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4x 16GB STT MasterDrive PX SSD @ ARC1231/ASR5805/HRR3520/ICH10R
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Any random write with IOMeter? Or mixed random read/write.
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anything but iometer.. lol please :)
later when i got time will include iometer
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thanks.. agreed 256k optimal performance
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WOAH... hdd file write speeds :eek:
crazy! drools :)
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even better now :) thanks eva
if id spend my money better.. itd be 4x x25-e..
i found the sweet spot.. time now for nlited xp install
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Speed junky are we :D
But damn, Adaptec needs to tune their cards more just like you said. I mean, the 1231ML is like really old tech compared to the 5805.. It shouldn't be that much faster. Not even with 2Gb cache in it.
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wonder how it stacks up against Highpoint's new RR4320 PCI-E SAS/SATA ?
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hey can you bench the onboard hardware raid controller on GB board just for kicks
i would love to see what it does
i am absolutely shocked at these figures particular that 230K HDD score
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jcool
Speed junky are we :D
But damn, Adaptec needs to tune their cards more just like you said. I mean, the 1231ML is like really old tech compared to the 5805.. It shouldn't be that much faster. Not even with 2Gb cache in it.
lol :D yeh a bit lol
the 5805 should perform exactly as the 1231 @ 4x
1x @ arc1210 = 188MB/s
188 x 4 = 752MB/s
and thats what the 1231 is doing.. but 5805 nowhere near
5805 just needs full/more ssd support.. and whatever tuning/tweaking
hard to believe a dualcore 1.2ghz maxes out @ just above 600MB/s
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eva2000
wonder how it stacks up against Highpoint's new RR4320 PCI-E SAS/SATA ?
great specs.. but what good does it do if they dont include full support for ssds.. should be faster than the 1231
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dinos22
hey can you bench the onboard hardware raid controller on GB board just for kicks
i would love to see what it does
i am absolutely shocked at these figures particular that 230K HDD score
you mean 1GB cache ??
the 231k is from the cache + 4x
78634 is the first run.. then it all ran from cache but its not just the cache alone
sure will post 1GB cache..
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RR4320 doesn't have full support for SSD ?
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rr3510/3520 sure dont
i just downloaded the rr4320 bios.. v1.2.9.17 09/17/2008
chances are this controller does feature more ssd support
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NapalmV5
lol :D yeh a bit lol
the 5805 should perform exactly as the 1231 @ 4x
1x @ arc1210 = 188MB/s
188 x 4 = 752MB/s
and thats what the 1231 is doing.. but 5805 nowhere near
5805 just needs full/more ssd support.. and whatever tuning/tweaking
hard to believe a dualcore 1.2ghz maxes out @ just above 600MB/s
great specs.. but what good does it do if they dont include full support for ssds.. should be faster than the 1231
you mean 1GB cache ??
the 231k is from the cache + 4x
78634 @ post # 6 is the first run.. then it all ran from cache but its not just the cache alone
sure will post 1GB cache..
no no i meant Gigabyte onboard raid controller which is also supposed to be a hardware controller
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NapalmV5
rr3510/3520 sure dont
i just downloaded the rr4320 bios.. v1.2.9.17 09/17/2008
chances are this controller does feature more ssd support
Guess i'm confused by what you mean ssd support, as my ssds work fine on 3520lf :)
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dinos22
no no i meant Gigabyte onboard raid controller which is also supposed to be a hardware controller
oh sorry.. got it :)
alright will do 4x onboard the ep45
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eva2000
Guess i'm confused by what you mean ssd support, as my ssds work fine on 3520lf :)
lol so youre satisfied with 483MB/s ? hmm..
4x ocz core should perform at no less than 572MB/s :) no reason it shouldnt unless no full support
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well the ocz core v1 on onboard controllers do around 120-130MB/s so 4x would be 480-520MB/s so well within margins.. maybe if i had more than 256MB cache on 3520LF or if i had faster SSDs would be better ?
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NapalmV5
4x ocz core should perform at no less than 572MB/s :) no reason it shouldnt unless no full support
V2 will do 572 (~576), V1 will not. And you dont actually have 700+mb/s anything with 4 drives, the benchmarks are getting fooled by the extreme cache, pcmark especially. The real speeds of the 5805 and the arc1231 are the same.
