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I think most of us Die Hard AMD FANMEN prolly figure that when the home version of Barcy hits... C2D will still be kickin our asses in SuperPi.
But... DO WE CARE? Hell NO! :D
It's gonna be close in the things that are important to us... like our hearts.
Can I get an Amen?
Bruno
Honestly, in the real world, where most of us use our computers from day to day, SuperPi means ****-all. Barcelona and Phenom mean two things-continued AM2 socket support/Socket F support and a more competitive quadcore market. At the end of the day, the average user will pick the cheaper of the two, which is likely to be AMD, and the power user will most likely pick whatever is faster at the time, which is God knows what right now, with the BIOS workarounds and such...
I'm looking at Barcelona for my next rig, cause I'm tired of Intel's prices, motherboard prices, and inability to upgrade for very long on a board. I purchased my wife a Pentium D 820 last year, and this year I couldn't put a Conroe on it because of "VRM incompatibilities". Now they're telling me I can't use the old processors with the new chipset. That in my eyes is a structured attempt to screw us out of money. This rig will accept Phenom when it comes out (and will do so) and I'm replacing hers with a dually setup for myself that will be used for CAD, running a server and my own personal gaming system all in one, for less cost than anything near equivalent on the intel side.
At the end of the day, I am loyal to AMD cause they offer competitive performance at price point. When they stop being fast at day-to-day things, and I can tell a difference on the desktop, I may or may not move. I am perfectly satisfied with the performance that I'm getting.
Especially when it costs as much as half of what the intel offering is.
Well said :up:
i support AMD cause its innovative , and i like this attitude
I'm for whoever makes the machine with the most computational power as thats where my interests lie.
I will say that there's no one out there who wishes AMD more success with this than I do as 2 strong companies benefit us all.
You pretty much echoed my feelings on the matter. Personally, I think we should all feel this way. That may seem shelfish and non commital on my part, but the way I see it, the only way to keep Intel in line is to have a stong AMD. Without that Intel will jack up prices like you wont believe. Its happend too many times in the past to think otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
As unXtreme as the term 'Bang for Buck' is, I share your sentiments.Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Kayin
Many are driven by the buck. I sure know I'm one of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by VSpecII
I'm thinkin that I don't have software to take advantage of my Opty 165 dual core. Why the hell would I want a quad?
I just wanna see AMD do well. And I think that they ARE compared to slow-ass Xeon server types. Bread and Butter Baby! Keep it alive and keep the monoply at bay.
I still haven't heard an, "AMEN"
Dave supports my feelings :D
But yeah, someone shout at me: Price! :D
How 'bout Effective Pricing?
I just like AMD, i have had some bad experiences with INtel no just product but with some Sales reps and RMA department, so it sorta put me off them , but yeah Super Pi means jack :banana::banana::banana::banana: in everyday use, unless your right into extreme overclocking there is no point, even then if you get a record, you will still be a nobody in 12 months time. But each to there own if you like Super Pi or benchmarking go for it, i used to be into it and it was fun, but it doesnt make me money so i got over it pretty fast. And i know alot of gamers that have the best intel chip but it doesnt make them game any better and i can still kick there ass, LOL. Lets hope AMD makes it thru this hard patch and sticks around. If they dont then the market will be :banana::banana::banana::banana:ed.
I don't always use Intel. I don't particularly like their products. My P4-520 was a disastrous chip and put me off quite a bit.
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Originally Posted by Movieman
Yeah, well, when you're working 70 hour weeks for just that AMD rig, I think it's pretty Xtreme. Last I checked, this wasn't about who's Xtremely rich, but who's Xtremely good. Rich I am not. Good, I have been since I started.Quote:
As unXtreme as the term 'Bang for Buck' is, I share your sentiments.
However, when I started, it was in the 1700 JIUHB days (in overclocking, had been fixing them since 98-99) and we could afford to get them a few at a time and screw around till we found what we wanted. Chips were 40 bucks, my board was 35 (Shuttle AN35N Ultra, anyone?) and el-cheapo Buffalo had BH-5s on it. My 5950 Ultra, while a review sample, was priced at like 250.
Going intel was close to triple price on board/proc for less performance, and back then I ran my :banana::banana::banana::banana: balls to the wall 250+FSB 1:1 (swapped to DFI boards that summer, about the time of the 2500 AQXDA) and popped boards and didn't mind, cause 35 bucks wouldn't break me.
