the course of a discussion, such point being a metaphor to illustrate an argument.

I am willing nonetheless to bet that once this thread is over with, you will see other vendors offering back-plates. Which serves my purpose: stirring the pot is sometimes necessary to get things moving in the right direction, and if it illustrates in the process the fact that we lead the way, then so be it. After all we worked hard enough on this to make a claim for recognition.

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Fair enough.

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Originally Posted by DarthBeavis

gabe is not saying other vendor's stuff is shiat . . .heck his posting here will probably help to get everyone on the same page (granted they probably planned to do so anyways or at least one would think so) . . .as long as we do not have one vendor talking crap about other vendors (specifying them by name) then it is all good. Gabe surely has more class than that . . .it is great to have professionals (Petra is another example) who come here and help educate us.

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Yeah, somebody gets it. I just hope they stick around. I don't like some of these insinuations here. People are reading things into his post that are simply not there trying to start another one of these conspiracies up.

That's why we have very few manufacturers on here.

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Originally Posted by T_Flight

Yeah, somebody gets it. I just hope they stick around. I don't like some of these insinuations here. People are reading things into his post that are simply not there trying to start another one of these conspiracies up.

That's why we have very few manufacturers on here.

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Dude, the manufacturers are on here as much for the free market research and feedback as they are to contribute.

It's great to have them here because it helps us to get great products and it helps them to make money. But believe me, they are out there to make money. This is a niche market so any extra market share they can get is good for them.

If they come on here for ideas or to present new products and concepts, that's great. If they come on here to contribute valuable information (such as the warning about taking care when mounting your block with i7) that's great.

But they are also sellers. We are their customers, so sometimes the sales pitch will creep into what they say and do here. I just take exception to false statistics because I work with consumer trends and stats for a living.

Whether they like it or not, these company reps/owners do have to tread a little more lightly because of who they are. That's the price they pay for such direct access to the heart of their most ardent and important customers.

That's where we disagree. They are not any different from anybody else except for the fact that nobody knows these products better than the people who make them and work with them everyday.

They are not gonna "pay a price" here, and if I have to, I will be all over anyone who tries to start that stuff up everytime I see it. Like I said, that's why we have very few mnaufacturers on here is because of these attacks are running them all off.

Whatever you want to believe, but what I said stands. I've had it with the BS around here, and I'm in no mood for this tripe today.

I love it that company owner/reps are here with info about their products. But, fact is, they have a fiduciary duty to the company they represent. They CAN'T be like everyone else here. They have a vested interest in their own product and a duty to their company.

There's nothing wrong with that, but I think it's the context in which you have to read the material.

Which should be present no problem here, as there's no shortage of critics.:p:

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Originally Posted by T_Flight

Whatever you want to believe, but what I said stands. I've had it with the BS around here, and I'm in no mood for this tripe today.

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LOL

You flame away then, buddy. But if I see BS, I call BS.

This is a two-way street. The manufacturers come here and help us out, but we also help them with our feedback and suggestions. As I said, it's free market research for them.

So if someone wants to be skeptical about the motivation of a certain comment, that is their prerogative. If you choose to flame, that is yours.

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Originally Posted by TedShred

I love it that company owner/reps are here with info about their products. But, fact is, they have a fiduciary duty to the company they represent. They CAN'T be like everyone else here. They have a vested interest in their own product and a duty to their company.

There's nothing wrong with that, but I think it's the context in which you have to read the material.

Which should be present no problem here, as there's no shortage of critics.:p:

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This is pretty much a perfect statement.

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Originally Posted by gabe

statistics: you are absolutely right, I edited my response. Satisfied? For the record, note that this "questionable" statistic was not part of the original announcement, but merely a point made during the course of a discussion, such point being a metaphor to illustrate an argument.

I am willing nonetheless to bet that once this thread is over with, you will see other vendors offering back-plates. Which serves my purpose: stirring the pot is sometimes necessary to get things moving in the right direction, and if it illustrates in the process the fact that we lead the way, then so be it. After all we worked hard enough on this to make a claim for recognition.

