Muslims disapprove of police dog

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...mans-hat.html#

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Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat

By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 12:15 PM on 01st July 2008

A postcard featuring a cute puppy sitting in a policeman's hat advertising a Scottish police force's new telephone number has sparked outrage from Muslims.

Tayside Police's new non-emergency phone number has prompted complaints from members of the Islamic community.

The choice of image on the Tayside Police cards - a black dog sitting in a police officer's hat - has now been raised with Chief Constable John Vine.

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/5715/92492513ep6.jpg

The advert has upset Muslims because dogs are considered ritually unclean and has sparked such anger that some shopkeepers in Dundee have refused to display the advert.

Dundee councillor Mohammed Asif said: 'My concern was that it's not welcomed by all communities, with the dog on the cards.

'It was probably a waste of resources going to these communities.

'They (the police) should have understood. Since then, the police have explained that it was an oversight on their part, and that if they'd seen it was going to cause upset they wouldn't have done it.'

Councillor Asif, who is a member of the Tayside Joint Police Board, said that the force had a diversity adviser and was generally very aware of such issues.

He raised the matter with Mr Vine at a meeting of the board.

The chief constable said he was unaware of the concerns and that the force had not sought to cause any upset but added he would look into the matter.

Councillor Asif said: 'People who have shops just won't put up the postcard. But the police have said to me that it was simply an oversight and they did not seek to offend or upset.'

Cards featuring police dog-in-training Rebel have been distributed to communities throughout the area to advertise the single number point of contact for non-emergency calls to the police.

Rebel has proved a popular recruit for Tayside Police after coming through the very first Lothian and Borders Police dog-breeding programme in February.

One of seven German Shepherd pups born in early December, he has now completed his course of inoculations, and is free to venture out onto the streets of Tayside.

A spokesman for Tayside Police said: 'Trainee police dog Rebel has proved extremely popular with children and adults since being introduced to the public, aged six weeks old, as Tayside Police's newest canine recruit.

'His incredible world-wide popularity - he has attracted record visitor numbers to our website - led us to believe Rebel could play a starring role in the promotion of our non-emergency number.

'We did not seek advice from the force's diversity adviser prior to publishing and distributing the postcards. That was an oversight and we apologise for any offence caused.'

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You know, it may just be shorter to list what DOESN'T offend Muslims. :rolleyes:

If you don't like something, ignore and move on.... there are too many :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::b anana:s/asshats to keep wasting time in life.

If they are offended by it, just ignore it... but causing unrest, outrage? Cmon!

Reminds me of the Diner Scene from Pulp Fiction.

"Mmmm Bacon is Gooood."

" A dog is a filthy animal it will eat it's own feces"

lol at Sam Jackson

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Originally Posted by KiD0M4N

If you don't like something, ignore and move on.... there are too many :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::b anana:s/asshats to keep wasting time in life.

If they are offended by it, just ignore it... but causing unrest, outrage? Cmon!

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That's not like them. They can't ignore it. I don't know why but they seem to be a rather easy to anger, even to extremes sometimes over perhaps some of the smallest things. I just don't get it :shakes:

Screw what the muslims think, The world isnt going to tiptoe around them and their ignorant views. You dont see Christians and Jews getting all upset over every little thing.

Seems harsh but its the truth.

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Originally Posted by Omastar

You know, it may just be shorter to list what DOESN'T offend Muslims. :rolleyes:

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I agree soooooooooooo much with this :clap::clap::clap: Not to mention that seeing all those governments and administrations being so careful, ready to any compromise to appease the Muslim community everytime these guys get ready to send a suicide bomber because they felt disrespected in their bloody soul, yeah seeing that is getting really more and more pathetic, and upsetting.

I mean in the name of Islam, some guys blow themselves up in the middle of markets in Iraq everyday, and another suicide bomber is then being sent to the funerals to kill the mourners...and we should respect this :confused: I know I know, the Muslim communities in Europe and in the States don't support such actions :D:D:D...or do they...(never heard they demonstrated anywhere in the world to condemn the horrors perpetrated by their cool brothers)...and oh, a puppy, what ??? on a picture in Scotland ??? how offending indeed :D

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Originally Posted by Omastar

You know, it may just be shorter to list what DOESN'T offend Muslims. :rolleyes:

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Ummmmm...mmmmmm!!! Can't think of a bloody thing. Even if you do end up listing something , they will still manage to say that it offends them in some queer retrospective manner!

can we just fly a plane over somewhere like iran, and drop millions of flyers with puppies on them?