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One_Hertz
V2 will do 572 (~576), V1 will not. And you dont actually have 700+mb/s anything with 4 drives, the benchmarks are getting fooled by the extreme cache, pcmark especially. The real speeds of the 5805 and the arc1231 are the same.
dont let the cache fool you.. certainly doesnt fool me.. within 2GB thats the performance i get.. past 2GB read about the same.. write probably @ 700MB/s
heres 4x @ 1231
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/5...crystalfl2.jpg
ssds are not hdds :up:
if controller sports full support/functions no reason if 1x @ 150MB/s why 4x shouldnt do 600MB/s
6x @ hrr3520 256MB = 777MB/s
6x @ asr5805 512MB = 637MB/s
how you explain that One_Hertz?? hmm?
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Originally Posted by
eva2000
well the ocz core v1 on onboard controllers do around 120-130MB/s so 4x would be 480-520MB/s so well within margins.. maybe if i had more than 256MB cache on 3520LF or if i had faster SSDs would be better ?
its not all about cache
full support/functions #1
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i thought these P45 boards actually have hardware raid controllers onboard?
i also though intel ICH is not hardware raid
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asr5805
1 aug firmware/bios/drivers
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/2374/tach5805pq7.png
8 dec firmware/bios/drivers
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/7746/4x5805ou7.jpg
+: improved access time/burst/write
-: decreased read
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thank you for taking the time to do all these benches with the different controllers NapalmV5!
Soon running 4x of these drives will approach the speeds of running things directly in ram :D
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NapalmV5
dont let the cache fool you.. certainly doesnt fool me.. within 2GB thats the performance i get.. past 2GB read about the same.. write probably @ 700MB/s
heres 4x @ 1231
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/5...crystalfl2.jpg
ssds are not hdds :up:
if controller sports full support/functions no reason if 1x @ 150MB/s why 4x shouldnt do 600MB/s
6x @ hrr3520 256MB = 777MB/s
6x @ asr5805 512MB = 637MB/s
how you explain that One_Hertz?? hmm?
I dont understand what you are saying... I thought you had 4 drives not 6 and all the 700+mb/s benchies are with 4 drives? I see 64gb there so 4 drives? 4x should indeed do 600, but not the 700 or 800 you are seeing. If thats 6x then sure; if its 4x then the benchmarks are false. All controllers send the same ATA read command to the drive and they can't mystically speed them up to be faster than the manufacturer's maximum specs.
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Levish
thank you for taking the time to do all these benches with the different controllers NapalmV5!
Soon running 4x of these drives will approach the speeds of running things directly in ram :D
your welcome.. :)
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One_Hertz
I dont understand what you are saying... I thought you had 4 drives not 6 and all the 700+mb/s benchies are with 4 drives? I see 64gb there so 4 drives? 4x should indeed do 600, but not the 700 or 800 you are seeing. If thats 6x then sure; if its 4x then the benchmarks are false. All controllers send the same ATA read command to the drive and they can't mystically speed them up to be faster than the manufacturer's maximum specs.
great here i go again.. confusing the crap outta people
youre twisting that this could be 6x instead of 4x?.. unbelievable
this thread is all about 4x.. removed the 2x since it takes alot of time to do all this.. i wish i could edit the title i cant.. i didnt include any 6x in the thread.. all 4x = 64GB
4x false ? right cause im the one posting all this it must be false.. thanks alot!
manufacturer spec for the masterdrive px is 170/130 read/write
whose to say thats the limit? they probably were conservative or they upgraded their px line ;)
p serial # performing @ 40MB/s read higher than r serial #
why is 1x @ 188MB/s read on the arc1210 which is only 256MB ??
again, how you explain that mr. One_Hertz ??
of course again you wont..
