The Maximus Formula Thread - Help/OCing/Guide/Rampage conversion

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Originally Posted by Jokester_wild

Is it a huge benefit to do the rampage conversion on the Maximus Formula. Just debating it right now. Be interesting to try it if I knew it would also be stable.

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I've been curious for to get more detailed feedback myself. In over a year of teh hack, I still cant get any clear cut daily user feedback as to its functions in Sleep and Hibernate and on the 5:6 CPU:RAM divider?

Also I realized the RAM I asked about was not available and just now found out it is shipping out tomorrow so I can find out for myself now. I ordered the OCZ Flex EX PC2-9600 in the 2x2g kit and may try the PC3-16000 on my other X48 set.

Anybody else running newer rated DDR1200 on x38?

I've posted here before with my problem, and today I got back to testing again.

For some reason whenever I overclock and Prime95 the whole thing Core 0 seems fine with it but core 1 stops after a while (when using separate affinities). When I assign both Cores to Prime95 the whole thing stops right after a few seconds (same goes for OCCT, same script anyway)

My temps are perfectly fine 47-50 degrees. Another interesting note here is that Core 0 (altough not assigned) gets hotter than Core 1, about 2-3 degrees.

I'm currently running my rig at:
8*500 = 4GHz (E8400 C0) 1.45v, VID 1.225 (yes I know that's ridiculous)
1:2 = 1000MHz CL5 (OCZ FlexXLC PC2-6400 CL3) (2.3v)

I'm running these rather high voltages to make sure I'm having enough juice on there. The temps are just fine.

I am to say that there's something wrong with this processor, or at least a core of it.


While posting I am running Prime95 on Core 1. After two tests Worker 2 gave up due to a false rounding of the processor.
Worker 1 is still running.


Worker 1 failed after test 8

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Originally Posted by Allubz

After two tests Worker 2 gave up due to a false rounding of the processor.

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I would suggest to have a look at GTL references, there's an excellent thread on the topic here

Usually, one core failing with a rounding error can be corrected for by using CPU GTL referencing, most common way is to set it at 0.63x and go up if necessary.

What about your other voltages (VTT, vNB)?

Ah, Nederlander :)

I'll post the voltages tomorrow I think since I'm lacking time and energy right now, but they're all rather high.

The CPU GTL reference is, I'm pretty sure, on 0.67x and the other one, whatever it's named is set to 0.63x (both their maxes, afaik).

I'll buy 4x1GB of 8500 Tracers right now so they should be in around monday or tuesday.

Hehe Nederlander indeed... ;)

Yeah the GTL reference voltage needs to be calculated according to the maths in the linked thread. For me, with 1.3v VTT, 0.63x seemed to be the best match, but this all depends on your voltages, cpu and motherboard. My NB GTL doesnt like to be touched at all, whereas others seem to have good results with 0.67x. It requires some trial and error but does help stabilize high FSBs it seems. I guess at 500 fsb, your NB voltages are quite crucial as well.

Are you getting the double or single-sided tracers? My x48 P5E dlx hated the guts of the single-sided- I could not for the life of me get them to run stable so I hope you're getting te double sided ones! (although people's experiences seem to differ on these boards...)

let us know how it goes!

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Originally Posted by Grnfinger

I was referring to my 4870X2 gpu core NOT cpu

Most 8400 have stuck temps sensors, everyone argues over the tjmax so its really a matter of how comfortable are you with the way everything runs.
You seem to have investigated your problem, so maybe trying 3 or 4 different apps to check temps, then take teh average and run with that?
Dont rely on anything from Asus for temps, they coudnt code a screen saver

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:ROTF::ROTF: ASUS coding a screen saver that showed your mobo sensor info..

I think the latest Everest beta is showing my temps correctly now, before it would always be around 10c too much.

I'll update you guys on my situation as soon as I get the Crucial sticks, which should be tomorrow or the day after.

Since I bought them new, I do have the bad feeling they will be single-sided, but heck, it's still a lot better than OCZ FlexXLC PC2-6400 CL3 which run up to 1000MHz.

Question on the good ol' Crucial Tracers? If I want how can I confirm they will be the early revisions other then double sided? What sites (net stores) will know that before shipping?

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Originally Posted by Nuckin_Futs

Question on the good ol' Crucial Tracers? If I want how can I confirm they will be the early revisions other then double sided? What sites (net stores) will know that before shipping?

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That can get a little tricky. If I remember correctly, the old revisions had serial number BL2KIT12864AL1065. But looking at, for example, this site (where I had bought mine which turned out to be single-sided) lists both BL2KIT12864AL1065 and BL2KIT12864AL106A as the serial. Upon delivery it turned out to be the BL2KIT12864AL106A kit (I'm pretty sure) which would not for the life of me get my computer to run Vista stably, even at stock. But as I said, people's experiences seem to differ on this matter, so I'm curious what you will find Allubz!

I guess personally I would write the etailer an email if you wanna make sure which version it is exactly, and what crucial told me back then (~5 months ago) was that the double-sided were almost not available anymore. PriceGuideNetwork still lists them as BL2KIT12864AL1065 but I check with them before doing anything... :p:

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Originally Posted by Nuckin_Futs

Question on the good ol' Crucial Tracers? If I want how can I confirm they will be the early revisions other then double sided? What sites (net stores) will know that before shipping?

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I'd buy them from ebay or a XS member b4 I took my chances with Crucial now.

Which BIOS seems to be most stable & being able to OC much better...?

Got 'em.

4x BL2KIT12864AL106A

Let's get to the RAM first then, shall we.

333 / 1066 / CL5 / 2.0v - As spec'ed
344 / 1101 / CL5 / 2.2v
360 / 1152 / CL5 / 2.2v
367 / 1175 / CL5 / 2.2v
375 / 1200 / CL5 / 2.2 - 2.4v

This makes me a tad sad.

BIOS:
Multi: 6
PCIE: 100
DRAM timings: 5-5-5-18-2N
CPU: 1.4v
PLL: 1.5v
NB: 1.55v
DRAM: 2.1v (+0.1 ASUS gift)
FSB: 1.4v
SB: 1.050v
SB: 1.5v
LoadCal: Enabled
Spread Spectra: Disabled

All other settings on auto since I don't really know how to set them to actually be as loose as possible to allow maximum overclocking, to tighten them later.

Someone claimed the newer BallistiX have Powerchips on them, but I thought that would only be true for the 2GB DIMMs, any input on this is also appreciated.

Currently running:

8.5*470 = 4GHz 1.4v
1128-5-5-5-18-2N 2.2v

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Originally Posted by Allubz

Got 'em.

4x BL2KIT12864AL106A

Let's get to the RAM first then, shall we.

333 / 1066 / CL5 / 2.0v - As spec'ed
344 / 1101 / CL5 / 2.2v
360 / 1152 / CL5 / 2.2v
367 / 1175 / CL5 / 2.2v
375 / 1200 / CL5 / 2.2 - 2.4v

This makes me a tad sad.

BIOS:
Multi: 6
PCIE: 100
DRAM timings: 5-5-5-18-2N
CPU: 1.4v
PLL: 1.5v
NB: 1.55v
DRAM: 2.1v (+0.1 ASUS gift)
FSB: 1.4v
SB: 1.050v
SB: 1.5v
LoadCal: Enabled
Spread Spectra: Disabled

All other settings on auto since I don't really know how to set them to actually be as loose as possible to allow maximum overclocking, to tighten them later.