:rofl:

Come on people you have to respect peoples beliefs............

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Originally Posted by Brave758

Come on people you have to respect peoples beliefs............

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no, not when they refer to pre-historical thinkings and pure hatred :shakes: Do these guys respect us? How do they like the western civilizations in general? Yeah they like living here, in Europe or in the States, but how do they respect us? how :confused:

I dont respect any religions beliefs. They are all just as stupid as one another.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o <---- this sums it up

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Originally Posted by Scubar

I dont respect any religions beliefs. They are all just as stupid as one another.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o <---- this sums it up

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same feelings here, I like your video, thanks :)

watching that one now, brilliant:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyWEBbFwU1o&NR=1

Oh lawd, I see big things happening this thread :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Brave758

Come on people you have to respect peoples beliefs............

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I have to? Please don't tell others how to think. But alright, I'll respect people's beliefs if they don't interfere with my life. But they often do.

You know, I believe you're a toothless horny sheep with a peanut butter fetish. Now respect my belief. See.

Maybe Toothless horny sheep with PB fetish ....mmmmm

I believe in most european countries dog is considered as 1st sidekick of human. Now why muslims do not respect what was here before they came along? religion makes people stupid and ignorant

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Originally Posted by ex2cib

can we just fly a plane over somewhere like iran, and drop millions of flyers with puppies on them?

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Drop pig fat on them all...

No one paid these extremists any attention till 9/11 we should just go back to ingoring them, I don't mean any offense to anyone here, but this is getting out of hand when something as common as a picture of of puppy offends someone.

Lets face it. For the most part the Muslim communities look down on the Police forces, and the Police look down on them in the UK. Theres exceptions.

Screw them. If you don't like it, GTFO.

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Originally Posted by fart_plume

No one paid these extremists any attention till 9/11 we should just go back to ingoring them, I don't mean any offense to anyone here, but this is getting out of hand when something as common as a picture of of puppy offends someone.

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absolutely agree on that.It's about time the western world should definitely go back to ignoring them, just like before 9/11...(and take action when necessary) without the need to mention "them" every two days...which makes them feel important and encourage their fanatic behavior and claims, especially when governments make the huge mistake of taking any of their ridiculous and retarded claims into account.

Dogs are "ritually unclean"? What the hell does that even mean?

Muslims like this are mentally unclean that much is clear.

alright.

btw got this from stevil a while back http://www.youtube.com/user/patcondell

I am thinking "Bacon Railgun" might be the ultimate weapon,, as shooting puppies out of a cannon seems inhumane...

I guess they don't realize that human beings are one of the filthiest creatures on the planet, we have 10,000 different organisms on our skin at any one time that many more in our gut, and if you were to kill all these organisms to get clean, it would kill you.

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Originally Posted by biohead

I have to? Please don't tell others how to think. But alright, I'll respect people's beliefs if they don't interfere with my life. But they often do.

You know, I believe you're a toothless horny sheep with a peanut butter fetish. Now respect my belief. See.

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Careful, Riptide might respect that belief. :P

another sign of respect from the Muslim world, that's just happened:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7485022.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7485062.stm
Bulldozer rampage in Jerusalem

BBC witness:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/7485122.stm

4 killed, 45 wounded...wow...I'm sure they can do better...what about a schoolyard next time? :mad: forgot, they already done that...but still I do trust them for being imaginative when it comes to the slaughter of civilians...:shocked:

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Originally Posted by MotF Bane

Careful, Riptide might respect that belief. :P

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:p: Ya whatever.

Muslims will destroy Europe, at least we have Mex here , good people. :)

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Originally Posted by Brave758

Come on people you have to respect peoples beliefs............

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I'll respect people's beliefs all right, but they can get bent on stuff like this tbh.

If not, I'm gonna start complaining about the arabic music for hours on end, driving down the street whenever someone gets married claxoning all the way into the next village and so on and so forth.

That threads upon MY beliefs.

I believe that Music is privat and should be kept that so you don't disturb other people

I believe claxon's (horns) on cars should only be used when the traffic mandates it, not when someone weds.

I could go on but.... you get the picture.


Mind you, I'm no racist or anything, they just pee me off with stuff like this. such trivial stuff

The problem is that now that they have the world's attention focused on them , they are going to complain about every little thing. Not realizing it is beginning to piss people off that they are whining about every little thing.