Moved to K8, on a 100 dollar board (Chaintech VNF4-Ultra ZENITH) and a cheap CPU (3000 Winchester) and while it wasn't as cheap, I could still afford to play the game. Got a good clocker out the gate, and ran with it for a long time at 2.9 from 1.8 stock. When I moved to a 3800+ and A8N-SLI, I felt it in the wallet, but hit 3GHz on air, too. Stock cooler. I could still justify it.
Now Conroe comes along, and I'm expected to pay up to 400 for a board, 3-400 for a chip, 3-500 for RAM, a grand for graphics, another 600 or so in water cooling, and I'm supposed to top it off by buying a damn MM case? THAT'S what it takes to be Xtreme? Fsck that, you can pretty well have it at that point. I remember when P4 used to be on bottom, and the guys that ran it were still Xtreme cause they had skillz. Now I run AMD and people practically pity me. Pity me cause I got a dog chip and board, don't cry cause I ran with the underdog. Somebody has to do it to keep that competitive Intel you want so bad.
I think we need a complete redefinition of Xtreme around here. We got guys with whole fscking housefuls of stock computers, but they're pushing massive points on WCG, I moved from overclocking/benching to overclocking/watercooling design and theory, lots of us can't afford to swap boards like we swap underwear, and the gap between each of us gets a little bigger every day.
When I came to XS, it was run wht you brought. Now it's if you don't have what I've got, you're a n00b.
The last place I heard that was an MMO, from somebody who Ebayed their gold. I handed his ass to him. Repeatedly.
Don't cry for AMD. We still have the skills to pay the bills, and we have more left in our wallets when we do.
what the F is superpi ?
Arguably the most popular benchmark to measure single threaded performance. Originally used for stability testing, yet CPU's are so fast now that even the 32M SuperPi isn't sufficient for 100% stability.Quote:
Originally Posted by leoftw
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superpi
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=36835
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Well said! :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Kayin
AAMEN!Quote:
Originally Posted by akaBruno
LOL @ fanboys. You do realize that AMD ( like Intel) are company's that would hang your new kitten or puppy if it made them more$. I just dont under stand why people are so into a company starting threads like "Yeah, AMD is great, can I get an amen" lol. Its just plane sad.
Also do none of yous think amd has screwed people over a bit with k10? Its not any ware as fast as they made out, late, and also according to some fanboys buggy as hell. Probably one of the worst launches in history. If Intel had of done some of the crap AMD has in the last year you people would be calling for there heads.
One good thing about k10 though is the power it sips, good job done there. Performance per watt Is I am sure the main criteria server managers look at and amd will hopefully sell enough of these suckers to get some $ behind them to make the phenom launch better than this disaster, Agree?
No company is perfect. However, if we want a truly free market, you gotta support competition. Give them a reason to still keep doing R&D.
By your statements, it would seem that if you can't run the fastest you should go home. Fie, I say, my 3600+ still plays my MMOs and runs my forum and it's more than capable of running a WoW server, and that's all stock clocked. Now I'm doing all that and designing waterblocks and more, and I don't feel underpowered. If you do, maybe you have other problems. Could I stand to do with more power? Yup, which is why I'm supporting Phenom. More power at a price point I can afford.
If you don't want it, OK, don't get it. Don't thread crap for those of whom it actually excites.
Every member of this forum is a fanboy, supporting a company who doesn't think of you much more than a bag of money. It's a bit derogative really when you think about it (the word fanboy).Quote:
Originally Posted by gallag
Whether you support AMD or Intel, Nvidia or AMD, Manchester Utd or Liverpool or anything. We all support corporations in one way or another.
Me, I like AMD. I like supporting underdogs (hell I even bought Cyrix DLCs a long time ago). Doesn't mean I'm blinded, I just buy a processor from an Intel competitor that is competitive in the price point.
If the Phenom at 2.6 costs £200 and has the same performance as an Intel at £200. I will buy the AMD chip.
This is not true,I have built more AMD systems than Intel but now that intel is faster I use them, I can also see a phenom rig in my future if they can get the clock speeds up a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Motiv
And don't give me this performance does not matter anymore bull, It mattered a hell of a lot when x2 was smoking the P4_pd cores, And I guess that if k10 had of completely wiped the floor with core2 performance would have been of the up most importance again.
I'm not a fanboy, I'm a loyalist. A fanboy thinks AMD can do no wrong. I admit that Barcelona's launch was fuxed up, that Phenom is way too delayed, and that they may have still not pulled it out on the desktop.