Someone claimed the newer BallistiX have Powerchips on them, but I thought that would only be true for the 2GB DIMMs, any input on this is also appreciated.

Currently running:

8.5*470 = 4GHz 1.4v
1128-5-5-5-18-2N 2.2v

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You are a where that crucial ballistix tracers are NOT campatible with X38 chipsets right.

Oh really >.<

I thought I've seen enough different boards to think they're good on any chip.

How's a P45 board? I might just sell this one off and buy a decent P45 board.
I'm not going NV chips for sure, nor do I feel like changing CPU brands atm.

I suppose the X48 boards aren't any better with it either?

Anyone EVER heard of this P/N: BL1286AL106A.8FE5

I can't seem to find it anywhere!

P45 an X48 are OK, its just X38 for some reason hates this ram
I have confirmed this with Crucial, if you search this thread the reference is there

Well, lucky me.

This explains my problem:
http://i4memory.com/f67/quick-review...d-module-5446/

They do 1150 at best...

Any newer RAM that runs 1200-1250?

Crucial is not the company it once was.
Try to find to Team Xtreme or Cellshock on ebay there amazing
There was an XS member selling the older double sided BT's not sure if there still up 4sale or not.

Anyone run 8GB memory on the Maximus Formula? And if so does are there any performance gains/losses or NB heat issues?

I'm getting memory erros with my reapers and was thinking down the lines of a set of 2x2GB or 4x2GB Corsair Dominators.

Orb

Dominators are great ram, if you get the right IC's you'll be very happy with them.
8GB's is a tad overkill imo unless you do alot of heavy encoding or auto cad, 8GBs will be harder on the MCH wont clock as high and will be harder to get high FSB overclocks stable
If you do not have a legit reason for 8GBs then I would not make the investment but thats my :2cents:

Hi

I have some problems with OC on my Maximus Formula, I can't get my Q6600 pass 3DMark06 cpu test on anything above 3.6Ghz, i managed to get 3.69Ghz but very unstabile, is it the overheating or some thing else.

Here is one SS
http://i41.tinypic.com/35bef7o.png

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I would stay away from Crucials and this board, I've had about 3 pairs of the ballistix 8500's and they never worked correctly on this board. After switching to G.skill have not had a single issue for almost over a year.

Guys, i need HELP in a bad way. I flashed my P5E to the Rampage bios months ago, currently using the 0701 bios. Now my board is actin flakey, not recovering correctly ect. I have tried to flash back to the P5E bios to no avail. Keep getting invalid something or another when using the bootable usb stick method. I have my usb stick all set up, and the latest P5E bios on it.

Can sombody post the EXACT thing that i need to type in at the dos promt?? The AFUDOS /I ect, ect???

The bios is named P5E-ASUS-1102.ROM.

I wanna put it back to a "stock" bios to see if the flakiness goes away....

Any help is appreciated....

Screwtech......:cool:

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Originally Posted by screwtech02

Guys, i need HELP in a bad way. I flashed my P5E to the Rampage bios months ago, currently using the 0701 bios. Now my board is actin flakey, not recovering correctly ect. I have tried to flash back to the P5E bios to no avail. Keep getting invalid something or another when using the bootable usb stick method. I have my usb stick all set up, and the latest P5E bios on it.

Can sombody post the EXACT thing that i need to type in at the dos promt?? The AFUDOS /I ect, ect???

The bios is named P5E-ASUS-1102.ROM.

I wanna put it back to a "stock" bios to see if the flakiness goes away....

Any help is appreciated....

Screwtech......:cool:

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Rename bios to 1102.rom

type:

afu236u.exe /i1102.rom /n /pbnc

Cool Zuker, ill give it a go....:up:

Woot!! It worked...... But it didnt solve my issue.... Only way to get the board to recover is to unplug the power supply from board, and let it set about 10min.... Maybe its time for a RMA....

i am thinking of replacing my e6850 with a e8400, e8500 or e8600 as my e6850 will not do what i want it to do on air.. the most i can get out of it is about 3.79 and it has been running at 3.6 24/7 for almost a year. i am hoping to get 4.0. i see the e8400 does that for many people with fairly low volts but don't see to much info on the other two i listed.. which one do you think i should get? the e8400 is 160-170 and the e8500 is about 10 more the e8600 is way more. is it that much better? if the 8400 will do what i want is there any reason to spend any more for one of the others? i am not looking to break any records or anything just get a little higher oc with maybe less volts and close to the same temps.. once i start upping my volts to get this one to work any higher funky things start happening due to heat being on air?? thanks.

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Originally Posted by loften

i am thinking of replacing my e6850 with a e8400, e8500 or e8600 as my e6850 will not do what i want it to do on air.. the most i can get out of it is about 3.79 and it has been running at 3.6 24/7 for almost a year. i am hoping to get 4.0. i see the e8400 does that for many people with fairly low volts but don't see to much info on the other two i listed.. which one do you think i should get? the e8400 is 160-170 and the e8500 is about 10 more the e8600 is way more. is it that much better? if the 8400 will do what i want is there any reason to spend any more for one of the others? i am not looking to break any records or anything just get a little higher oc with maybe less volts and close to the same temps.. once i start upping my volts to get this one to work any higher funky things start happening due to heat being on air?? thanks.

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For $10 more I'll definitely go for the .5 more on the multi of the E8500. Just be sure you get a E0 and 4.2Ghz should be a breeze.

thanks

There's no good reason for getting a E0 over a C0 though.

I don't recall the proof atm. since it's 4.20am but the E0 has higher timings on its L2 cache and comparing 4.0 C0 vs a 4.4 E0 delivers about the same performance results, just due to that timing.

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Originally Posted by Allubz

There's no good reason for getting a E0 over a C0 though.

I don't recall the proof atm. since it's 4.20am but the E0 has higher timings on its L2 cache and comparing 4.0 C0 vs a 4.4 E0 delivers about the same performance results, just due to that timing.

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Well, go and sleep and then come back and see if you still feel the same way.

i have been looking at the e8000's for a few weeks. it is hard to find out from many sites which stepping code they are selling even looking at the specs.. i almost got a e8500 today but the people at the place i was at didn't have a clue when i asked about the stepping. i asked for a print up of the specs and they were clueless or to buisy to help so i walked away.. i was thinking i should ask about it here first... the info is good to know and if the stepping is not to big of a deal then maybe i'll just go back and not worry to much about it because it is only a few more dollars there then i could get it online anywhere, it's even less if adding my gas and not paying shipping.

SLB9K is eo right? is eo newer then co?

:woot::woot::woot:another thing is my sig shows i am on the rampage bios but i was having issues with that bios so i switched back to the maximus bios. which was version number 1004 when i did it. is that maximus bios compatable with the newer cpu's with 45nm and or the .5 multi cpu's? thanks again.. edit :D

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Originally Posted by loften

SLB9K is eo right? is eo newer then co?

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E0 is newer. Read my previous post about the difference(s) between the steppings though. Performance-wise it doesn't matter which one you get.

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Originally Posted by loften

another thing is my sig shows i am on the rampage bios but i was having issues with that bios so i switched back to the maximus bios. which was version number 1004 when i did it. is that maximus bios compatable with the newer cpu's with 45nm and or the .5 multi cpu's? thanks again..

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Maximus did support 45nm CPU's but not the Quads I think same for the .5 multi's at the first BIOS. I'm not totally sure though.

Please try to EDIT your posts instead of posting three times after each other.