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What is funny is behind closed doors you hear vendors speak well about other vendor's products and companies in general . . . well, I have not been behind your closed doors but I am sure I would hear the same type of thing . . .

It would be cool to hear a bit about your experience in how your company has grown . . .the changes you have seen in the market, and such. You went public didn't you? If so, how has that impacted your company? I wish we had firm numbers for marketshare to tell us who are the largest companies in this industry . . . .maybe third-party sources such as the online vendors have the best comparative info . . .it would be scary to see a company like Thermaltake sells the most water-cooling over quality companies like yours, EK, DD, Dtek, Bitspower, Koolance (yes Koolance is now in the upper group), etc . . .

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Originally Posted by zlojack

LOL

You flame away then, buddy. But if I see BS, I call BS.

This is a two-way street. The manufacturers come here and help us out, but we also help them with our feedback and suggestions. As I said, it's free market research for them.

So if someone wants to be skeptical about the motivation of a certain comment, that is their prerogative. If you choose to flame, that is yours.




This is pretty much a perfect statement.

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ummm, excuse me? I think there got it backwards there bud. You were the one doing the flaming, and I called you on it. Others agree. I'm not on here to flame, but I will put a stop to the BS that is running off all these people from here.

You may want to try and run these mnaufacturers off, but take a look at this thread...good luck with that. There are alot more of us that like them here then there are of these conspiracy therorists.

I'm not trying to run anyone off.

I was mainly taking issue with him taking shots at the competition and putting forth false statistics.

You're the one who decided to get into flaming me over it.

I have no desire to run off any manufacturers, so I don't know what put that idiotic idea into your head, but you need to back off.

Look at my posting history and find where I've ever tried to run off a manufacturer.

Don's the "hat"
Gentlemen:
Now before we all get our panties in a bunch lets take a deep breath huh?
Of course people like gabe hope to make money from their products and showing them here IF those products are good will help their bottom line.
This should be taken for granted and not even need to be said.
The other side of this is that these people bring an expertise with them that no amount of money can buy.
The years of working these products. Refining,testing,etc.
That is the huge benefit I see to having manufacturer's here.
Let's be respectfull of that can we please and not always try to tear people apart due to a misplaced word.
Life is just too frigging short for battles over tiny issues.
Look for the positive and try to ignore the negative.
Thanks for reading.

Sorry MM, I'm not trying to cause trouble. My point is just that a manufacturer needs to be careful about throwing out sweeping generalizations like that, because it sure seemed like a jab at the competition to me. We all saw how it went down when there was even the rumour of one dude threatening another. They want our business, after all, so it's probably better to avoid that kind of thing completely.

I'm well aware that they often share very good information and I think that's great as, along with the direct feedback they from the users here, this information sharing has certainly advanced this technology a lot.

Often how you say something is just as important as what you're saying.

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Originally Posted by zlojack

Sorry MM, I'm not trying to cause trouble. My point is just that a manufacturer needs to be careful about throwing out sweeping generalizations like that, because it sure seemed like a jab at the competition to me. We all saw how it went down when there was even the rumour of one dude threatening another. They want our business, after all, so it's probably better to avoid that kind of thing completely.

I'm well aware that they often share very good information and I think that's great as, along with the direct feedback they from the users here, this information sharing has certainly advanced this technology a lot.

Often how you say something is just as important as what you're saying.

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Yes, it is. And it's also important how one approachs posting on the forum.
Is it to be a positive post or a negative?
Is it to help or to generate controversy?
I read his first post and what I took from it was essentially that one needed a backplate.
I agreed and posted a comment about what we do with dual socket boards when you can have up to 4+lbs of copper hanging with the 2 heatsinks.
Just made common sense to me and if other companies aren't doing it then thats their choice but for me with a $500.00 motherboard for my duals I used a solid plate long before it was fashionable. Again, just common sense to me.
Now as to gabe in general I've found him to be helpfull and yes, I kinow he is here to promote his products.
I've also found his products to be well made, reasonably priced and they do the job intended. Am I a bit of a Swiftech fanboi? Yea, I think I am.
My first water cooling experience was with his parts and that is what made a beleiver out of me. Just good stuff, that simple.
Now if he wants to come here, toss some ideas, show some new items and offer thoughts on design,etc I'm all for that.