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thanks for the update on new firmware for 5805... looks even more tempting right now :)
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sure youre welcome.. theres still alot room for improvement
hopefully the next bios improves read
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Nice testing Napalm! Thx for sharing the results
A bit surprised at the Adaptec 5805's performance compared to the Areca1231
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NapalmV5
your welcome.. :)
great here i go again.. confusing the crap outta people
youre twisting that this could be 6x instead of 4x?.. unbelievable
this thread is all about 4x.. removed the 2x since it takes alot of time to do all this.. i wish i could edit the title i cant.. i didnt include any 6x in the thread.. all 4x = 64GB
4x false ? right cause im the one posting all this it must be false.. thanks alot!
manufacturer spec for the masterdrive px is 170/130 read/write
whose to say thats the limit? they probably were conservative or they upgraded their px line ;)
p serial # performing @ 40MB/s read higher than r serial #
why is 1x @ 188MB/s read on the arc1210 which is only 256MB ??
again, how you explain that mr. One_Hertz ??
of course again you wont..
You are the one with the 6x comment that I quoted before (that you edited out now). That is the only place i took 6 drives from.
I really don't want to burst your bubble but I can bet any amount of money that you are not seeing 209MB/s sequential writes from each of your drives, like one of your benchies shows. 188mb/s reads is closer to reality, but still not real. If you know the first thing about SSDs you will realize how absurd it is to claim that your drives are able to write at faster speeds than to read. Unfortunately I do not think you do. The writes you are showing are a good deal faster than the Intel SLC drive. Manufacturers are not idiots and will not under rate their drives. Whatever controller you put on there will still be limited by how quickly the drive performs the operations sent to it; that part never changes.
Open your eyes. 600-650 seq reads and 500-550 seq writes is the best you can possibly see from 4 of those drives, regardless what you hook them up to.
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NeedMoMegaHurtZ
Nice testing Napalm! Thx for sharing the results
A bit surprised at the Adaptec 5805's performance compared to the Areca1231
thanks.. youre welcome :)
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Originally Posted by
One_Hertz
You are the one with the 6x comment that I quoted before (that you edited out now). That is the only place i took 6 drives from.
I really don't want to burst your bubble but I can bet any amount of money that you are not seeing 209MB/s sequential writes from each of your drives, like one of your benchies shows. 188mb/s reads is closer to reality, but still not real. If you know the first thing about SSDs you will realize how absurd it is to claim that your drives are able to write at faster speeds than to read. Unfortunately I do not think you do. The writes you are showing are a good deal faster than the Intel SLC drive. Manufacturers are not idiots and will not under rate their drives. Whatever controller you put on there will still be limited by how quickly the drive performs the operations sent to it; that part never changes.
Open your eyes. 600-650 seq reads and 500-550 seq writes is the best you can possibly see from 4 of those drives, regardless what you hook them up to.
you really trying to get on my nerves arent you?
i havent edited out anything.. still there.. why are you making sheet up?
you got beef with me? for whatever reason? i certainly dont have any with you.. pm me and lets go over any beef you got with me.. or if you prefer.. this thread will do..
1x @ 1210
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/2430/1x1210xa4.jpg
1x @ 1231 - ignore the cache spike whatever and thats more like 188MB/s since the marker is below the 200 line and not above it
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/6186/1x1231hd3.jpg
4x @ 1231 - ignore the cache spike whatever and thats more like 750/just below 750MB/s
http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/7743/4x1231vu0.jpg
its best to look at the whole picture not just numbers.. etc..
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NapalmV5
you really trying to get on my nerves arent you?
i havent edited out anything.. still there.. why are you making sheet up?
you got beef with me? for whatever reason? i certainly dont have any with you.. pm me and lets go over any beef you got with me.. or if you prefer.. this thread will do..
No beef at all, just wanted to clarify for all the people watching that a controller doesnt add 100+mb/s to seq reads. And I have never mentioned that you edited anything or that you were lieing. HDTach is a worthless benchmark that simply doesnt work for raid configs. Apparently nobody told you that over the past few years that has been a very well known fact. Run iometer 100% seq reads with your array filled up to the max by the test file for about 15-20minutes to see another view...
To illustrate my point:
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/9...chsucksqj2.jpg
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/h...pg/1/w1650.png
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^uhhh what were you trying to say? I got hypnotized by your friggen wallpaper!!! :)
Like anyone's going to pay attention to your graphs when you post that LOL
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LOL.... i can just barely see those graphs if i'm extremely focused :)
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People say that if you look really carefully, you will see a screenshot from IOmeter; I've been watching it for 10 mins and no screenshot :(
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how can we take One_Hertz seriously with kind of display :shakes:
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Yeah I am at a total loss here after seeing your numbers.