Gotta love self righteousness & the media...

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Originally Posted by Logos4

another sign of respect from the Muslim world, that's just happened:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7485022.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7485062.stm
Bulldozer rampage in Jerusalem

BBC witness:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/7485122.stm

4 killed, 45 wounded...wow...I'm sure they can do better...what about a schoolyard next time? :mad: forgot, they already done that...but still I do trust them for being imaginative when it comes to the slaughter of civilians...:shocked:

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Wow you are the only Frenchy I know that feels that way. :up:

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Originally Posted by biohead

I have to? Please don't tell others how to think. But alright, I'll respect people's beliefs if they don't interfere with my life. But they often do.

You know, I believe you're a toothless horny sheep with a peanut butter fetish. Now respect my belief. See.

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Mate its one thing to diss the muslims but leave the sheep out of this. or ill be calling jehad on your arse :rofl:

I was being sarcastic in the first post, but trying to keep it clean lost its edge sorry

Seems like you people care.........

Personally I don't give a crap. If they don't like dogs, so be it.

This is the same crap why our culture is hated everywhere.

Same thing happened with Japan, why was the U.S. giving so much crap about whale hunting? Guess what? The Japanese responded: Well, they kill millions of turkeys, we don't care about what they eat or kill.......

Exactly!

People, stop caring about stupid little things, a dog is a dog and if they don't like 'em? I'm perfectly fine with it.

I'm pretty sure most of us wouldn't like to own a Camel, so foff.

Ya agreed. It seems to me this is a dangerous thread why should the many be tarnished by the few.

My thinking on this is that when you are one religion with strong beliefs and ways of living and you move into another country that is totally different you accept what is and what has always been in your dealings with others.
Like that expression:" When in Rome do as the Romans do"
If I were to move to Saudi Arabia I would expect to publically obey their laws and customs and so I think that when people in this case move to Scotland they should accept the local customs not try to change them.
This doesn't mean that Muslim people living in Scotland have to own dogs of their own, but rather to accept the fact that in that country the custom is that dogs are beloved pets.
Flexibility and understanding, without denying ones own beliefs is the answer.

Looks like Scotland needs to be liberated. :cool: Bring back Braveheart.!

yah, I don't really care if they like dogs or not. it's their choice to own one or not.

it's the fact that they expect everything to be changed to fit their previous viewpoint. no one is asking them to own and take care of a pet dog. it's a dog on a post card, if they don't want to display the card fine, just don't go make a public issue out of it and expect the entire community or country to bend to their terms.

as already said, if they want to live in an area, they need to adapt to it, instead of trying to change it to fit their previous area. adapt.

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Originally Posted by [XC] riptide

Looks like Scotland needs to be liberated. :cool: Bring back Braveheart.!

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Somehow, from the Scots that I have met, I get the feeling that they won't bend over and say help yourself.
They seem to be a strong willed people and to be blunt, in an alley fight I wouldn't worry if I had a Scot watching my back.;)

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Originally Posted by biohead

alright.

btw got this from stevil a while back http://www.youtube.com/user/patcondell

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I dont remember that.

Crap, i'm getting old :eek:

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Originally Posted by [XC] riptide

Looks like Scotland needs to be liberated. :cool: Bring back Braveheart.!

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William Wallace was, undoubtedly, the man.

This is a weird thread.

Keeping dogs as pets (i.e. to have emotions for them and keep them in the house) is forbidden (haraam) in Islam. But keeping dogs around to protect property or for work/hunting is not.

Muslims don't hate dogs. Hell they don't hate pigs for that matter. They are just animals considered to be unclean.

Anyway, looks like this was bogus:
only people getting worked up are the non-Muslims

I'm getting sick of the hidden racism here, I really am.

A dog is unclean to their religion.

Simple fact.

It's the same as using a figure nailed on a cross upside down in some add, and wanting to distribute it through a Church.

Wow, their offended? No :banana::banana::banana::banana:...

Everyone posting the bull about, what would not offend them, you're showing you do not know anything about the subject and you're just trying to fit in with current trend it's ok to pick on Muslims because some extremists have taken up arms. You know, the protestant and catholics in Ireland know all to well religion and hate goes well together, in a very twisted and actually unfaithfull way. Learn from them, religion isn't what makes a man, man is what gives birth and direction to a religion ( though the religious might find that blasphemy lol ).

