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07-31-2008, 04:51 AM
PortCitySlim

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Originally Posted by Leeghoofd

look above... hope you can make PL8...

Thanks..Should I try "moderate" and PL10 at the same time or if moderate passes then PL10-9-8? Also, if this don't pass should I increase my voltage more then 1.94? Thanks!!
07-31-2008, 05:01 AM
Leeghoofd

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Originally Posted by Polizei

Is there anything I should do on first boot? My board is arriving tomorrow and I don't want to hurt my already abused E6600 any more.

I'm going to format and re-setup my RAID arrays even though I can just transfer them over... it's been a long time coming. Just need something where I can set those up again. I don't want to use that "quick" RAID stuff, I want to use ICH10R. Do I need a floppy drive?

Just don't leave any voltage for NB, PLL and FSB term at auto... nor at it's lowest level... might be a good idea to redo the RAID completely , I had some slow performance with my P5K dlx transfer to P5Q Dlx

Quote:

Originally Posted by PortCitySlim

Thanks..Should I try "moderate" and PL10 at the same time or if moderate passes then PL10-9-8? Also, if this don't pass should I increase my voltage more then 1.94? Thanks!!

Try the PL levels first, for me they bring the most gain in eg the bandwith tests after static read control... it might be that it boots at 8 but is far from stable. I usually do a quick test with a SuperPI 32MB for each core, so for a dual core 2 instances for a quad four... try 10-test-9-test-8... then if all is stable try moderate...much depends on ya rams... good luck...
07-31-2008, 05:18 AM
Polizei

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leeghoofd

Just don't leave any voltage for NB, PLL and FSB term at auto... nor at it's lowest level... might be a good idea to redo the RAID completely , I had some slow performance with my P5K dlx transfer to P5Q Dlx

I'm going to re-do my RAID completely... been planning to for a while.

What should I set those at for a 65nm dual core? I'm used to 975x voltages for nb, and I've never done anything with PLL or FSB termination or anything like that because the BIOS on my DFI Infinity doesn't have those options.
07-31-2008, 05:45 AM
CERO

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Originally Posted by -n7-

Yes.

HWC just reviewed the P5Q Pro; it's 0.08v higher also.

Seems all the P5Qs overvolt the vDIMM by 0.08v for each value.

As well, bigtime overvolts on vFSB/vPLL unless you set it a couple notches over the lowest voltage; then it sets it close to its set value.

hey thnx, could u link me the review?
07-31-2008, 05:48 AM
Leeghoofd

Quote:

Originally Posted by Polizei

What should I set those at for a 65nm dual core? I'm used to 975x voltages for nb, and I've never done anything with PLL or FSB termination or anything like that because the BIOS on my DFI Infinity doesn't have those options.

Start at stock speeds first... with the lowest voltages mentioned below... the voltages on the right are the max I would set for 24/7

All CPU GTL Voltage Reference:Auto
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.52-1.6
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.2-1.3
DRAM Voltage: caution ram overvolts +/- 0.08 so 1.92 is 2.0 in reality
NB Voltage: 1.12-1.3
NB GTL Reference: Auto
SBridge Voltage: Auto
PCIE SATA Voltage: Auto

CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
CPU Clock Skew: Auto
NB Clock Skew: Auto

Keep us posted how it goes...
07-31-2008, 05:53 AM
Leeghoofd

Quote:

Originally Posted by CERO

hey thnx, could u link me the review?

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...rd-review.html

google is ya best friend :)
07-31-2008, 05:57 AM
Polizei

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leeghoofd

Start at stock speeds first... with the lowest voltages mentioned below... the voltages on the right are the max I would set for 24/7

All CPU GTL Voltage Reference:Auto
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.52-1.6
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.2-1.3
DRAM Voltage: caution ram overvolts +/- 0.08 so 1.92 is 2.0 in reality
NB Voltage: 1.12-1.3
NB GTL Reference: Auto
SBridge Voltage: Auto
PCIE SATA Voltage: Auto

CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
CPU Clock Skew: Auto
NB Clock Skew: Auto

Keep us posted how it goes...