I just setup a EVGA X58 with 965, installed my Raid - ARC-1231ML and have 7x 32GB MTRON PRO's going.
I haven't run HDtach or HDtune yet as I really don't like those programs.
But I did run PCMark05 and PCMark Vantage on Vista Ultimate 32, fresh install.
Total stock settings with no over clock, this was my base line test, here I was I got. I have 2 SSD's on RMA which DVnation is taking it's sweet time with, so in the end it will be 9 SSD's.
PCMark05
HDD Score: 64,302
PCMark Vantage
HDD Test: 37,671
Everything is at defualt, including the ARC-1231ML for strip sizes etc. I haven't looked at firmware upgrades for some time, perhaps there is a new firmware.
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dinos22
what graphs :ROTF:
There's something that blocks the view, maybe these are graphs? Who cares? One_Hertz, give us a version w/out such obstacles.:D
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One_Hertz
No beef at all, just wanted to clarify for all the people watching that a controller doesnt add 100+mb/s to seq reads. And I have never mentioned that you edited anything or that you were lieing. HDTach is a worthless benchmark that simply doesnt work for raid configs. Apparently nobody told you that over the past few years that has been a very well known fact. Run iometer 100% seq reads with your array filled up to the max by the test file for about 15-20minutes to see another view...
To illustrate my point:
once again..
p serial px performing @ 40MB/s read higher than the r serial px
ive rmaed 2x Rxxxxxx (serial) px which were performing @ 148MB/s each
the controller didnt add any seq reads.. thats what 4x p serial px are performing at.. 750MB/s
hdtach = worthless.. fact? iometer is worse.. i cant believe even manufacturers use it..
ive used hdtach long enough and experienced performance long enough to be my preferred storage bench.. you trust iometer.. fine to each his own fetish..
the best way to bench storage is in pure mode.. filling up then benching.. thats like benching cpu @ full load
look.. we can argue till rapture whats the better benchmark or what way of doing it..
forget controllers/storage.. please post/upload your wallpaper up.. legs.. boobs.. daium!
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- thread title revised.. thank you IFMU
- 1st post revised
- 5805/3520 benches revised/added
asr5805
1 aug firmware/bios/drivers
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/248/57634lv7.jpg
8 dec firmware/bios/drivers
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/9206/65760kb0.jpg
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Nice benches NapalmV5 :D
I have a question though;
I've been using the Areca 1231ML for months now with just 2 Mtron 32GB SSDs on it, and its been fine as an OS disk since.
However I've recentry purchased a pair of velociraptors thinking I can put them onto the Areca, and use them as seconday drives.
Having now installed it and configured the Areca so that the raptors are in RAID0, I cannot find the array in windows, only the origional Mtron SSD array? Can the Areca only be configured to show one array in windows?
I'm thinking of buying the Adaptec 5805 so I can have all 4 drives sharing a hardware RAID controller, with 2 separate RAID0 arrays... is that possible on the 5805? Or it could be done on the Areca just that I suck at configuring it to show? :(
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eternal_fantasy
Nice benches NapalmV5 :D
I have a question though;
I've been using the Areca 1231ML for months now with just 2 Mtron 32GB SSDs on it, and its been fine as an OS disk since.
However I've recentry purchased a pair of velociraptors thinking I can put them onto the Areca, and use them as seconday drives.
Having now installed it and configured the Areca so that the raptors are in RAID0, I cannot find the array in windows, only the origional Mtron SSD array? Can the Areca only be configured to show one array in windows?
I'm thinking of buying the Adaptec 5805 so I can have all 4 drives sharing a hardware RAID controller, with 2 separate RAID0 arrays... is that possible on the 5805? Or it could be done on the Areca just that I suck at configuring it to show? :(
Thats a good point. I thought you could have more than 1 Raid on the ARC-1231ML.
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Buckeye
Thats a good point. I thought you could have more than 1 Raid on the ARC-1231ML.