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Originally Posted by Marvin_The_Martian

I'm getting sick of the hidden racism here, I really am.

A dog is unclean to their religion.

Simple fact.

It's the same as using a figure nailed on a cross upside down in some add, and wanting to distribute it through a Church.

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no it isn't. everyone has seen commercials and posters in their lives that were gross. but instead of whining we just move on.

but there is this little annoying group of naggers that always has to be offended of everything. ... sissies. they just can't be taken seriously after a while.

maybe i'm offended too, by young girls wearing kerchiefs and influencing our kids with their borked up attitudes. but you don't hear me complaining all day long.

Der Khan I actually think their is a lil group of naggers trying to blow everything like this out of proportion. It already been established the OP was wrong, it wasn't the Muslims being upset.

Which is exactly what I'm afraid of. Things like this add up, you read it once doesn't matter twice still ok but if you're reading and hearing about this all the time it will start to become true even when it isn't.


Fear/Hate mongering :down:

Edit: You trying to compare something which is religiously unclean to something which is only 'gross' is a bad one to.

Gross would be a bath tube full with fecies. Or would you think a picture of Jezus, crussified and being taken up the ... by Satan to be just.. gross?

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Originally Posted by Marvin_The_Martian

Der Khan I actually think their is a lil group of naggers trying to blow everything like this out of proportion. It already been established the OP was wrong, it wasn't the Muslims being upset.

Which is exactly what I'm afraid of. Things like this add up, you read it once doesn't matter twice still ok but if you're reading and hearing about this all the time it will start to become true even when it isn't.


Fear/Hate mongering :down:

Edit: You trying to compare something which is religiously unclean to something which is only 'gross' is a bad one to.

Gross would be a bath tube full with fecies. Or would you think a picture of Jezus, crussified and being taken up the ... by Satan to be just.. gross?

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Couple points to consider. The OP wasn't wrong because they were just reporting a news piece. The news piece had it wrong. Also, a tub of crap would definitely rank higher on the "Islam unclean scale" than a dog or even a pig. Unclean does not mean evil or inherently wrong, it means not clean, i.e. dirty or gross.

In Islam, the pig and dog are not to be harmed or hated because they are creatures made by Allah and should be respected and admired like any of Allah's creations. They're not evil or blasphemous, just dirty and gross and therefore not to be kept in close quarters with humans. No different than Judaism and the law against eating pigs. And actually there's good reason for that, because pigs pass on a fair number of disease and illness to humans.

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Originally Posted by hawkeyefan

Couple points to consider. The OP wasn't wrong because they were just reporting a news piece. The news piece had it wrong. Also, a tub of crap would definitely rank higher on the "Islam unclean scale" than a dog or even a pig. Unclean does not mean evil or inherently wrong, it means not clean, i.e. dirty or gross.

In Islam, the pig and dog are not to be harmed or hated because they are creatures made by Allah and should be respected and admired like any of Allah's creations. They're not evil or blasphemous, just dirty and gross and therefore not to be kept in close quarters with humans. No different than Judaism and the law against eating pigs. And actually there's good reason for that, because pigs pass on a fair number of disease and illness to humans.

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True, it was the news article but that wasn't really the point. Not the origin but the subject of the mistake.

I knew that dogs and pigs are not evil, where did I state otherwise? I only said they are considerd unclean to their religion. If Muslims were to be outraged it would not have been because it where a gross picture, but because an aspect of their religion is disregarded.

http://file019a.bebo.com/5/original/...228378015o.jpg
:)

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Originally Posted by Marvin_The_Martian

Edit: You trying to compare something which is religiously unclean to something which is only 'gross' is a bad one to.

Gross would be a bath tube full with fecies. Or would you think a picture of Jezus, crussified and being taken up the ... by Satan to be just.. gross?

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i mean gross in terms of a bath tube full with fecies. :D

i mean cmon! i too wouldn't consider dogs to be clean animals. and i also might think twice before letting a dog sit in my hat. but i'm not offended by a stupid poster.

and the comparison with jesus is just way off. for a muslim dogs are not more unclean than pigs. but how is it then that theres no muslim outrage about ham advertisement?

it's not like i don't respect islam. and i don't believe that they all are a bunch of whiners. but there is a very vocal group of idiots among them. and the muslim community isn't producing enough positive publicity to compensate for that. they way i see it, i am being way more tolerant than they are. and i'm getting tired of it. reminds me of jesse jackson. after a while you just don't listen anymore.