That said, I've a tendency to spend no more than 150 on a CPU, and I know where my money goes further. Also boards are and have always been cheaper for AMD. It seems to me to just plain be OK. I don't have the money to stay on top all the time. I have a famly to support, and that includes two special-needs children. I'm lucky to even get to do this anymore. If AMD makes it cheaper for me to continue playing the game, bring it on then.
Second that. And If companies were in opposite situations, I would support the underdog. That's healthy for competition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Motiv
Right on bro, I had an AN35 Ultra myself...best 50 bucks I ever spent on a computer part. I got a mediocre 1700+, but again for 50 bucks I wasn't complaining. That Socket A system lasted me three years.Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Kayin
When I went to 939 I got an ASRock939Dual for $70 which was considered a great deal at the time (still a ripoff compared to the AN35). It was practically the only choice for me because I couldn't afford to upgrade the 9800Pro as well, and the $150 for the Opty144 was way more than I'd like to pay for a CPU anyways ($150 is my absolute maximum spending limit on any single component).
Then when we were well into the C2D era, my PSU conked out ant took my 9800 with it. I used an FX5600 for a while, and then my mobo started dying. When I was looking for new parts I was considering the C2D because it was crushing in benchmarks. But the cheapest C2D at the time was $180, and I could get an X2 3600+ and a good ocing mobo for that much. Seemed like a no brainer to me.
I don't understand why people feel like the arrival of the C2D suddenly makes the K8s crappy chips. Sure the C2D is significantly faster, but that doesn't all of a sudden make the K8 slow. People can have their ridiculous SuperPi times, I'll keep my money and keep using my computer for games (which are GPU limited) and school work.
I am not really loyal to AMD though, if Intel truly offered better performance within my budget then I would roll with them. Usually though their motherboards cost more and their chips cost more.
I also realize that AMD is usually cheaper because they are firmly in second place. If they could charge higher prices for their chips they would in a heartbeat, and they did with K8. Before C2D came out, the 939 prices were ridiculous, $330 for the cheapest dual core, $140 for your cheapest single core? Competition is good for everyone, and hopefully AMD learned something from their time on the ropes.
Whatta dummy thread. Faith and patriotism is for dumb nuts. The other of us still have brain.
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Originally Posted by caligula
Then why not use it.
Good advice, I'm outta here. Enjoy your stay.
lolQuote:
Originally Posted by PhilDoc
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Hehe nice one Phil :).
I think AMD has been quite convenient for me really.
When I was younger and had no money, AMD was cheaper than intel and while it wasn't the top CPU it still wasn't really bad for its time. Went like that for a few upgrade cycles. Then as I got more money AMD ended up on top so I got AMD again and it was cheaper and faster than intel, sweet. Now I have like no money again due to other things going on and AMD isn't on top anymore but the price is good, kind of like deja-vu from at first.
I had intel for the pentium 200MMX CPU, then it was AMD up until my s754 3000+ when I sold my desktop and got a laptop which had an intel P-M in it (dothan I think it was). I noticed it had this "lag" so to speak about it that I could catch only when listening to music (the music would hiccup). Sold the laptop later went back to a desktop with a 939 AMD 3700+ and hiccups went away. Odd.
I've changed my CPU only once since then, when I got my opteron. I'm actually upgrading less now than I was back in the old K6-2 days.
I wonder how many of the intel fanboys (bashing this thread) went out and bought an A64 when it was stomping their big gig P4's?
Maybe I just like underdogs. Or maybe I just don't like being suckered by TV commercials. I do like cheap women, cheap beer, cheap chips, and cheap motherboards. Guess that makes me a cheap mother___er. heheheh :D
Whether AMD or Intel all i care is price/performances/overclockable ratio.Quote:
Originally Posted by akaBruno
SOMEONE GIVE HIM MORE MONEY PLEASE!Quote:
Originally Posted by SparkyJJO
haha, well like everyone else, its price vs performance. ever sincei assembled my first pc, it was AMD all the way.im a gamer and i dun see any performance differences from a C2D and my venice 3k at 2.2ghz so whats all the hoohaa that people have been talking about with the performance gap?
and im getting a k10 it seems, kind of itchy to get a new rig! and btw, funnyperson1 inspired me to limit my spendings to 150 on each component haha
I took the jump and left AMD for intel,I was sick of buying different sockets and diff ram.I was with AMD from the get go with there 940pin reg ram setup.
Then I went to tru dual channel regular 939 and then amd was talking about way to many different sockets.AM2,AM2 +,then needing another board to fully suport ddr3 and the little socket F in the back of my mind was pushing me further away.