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Originally Posted by
eternal_fantasy
Nice benches NapalmV5 :D
I have a question though;
I've been using the Areca 1231ML for months now with just 2 Mtron 32GB SSDs on it, and its been fine as an OS disk since.
However I've recentry purchased a pair of velociraptors thinking I can put them onto the Areca, and use them as seconday drives.
Having now installed it and configured the Areca so that the raptors are in RAID0, I cannot find the array in windows, only the origional Mtron SSD array? Can the Areca only be configured to show one array in windows?
I'm thinking of buying the Adaptec 5805 so I can have all 4 drives sharing a hardware RAID controller, with 2 separate RAID0 arrays... is that possible on the 5805? Or it could be done on the Areca just that I suck at configuring it to show? :(
thanks.. :)
you gotta create the partition thru disk management.. have you tried that yet?
multi arrays is not an issue on areca controllers.. performance is and that goes for any controller
ive created and tested (real world apps/progs not benchmarks) multi array on areca controllers.. performance aint great
optimal multi array: one controller for each array
but since 1231 is an 800mhz iop maybe it handles multi arrays better but youre not gonna get full potential/performance out of any of the array
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I have 2 SSDs and 2 raptors on my 2405 without affecting performance.
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dengyong
I have 2 SSDs and 2 raptors on my 2405 without affecting performance.
lol yeh in a perfect world..
without affecting performance: x16 pcie card 2x iops/2x cache
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Can we get that wallpaper without the graphs? Sorry for being off-topic, but it was already requested anyways. :p:
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Yukon Trooper
Can we get that wallpaper without the graphs? Sorry for being off-topic, but it was already requested anyways. :p:
ok fine lol. I'll upload when I get home from work; didn't want to be so horribly offtopic, but lots of people want it it seems. It is massive in size as well, I think it was like 2600x1625 or something along those lines. It is all the victoria's secret models together.
Enjoy 3600*2273:
http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?i...tmodelsjf8.jpg
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Thanks for the great benchies Napalm. Very Interesting stuff!
I have an adaptec 3405 raid controller and was thinking of getting the 5805, but after your benchies I am thinking of waiting. Your write speeds on the Areca card are out of this world. :up:
If you ever have some time, could you try some real world tests on each of the cards ( ie. 3GB file copy, or ISO creation, or maybe some Game loading times)? Im wondering if all those numbers really mean anything when doing any real work? :shrug:
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I have 2 SSDs and 2 raptors on my 2405 without affecting performance.
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NapalmV5
lol yeh in a perfect world..
without affecting performance: x16 pcie card 2x iops/2x cache
Since we're using hdtach, I benched both arrays simultaneously.
2x 60GB SSDs and 2x raptor 150 both in raid 0.
The OS is running on the SSDs with a few parts moved to the raptors.
Attachment 90858
!.83GB copy of vlited vista64, copied from the raptors to the SSDs. each block on the graph is 5 seconds.
Attachment 90859
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ok fine lol. I'll upload when I get home from work; didn't want to be so horribly offtopic, but lots of people want it it seems. It is massive in size as well, I think it was like 2600x1625 or something along those lines. It is all the victoria's secret models together.
Enjoy 3600*2273:
http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?i...tmodelsjf8.jpg
finally.. thanks One_Hertz :up:
delicious..
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Spoiler
Thanks for the great benchies Napalm. Very Interesting stuff!
I have an adaptec 3405 raid controller and was thinking of getting the 5805, but after your benchies I am thinking of waiting. Your write speeds on the Areca card are out of this world. :up:
If you ever have some time, could you try some real world tests on each of the cards ( ie. 3GB file copy, or ISO creation, or maybe some Game loading times)? Im wondering if all those numbers really mean anything when doing any real work? :shrug:
thanks.. and youre welcome :)
my nlited xp installs less than 3 minutes.. games load very fast unfortunately video cards are the slow ones to load now.. iso of xp created in a blink of an eye.. xp boot logo barely appears the bar doesnt get any chance to slide and bam! windows loads..
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Originally Posted by
dengyong
Since we're using hdtach, I benched both arrays simultaneously.
2x 60GB SSDs and 2x raptor 150 both in raid 0.
The OS is running on the SSDs with a few parts moved to the raptors.