Anyone voting BNP?
http://www.bnp.org.uk/sms-news-texts/ ---- Sounds too good to be true.

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Originally Posted by Marvin_The_Martian

True, it was the news article but that wasn't really the point. Not the origin but the subject of the mistake.

I knew that dogs and pigs are not evil, where did I state otherwise? I only said they are considerd unclean to their religion. If Muslims were to be outraged it would not have been because it where a gross picture, but because an aspect of their religion is disregarded.

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You did it twice, through horrible analogies.

Passing out a card with a photo of a dog to businesses throughout an entire community is not analogous to passing out upside-down crosses at a Christian church.

Passing out a card with a photo of a dog to businesses is not analogous to tubs full of crap or replacing Jesus with Satan or whatever you were getting at there.

Muslims don't keep dogs in their own homes due to a rule of their religion (NOT a belief that dogs are fundamentally evil!). Muslims do not give a crap if YOU have a dog or keep it in your own home. Muslims are not offended by pictures of dogs, nor by other people owning dogs. Just don't expect some of your Muslim friends to pet your dog ;)

The point you are completely whiffing on is that nobody has a right to not be offended. Being offended by things you don't like is just a part of life. Especially when you choose to emigrate to a country full of things you don't like, which is already home to millions of people doing things that offend your religion/person/way of life. See...when you move to Britain and it's full of dogs, you don't get to complain and whine and piss and moan about the culture allowing dogs because you are offended by them. On the flipside, Britons have no obligation to accommodate or observe the religious beliefs or practices of any religious group, Muslims included. Which is why the British courts have forced Muslim women to uncover their faces in a case or two that involved workplace attire.

Having a religious belief or rule that pertains to yourself as a practitioner does not give a person or group license to foist those beliefs, limitations or rules on any other person or group. Especially not against those who do not hold your own belief system. i.e., I get to disregard the religious sensibilities of anyone from any religion. I do not care if something I do offends someone for religious reasons. Not my belief = not my problem. This is where the dog picture analogies you used went all wrong. Intentionally acting against people with the intention of offending them is wrong. Unintentionally offending them is not, and you can't expect an entire culture to modify its behavior to keep a small minority of citizens from being offended by something.

A lot of the friction and frustration stems from the fact that most Muslim immigrants are coming from nations whose laws are governed (at least to some degree) by Shari'ah. The Westerners want the Muslims to conform to the way of life of the culture they have adopted, while the Muslim communities are trying to find the happy medium between integration and observing their religion as they see fit.

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Originally Posted by kingzl3y

Anyone voting BNP?
http://www.bnp.org.uk/sms-news-texts/ ---- Sounds too good to be true.

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hmm, dunno. i think the nationalist parties are all the same. no matter in which country.

demagogues. nothing more.

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Originally Posted by Omastar

You know, it may just be shorter to list what DOESN'T offend Muslims. :rolleyes:

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What doesn't offend them: themselves.

List done. :up:

Duke has a plan...

http://www.bushbeans.com/jaynduke/ads.php

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/1162/72573912dw9.jpg

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Originally Posted by kingzl3y

Anyone voting BNP?
http://www.bnp.org.uk/sms-news-texts/ ---- Sounds too good to be true.

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BNP... lol bunch of rascists for the working class. Meh.

Remember there was a show a while back on Pitbulls in the UK? There was some Irish mob that was breeding pitbulls & their main clientèle were based in Birmingham & you guessed it, they were muslims. :P I'm muslim, I've owned dogs myself, so have family members. This was one small case in Scotland where some muppet decides to kick up a stink & people on here start going on about dropping stuff on Iran? What's Iran got to do with a small group of Muslims in Scotland crying about a dog on a leaflet!?!?!

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Originally Posted by Der_KHAN

i mean gross in terms of a bath tube full with fecies. :D

i mean cmon! i too wouldn't consider dogs to be clean animals. and i also might think twice before letting a dog sit in my hat. but i'm not offended by a stupid poster.

and the comparison with jesus is just way off. for a muslim dogs are not more unclean than pigs. but how is it then that theres no muslim outrage about ham advertisement?

it's not like i don't respect islam. and i don't believe that they all are a bunch of whiners. but there is a very vocal group of idiots among them. and the muslim community isn't producing enough positive publicity to compensate for that. they way i see it, i am being way more tolerant than they are. and i'm getting tired of it. reminds me of jesse jackson. after a while you just don't listen anymore.