I agree 100% and you'll note that I posted after his first post that I appreciated the information. I took exception more with the later post, which he subsequently edited. But generally I'm not a negative guy and I don't usually flame or provoke. I'm here to learn and to share what little I know.

Anyway, a big deal was made out of a small thing.

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Originally Posted by zlojack

I agree 100% and you'll note that I posted after his first post that I appreciated the information. I took exception more with the later post, which he subsequently edited. But generally I'm not a negative guy and I don't usually flame or provoke. I'm here to learn and to share what little I know.

Anyway, a big deal was made out of a small thing.

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Fair enough.. Now back to the important stuff;
you got snow in Toronto yet?:D

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Originally Posted by Movieman

Fair enough.. Now back to the important stuff;
you got snow in Toronto yet?:D

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We've had some, but it's gone now. Cold enough, though.

Apparently we've got a big storm on its way in by Monday.:(


Good benching weather, anyway!

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We've had some, but it's gone now. Cold enough, though.

Apparently we've got a big storm on its way in by Monday.:(


Good benching weather, anyway!

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I'm 55 miles NNW of Boston,Mass and it went from 70's to 20's in a week..
sayonara summer..:(

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Originally Posted by Movieman

I'm 55 miles NNW of Boston,Mass and it went from 70's to 20's in a week..
sayonara summer..:(

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Personally, I much prefer cherry pie over pumpkin pie. Once the novelty of pumpkin pie wore off for me, it just wasn't that good any more. What about you?

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Originally Posted by 003

Personally, I much prefer cherry pie over pumpkin pie. Once the novelty of pumpkin pie wore off for me, it just wasn't that good any more. What about you?

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Don't care for pumkin pie, but apple,cherry,blueberry..,.YUMM!:up:
I don't think I've had cherry pie in years..

I like pie

Dude you guys aren't enjoying pie until you've tried a Sweet Potato Pie. I'm not talking about those frozen one's you buy at the grocery. Get one that's already pre-made/ready to eat at Kroger, or walmart in the bakery section. You'll thank me later! BTW they look almost identical to a Pumpkin Pie but Sooooo much better. Add a cup of Boiled Custard and your ready for the Holidays!

Another tip: Warm up your slice in the Microwave for 8 seconds for maximum enjoyment! ;)

Most pumpkin pie, isnt pumpkin. Pumpkin is actually rather bland, and so they use other types of squash.

And I prefer berry pies. Not a fan of cherries though.

Just a side note I do find it interesting that Foxconn's Bloodrage will except both new retention systems and the old 775 ones. Makes you think manufactures wanted everyone to swap out heatsinks for new ones.

After watching Zohan I will never look at pie the same way again . . .ewwww.

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Personally, I much prefer cherry pie over pumpkin pie. Once the novelty of pumpkin pie wore off for me, it just wasn't that good any more. What about you?

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Don't care for pumkin pie, but apple,cherry,blueberry..,.YUMM!:up:
I don't think I've had cherry pie in years..

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Someone mention pie? :D

:rofl:

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Someone mention pie? :D

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Pie, rumors have it if you say it 3 times in front of a mirror you get one, but noone dared to try yet as Skinnee came after the first one and ran to the kitchen oc'ing the fridge, watercooling the microwave and trying to get the toaster to crunch:p:

hmm somebody bring out the calorie calculator...

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Your point was written a few times, one not enough?
Your beliving people dont get it the first time and dont understand?