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Originally Posted by loften

:woot::woot::woot:another thing is my sig shows i am on the rampage bios but i was having issues with that bios so i switched back to the maximus bios. which was version number 1004 when i did it. is that maximus bios compatable with the newer cpu's with 45nm and or the .5 multi cpu's? thanks again.. edit :D

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iirc 1004 will support 45nm

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Originally Posted by Grnfinger

Dominators are great ram, if you get the right IC's you'll be very happy with them.
8GB's is a tad overkill imo unless you do alot of heavy encoding or auto cad, 8GBs will be harder on the MCH wont clock as high and will be harder to get high FSB overclocks stable
If you do not have a legit reason for 8GBs then I would not make the investment but thats my :2cents:

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Thanks Grnfinger :up: I actually do quite a lot of batch processing of large files in CS4 so the 8GB may assist here. Would this extra loading on the NB come into effect at say 3.8GHz?

PS not getting rid of the Maximus Formula now. I just didn't like the UD3P at all.. Had issues with sound (even with separate card) and glitching in games at only moderate OC 4.1-4.2GHz. And boot time to windows was twice the time of my Max Formula. The MF is solid without any issues even though the OC is limited to around 3.9Ghz Max. I may just invest in a Rampage or MFII further down the road.

Regards

Orb

Has anyone experianced any crashing /or should i say freezing issues after flashing the maximus to the rampage??? Just got this Board and only had it a day before I flashed it but I keep getting freezing up on me not even at full load it will just randomly freeze?? I cant put my finger on it Ram tested out 100% fine with memtest86 and cpu is brand new Q9650, had to download newer bios from asus site as the bios that were offered on here werent capable of running 2 4870's in xfire... Help me help me :) any suggestions or thaughts grteatly appreciated..

vic

I'm still havin issues with the lateset Rampage bios too. Have to use it due to 2 4850x2's.... Flashed the latest P5E/Formula bios's too, they exibit the same issues.... All other componants test good...

hey guys.. i have a small problem now. my system is exhibiting strange usb problems lately. my mouse is clicking way too fast, probably at the speed of light. i click once and it opens things multiple times. I am not sure whats the problem. Also some of my front panel USB ports which are connected to the MB have stopped working. I hope that I didnt fry the USB controller or anything. Have already tried reinstalling XP but to no avail. The problem persists. My Quad is overclocked to 3.8GHz at the moment and I have also tried dropping the voltage and yet cant resolve it. Anyone could guess whats the cause? It seems very difficult to identify the problem here and I would appreciate any help. Btw, I have already tried configuring the speed of the mouse click to the lowest and still the problem remains. I have also tried replacing the mouse and I still have the same problem. Help me out guys.

FYI, the latest 1302 bios supports 45nm quads.

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Originally Posted by viccan

Has anyone experianced any crashing /or should i say freezing issues after flashing the maximus to the rampage??? Just got this Board and only had it a day before I flashed it but I keep getting freezing up on me not even at full load it will just randomly freeze?? I cant put my finger on it Ram tested out 100% fine with memtest86 and cpu is brand new Q9650, had to download newer bios from asus site as the bios that were offered on here werent capable of running 2 4870's in xfire... Help me help me :) any suggestions or thaughts grteatly appreciated..

vic

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I never flashed to the rampage bios, but I did have random freeze issues with the same setup even though the system was able to prime and memtest for over 8 hours at 4ghz. I backed off on the OC to 3.9 and the system is now stable. I've also found that upping the nb volts on this board helps stability tremendiously, you can give that a try.

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Originally Posted by screwtech02

I'm still havin issues with the lateset Rampage bios too. Have to use it due to 2 4850x2's.... Flashed the latest P5E/Formula bios's too, they exibit the same issues.... All other componants test good...

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Thats why I had to update Im running 2 4870's 1 4870x2 and 1 single both cards have 1 gig memory per gpu ?? But that is exactly why I upgraded the bios..

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Originally Posted by cyrixMII300

hey guys.. i have a small problem now. my system is exhibiting strange usb problems lately. my mouse is clicking way too fast, probably at the speed of light. i click once and it opens things multiple times. I am not sure whats the problem. Also some of my front panel USB ports which are connected to the MB have stopped working. I hope that I didnt fry the USB controller or anything. Have already tried reinstalling XP but to no avail. The problem persists. My Quad is overclocked to 3.8GHz at the moment and I have also tried dropping the voltage and yet cant resolve it. Anyone could guess whats the cause? It seems very difficult to identify the problem here and I would appreciate any help. Btw, I have already tried configuring the speed of the mouse click to the lowest and still the problem remains. I have also tried replacing the mouse and I still have the same problem. Help me out guys.

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Its funny you bring up the USB, I had forgot about that element of my problem not so much with the click speed as just hearing my usb chime like something got unplugged or plugged in?? A few times my USB keyboard stopped working and it would re establish once unplugged and then pluged back in? I think its best I just go back to the latest formula maximus bios to see if that solves the issue?

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Originally Posted by pphx459

I never flashed to the rampage bios, but I did have random freeze issues with the same setup even though the system was able to prime and memtest for over 8 hours at 4ghz. I backed off on the OC to 3.9 and the system is now stable. I've also found that upping the nb volts on this board helps stability tremendously, you can give that a try.

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Make sure I got this right your using a true Maximus (not rampage) Bios and having similar issues? I had all clocks and voltages set to auto and Im still getting it also my cpu pll never goes below 1.6v even if I manually set it at its lowest setting (1.5v) in the bios Man Im getting aggravated by this board!
At first I thought it was memory I used prime 95 and memtest both for 8-9 hours no crash then Im like the problems gone hurray :) 2 seconds later I hit send on my email and KABOOM! she down for the count?? Im running @ 3.825 MHZ and still happening my vid reported by core temp is 1.1625v and Im currently running 1.216v I've been slowly bumping it up to find stability or should I say a stop freezing as everything was stable performance and bench wise @ 1.2v My max temps are running 59 59 56 56 with full load Prime95 as well as OCCT..:shakes:

EXTREME Clockers ACTIVATE!!! :)

For those having USB issues up your damn SB volts and update to the latest chipset drivers.

For other anomalies it would be helpfull if you stated what bios your running, as Asus has coded some major :banana::banana::banana::banana: lately. Clocks speed for chip and ram would also be benificial. static read control and PL level are all relevant information that no one chooses to post, how about STOP posting about your problem untill you include the information required to help you.
Hard locks are usually vNB or tref values incorrect. The harder you tax the MCH the more volts you'll need to pump in to it. Cause your ram is rated for 2.1 - 2.2 volts dosent mean thats all you need, it's rated at that voltage for the rated speed, if you increase speed beyond its rating you might need to up the ram volts.
No offence to anyone that owns it but OCZ is crappy ram and is most likely what your problem is.

ok i had to upgrade the bios to the newer one.. first post on the e8500 eo at 420x9.5 @ 4.0, 1.21 volts.. 36-38 degrees ram @ 11something right into windows.. going to start messing with it to see what volts things require.. thanks for the info guys.. i will keep you posted..

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Originally Posted by Grnfinger

For those having USB issues up your damn SB volts and update to the latest chipset drivers.

For other anomalies it would be helpfull if you stated what bios your running, as Asus has coded some major :banana::banana::banana::banana: lately. Clocks speed for chip and ram would also be benificial. static read control and PL level are all relevant information that no one chooses to post, how about STOP posting about your problem untill you include the information required to help you.
Hard locks are usually vNB or tref values incorrect. The harder you tax the MCH the more volts you'll need to pump in to it. Cause your ram is rated for 2.1 - 2.2 volts dosent mean thats all you need, it's rated at that voltage for the rated speed, if you increase speed beyond its rating you might need to up the ram volts.
No offence to anyone that owns it but OCZ is crappy ram and is most likely what your problem is.