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True on the publicity. On yes I overdid it with the analogies but with a reason.

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Originally Posted by hawkeyefan

You did it twice, through horrible analogies.

Passing out a card with a photo of a dog to businesses throughout an entire community is not analogous to passing out upside-down crosses at a Christian church.

Passing out a card with a photo of a dog to businesses is not analogous to tubs full of crap or replacing Jesus with Satan or whatever you were getting at there.

Muslims don't keep dogs in their own homes due to a rule of their religion (NOT a belief that dogs are fundamentally evil!). Muslims do not give a crap if YOU have a dog or keep it in your own home. Muslims are not offended by pictures of dogs, nor by other people owning dogs. Just don't expect some of your Muslim friends to pet your dog ;)

The point you are completely whiffing on is that nobody has a right to not be offended. Being offended by things you don't like is just a part of life. Especially when you choose to emigrate to a country full of things you don't like, which is already home to millions of people doing things that offend your religion/person/way of life. See...when you move to Britain and it's full of dogs, you don't get to complain and whine and piss and moan about the culture allowing dogs because you are offended by them. On the flipside, Britons have no obligation to accommodate or observe the religious beliefs or practices of any religious group, Muslims included. Which is why the British courts have forced Muslim women to uncover their faces in a case or two that involved workplace attire.

Having a religious belief or rule that pertains to yourself as a practitioner does not give a person or group license to foist those beliefs, limitations or rules on any other person or group. Especially not against those who do not hold your own belief system. i.e., I get to disregard the religious sensibilities of anyone from any religion. I do not care if something I do offends someone for religious reasons. Not my belief = not my problem. This is where the dog picture analogies you used went all wrong. Intentionally acting against people with the intention of offending them is wrong. Unintentionally offending them is not, and you can't expect an entire culture to modify its behavior to keep a small minority of citizens from being offended by something.

A lot of the friction and frustration stems from the fact that most Muslim immigrants are coming from nations whose laws are governed (at least to some degree) by Shari'ah. The Westerners want the Muslims to conform to the way of life of the culture they have adopted, while the Muslim communities are trying to find the happy medium between integration and observing their religion as they see fit.

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The perception at that time, was that there might have been a case off intentionally offending them by neglect? In which case, the taken offense would in my opinion be justified. But since neither is the case, there was no offense taken and the was no intent to offend there actually is no subject.

I agree with the sentiment in your post. I think the UK's main problem has always been they do not enforce the spreading of immigrants throughout your population, they allow them to flock together which offcourse kind off kills the integration process. Atleast I always thought that be a main reason for integration to fail.

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Originally Posted by Marvin_The_Martian

Gross would be a bath tube full with fecies. Or would you think a picture of Jezus, crussified and being taken up the ... by Satan to be just.. gross?

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Marvin your from the netherlands, so you speak dutch right? (Dunno if you have like german speaking hollanders there like we do in belgium or french only bla bla bla)

if so take a look at this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcCOk...eature=related

The core/essence of it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ID4XHkksZjI

Didn't I say I agreed with his sentiment :)

And yes, seeing I was born here almost 30 years ago I did manage to pick up the language :p

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Originally Posted by Entity_Razer

Marvin your from the netherlands, so you speak dutch right? (Dunno if you have like german speaking hollanders there like we do in belgium or french only bla bla bla)

if so take a look at this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcCOk...eature=related

The core/essence of it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ID4XHkksZjI

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lol, what's that about? :D

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Originally Posted by Der_KHAN

lol, what's that about? :D

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Three dumb broads - muslims - think they're in a Gotcha! situation when they ask Hans Teeuwen, a well known comedian around here, to come forward and explain why he offends them. Then he blows them away (with the addience applauding) with a few solid arguments, such as that we're living in a free society and you develop yourself to not be offended all the time. Kinda like: why do I offend you? You tell me!
The chicks don't understand anything of what he's saying and continue asking the same question. They just don't have a clue. Like most.

I can translate it if thy wishes to.

This is RACISM.

A. You are making that up.
B. You smell wurse.
C. I hear ya **** is a ho who been taken by the whole town, I didn't make it up I swear.

:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by CandymanCan

They think dogs are nasty ? I heared some muslims bathe in Cow or Camel piss. Im not making that up.