I don't know where some of you got your prices but I paid like 165 for my dfi 975 board and 320 for my e6600, this was back in 12/27/06
You can build a quad core now for 350...Intel is holding the best bang for the buck right now.I can't see anyone buying a barcelona over a q6600,enless the amd chips will be under 200 bucks.
Man I thought I was the only one who thought the AN-35N Ultra was the best O/Cing board ever made.:shocked: What a rippin AZZ board and I still have it on the shelf. Been pondering a single stage phase unit so I can make my Barton keep up with the shuttle.
THe AN-35N Ultra was a great cheap lil mofo. I still have a couple in action and a couple on the shelf. Still near and dear to my heart like my lil ASSROCK 939Dual Sata2 is right now.
And, a word of thanks to intel and all their fanboys... Thanks for making my dual core Opteron affordable. When C2D came out, prices dropped in half over nite. It was a blessing for me. :D
BRUNO
lol, glad to hear it, that little rule keeps me in check, really the best bang for buck for an overclocker is almost always at the low-midrange. Performance scales slower than price with CPUs, at least for general usage and gaming. Sure a Q6600 will kick arse in folding, but for everything else I do I can get 60-70% of the performance for a 1/4th the price with a low end X2.Quote:
Originally Posted by scafT
Video cards are another story, but I would rather drop <$150 on a video card that plays every game on the market than pay twice as much to get slightly better settings and then loop 3DMark to make myself feel like I didn't just waste my money.
Imho the AN35N is the greatest bang for buck board ever made. Mine did 235 out of the box, and with a tictac bios I remember hitting 250FSB. There are still AM2 boards that can't hit those speeds (the crippled bios low end MSI and Asus boards).Quote:
Originally Posted by learners permit
There was a guy on RebelsHaven that put phase change on his AN35N and hit 295FSB. I wondered what all the noise was about the NF7-S, I was like hay guys, this board is half the price and does close to the same speeds. Only real downside was lack of memory voltage, but that was a trivial mod (I never did it, my Value Select didn't react at all to voltage).
guys don't forget the dfi nf4 ultra 939. I had mine over 320htt with my tccd sticks and up to over 260 1:1 1.5-2-2-5 with my BH5 sticks running on the 5 volt jumper,boy do I miss those days :(
i had my OCZ plat rev2 at 300 FSB 1:1 with my Opteron 146 @ 3.0ghz (300 x 10), and i actually need some skills to overclock back in the days. unlike now, even a no brainer can overclock on a asus board.
I have to agree with what you say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bail_w
So true(Especially on the c2d).
couldn't give a rats arse what it does in superpi.
It was a good benchmark until about the time quads came along now it's a whole 3 threads too short to make it stand for anything.
I've bought high end AMD, I've bought high end Intel. Even at budget levels both are a much of a muchness for price at their given performance levels.
I'll put my money where the performance is regardless of brand. I whole heartedly support competition but fanboi-ism just sucks, imho.
Also, I've just seen some Aussie pricing for the K10 Opterons and they're AUD$550 each so I'm not sure what all the "price/performance" talk is about.
But as caligula found out, this thread isn't really based on logical sentiments so to quote the best comment so far in this thread "I'm outta here. Enjoy your stay."
Oh Ye of little faith. heheheh
Seems to be slightly more $$ than an E5335, which sounds pretty competitive to me :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SLi_dog
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Originally Posted by SLi_dog
I agree with some of the things you said. Certainly there's nothing wrong with going for the best performance.
As far as Fanboyism sucking, well I just believe in live and let live. As long as they don't bother anyone, why should you or I have any objection. Certainly not an insulting one. I fail to see why people take there opinions so personally. Just because someone disagrees doesn't make you or them wrong or an idiot. It's what makes the world go round.
The pricing of Barcelona seems to be below comparable Xeons. I would say thats falls right in line with the price/performance talk. But that's me.
As far as caligula, I hardly find that calling people numnuts or insinuating they don't have a brain, based on any type of logic. Anyone who has put forth a respectful argument has not been bothered
Too many people are lacking both manners and respect for other peoples opinions and views, and in forums like these they have the courage to behave in a way they would't dare face to face. That is sad. For them.
Well i buy AMD because i will never buy Intel, because of the illegal tatics intel praticed all years ago.
I don't know why you guys are using SuperPi to justify... something? What makes you think people with Core 2 sit there and play a game of SuperPi all day? Core 2 just happens to do a lot of things better, like say, gaming performance.