Attachment 90858
!.83GB copy of vlited vista64, copied from the raptors to the SSDs. each block on the graph is 5 seconds.
Attachment 90859
would you mind posting hdtach of individual array ?
quite a bit of cpu utilization..
ive dealt mostly with 4x to 4x arrays.. on iop332/3..
do 4x to 4x and youll see how it chockes..
you shouldve gone for the 5405 at least.. dualcore 1.2ghz more ideal for multi arrays.. i know my 5805 512MB would go nice ^.. :D
when i get my other 2x px ssd.. ill do 2x 3x px arrays on the 5805 and see if it gets the best of the it..
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would you mind posting hdtach of individual array ?
quite a bit of cpu utilization..
ive dealt mostly with 4x to 4x arrays.. on iop332/3..
do 4x to 4x and youll see how it chockes..
you shouldve gone for the 5405 at least.. dualcore 1.2ghz more ideal for multi arrays.. i know my 5805 512MB would go nice ^.. :D
when i get my other 2x px ssd.. ill do 2x 3x px arrays on the 5805 and see if it gets the best of the it..
Run individually.
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thanks..
not bad.. well except for cpu uti.. not bad
oh you shouldve gotten the 5405
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NapalmV5
thanks..
not bad.. well except for cpu uti.. not bad
oh you shouldve gotten the 5405
For $200usd the 2405 is pretty good bang for the buck. :up:
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Thats a good point. I thought you could have more than 1 Raid on the ARC-1231ML.
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eternal_fantasy
Nice benches NapalmV5 :D
I have a question though;
I've been using the Areca 1231ML for months now with just 2 Mtron 32GB SSDs on it, and its been fine as an OS disk since.
However I've recentry purchased a pair of velociraptors thinking I can put them onto the Areca, and use them as seconday drives.
Having now installed it and configured the Areca so that the raptors are in RAID0, I cannot find the array in windows, only the origional Mtron SSD array? Can the Areca only be configured to show one array in windows?
I'm thinking of buying the Adaptec 5805 so I can have all 4 drives sharing a hardware RAID controller, with 2 separate RAID0 arrays... is that possible on the 5805? Or it could be done on the Areca just that I suck at configuring it to show? :(
name the volume sets differently and windows will pick up the arrays
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/8396/2xarrayjq2.jpg
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NapalmV5
Thanks for taking the time creating 2 arrays on the Areca! :up:
Did you create the RAID in Windows using the RAID utility or the one before Windows loads? I have set the second array with a different name, using the utility that loads before windows. The first option quick create array don't work as it says I've already have an array, and only able to create using the second option, where you don't get to choose what stripe size etc to set...
After setting them up, loading windows and looking for the new array in Computer/Disk Management, it's still missing and only show the origional array.. :confused: :brick:
Just wondering how you set the 2 arrays up and if Window actually sees them? Thanks!
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create the two arrays individually:
connect 2x.. quick create.. shut down.. disconnect from controller..
connect the other 2x.. quick create.. modify volume set like i have modified in the pic^.. shut down..
reconnect the first array.. once disk management starts it initializes both arrays
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/4118/27020956sh0.png
so in your case.. since you already had an array.. disconnect the 2x mtron array.. create the 2nd 2x raptor array.. modify the volume set.. reconnect the 2x mtron array.. disk management should pick up the 2x raptor and initialize/etc..
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i just got the other 2x.. and what do i get? 2x Rxxxx (serial) of course :(
such is my luck
http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/6882/97336334lk3.jpg
thus there aint gonna be no 6x thread
never a dull moment when building raid
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So Napalm,
what's the best affordable controller for 2-4 standard MLC drives in your opinion? Talking about 150/100 MB/s drives made by Compustocx (Samsung-based, very similar to OCZ core). Performance and fast initialization are important (the Adaptecs are too slow.. I know Highpoint is fast, what about Areca?)
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if affordable.. one and only arc1231.. however i dont know how the other areca controllers like 1222 and 1680 handle ssds
arc1231 no slower than arc1210 @ initialization.. just as fast
if 4x slc/mlc even ~200MB/s + arc1231 = perfect 4x raid combo
if 2x slc/mlc even ~200MB/s + acr1210 = great 2x raid combo
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So how fast is it exactly? Talk in seconds please :D
Results on the ICH10R are encouraging, with 2 128GB drives I get 260MB/s average read.