You ever walked by one of them ? They smell horribly

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ROFL :ROTF: :rolleyes: :shrug:

Sure laugh about it.. I'm hoping he has a laugh thinking about his moma and the rest of the town. You know I hear she doesn't wash herself after each one, so I think whoever is in the back of the line isn't going to enjoy himself. Though what I also heard, is that their not in it for the joy, how could they if she so ugly they have to put a bag over her head to not get to scared of getting desease through her.

So.. enough insults without foundation going around already you think?

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Originally Posted by Brave758

Come on people you have to respect peoples beliefs............

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People are entitled to their own beliefs, They are NOT entitled to try to impose them on others.

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Originally Posted by Marvin_The_Martian

Sure laugh about it.. I'm hoping he has a laugh thinking about his moma and the rest of the town. You know I hear she doesn't wash herself after each one, so I think whoever is in the back of the line isn't going to enjoy himself. Though what I also heard, is that their not in it for the joy, how could they if she so ugly they have to put a bag over her head to not get to scared of getting desease through her.

So.. enough insults without foundation going around already you think?

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Well, your momma is an alien. And she be banging CLingons. Thats pretty f'ed up isn't it? :D:D

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Originally Posted by [XC] riptide

Well, your momma is an alien. And she be banging CLingons. Thats pretty f'ed up isn't it? :D:D

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Get out the thetan cleansing!! :shocked:

Well yes, I had that coming :D

Btw, it's Klingons iirc ;)

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Originally Posted by Marvin_The_Martian

Well yes, I had that coming :D

Btw, it's Klingons iirc ;)

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Baah. who cares. You understood what i meant, and that is what matters. Martian.

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Originally Posted by CandymanCan

They think dogs are nasty ? I heared some muslims bathe in Cow or Camel piss. Im not making that up.

You ever walked by one of them ? They smell horribly

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LOL, n1 :ROTF:

take a look at this guys, I just can't believe it:
http://translate.google.com/translat...hl=en&ie=UTF-8

Why not? Isn't the present judicial system not based on on the Christian religion, though offcourse it got changed because the percentage of people who actually practise the religion and therefore feel compelled to live by it's rules, deminished? Why is it the Christian values should be part of a judicial system but not any other religion, especially if you consider the number of practisioners of such a religion?

I don't want Islamic law to be put into our judicial system as is, but I'm convinced some off the spirit will be reflected in it and I can look at that fact and don't feel threatend by it. Why can't you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separat...urch_and_state :horse:

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Originally Posted by MikeB12

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separat...urch_and_state :horse:

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It's not a dead horse, most off the legal systems around the world have their origins in a religious believe. The ten commandments anyone?

Talking about the current seperation between Church and State doesn't mean the origin has changed does it?

If you get a tremendous inflow off people from a diffrent religion, history will show you laws did change.

The thing is now, the religious values differ so much from eachother there is almost no way to get a middle ground. What that article described, islamic based mediation courts without real justicial power, is already in place and I think for a good reason. In their religion, thing which we accept as perfectly normal can be blasphemy.

This whole talk about, they came here, they have to adapt to us 100% and we don't have to change a bit saddens me because things don't work that way. You only create more fear and hate by not recognizing history and human nature.

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Originally Posted by MikeB12

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separat...urch_and_state :horse:

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well done :clap:

@ Marvin: I'd just like the western world to remain...hmm...western if you don't mind, whatever remains from Christianity or Judaism in our laic institutions. This is seriously starting to be about to know who we are and what we want, and I'm not ready to compromise with that (doesn't mean I support the French national front or the British national party OK ? :D)

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well done :clap:

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You should read the post above yours and then respond, would be appriciated by me atleast.

Though on the other hand, if you just wanted to post your side and that's it, don't even bother to read my post as it requires you to use that grey mass before you press that reply button.

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You should read the post above yours and then respond, would be appriciated by me atleast.

Though on the other hand, if you just wanted to post your side and that's it, don't even bother to read my post as it requires you to use that grey mass before you press that reply button.

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I edited my post while you were posting, so read it. As to what the gray mass has to tell you...well, I let you wonder :censored:

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Originally Posted by Logos4

I'd just like the western world to remain...hmm...western

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me too. now does that make me xenophobic?

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Originally Posted by Logos4

I edited my post while you were posting, so read it. As to what the gray mass has to tell you...well, I let you wonder :censored:

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me too. now does that make me xenophobic?

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About keeping the West uhm ' Western '..