A true enthusiast will see threw all the fanbois and buy a q6600 go stepping. that chip will do3.6ghz for $265 and is the best bang for the buck out right now,You could also buy a board that supports ddr3 and be set for a while.
I'm not giving up on AMD yet,I'm waiting for some more in dept benching results but so far the cd2's look better with there aggressive mid rang prices.
It's funny how things have turned,I used to say this very same things about intel when AMD had the best bang for the buck mid end parts.
I agree that C2D is prolly the best bang right now. I don't hate intel chips or the people that buy them. I just hate intel's past practices and I hate monopolies, in general.
I was trying to think of the 1st crapshootin chip toss that I got involved in... It was started by an AMD fan back in the day of the Slot Machines and the Athlon Classic was on top. Told him and his hoard to F.O. At the time I was running the 1st K6-2 to hit 600mhz, WooHoo! Couldn't get off on the braggart's hootin and hollerin and bashing.
And last year when news was leaking about the C2D's prowess, I was braggin em up, tellin my intel lovin buds at mrcs.us all about em. When they hit the shelves a couple o' guys bit. They're happy and I'm happy for them.
So, why did I start this thread? Because I think that the whole crapshootin chip toss is funny. And I really don't care right now because I'm happy w/ the rig I have. I don't plan on upgrading for a couple o' years, maybe more. So AMD has plenty of time to ramp the speeds, imho. :D
And BTW, I don't recall myself going around the intel forums crappin all over when the P4's were crappin all over themselves. Nor did I go around calling people liars when news started to come out about the C2D's.
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Originally Posted by akaBruno
You can get a Amen for that.
No one here is trying to get anyone to buy AMD, but I'm sure all of us who are trying give results, asking questions about results, and just in general trying to sift though the threads would just be happy if all of the thread crapping would stop. Any other type of comment is completely welcome in my book.
Amen.
See I just dislike the notion that one has to be able to drop $270 on a CPU in the first place to be considered a "true enthusiast." I also don't feel the the Q6600 is the best bang for buck right now in the true sense of performance/price ratio. Yes its the best bang for buck out of high-midrange CPUs, but hardly the best overall unless you're only considering folding or 3D rendering.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skratch
If you ask me the whole concept of overclocking is born from the idea of paying less and getting more out of it. Right now we have great $60-80 chips like the Brisbanes and the E21XX series that when overclocked to their max get close to top end performance in games and other apps that most people here use. Thats the range that I play, because thats where I can afford to play in, and in that range imho AMD is the winner due to cheaper motherboards.
You all have your perspectives. Do whatever suits you and leave others alone. :D
Get what you realistically need -> my advice.
Person B can afford X, then let him/her have it. If not, then fair do but don't hold that against him/her like 18th C aristocratic elitists. I'm sure Mr. Gates can get the best rig, pots and cooling ever seen made if he wanted for his kids, but who cares. Its all a bit of fun while learning and pushing technology.
-Number oc and such comps are just only for a few extreme. Its an addiction like gambling for many, even some of my personal freinds.
-Stable max oc, and I mean 24/7 stable/good temp oc that lasts 2 years easy, not 2 months, demands high initial costs if you want something stable past 3200MHz from a Q6600 G0 without the screaming noise, with sustained effort of costs and time -> very few in the real world are willing or have the time for that.
-Moderate oc, even on G0 chips, is no where near what onliners tout around.
Theres no question Core 2 came out to be a very good overclocker/performer but hardly anyone in the common world wants to run ≥55C load temps or pay for better components/cooling from stock one or two fans and HSF. With that scenario, very few will want or get a Kenty/Conroe/Xeon and FX/X2/Opty over 3GHz.
Work as a technician in one decent store around the world and you'll soon notice how factual that becomes.
I'm out for a year more yet at least until I get the final Masters, so all is good. Good to see how things develop between Intel Penryn-Nehalem and AMD Barcelona-Shanghai. I know, and both companies know, that they'll have to experiment and break new grounds to get the lead over one another -> new technology -> that's interesting and exciting.
At least respect yourselves as a bunch of enthusiasts-> as a whole.
Peace. :)
huh? what is superpi... ;)
I prefer AMD. No particular reason, I've just liked their products for the past few years. I mean, my first rig was a Pentium3, and was a rockin' rig at that (lasted me a good 3 years probably), and then I jumped into K8, where I went from a 3400+ newcastle, then claw on 754, then a 3000+ venice on 939, then an Opteron 144, then an Opteron 165.