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@ Napalm
Try IOmeter with Workstation-Pattern, please.
Donīt run this bench less than 30 minutes.
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come on man iometer is not gonna show how fast these ssds are..
i can tell you guys that @ dvd shrink/nero the arc1231 and these 4x ssd are just as fast as 2x arc1210/8x adfd raptor
2x controllers+these 4x ssd are faster than 2x controllers+8x adfd raptor
1:2 read/write :cool:
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Sorry, but IOmeter is a professional tool by Intel for testing natural environments. The workstation-pattern show you a typical work-session and the typical write-debility by MLC-SSDs.
HDtune, HDtune etc. show only a seq. datarate for big files.
greetings from HWluxx (germany) ;)
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Originally Posted by
F.E.A.R.
Sorry, but IOmeter is a professional tool by Intel for testing natural environments. The workstation-pattern show you a typical work-session and the typical write-debility by MLC-SSDs.
HDtune, HDtune etc. show only a seq. datarate for big files.
greetings from HWluxx (germany) ;)
It's hopeless.
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The Benches are dissatisfying without IOmeter-Benches :rolleyes:
so there is no commendation for the right controller or SSD
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Originally Posted by
F.E.A.R.
Sorry, but IOmeter is a professional tool by Intel for testing natural environments. The workstation-pattern show you a typical work-session and the typical write-debility by MLC-SSDs.
HDtune, HDtune etc. show only a seq. datarate for big files.
greetings from HWluxx (germany) ;)
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Originally Posted by
One_Hertz
It's hopeless.
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Originally Posted by
F.E.A.R.
The Benches are dissatisfying without IOmeter-Benches :rolleyes:
so there is no commendation for the right controller or SSD
iometers so far from professional it aint funny
iometer does not bench neither ssd nor hdd correctly/properly
if you guys think/believe it does.. youre badly fooling yourselves
i certainly dont take any bench wholeheartedly
well nothing would satisfy everyone.. not appreciated.. "false benches".. you guys dont even believe what said regarding real world apps: dvd shrink/nero.. which are "natural environment" to me.. ive tested the io thread @ dvd shrink and nero just like i did @ 8x raptor.. if real world apps are not satisfactory enough.. what more you want from me.. what would be satisfactory..
few appreciate/believe/satisfied.. gimmie a good freaking reason i should waste hours and hours on iometer..
if only iometer is satisfactory to you guys.. why dont you guys acquire controllers and storage to bench iometer yourselves..
so please no more benches.. if you guys want me to test real world apps.. especially ones that have built in io thread which is not influenced by any other factor such as cpu/ram/etc.. im more than glad to apply
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First, take 1000MB (Crystaldiskmark) - not 100MB, because your write-cache is greater.
IOmeter is a fine benchmark-tool. HDtune an HDtach are inexpressive benches (only seq. data-rate).
Try HDtune Pro (File Benchmark), h2benchw and FC-Test
I will see more random write benches.
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AristoChat @ luxx asked for arc1231+512MB @ 1000MB crystaldiskmark
heres the response
http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/1565/512as7.png
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Which SSDs?
btw:
I know Aristo
He is a sophisticated user like me ;)
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the same 4x px.. if any different i wouldve stated so
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Could you tell us about the initialization time of the RAID cards ?
I know the ICH10R only takes 2-3 seconds before booting starts, but how long does this take with the 'real' RAID cards ?
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I can tell you for the Highpoint 3510/20 and Adaptec 5405/5805 because I own these.. Highpoint is really smooth and fast, 6-7 seconds in total I'd estimate. Adaptec is very slow, around 40s for Kernel Boot + another 7-8 seconds for Array init.
Areca is pretty fast too if I recall that boot video I saw correctly, 5-10s? Something like that.
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LOL on Adaptec boot times! Damn its the 21st century!! 40+sec
I can eat my lunch faster than that!
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^ thanks jcool
adaptecs boot times arent so bad vs areca 1230 + 1gb cache.. would take more than minute to initialize
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Hmm, that's a bit of a pity... I thought the Adaptec 5405 would be the ideal card to buy: SAS support (= 15k.6 support), fast (1.2 ghz Dualcore), relatively cheap and good software.