:up: Thanks for the advice, I'm sure I'll be back for more. :)
07-31-2008, 07:57 AM
LUCI5R

What exactly is "FSB Strap to North Bridge"?
I'm finding better stability with Higher FSB's / Lower Voltages using 333Mhz instead of 400Mhz.

When I had FSB Strap to North Bridge set to 400Mhz, I couldn't get stability @ 3.8GHz (475FSB) even with 1.37v and all other volts set high.

With FSB Strap to North Bridge set to 333Mhz, I'm @ 3.8Ghz full rock solid stable with just 1.35000v and all other volts lower then I ever had.

Is there a negative to 333Mhz as oppose to 400Mhz?
07-31-2008, 08:31 AM
LUCI5R

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Originally Posted by Timbosan

FSB strap to northbridge im my understanding, is the timings used in the northbridge. On other boards, the lower you set the strap, the tighter the timings and performance increases. I would have thought 400 would have looser timings and lower performance than 333, however I've not tested this. I will now. Also, the choice of strap affects the choices of memory speed you have available. I'm still working this out for this board

That is interesting - if indeed that is the case, then why is all over this thread 400Mhz the recommended setting for FSB Strap to North Bridge? Not knowing much about this setting, I was quite honestly following the 'recommended'. By chance I happened to take a peek at another user's BIOS Settings, who was stable at 3.8Ghz with much lower voltages & settings then I was, who had 333Mhz, and I thought about giving it a shot. Seems to be working wonders for me.
07-31-2008, 08:36 AM
RBS

edit..
07-31-2008, 08:49 AM
ThugsRook

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timbosan

...400 strap...

400 strap doesnt even work on my board, nowhere nohow noway.
07-31-2008, 09:02 AM
truehighroller

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThugsRook

400 strap doesnt even work on my board, nowhere nohow noway.

Prob PL related.
07-31-2008, 09:05 AM
NBF

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timbosan

Really? What's your FSB and ram at when the 400 strap won't work? Also what's your vNB?

400 strap don't work with Q6600. It results in no boot or boot very unstable.

It's been like this in all BIOSes I tested, but it doesn't make much difference, 266 and 333 straps are better anyhow and fully stable. :)
07-31-2008, 09:19 AM
NBF

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timbosan

I can run either 333 or 400 strap at PL10 at 534 FSB using 1.20v vNB. What PL are you running?

I can run 400 strap too, but only with Wolfdale, not Kentsfield ;)
07-31-2008, 09:35 AM
truehighroller

Quote:

Originally Posted by truehighroller

Prob PL related.

What I think.
07-31-2008, 11:02 AM
ThugsRook

Quote:

Originally Posted by truehighroller

What I think.

no its not PL related, i backed it down to 13 and then 15, didnt matter, nothing i tried mattered.

its the 1004 bios that just plain cant do nbs400 with my e8200, previous bios' could. but as others have stated nbs333 is better anyways.
07-31-2008, 11:28 AM
wongnog

Quote:

Originally Posted by NBF

400 strap don't work with Q6600. It results in no boot or boot very unstable.

It's been like this in all BIOSes I tested, but it doesn't make much difference, 266 and 333 straps are better anyhow and fully stable. :)

That's interesting, I think I noticed the same on my Q6600 and P5Q-e. BTW what's the highest fsb you can get on your chip? I seem to be able to only get 380x9 (G0 stepping, 1.300V VID). I tried lower multipliers but can't seem to go above 380 fsb.
07-31-2008, 12:07 PM
NBF

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Originally Posted by wongnog

That's interesting, I think I noticed the same on my Q6600 and P5Q-e. BTW what's the highest fsb you can get on your chip? I seem to be able to only get 380x9 (G0 stepping, 1.300V VID). I tried lower multipliers but can't seem to go above 380 fsb.