Currently, I'm on a 2.8GHz Opteron @ 1.35v lidless on water, with 2GB of PC4000 OCZ memory at 3-3-2, a 7800GTX and a DFI nF4 SLi-DR with a set of Raptors. While it is a bit dated, it's still very responsive in everything I do from gaming to everyday tasks (I love the response time in the OS with K8 with 1MB of cache). Plus, it's still dominates SMP F@H units with ease. And while I'd like to play with C2D, I really have no need for it at this point. The only real thing that interests me is quad core, and now AMD has that. :) So this rig has afforded me enough time to wait out the storm and see how Phenom is before I go quad. I can't say for sure I'll go AMD, but if they're priced right, I probably will.
Sorry, is this the xtremesystems I joined in 2002 or have space aliens taken it over ?Quote:
Originally Posted by akaBruno
:rolleyes:
Regards
Andy
QFT! :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by SparkyJJO
Even tho I stepped up to AM2 with the intentions of dropping a K10 in, I think that my next step will be a good overclocking motherboard shorty (knowing me, almost immediatly) followed by the best bang for the buck AMD quadcore.
Isn't that nice. Seems I joined a couple o' months before you did. Small world, eh? :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by zakelwe
I went for AMD back when they were technology superior (a64) to intels cpu range thats the main reason why i choosed AMD. But after months of talks about barcelona, the 4x4 fiasco, and the south africa coktail party. I have lost respect in them. We have to respect that intel have come through with their conroe and is beginning to shine with their products. Many love to think they are evil and everything but the reality is they are making the better processor.
Im still unsure what this thread is about as it probably is the most unprofessional thread i seen on this forum, but im just stating my opinion nevertheless.
Well, thanks for dropping by and crapping on it. You have a nice day, eh? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by G80
No one said you have to get a q6600,It is the best overall because they do 3.6-3.8ghz ON AIR over all.When overclocked they out do any other chip on the market and I hate to say this even the new Bacelonas that are about to come out.For an extra 125 dollars over what ever low end chip you can buy,you get the whole 4mg of cache and the extra 2 cores with the potential of running them up to 3.8 ghz on air.What are you going to say when intel drops them to 200 bucks when bacelona hits the stores?is 200 still to much?Forget brand names and look at the raw power of the q6600.It hands down smokes everything out there.Im not getting into a AMD vs INTEL debate.Only a fan boy would not buy a q6600.I love AMD to death and am a true fan at heart,but my money is going where the performance/bucks are and that is with intel right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by funnyperson1
I hate how you people keep bringing up the mother board prices.I paid 164 for my board last year(DFI 975x).That is exactly what I paid for my dfi nf4 ultra back in the day.
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Originally Posted by G80
I agree, Intel is making faster cpus. But, honesly, the only reason we have those fast cpus is because of A64. If it wasn't for that we'd all be still running socket 478 and paying high prices to boot. That's not to say Intel is evil, but any corp is going to do what's they can to maximize profits. AMD did the same thing when they were on top (come to think of it I don't seem to remember anyone suggesting to those who continued to run Intel, they should leave the forum) I also seem to remember that Prescott was about a big of fiasco as you could get.
Having said all of this, imho we should all hope that both Intel and AMD are competitive. Not only do we get cheaper cpus, but better ones to boot. What's the point in insulting those who want to be patient with AMD and crapping in their threads. If you're frustrated with AMD and don't want to wait, then buy Intel state your opinion, but leave the insults behind. Myself, I wasn't going to upgrade until the beginning of the year anyway, so the delays mean little to me.
Andy, you're not suggesting that unless we are all will to buy a $1400 Quad and run cascades that we should go elsewhere?
Anyway, unless you have some past pent up anger and it helps you relieve the pressure, I see very little benifit in being insulting or crapping in someones thread
So "crapping" and insulting is the same as discussing and stating an opinion? :down: ,You two are getting things wrong.
Well I wouldn't pay $164 for the DFIs either. Call me cheap but for me bang for buck means extracting the most performance for the least amount of money. I don't see any applications that I use utilizing quad cores, and so while I wouldn't buy a Q6600, I wouldn't buy a Phenom either, at least not until the price drops below $150 and I see a bunch of games that I want to play supporting and benefiting from quad cores.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skratch
During the 939 era I used an ASRock 939Dual to get my Opty144 to 2.7, maybe if I had a DFI I could have gotten to 3ghz, but again, why would I pay twice as much for a motherboard to get an extra 10% performance. If that board hadn't died, I would still be using that rig today.