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Ok here we go :

cpu= 1.216
cpu pll = 1.616
fsb term= 1.392
dram = 2.16
nb = 1.632 (just upped to 1.68)
sb = 1.088 (just upped to 1.136)
sb 1.5v = 1.552
dram controller v = 1.088
3.3 = 3.232
5v =4.992
12v = 12.152

cpu multiplier = 9
fsb = 425
fsb strap = auto
pcie freq = 100
ddr freq = 1066
dra,m command rate = auto
dram commmand skew (ch. A+B)= auto
dram clock skew (ch A+B) = auto
dram timming 5-5-5-15-3-54-6-3
2nd info = 8-3-5-4-6-4-6
3rd info = 14-5-1-6-6

dram static read = auto
a.i. clock twister = auto
a.i. transaction booster = auto
everything else set to auto except loadline calibration is enabled

again cpu pll is set at lowest setting available 1.5 yet it registers 1.616
and cpu voltage is set to 1.23125v but is registering 1.216v

Bios is asus formula rampage 0701 (latest bios avail. for multiple ati 4870 cards)

hope this helps you help me :) thanks

I'll post up some suggstions shortly, off to eat :up:

Some things that will help....

whats the voltage rating for your ram?
in your sig I assume the 2 drives are raid?

Guess what I found today grn?

Black pearl.

How did you make out with the ram, seems to not do as well as 2x1gig variants could be the bios on that board i'm working with however.

Using the maxi to do a comparison review in the next week or so :D

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Originally Posted by Grnfinger

I'll post up some suggstions shortly, off to eat :up:

Some things that will help....

whats the voltage rating for your ram?
in your sig I assume the 2 drives are raid?

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Voltage rating is 2.2v Another member suggested tuning it down a tad but obviously i did not fix it so??? No the 2 750's are not in raid Thanks for responding so quick I do appreciate it:up:

It is OCZ But i did mem test is for 9 hours and not 1 error so Im hoping i got a good batch from them..

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Originally Posted by chew*

Guess what I found today grn?

Black pearl.

How did you make out with the ram, seems to not do as well as 2x1gig variants could be the bios on that board i'm working with however.

Using the maxi to do a comparison review in the next week or so :D

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OMG:shocked: I am so jealous
pics please pics,
you know your not helping my wallet any :D

Have not grabbed the ram yet, I know I'm slacking...I'm in argument over my 4870XX2 block, still no stock and I'm getting frustrated.
I want to change my order but they wont say how long to refund my current order.
iirc the 2x2 GB kit should do 1150MHz-1175MHz, cherry kit will do 1200

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Originally Posted by viccan

Voltage rating is 2.2v Another member suggested tuning it down a tad but obviously i did not fix it so??? No the 2 750's are not in raid Thanks for responding so quick I do appreciate it:up:

It is OCZ But i did mem test is for 9 hours and not 1 error so Im hoping i got a good batch from them..

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try this out
CLOCK SKEW advanced 250ps both channels ( adjust down from here)
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 65 (this value is important for 8GBs)

CPU PLL Voltage : 1.60 ( try to work down)
North Bridge Voltage : 1.53 - 1.55 ( try running it here adjust higher if need)
DRAM Voltage : 2.12 ( board over volts .8 so you get 2.2 actual)
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.40

Loadline Calibration : Enabled
CPU GTL Reference : 0.63X
North Bridge GTL Reference : 0.67X
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : DDR2-REFF
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : DDR2-REFF
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : DDR2-REFF
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.55

Let me know how you make out, worse / better / no change

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OMG:shocked: I am so jealous
pics please pics,
you know your not helping my wallet any :D

Have not grabbed the ram yet, I know I'm slacking...I'm in argument over my 4870XX2 block, still no stock and I'm getting frustrated.
I want to change my order but they wont say how long to refund my current order.
iirc the 2x2 GB kit should do 1150MHz-1175MHz, cherry kit will do 1200

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I took my set back, my board kept puking them up. Best timings I could do was 4-4-4-10 @ 420, 5-4-4-10 @ 500, 5-5-5-15 @ 1080 and wanted higher than 5 timings....for anything higher. This was on amd of course, I'm sure on the intel they would do considerably higher. That set that I know is good is at the location mentioned below.

That board is at a brick and mortar store, selling for 169.99. They take credit card. If you want info PM me...you can call them and talk to an actual person :shocked: :D

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Originally Posted by Grnfinger

OMG:shocked: I am so jealous
pics please pics,
you know your not helping my wallet any :D

Have not grabbed the ram yet, I know I'm slacking...I'm in argument over my 4870XX2 block, still no stock and I'm getting frustrated.
I want to change my order but they wont say how long to refund my current order.
iirc the 2x2 GB kit should do 1150MHz-1175MHz, cherry kit will do 1200




try this out
CLOCK SKEW advanced 250ps both channels ( adjust down from here)
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 65 (this value is important for 8GBs)

CPU PLL Voltage : 1.60 ( try to work down)
North Bridge Voltage : 1.53 - 1.55 ( try running it here adjust higher if need)
DRAM Voltage : 2.12 ( board over volts .8 so you get 2.2 actual)
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.40

Loadline Calibration : Enabled
CPU GTL Reference : 0.63X
North Bridge GTL Reference : 0.67X
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : DDR2-REFF
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : DDR2-REFF
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : DDR2-REFF
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.55

Let me know how you make out, worse / better / no change

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Well It seems better but it never freezes at the same times like I said sometimes Ill just go to send an email and freeze.. Im primming now @ 3.92GHz I managed to boot with all the settings you provided except the pll increased to 1.6v and it wouldnt post? I had it set at 1.5 but it jest goes up to the 1.616v so i decreased to the 1.5 I had origionally had it at and it booted right up but still readds 1.616 in bios ? :) Thankyou very much So from here I guess time will tell... Im running 9x 433

If I wanted to push it to 9x 450 would I have to adjust any of these settings ? or would they be good there too?? Thanks again really appreciate the help ;)

What do I need? I thought my voltages were pretty high for air coolling. If you need more info I copy it from the BIOS. Also my USB Passport External drive won't show up in windows. Do I need more SB Voltage?

Voltage Values
CPU Core 1.38 V
+3.3 V 3.23 V
+5 V 4.90 V
+12 V 12.10 V
+5 V Standby 4.90 V
FSB VTT 1.60 V
North Bridge Core 1.58 V
South Bridge Core 1.10 V
South Bridge PLL 1.54 V
DIMM 2.10 V
DIMM VTT 1.04 V
GPU Vcc 3.27 V

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/d...D/OCing/OC.jpg

Anyone?

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What do I need? I thought my voltages were pretty high for air coolling. If you need more info I copy it from the BIOS. Also my USB Passport External drive won't show up in windows. Do I need more SB Voltage?

Voltage Values
CPU Core 1.38 V
+3.3 V 3.23 V
+5 V 4.90 V
+12 V 12.10 V
+5 V Standby 4.90 V
FSB VTT 1.60 V
North Bridge Core 1.58 V
South Bridge Core 1.10 V
South Bridge PLL 1.54 V
DIMM 2.10 V
DIMM VTT 1.04 V
GPU Vcc 3.27 V

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/d...D/OCing/OC.jpg

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Anyone?