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not really, all he did after his polite exchange with Gabe (end of their argument) was explain his own opinion because he works with consumer trends and stats for a living and it bug him to see #s pulled out of a hat. to which Gabe did point out it was merely a part of the ongoing conversation.

it is really part of Gabe's job when joining these kinds of forums to take some constructive criticism (positive and even negative ones) for him to be able to make a better product in the future. and he'll call it market research... he could have easily handed this kinds of things to any of his assistants but being Personally involve in research and feeling the market is also a good experience...

then you have post#40 which started another argument between 2 opposing oppinions... to which MM donned his hat and stepped in clearing the air...

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Retorical, adding numbers or similiar "facts" to an argument are really common since it builds on and supports the original statement which can be missleading for about 84% of the members of this forum.

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agreed on this, too fast reading and not enough comprehending sometimes leads to arguments... one needs to step back a little and take a breather and reread a few times to comprehend some statements...

And, after all the digression, I'm still confused. It looks like the backplate that comes mounted on the ASUS P6T Deluxe (for example), is not meant to come off. From the pic of the new 1366 mounting kit for the Apogee GTZ, it doesn't look like it fits "around" the backplate ... so does it just sit on top of it. Sorry for being dense, just want to be careful.


Pardon me while I go have a piece of pumpkin pie ...

I just had this mental image of gabe logging into this thread and trying to figure out where all the talk of pie fits in!:rofl:
Ok, so we need to know if Gabe's plate is supposed to go over the plates that come on the motherboards or replace them.
I'd guess go over but thats just a guess.


Edit: Just read from his first post in this thread:
"Swiftech recommends the use of an extended back-plate where high clamping pressure is applied (typically to improve TIM joint). By "extended", we mean a supplemental back-plate to reinforce the stock solution"
To me that says it goes over the factory backplate.. supplemental means "to add to" not replace.
One question from me for Gabe;
When are the back plates due out for socket 1366 to work with the ApogeeGT's?

Thanks, Movieman ... that's my take too, that it goes on top of the other backplate.

Just want to make sure, cause with the Rampage Extreme, you can't use the supplied 775 backplate for the GTZ without cutting the middle out (but this board doesn't come with an installed backplate, so I know it's not the same).

I was going to use my EK Supreme on my i7 build, but i'm not sure now. Am i right in thinking the difference in temps between a max-safely-pressured block without an extended back plate and a (presumably tighter) max-safely-pressured block with the extra support isn't going to be that much?

Someone do a comparison :yepp:

i say this thread needs pictures of said extended backplate... and pies....

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I was going to use my EK Supreme on my i7 build, but i'm not sure now. Am i right in thinking the difference in temps between a max-safely-pressured block without an extended back plate and a (presumably tighter) max-safely-pressured block with the extra support isn't going to be that much?

Someone do a comparison :yepp:

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safe???
We are extremeists, we enjoy the pressure of mounting haehm waterblocks.

I had no issue mounting the block, tested a few times until I made sure when the block made good contact, and as far, good temps, 43c idle or so with a gpu in the loop.
Its however, as noted a backplate extension wouldnt hurt for those that are less careful and make mistakes.
Its good customer support in my book.

Safe = board traces still intact :yepp: Surely even extremists want this :D

Good to know it's ok without though, i think i'll go ahead with EK once my replacement block arrives. I went through my last one with a drill while trying to go through the tiny allen head screws (they were so tight the key only tore up the holes and they got stuck).

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And, after all the digression, I'm still confused. It looks like the backplate that comes mounted on the ASUS P6T Deluxe (for example), is not meant to come off. From the pic of the new 1366 mounting kit for the Apogee GTZ, it doesn't look like it fits "around" the backplate ... so does it just sit on top of it. Sorry for being dense, just want to be careful.


Pardon me while I go have a piece of pumpkin pie ...

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the stock back-plate is not supposed to come off, it is bolted through the board and into the socket. our pie fits around it ;)

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One question from me for Gabe;
When are the back plates due out for socket 1366 to work with the ApogeeGT's?

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back plate will remain the same. only the gt chrome hold-down plate will change.

Will this backplate work with other blocks as well?

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Will this backplate work with other blocks as well?

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Our PEM standoffs are M3. If your block uses M3 screws, it should, otherwise, you need to change your block screws.