Right now there are AM2 boards from Biostar and Gigabyte which oc well enough to max out any AM2 CPU for $60-80. The good Intel ocing boards start around $100.
In any case all the games in recent memory have been graphics limited unless you have two 8800s or 2900XTs.
The Q6600 is no doubt a great chip, but $275 is almost as much as my mobo, ram, and CPU combined cost me.
I'm not so much an AMD fan, but I am a fan of buying low and overclocking to make up for it. When I was getting parts for my current rig I really wanted a Core2Duo, but the cheapest C2D was $180 (E4300), and the cheapest good motherboard was $120 (TForce965). My CPU and mobo cost me $175 total, and other than SuperPi and Folding, I wouldn't have really noticed the difference. But I do notice $100 in my pocket.
I'll have to reread your post, but I wan't referring to you crapping on anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by G80
You were insulting me, personally. I was kind in my reply to the insult. And... you really don't want to hear my opinion of you. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by G80
BRUNO
Where, how? unless you founded AMD and cant stand people prefering other products i dont see how i insulted you.
***KING right on buddy......I agree entirely :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Kayin
AMD = QUALITY + PERFORMANCE + RELIABILITY - $$$$$
Anyhow.........we all know TRUE overclockers use AMD ;):p: :yepp: :up:
[rant]'Whatta' dummy comment. Unless English is your second language, your brain is not very good at grammer.Quote:
Originally Posted by caligula
Go back to the bitter solace of your atheism and your disdain/hate for whatever country you hail from and quit crapping on this thread. [/rant]
My last two builds have been Intel, but I still have an XP2500 system which I'd really like to upgrade and I'm hoping the Phenom will give me a strong reason to continue to support AMD. We shall see.
Welkom 2 da interwebs.Quote:
Originally Posted by LIKMARK
For me it's all about Integrity.
in·teg·ri·ty (ĭn-tĕg'rĭ-tē)
n.
Steadfast adherence to a strict moral or ethical code.
The state of being unimpaired; soundness.
The quality or condition of being whole or undivided; completeness.
IMO intel has none and AMD has loads of it.
As far as the trolls go... "I love AMD, I used to run AMD blah blah blah..."
You're a bunch of Mugwump fencesitters. Ya got your Mug on one side of the fence with your Wump on the other. All y'all need to stick your Mugs up your Wumps. And it wouldn't hurt ya one bit, since y'all went over to the Dark Side it wouldn't matter, anyway. Y'all can't see past the crap you're spewing now.
So why not leave the good folk who support AMD alone. Quit trying to make excuses for why you went to the Dark Side.
BRUNO
You know, this is getting down to a simple fight on the internet.
You know what happens when you win a fight on the internet? You're still retarded.
People forget to realize that people have freedom of choice. Would I run a Q6600 if it were given to me? You betcha, I'd enjoy it and I'd clock it slap blind, as they say in these parts. I'd be proud of my rig, just like I am now. So long as it's fast enough to suit me, that's what I need. I'm not here to dominate synthetic benchmarks. My Photoshop times, however, are something to be proud of, cause I spent my time optimizing that instead of trying to get those last three points in 3DMark. And yes, I've done that too.
The point of that quad cost what my board and proc cost is a big point. To know I will probably only get that one generation out of the Intel board (not always true, but look at Prescott/925-Smithfield/Presler/955-975 rev.1-Core2Duo/975 rev.2... And now look at AM2's support for the future. All the way to quad core, if you're interested in followin it...
Look, if you wish to deride me for not following the fads, OK, go ahead. I don't see you doing the same things I am, so maybe you can't justify my stance. If that's the case, I would ask you (here and elsewhere) to live and let live, cause unless you claim that AMDs and Intel share the same socket currently or that your Cyrix can spank us all, I have no interest in attempting to change your position.
And BTW, in the price range, the Q6600 is the best deal I can see. However, that's not the only price range out there...
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For me it's all about Integrity.
in·teg·ri·ty (ĭn-tĕg'rĭ-tē)
n.
Steadfast adherence to a strict moral or ethical code.
The state of being unimpaired; soundness.
The quality or condition of being whole or undivided; completeness.
IMO intel has none and AMD has loads of it.
As far as the trolls go... "I love AMD, I used to run AMD blah blah blah..."
You're a bunch of Mugwump fencesitters. Ya got your Mug on one side of the fence with your Wump on the other. All y'all need to stick your Mugs up your Wumps. And it wouldn't hurt ya one bit, since y'all went over to the Dark Side it wouldn't matter, anyway. Y'all can't see past the crap you're spewing now.