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try a little more vcore, passing 1024 but failing 8k I would lean real hard towards vcore

going to say up your vcore a little if that's a quad.... might put some sort of cooling on your north bridge if it has the bare se block.. not only did it help my nb temps and stability issues a little it helped my loaded cpu temps in tests by a few degrees..

Yah NB temps hinder your fsb overclocking attempts. Really need to put it on water. I put a decent individual sink on it and it still ran hot.

Grn did you pull the trigger on the black pearl?

Continued crashing ? Not sure why?? I tried upping the voltage dropping the voltage same w/ NB/SB/ RAM even everything set to auto continued to be a problem!
Went back to Old Gigabyte GA-X-38-DQ6 motherboard it has been running Prime95 stable 14hrs+ as I have obtained 3.8 only thing that bothers me about this board is its vcore jumps around under cpuz even with loadline cal enabled?? I have no idea why yet the asus board was rock solid voltage no matter where I set it? I might invest in a DFI board soon if this gives me any probs? Thus far it seems stable as a pyramid @ 3.8ghz ran 4 ghz for about an hour but couldn't find stable setting so dropped to 3.8 and hey Im ok with that for now, though DFI might be the answer?? Not sure why the asus max formula kept freezing real shame as I like the board and it bios immensely :(

viccan

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Continued crashing ? Not sure why?? I tried upping the voltage dropping the voltage same w/ NB/SB/ RAM even everything set to auto continued to be a problem!
Went back to Old Gigabyte GA-X-38-DQ6 motherboard it has been running Prime95 stable 14hrs+ as I have obtained 3.8 only thing that bothers me about this board is its vcore jumps around under cpuz even with loadline cal enabled?? I have no idea why yet the asus board was rock solid voltage no matter where I set it? I might invest in a DFI board soon if this gives me any probs? Thus far it seems stable as a pyramid @ 3.8ghz ran 4 ghz for about an hour but couldn't find stable setting so dropped to 3.8 and hey Im ok with that for now, though DFI might be the answer?? Not sure why the asus max formula kept freezing real shame as I like the board and it bios immensely :(

viccan

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Yea, it's a shame that this board cannot handle 4ghz. About to try out a mIIF soon.

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Originally Posted by pphx459

Yea, it's a shame that this board cannot handle 4ghz. About to try out a mIIF soon.

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I would have to disagree


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The Freeze continued , I swapped out my Memory for corsair, My video for a gforce8800 , my psu, even my CPU to the old 6600 and the freeze continues! Finally I just built on my old gigabyte x-38 dq6 and the freezing has stopped? over 24 hours prime stable! Go figure?? This was my 1st asus board since a k8v se I had for an old athlon years ago, that board still runs this board well there's much to be said...
Not sure what the deal was everything to stock / auto in settings even flashed back to the original maximus bios and zip?
The whole reason I upgraded to this asus board was CPU-z would show my vcore moving around even with loadline cal enabled? Wasn't crashing or anything was just pissed it wouldnt stay put..
The formula stayed locked on target with cpu-z as far as vcore goes but froze daily if not hourly? Wonder if I could RMA it? I bought it used

hey guys any ideas on the USB problems? (previous page). I have tried increasing the voltage to the NB and also reinstalling the chipset drivers but to no avail. i still have the same problems as before. someone help me out here please.

New BETA bios 0802 with CPU/NB SKEW DELAYS courtesy of A-Grey: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/525714/RA...rmula-0802.zip

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Originally Posted by pphx459

Yea, it's a shame that this board cannot handle 4ghz. About to try out a mIIF soon.

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I would concur with grn as well ;) ALL AIR RESULTS.
You apparently just aren't using the right settings yet for your chip.

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hey guys any ideas on the USB problems? (previous page). I have tried increasing the voltage to the NB and also reinstalling the chipset drivers but to no avail. i still have the same problems as before. someone help me out here please.

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Add SB volts.........not NB.

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Originally Posted by viccan

The Freeze continued , I swapped out my Memory for corsair, My video for a gforce8800 , my psu, even my CPU to the old 6600 and the freeze continues! Finally I just built on my old gigabyte x-38 dq6 and the freezing has stopped? over 24 hours prime stable! Go figure?? This was my 1st asus board since a k8v se I had for an old athlon years ago, that board still runs this board well there's much to be said...
Not sure what the deal was everything to stock / auto in settings even flashed back to the original maximus bios and zip?
The whole reason I upgraded to this asus board was CPU-z would show my vcore moving around even with loadline cal enabled? Wasn't crashing or anything was just pissed it wouldnt stay put..
The formula stayed locked on target with cpu-z as far as vcore goes but froze daily if not hourly? Wonder if I could RMA it? I bought it used

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I think the 1st problem was leaving things to auto on this mobo. It is well documented in this as well as my origional tread that this mobo overvolts lots of its values. Not to mention overclocking the quad and on a ram divider takes more effort to get it stable on most boards.

Shoot us your BIOS template or request one I pposted long ago so you cvan fill in the blanks and the group can better help. Just list your voltages as reported so it is much more simple.

In general, I will side w/ the others to say you for sure need some more vcore on that Q6700. I know it's a great CPU and will do better then my old 2yo Q6600 and That can do 4g on this mobo w/ some good tweaking. The ram divider is another story, needs lots of NB volts FSBT, PLL and so on. Oh ja, your FSBT is quite high for what FSB you are show. I only used 1.504v at 500FSB w/ a PLL of 1.648v. I have had a few 65nm quads need a PLL as high as 1.7v to keep stable at 500FSB. Be patient, I think it can do it.:)

Good look, hope this helps.

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Originally Posted by viccan

The Freeze continued , I swapped out my Memory for corsair, My video for a gforce8800 , my psu, even my CPU to the old 6600 and the freeze continues! Finally I just built on my old gigabyte x-38 dq6 and the freezing has stopped? over 24 hours prime stable! Go figure?? This was my 1st asus board since a k8v se I had for an old athlon years ago, that board still runs this board well there's much to be said...
Not sure what the deal was everything to stock / auto in settings even flashed back to the original maximus bios and zip?
The whole reason I upgraded to this asus board was CPU-z would show my vcore moving around even with loadline cal enabled? Wasn't crashing or anything was just pissed it wouldnt stay put..
The formula stayed locked on target with cpu-z as far as vcore goes but froze daily if not hourly? Wonder if I could RMA it? I bought it used

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Whats your NB temps when your running Prime?

Please fill this in


Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting :
FSB Frequency :
FSB Strap to North Bridge :
PCI-E Frequency:
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-
DRAM Command Rate :
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency :
RAS# to CAS# Delay :
RAS# Precharge :
RAS# ActivateTime :
RAS# to RAS# Delay :
Row Refresh Cycle Time :
Write Recovery Time :
Read to Precharge Time :

Read to Write Delay (S/D) :
Write to Read Delay (S) :
Write to Read Delay (D) :
Read to Read Delay (S) :
Read to Read Delay (D) :
Write to Write Delay (S) :
Write to Write Delay (D) :
DRAM Static Read Control:
Ai Clock Twister :
Transaction Booster :

CPU Voltage :
CPU PLL Voltage :
North Bridge Voltage :
DRAM Voltage :
FSB Termination Voltage :
South Bridge Voltage :
Loadline Calibration :
CPU GTL Reference :
North Bridge GTL Reference :
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage :
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage :
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage :
SB 1.5V Voltage :

NB LED Selection : NB Volt
SB LED Selection : SB Volt
CPU LED Selection : CPU VOlt
Voltiminder LED :

CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

Advanced CPU Configuration
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting :
C1E Suppport : Disabled
CPU TM Function : Disabled
Vanderpool Technology : Disabled
Execute Disable Bit : Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit : Disabled

DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage :
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage :
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage :

Can I get some instie on how and when to tweak these settings and for what to where? I had them left to Auto for over a year and recently fixed to DDR2 REfand I only noticed it moved my DDR ref from 1.152 to 1.130. at some settings it would also auto to 1.20. Where do I want this to be concidering my types of high FSB OC and 5:6 divider?