I hope it's sturdy enough. I've had quite a difficult time not bending my board with Apogee's GTX backplate.

However the need for a backplate in larger 1366 socket is indeed greater and yours will surely lead the way for other wb manufacturers as well.

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the stock back-plate is not supposed to come off, it is bolted through the board and into the socket. our pie fits around it ;)

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Thank you, kind sir.

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the stock back-plate is not supposed to come off, it is bolted through the board and into the socket. our pie fits around it ;)

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Has anyone tired any i7 backplates yet? Also anyone know of one that works with an EK supreme? (I want to make sure that I buy the right thing)

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Has anyone tired any i7 backplates yet? Also anyone know of one that works with an EK supreme? (I want to make sure that I buy the right thing)

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I'd like to know as well.

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Has anyone tired any i7 backplates yet? Also anyone know of one that works with an EK supreme? (I want to make sure that I buy the right thing)

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My GTZ and backplate will arrive tomorrow, so can find out then :)

Sorry for the minor thread necro (1 month), but I have been searching for a good backplate to use with an EK Supreme on a 1366 board (DFI LP UT X58).

I noticed that mounting the ek block, the bolts come through the board and then the springs go down on top of the bolts - tightened with a nut. Pictured here

The likely candidates for backplates seem to be:
type 1
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/lga13sobbowi.html (no name)
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/thax13bo.html (thermalright)
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/thlgboreboxb.html (thermalright)
or type 2
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/swapforincoi.html (the swiftech bracket talked about in this thread)

It seems to me that the type 1 backplates all have the screws going in to the plate rather than bolts coming out. The Swiftech bracket I am not sure on.

If anyone has advice on what to use for a 1366 backplate with an EK Supreme, I would appreciate it.

Thanks,
-sfxs

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c5...5/bracket2.jpg

i like the koolance best...

you only sandwich the cpu cage...

anyone using the Ek supreme w/ the RIIE? if so which backplate works? thanks

I used the TRUE backplate and drilled out the screw posts.

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Sorry for the minor thread necro (1 month), but I have been searching for a good backplate to use with an EK Supreme on a 1366 board (DFI LP UT X58).

I noticed that mounting the ek block, the bolts come through the board and then the springs go down on top of the bolts - tightened with a nut. Pictured here

The likely candidates for backplates seem to be:
type 1
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/lga13sobbowi.html (no name)
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/thax13bo.html (thermalright)
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/thlgboreboxb.html (thermalright)
or type 2
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/swapforincoi.html (the swiftech bracket talked about in this thread)

It seems to me that the type 1 backplates all have the screws going in to the plate rather than bolts coming out. The Swiftech bracket I am not sure on.

If anyone has advice on what to use for a 1366 backplate with an EK Supreme, I would appreciate it.

Thanks,
-sfxs

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What about Ek's own offering?

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What about Ek's own offering?

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What kind of availability does that have in the US? As much as I'd like to have the EK backplate, I haven't been able to find it anywhere in US shops. Shipping a small metal shim that costs < 5 USD from Slovenia doesn't sound cheap or fast.

Pre-post edit :rolleyes:: looks like FrozenCPU carries it here.

-sfxs

Or PPC...

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That is a hold down plate released before support for 1366 was integrated to the EK Supreme, and not a backplate (afaik).

-sfxs

Of course it is... Sorry about that!

I don't know if the thread sizes will work, but I really like the GTZ the best out of all the ones I've seen. Every other backplate I've seen has the issue of going on top of the back of the CPU socket. There are SMT components in there that need to disipate heat, but with some of these backplates heat is trapped in there. The GTZ is the only one I've seen that properly supports the board without interferring with the back of the socket on the i7's.

It's also possible to modify the GTZ backplate by drilling, drilling and retapping, drilling and using pem nuts, or rivetnuts. There is lots of possibilities there. :)

Yes that one works out great. Just drill the holes and your good to go. I am using it on my supreme and it worked out great. Also you might want to clip your standoffs in the back, at least on the p6t...