So why not leave the good folk who support AMD alone. Quit trying to make excuses for why you went to the Dark Side.
BRUNO
Try Conroe for a excuse. And why do you behave so imature and aggressive? the people buying what they want to
spend their money on without "chivalrous" sentimentalites and all that bull is now considered to be 'bad', 'evil' people?
Make your own excuses , you can start by your thread which either is a invitation to a
big amd-vs-intel flamewar that spans 13 pages or a take on imdb's wholeheartly sillyness 'agree or die' threads. What is it built on?
Since your not open for any discussion judging by your crapping, trolling stamps i guess the later.
Thank You G80. That was a perfect example of what I was trying to draw out. Like it or not... you're proving my point of how ridiculous it all is.
I'll just continue to stand up for what I believe in , and in some small way stand up to the behemoth intel.
So do us all a favor. Stick your Mug back up your Wump over on the Dark Side. :D
I love it CandyMan. :D
LOL Bruno your post on pg 1 killed me. That ones a keeper.
nice...that line is a keeper
Thanks guys. I forgot I said it. Just saved it for myself. :D http://24.117.171.190/index.php?act=...270#entry34260
If we didn't have a sense of humor about this crap we'd go nuts. :clap:
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Originally Posted by akaBruno
Do yourself a favour and grow up. How about that for a change? your almost gamespot material.
AMEN
AMD till the end!
i really dont care what intel brings out AMD will for ever be my home :)
Go AMD put out something to come back to you,I miss the imc.
Now you fully understand why I have about 14 posts in the AMD section the last 2 years;) I have faith in my wallet, not AMD or Intel since both have faith in only their own wallets as well. Both AMD & Intel are the same and only their size separates them. Neither company wouldn't piss on us to put us out if we were on fire unless they could make a Buck for doing so. By we I mean Intel and AMD folks, users, fans and etc...............Quote:
Originally Posted by G80
The other real funny part in all of this that others pretend folks like some of these posters here doesn't in fact exist:rofl:
Hey, as I said, it is all about my wallet.
I never attempted to defame or incite. I just wanted to say my peace and be done.
I've been trying to do that for 52 years now, mate. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by G80
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Originally Posted by akaBruno
Wow, just about the same age. I'll be 52 in Feb. :up:
@_@ u guys are as old as me dad
respect!
I turned 50 on Feb the first.Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilDoc
Excellent, Feb the 19th for mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
I didn't aim anything I said at you. It's just a simple FACT not an Opinion that folks saying stuff like, I only buy brand X, is bad for Consumers as a whole. This creates higher prices, slows down innovation and is bad for everyone but Company Brand X. X = all Companies.Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Kayin
Cool! The Mod Movieman is 55 so must be a bunch of us here:DQuote:
Originally Posted by PhilDoc
Correct. However, saying that it's stupid to buy anything but Y for whatever reason (except gross malfunction) is just as bad. It takes both sides.
I'll be 26 Thursday. Age has nothing to do with intelligence, wisdom, or veracity of statements. It just has to do with how many trips you've made around the sun.
Amen!Quote:
Originally Posted by akaBruno
I'm on my third AMD right now and I was sooo happy that my brother picked AMD for his new system. Why did he pick it? Cuz it had a nice price and he could drop a Phenom in. Don't you just love that he's thinking ahead to the next AMD thing? I certainly do.
First of all, you're half right about the age thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Kayin
There's a young kid that is 19. I had him help me with re-wiring my pickups and Tone knobs on my Guitar. Hell, he can do tons jobs like that. There a Bass Player thats 27 that I envy he's so good. I've been playing twice as long and probably not half as good as he is.
You don't have both sides when Consumers turn into Fans and only buy from one company. They hurt themselves more than anyone else. Sure there's freedom of choice or to choose. Exclusive buying is NOT stupid but just NOT smart.
Well, happy Birthday. I think most of us gain a little wisdom, are a little more set in our ways, and hopefully, have a little more tolerance for other points of view. But, I wouldn't judge someone simply because of their age.Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Kayin
I guess it takes a few more trips around the sun to figure out why monopolies are bad and we have Anti Trust legislation. Seems to me that our legislators haven't done their job in the new age of computing. Prolly cause most of em need help checking their email.
Choosing AMD over intel is like guys choosing Linux over Windows. It may leave you with a few more hurdles to jump but there is a certain satisfaction to be derived from it.
Bruno