Also, I have moved to the OCZ FLEX EX PC2-9600 and it the mobo appears to need some more tweaking to keep it stable at 1200MHz/2.256v in 5:6 at 500FSB. outside of lowering the trfc to 55, what can I do about the rest of the sub timings or learn more about them? Most notably, the secondary settings if any benifit is gained. My Primary settings are 6-6-6-3-55-6-3 Auto was 6-6-6-3-46-6-3.

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Originally Posted by Zucker2k

New BETA bios 0802 with CPU/NB SKEW DELAYS courtesy of A-Grey: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/525714/RA...rmula-0802.zip

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Can you please feedback on some of the tested workings of the RF hack and what is the latest non beta? Can we get directly from site or is it actually hacked spacifically for the MF or P5e respectively?

At anybody else;
What about the INF drivers? I'm currently on chipset INF v9.0.0.1008 since 06-02-08 (Intel general 4 & 3 series). I have an Intel server still on x38 and it has an updated driver above what I can find for the general 4 & 3 series on their site, yet for my Intel x38 mobo, it offers v9.1.0.1012 posted 01-06-09 for use w/ the Intel DX48BT2. I have the X38, DDR2 version of this.

Any ideas

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Originally Posted by Nuckin_Futs

DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage :
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage :
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage :

Can I get some instie on how and when to tweak these settings and for what to where? I had them left to Auto for over a year and recently fixed to DDR2 REfand I only noticed it moved my DDR ref from 1.152 to 1.130. at some settings it would also auto to 1.20. Where do I want this to be concidering my types of high FSB OC and 5:6 divider?

Also, I have moved to the OCZ FLEX EX PC2-9600 and it the mobo appears to need some more tweaking to keep it stable at 1200MHz/2.256v in 5:6 at 500FSB. outside of lowering the trfc to 55, what can I do about the rest of the sub timings or learn more about them? Most notably, the secondary settings if any benifit is gained. My Primary settings are 6-6-6-3-55-6-3 Auto was 6-6-6-3-46-6-3.

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You first question is over my head, maybe ask mikeyakame, he is an engineering student iirc.

Sub timings can be rather dreadfull to tweak and I'm no master of them.
What I do know is this ( get comfy its a long read but well worth your time to read it)

http://download.micron.com/pdf/techn...2/tn_47_01.pdf

If your having ram stability issues try setting tref at 65 and setting dram clock skew to advanced 100ps.

The new Rampage bios offers NB and CPU Clock Skew's. There very helpfull in getting high FSB stable and the NB clock skew will help with 8GB's for those suffering stability issues.

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The new Rampage bios offers NB and CPU Clock Skew's. There very helpfull in getting high FSB stable and the NB clock skew will help with 8GB's for those suffering stability issues.

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Way thanx on the fast reply, I will read through the guide later tonight.

As for the Rampage BIOS, I am just trying to find out how stable it is for real world daily use such as in full ACPI function like at least S3 & S4 (sleep & Hibenate). I cant seem to get anybody to answer this in over a year plus of hacking. If that will not function, I will hand this down and just get the real rampage since it's well half the cost of this when new.

Thankx again.

chew is that 3dmark06 score with 1 hd4870?

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chew is that 3dmark06 score with 1 hd4870?

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yah ;) note I had CCC open and there is no XFire tab.

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Whats your NB temps when your running Prime?

Please fill this in


Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting :
FSB Frequency :
FSB Strap to North Bridge :
PCI-E Frequency:
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-
DRAM Command Rate :
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency :
RAS# to CAS# Delay :
RAS# Precharge :
RAS# ActivateTime :
RAS# to RAS# Delay :
Row Refresh Cycle Time :
Write Recovery Time :
Read to Precharge Time :

Read to Write Delay (S/D) :
Write to Read Delay (S) :
Write to Read Delay (D) :
Read to Read Delay (S) :
Read to Read Delay (D) :
Write to Write Delay (S) :
Write to Write Delay (D) :
DRAM Static Read Control:
Ai Clock Twister :
Transaction Booster :

CPU Voltage :
CPU PLL Voltage :
North Bridge Voltage :
DRAM Voltage :
FSB Termination Voltage :
South Bridge Voltage :
Loadline Calibration :
CPU GTL Reference :
North Bridge GTL Reference :
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage :
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage :
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage :
SB 1.5V Voltage :

NB LED Selection : NB Volt
SB LED Selection : SB Volt
CPU LED Selection : CPU VOlt
Voltiminder LED :

CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

Advanced CPU Configuration
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting :
C1E Suppport : Disabled
CPU TM Function : Disabled
Vanderpool Technology : Disabled
Execute Disable Bit : Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit : Disabled

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Grn, Thanks for continued support, I Called ASUS this afternoon and went over my settings and temps w/ some tech guy in any case he issued me an RMA and is going to replace the Board :) was pretty painless but with all the issues I've been having and the fact that it was happening at stock settings with 2 different types of memory and even my old Q6600 installed it pretty much narrowed it down I guess :) In any case Ive got my old gigabyte board installed and running @4ghz stable for 24 hours so guess the board was bad :( Should have my new board w/in a couple weeks hopefully. I'll keep ya posted on the results who knows maybe they'll send me an upgraded board (wishful thinking but hey ya never know :)

viccan:up:

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Originally Posted by chew*

I would concur with grn as well ;) ALL AIR RESULTS.
You apparently just aren't using the right settings yet for your chip.

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Sorry, was referring to the q9650, I was able to get my q6600 over 4 as well. Nice results there!:clap:

nice chew.. i overlooked the ccc tab,, i was looking for a gpuz. that is a sweet score for 1 card.. i just finally got my 2 hd3870's to run and not get vpu recovery errors after a year of them dang errors.. they get about 750-800 less then that score with both of them on the stuff i have in my sig with stock card clocks... i may have to look into a upgrade on the video side of things now that i got them to work.. first i am going to try to play with their clocks a little so see if i can get them to 20 or 21k..

grn, better get that 4870x2 under water soon, I'm coming after it :D

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I always find the deals and hard to find hardware ;)

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grn, better get that 4870x2 under water soon, I'm coming after it :D


I always find the deals and hard to find hardware ;)

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Geebus thats a nice price:shocked:

Still waiting for stock...no stock soon and I'll order one from USA

Wow? Those stores are still open, I suppose I better get down there.

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grn, better get that 4870x2 under water soon, I'm coming after it :D

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Chew, Grn, you want a piece of me? :D Look in my sig. :yepp: Broke 27k with my x2 flashed to the Asus Top bios @ 832/1000.

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Originally Posted by pphx459

I would stay away from Crucials and this board, I've had about 3 pairs of the ballistix 8500's and they never worked correctly on this board. After switching to G.skill have not had a single issue for almost over a year.

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I can confirm the same also... Crucial gave me some really bad experiences with this board.