But boot time is also quite important to me, the ARC1231 and RR3520 are the better options in that perspective, with about the same performance.
Anyone knows how long the ARC1231 would take to boot in RAID0?
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Wait.. Napalm did you just say Arecas need longer for init when you pack them with lots of cache? Or just the 1230?
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Originally Posted by
FreeRider
Hmm, that's a bit of a pity... I thought the Adaptec 5405 would be the ideal card to buy: SAS support (= 15k.6 support), fast (1.2 ghz Dualcore), relatively cheap and good software.
But boot time is also quite important to me, the ARC1231 and RR3520 are the better options in that perspective, with about the same performance.
Anyone knows how long the ARC1231 would take to boot in RAID0?
i only use raid0.. i dont think it takes any longer/shorter @ other raid
1231 is pretty fast for its size/complexity
2x arc1210 + arc1231 all three at the same time boot faster than 1x 5805
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Originally Posted by
jcool
Wait.. Napalm did you just say Arecas need longer for init when you pack them with lots of cache? Or just the 1230?
just 1230.. i dont have it anymore but even @ original 256mb cache it probably took as long as 5805 or longer.. 1gb cache @ 1-1.5 minute.. though once booted things got fast lol
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@ Napalm
What says "Random Access" (HDtune 3.50)?
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@ F.E.A.R.
4x @ arc1231
http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/5453/readvf7.pnghttp://img67.imageshack.us/img67/2035/writedw5.png
they need to fix their write tests
after 64k the controller stays throttled @ max for 5+ minutes
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wow
that numbers are just amazing
I barely can achieve 120mb/s read with my 2x HDD-s
I want SSD :(
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Originally Posted by
<<HANNIBAL>>
wow
that numbers are just amazing
I barely can achieve 120mb/s read with my 2x HDD-s
I want SSD :(
dont worry you havent missed anything.. just crazy high prices.. 2009 will change that
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F.E.A.R.
@ Napalm
Which drives - Supertalent with Areca-Cache? (512k or 2GB?)
At write i see the typical write-deficiency of MLC. :(
Can you run read and write without cache, too? Please! ;)
ill continue here..
SLC.. its not the typical write-deficiency
"after 64k the controller stays throttled @ max for 5+ minutes"
heres seq read after random write finishes:
http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/1263/readjk6.png
that 0MB/s takes several minutes until the controller returns to normal
9.8MB/s max during those several minutes
file benchmark was all over the place @ ver 3.10.. that was fixed @ ver 3.50
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in response to how fast all these benches/ssds/controller boot windows
4x @ arc1231
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/204/1231re6.png
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Originally Posted by
NapalmV5
I'm a bit confused.
Does that boot timer start before or after the raid controller starts to initialize?
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probably after the controller finishes initializing if he's booting from the SSD aray
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Hm, i donīt believe 4,578s.???
With initializing-time of the ARC-1231ML he got more than 4,578s. ;)
@ Napalm
My next project.
http://www.forumdeluxx.de/forum/showthread.php?t=580981
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Originally Posted by
F.E.A.R.
Hm, i donīt believe 4,578s.???
With initializing-time of the ARC-1231ML he got more than 4,578s. ;)
after bios and array, boot times are fast.
much faster than with my velociraptor and that was without array.
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I got a decent boost from the December 8 firmware on my adaptec as well. I've written them and they say they still don't support SSD but are working with the manufacturers so I expect their numbers to eventually go way up.
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http://www.techworld.com/storage/new...?newsid=106903
Interesting I wonder if turning off READ cache would help. Don't want to touch write cache.
Edit: Access time was about the small file reads were crap.
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Originally Posted by
ewitte
Interesting I wonder if turning off READ cache would help. Don't want to touch write cache.
I turned off my read cache for exactly that reason :). Reads are plenty fast on ALL SSDs.
I'll probably be selling my 5405 when new SSD raid cards get released (the 1405 is non raid). Performance does indeed suffer quite a bit by using the controller versus onboard (of course without taking cache into account, which makes the controller useful even with a performance drop).