What aspects of western society are you trying to preserve? Because the argument is also used by neo nationalists who blame off of societies problems on immigrants ( they take all the jobs is a good example ).

Allot off aspects from our so called Western society already originated on other continents, think about what food is actually native to your country?

Once you can understand that through the simple food example, it's not a big leap to the fact that in all societies there are good and bad sides. Maybe we shouldn't be trying to keep it 'Western' but maybe we should try and take all our good sides and who knows maybe even some off theirs and loose all our bad sides? Like prejudice for example.

Logos my comments might seem personal towards you, their not but you brought this up so I got to adress you. But this isn't something I can blame you or any single person on their own for that matter. It's just how people work, our history shows it and if you're honest, that faint voice you hear in your head also knows it.

Human nature, and with that I mean we're just a part of nature in all it's aspects and we represent all those aspects at the same time.

@Der Khan ( specificly )

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xenofobia (f)
n. xenophobia, fear of strangers

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Idk, you haven't posted your reasons for wanting to keep it 'Western'. If it's out off fear, yeah you are xenophobic. If it's not out of fear it can't be xenofobia.

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Originally Posted by CandymanCan

I was wrong about the muslims and the cow piss.

Its the Hindu's that do that i looked it up, they worship cows and catch and drink its urine mmm mmm good.

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Post the link, I really am interested to read about them drinking the cow urine.

I think you got it wrong again, since they consider the cow holy, even the cow's ficies and urine is considerd holy. But I can't find any reference myself about them drinking it? I'm hoping you're not posting crap again, as that would really destroy your creditability.

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Post the link, I really am interested to read about them drinking the cow urine.

I think you got it wrong again, since they consider the cow holy, even the cow's ficies and urine is considerd holy. But I can't find any reference myself about them drinking it? I'm hoping you're not posting crap again, as that would really destroy your creditability.

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I poked around on google for a couple minutes.

First link I read: http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache...ient=firefox-a

Second link I skimmed (big essay): http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache...ient=firefox-a

Seems there's degrees to this issue, just like anything else.

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Originally Posted by Omastar

You know, it may just be shorter to list what DOESN'T offend Muslims. :rolleyes:

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lol you can put dirt on that list...

edit: people these days can be offended by anything I can't think of one thing that doesn't offend one group or another.

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Originally Posted by STEvil

I poked around on google for a couple minutes.

First link I read: http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache...ient=firefox-a

Second link I skimmed (big essay): http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache...ient=firefox-a

Seems there's degrees to this issue, just like anything else.

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Originally Posted by CandymanCan

I never post crap, its true. I dont have to show you anything as stevil already looked it up, if your so interested in it just look it up yourself.

Iv seen this on TV also on the discovery channel. Its actually how i heared about it


Btw stevil that 2nd link is funny, all i see is piss sh! t, crap, urine all highlighted lol

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Somehow, I know for a fact you did not hear on the Discovery Channel that Hindu's drink cow urine or anything alike.

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Simply mentioning Hinduism conjures up the idea of "drinking cow urine and eating/praying to cow feces" for other non Hindus (at least the ones I've met). I've never heard of this concept, and have never known anyone that practices this (in India and outside of India). Simply asking this question to all the Hindus that I know makes them feel disgusted and appalled.

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And I strongly support this notion, you can find anything being mentioned on the internet, doesn't mean it's true. That's aimed at Stevil btw.

If Hindu's would do this, there would be more to find about it through official channels. It's just one off those tales which got spread by some short sighten xenophobic sob, and which others xenophobic sob's thought to be so funny it's being kept alive by spreading it like this through forums and other means by aforementioned sob's who do nothing then throwing flamebait around...

If you know what I mean ;)

Andrew Zimmermann "Bizarre Foods" had a urine food one time.. but I think it was eggs in horse urine, and it was in India I believe...
Only reason I remembered it was because my International Marketing Prof in college loved to freak the class out with bizarre food stories, and that was one of his too, along with those duck eggs that are like a 21 day old chick inside, but that was from Vietnam.... actually both stories were pretty gross...

I have no idea if the horse urine/egg bizarre food thing had anything to do with Hindu though... just India...

way off topic now, but have yall ever heard of urine therapy....
could you imagine going to some quack and having him say
"ok, I'm going to prescribe drinking a glass of urine BID"...
Noooo! I'd be like "I want my money back, you freak!"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urine_therapy