G.Skill = the good stuff :yepp:

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Originally Posted by Nuckin_Futs

DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage :
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage :
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage :

Can I get some instie on how and when to tweak these settings and for what to where? I had them left to Auto for over a year and recently fixed to DDR2 REfand I only noticed it moved my DDR ref from 1.152 to 1.130. at some settings it would also auto to 1.20. Where do I want this to be concidering my types of high FSB OC and 5:6 divider?

Also, I have moved to the OCZ FLEX EX PC2-9600 and it the mobo appears to need some more tweaking to keep it stable at 1200MHz/2.256v in 5:6 at 500FSB. outside of lowering the trfc to 55, what can I do about the rest of the sub timings or learn more about them? Most notably, the secondary settings if any benifit is gained. My Primary settings are 6-6-6-3-55-6-3 Auto was 6-6-6-3-46-6-3.

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DRAM reference voltages are only really useful above 1250mhz or if you are running 2.35V+ :D

DRAM CTL Ref works best with negative values, I use -20mV or -30mV in extreme cases, it helps to manage clock jitter at high Vdimm.

DRAM CHA/CHB Ref no matter what I set them to give inconsistent results period. I leave them on Auto, thats the only way they work correctly. Every bios I've used has been the same, they just work correctly on Auto and thats it.

your timings should be.

5-5-5-15-3-55-6-4 8-3-5-4-6-4-6 14-5-1-6-6

secondaries can be changed to 9-4-5-4-6-4-6 if stability is an issue. If you change tRTW to 9, lower tWR by 1 since both those timings are write recovery turnarounds.

Secondary timings are for consecutive bursts thats why there is very little to gain on 2GB sticks, there are too many banks which means longer Refresh Cycle turnarounds, longer Write Recovery turnarounds, etc for same rank if the burst (read followed by write, write followed by write, read followed by read, write followed by read, write followed by precharge, read followed by precharge, and so on) requires access to data from more than 4 banks in same rank. tFAW (four-bank activation window) is the timing responsible for this, and it is not adjustable.

Try that as a starting point for 1200mhz.
The most gains from secondary come from changing tRTW (8) lower if you can get it to run error free that is. You can always compensate by doing, tRTW = 7, tWR=7 you will gain a little bandwidth that way.

You'll find 2GB sticks don't have much room for adjustment on secondary and tertiary timings, they work best near default. 1GB sticks respond much better with tight secondary/tertiary timings.

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Originally Posted by Zucker2k

Chew, Grn, you want a piece of me? :D Look in my sig. :yepp: Broke 27k with my x2 flashed to the Asus Top bios @ 832/1000.

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I'll give ya a go, probably going for a DI run this weekend, May need LN2 to top ya though. I might have to dig deep in to my pocket of tricks to catch you on DI. FYI they do 700/1200 maxxed out ccc already.21,7K @4.0g not optimixed no tweaks, air :D

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Originally Posted by chew*

I'll give ya a go, probably going for a DI run this weekend, May need LN2 to top ya though. I might have to dig deep in to my pocket of tricks to catch you on DI. FYI they do 700/1200 maxxed out ccc already.21,7K @4.0g not optimixed no tweaks, air :D

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To be fair, you'll have to show some of those tweaks :) You already have an advantage by going extreme cooling. I'm only on water. :p:

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Originally Posted by Zucker2k

Chew, Grn, you want a piece of me? :D Look in my sig. :yepp: Broke 27k with my x2 flashed to the Asus Top bios @ 832/1000.

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I can do 24500 with NO oc on the gpu, cant overclock the GPU yet cause of the lack of proper cooling.
Its -30c here today so I have extreme cooling if I open the window :rofl:
Theres a single 4870 at work that might migrate to my house for a little tri fire run. Getting pissed about the lack of proper cooling.
My new case, cpu block and rads are here, just need the :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing gpu block to get things up and going. Want to start my i7 build shortly if the tax man is not to hard on me.

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Originally Posted by Zucker2k

To be fair, you'll have to show some of those tweaks :) You already have an advantage by going extreme cooling. I'm only on water. :p:

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Allrighty anything goes :D I may need to harness the power of hybrid with my 4870 and 1 4850 ;)

after playing with the e8500 at 420x9.5 for a few days i wanted to see if it would do anything.. posted windows at 465x9.5 cpu 1.26/1.23 real and fsbt 1.30/1.22 real.. it wouldn't go untill i upped those volts a little from the 4.0 settings but only a little and it posted windows no problem.. since the air cooling i have is pretty much maxed out at 4.0 and the and idle temps went up from 38 to 41 degrees i shut it back down and went back to 420x9.5 untill i get water cooling for it.. once i do i think it will be on like donkey kong..

I could use a little advice on pushing this farther. It's having some stability problems at 4.2GHz. It can run small ffts for a while, but blend fails in less than 5 minutes. Safe to assume I got something wrong with the ram or mobo settings. Hopefully someone can spot something I am missing.
E8600 E0 @ 1.262v, apogee block, 100% load temps ~42-47C
Maximus Formula SE 1207 bios
G.Skill PC2-6400 HZ (D9GMH) 4-4-4-12 @ 2.0v Worked great on my old Abit AW9D at 420-430MHz.
Seasonic S12-650W
2x HD3870
120GB sata 3.0 HDD, CD-RW, DVD-ROM

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Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 10
FSB Frequency : 421
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 400
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: DDR2- 842
DRAM Command Rate : T2
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 4
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 4
RAS# Precharge : 4
RAS# ActivateTime : 12
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 40
Write Recovery Time : 8
Read to Precharge Time : 3

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 8
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6
DRAM Static Read Control: A
Ai Clock Twister : A
Transaction Booster : A

CPU Voltage : 1.2620
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.5
North Bridge Voltage : 1.31
DRAM Voltage : 2.00
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.40
South Bridge Voltage : 1.075
Loadline Calibration : E
CPU GTL Reference : A
North Bridge GTL Reference : A
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : A
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : A
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : A
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.5

NB LED Selection : NB Volt
SB LED Selection : SB Volt
CPU LED Selection : CPU VOlt
Voltiminder LED :

CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

Advanced CPU Configuration
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting :
C1E Suppport : Disabled
CPU TM Function : Disabled
Vanderpool Technology : Disabled
Execute Disable Bit : Enabled
Max CPUID Value Limit : Disabled


USB Configuration
USB Functions: Enabled
Legacy USB Support : Enabled

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i would disable loadline calibration set the cpu volts at auto and fsbt volts at auto nb volts at auto and restart go right back into bios then see what they say.. work from there.. keep cpu and fsbt volts closer together.. 1.40 fsbt is quite a bit at that clock especially with the cpu volts being that much lower... i would say right from the get go that the nb volts need to be 1.47-1.51.. to get anything above stock speeds stable. my guess is that you should be able to hit that clock with both cpu and fsbt closer to 1.26-1.28 cpu and 1.28-1.30 fsbt. another thing is my 2x2 corsair 4,4,4,12 6400 gave me errors at anything above their rated speed but they liked the looser timings on this board on the 400 strap 5,5,5,18, tested them at 1066-1081-1119 speed with the recomended volts and dram static read enabled, ai clock strong, transaction booster disabled (0) performance level 7.. passed hours of tests at those settings but would fail at 4,4,4,12 at right around rated speeds even going up or down on their recomended volts a little. (EDIT) here are my settings for mine at 9.5x420 100% stable on air with loadline disabled.. vcore 1.26875-1.232 real.. cpu pll 1.50-1.623 real.. north bridge 1.51-1.552 real.. fsbt 1.30-1.232 real.. south bridge 1.050-1.088 real... dram 2.08-2.208 real,, 4x1 crucial ballistix double sided in it now 5-5-5-18-3-50-6-3-8-3-5-4-6-4-6 @ 1119 on the 400 strap.. again dram static read enabled, ai clock strong, transaction booster disabled (0) performance level 7

I had been stable at 4.1 with slightly lower vNB & vcore. I raised the vNB to 1.41v, lowered FSBt to 1.28v & it seems better.