This chip is a Q6600 L745A (VID 1.325)

Highest is 516

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=387853

4 core benchable 500fsb

http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/9...vantco0.th.jpg

I think your chip can do better than that.
07-31-2008, 12:19 PM
wongnog

Quote:

Originally Posted by NBF

This chip is a Q6600 L745A (VID 1.325)

Highest is 516

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=387853

4 core benchable 500fsb

http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/9...vantco0.th.jpg

I think your chip can do better than that.

Hmmm well I never went down to the 6x multiplier. I guess high fsb trumps high clock speed in all cases? Please post your bios settings, also which bios are you using? Oh ya and I have 2x2gb PC2-8000 (OCZ Platinum XTC), but one of my sticks is bad so I have to get it RMA'd.
07-31-2008, 12:40 PM
NBF

Quote:

Originally Posted by wongnog

Hmmm well I never went down to the 6x multiplier. I guess high fsb trumps high clock speed in all cases? Please post your bios settings, also which bios are you using? Oh ya and I have 2x2gb PC2-8000 (OCZ Platinum XTC), but one of my sticks is bad so I have to get it RMA'd.

I have same fsb with 803 and 1102 BIOSes

Most of the settings were on Auto in my 500+fsb runs!

The ones that I mannualy set are the following

CPU Ratio Setting: 7
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333
FSB Frequency: 500
PCI-E Frequency: 101
DRAM Frequency: 1000

DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency: 5
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15

AI Transaction Booster: MANUAL
Performance Level: 10
Pull-In of CHA PH1: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHA PH2: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHA PH3: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHA PH4: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH1: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH2: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH3: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH4: DISABLED

CPU Voltage: 1.500
DRAM Voltage: 2.02
NB Voltage: 1.5 (probably can be much lower, but I didn't try)

Load Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
CPU Margin Enhancement : Optimized

Advance CPU Settings
All settings: Disabled
07-31-2008, 01:06 PM
gurusan

1.5v on the northbridge for 500fsb!???
07-31-2008, 01:26 PM
wongnog

Quote:

Originally Posted by NBF

I have same fsb with 803 and 1102 BIOSes

Most of the settings were on Auto in my 500+fsb runs!

CPU Voltage: 1.500
DRAM Voltage: 2.02
NB Voltage: 1.5 (probably can be much lower, but I didn't try)

Wow 1.5V for VCore, are you on water cooling? Forgot to mention that I'm on air cooling, I have an OCZ Vendetta 2 using OCZ Freeze TIM. And I thought you were on 516x6, are you more stable at 500x7? I didn't think the quad Kents could go that high.
07-31-2008, 01:31 PM
Paodaf

Hi,
is it good settings for Q9450 for 3200Mhz?
I'm not sure about CPU GTL Voltage, is 0.63 safe for this CPU?]
Thanks

FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333
FSB Frequency: 400
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: 801
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: AUTO
DRAM Timing Control: AUTO
CPU Voltage: 1.22
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2): AUTO
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3): AUTO
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.52
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.1
DRAM Voltage: 1.82
NB Voltage: 1.2
NB GTL Reference: AUTO
SBridge Voltage: AUTO
PCIE SATA Voltage: AUTO
07-31-2008, 01:55 PM
TI66ER

I am running the 400 strap on my p5q-e/E6750 fine,400fsb/800 ram 1:1 400strap.
07-31-2008, 02:48 PM
PortCitySlim

Quote:

Originally Posted by NBF

400 strap don't work with Q6600. It results in no boot or boot very unstable.

It's been like this in all BIOSes I tested, but it doesn't make much difference, 266 and 333 straps are better anyhow and fully stable. :)

That is the exact same thing that happens to my Q6700! About 1 month ago I tried 400fsb strap and no boot at all. In fact I had to clear my CMOS because I couldn't restart or anything, and then when I did get CMOS cleared and settign restored minus the strap I was no longer stable at my previous setttings so I think I screwed something up somehow, I will never use 400strap again out of fear.:confused:

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