Trying 4.3ghz (10x431) w/ 1.28vcore, 1.30v FSBt, 1.45vNB.

loften, I'm not understanding everything you say.

My Northbridge is perfectly stable at ~1.4V (1.39V set in BIOS), with a dual core and two sticks of RAM. Since his 2GB has less address space for the MCH to handle than my 4GB, there's no way he needs at least 1.47-1.51V for stability. This is using a 400MHz strap, but I think a 333MHz strap works fine too. My RAM isn't so good, so I use a 400MHz strap and lighter timings and performance levels for that stuff.

Also, my E8600 is running on a Maximus Formula at 4.5GHz with the FSB Termination at only .05V above the Intel recommendation of 1.15V. It's set to 1.3V, which results in ~1.2V. It does 4.0GHz at stock FSB termination. It may even do 4.5GHz at stock FSB Termination. I don't know. I haven't tried it.

I was under the assumption that FSB termination and CPU PLL is really only important for quad cores, at least not on dual cores until really high FSB speeds.

I do have Loadline Calibration enabled. It lets me get away with less voltage at idle, and voltages seem to stay the same under load and at idle (it'll go up from 1.376V to 1.384V every here and there, but it stays under 1.4V I have set in BIOS for it never to go over).

Am I missing something? I don't understand the every detail of every setting, but my values are way lower than you're suggesting, and it works.

i am new to the 45 nm so maybe i shouldn't be giving any advise especially if it may be wrong... you guys got it good with your boards to run such low volts on your nb... mine won't on either sets of ram i have, 4x1 or 2x2. i will say with loadline enabled i can get away with lower volts on both cpu and fsbt. right about where yours is. v droop, i read a couple articles about loadline enabled on 45nm causing issues not under load at idle or coming down from load.. i do know his fsbt was way up there more then normal for a 45 nm.. with loadline disabled my real volts are only a little higher then they were set before with it enabeled even though they are set a little higher in the bios settings now there is only a little difference between the way they are @ real volts. my temps didn't change and i feel much safer especially reading about loadline being enabled may cause problems with 45nm..

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loften, I'm not understanding everything you say.

My Northbridge is perfectly stable at ~1.4V (1.39V set in BIOS), with a dual core and two sticks of RAM. Since his 2GB has less address space for the MCH to handle than my 4GB, there's no way he needs at least 1.47-1.51V for stability. This is using a 400MHz strap, but I think a 333MHz strap works fine too. My RAM isn't so good, so I use a 400MHz strap and lighter timings and performance levels for that stuff.

Also, my E8600 is running on a Maximus Formula at 4.5GHz with the FSB Termination at only .05V above the Intel recommendation of 1.15V. It's set to 1.3V, which results in ~1.2V. It does 4.0GHz at stock FSB termination. It may even do 4.5GHz at stock FSB Termination. I don't know. I haven't tried it.

I was under the assumption that FSB termination and CPU PLL is really only important for quad cores, at least not on dual cores until really high FSB speeds.

I do have Loadline Calibration enabled. It lets me get away with less voltage at idle, and voltages seem to stay the same under load and at idle (it'll go up from 1.376V to 1.384V every here and there, but it stays under 1.4V I have set in BIOS for it never to go over).

Am I missing something? I don't understand the every detail of every setting, but my values are way lower than you're suggesting, and it works.

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Different straps, PL level and trans booster will effect the MCH and how much volts it will require for stability.
Alot of ppl here will tell you high NB volts, but its is not required for some boards, mine only needed 1.45 for 489FSB 333 strap PL7 with ram running 1175MHz.
Alot of guys will over volt the hell out of everyting and call it a day, I preferr to find the lowest stable setting.

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Trying 4.3ghz (10x431) w/ 1.28vcore, 1.30v FSBt, 1.45vNB.

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Sadly, that wasn't stable. I'll get back to testing this weekend though.

Hows the new BETA BIOS 0802???

No clue haven't tried it but if its like most of the newer bios its not for me.

I barely have time to play with this rig anymore.

I have managed to flash my Maximus to Rampage 0802. I am using a QX6700 and the 1st thing i notice is that i can run at much lower voltages.

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=508970


http://valid.canardpc.com/cache/screenshot/508970.png

http://valid.canardpc.com/cache/banner/508970.png

If any one can tell me how to get to 3.8Ghz i will be extremly happy..
I have tried lots of things with out luck.

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Continued crashing ? Not sure why?? I tried upping the voltage dropping the voltage same w/ NB/SB/ RAM even everything set to auto continued to be a problem!
Went back to Old Gigabyte GA-X-38-DQ6 motherboard it has been running Prime95 stable 14hrs+ as I have obtained 3.8 only thing that bothers me about this board is its vcore jumps around under cpuz even with loadline cal enabled?? I have no idea why yet the asus board was rock solid voltage no matter where I set it? I might invest in a DFI board soon if this gives me any probs? Thus far it seems stable as a pyramid @ 3.8ghz ran 4 ghz for about an hour but couldn't find stable setting so dropped to 3.8 and hey Im ok with that for now, though DFI might be the answer?? Not sure why the asus max formula kept freezing real shame as I like the board and it bios immensely :(

viccan

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http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...spx?i=3184&p=6

Loadline Calibration may be crippling your stability.

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Imagine our confusion as we desperately struggle to understand why our system is Prime95 stable for days yet continues to crash under absolutely no load.

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I have a QX9650 arriving from newegg tomorrow so I'll have more too contribute on Maximus Formula + QX9650 findings in a couple of days.

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http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...spx?i=3184&p=6

Loadline Calibration may be crippling your stability.



I have a QX9650 arriving from newegg tomorrow so I'll have more too contribute on Maximus Formula + QX9650 findings in a couple of days.

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Please tell me newegg sent you that chip for free. If not, send it back and get a Q9650. You can use the balance for a whole host of other components, including a Rampage Formula x48. Just a friendly advice. :up:

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Please tell me newegg sent you that chip for free. If not, send it back and get a Q9650. You can use the balance for a whole host of other components, including a Rampage Formula x48. Just a friendly advice. :up:

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It's a Q9650 lol sorry about the $700 dollar typo, I even had to double check my order. :)

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It's a Q9650 lol sorry about the $700 dollar typo, I even had to double check my order. :)

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Please do keep us informed when you get your Q9650.

I recently got one and with the mobo on 1302 bios (not rampage modded) I can't get anything stable over 3.6 GHz in windows. The CPU is watercooled with D-tek fuzion and MCR-220 rad. TH north bridge is also indcluded in the loop.

Also, on any cpu temp monitoring tool, I get core 1 that is higher than all the other cores. Is this normal? I even took the block off and re-clean, re seated, re-pasted AS5 and re installed the block on but still getting on core higher. Happens idling or loaded

For e.g. it would be like ;
core 1 = 42 Deg C
core 2 = 35 Deg C
core 3 = 37 Deg C
core 4 = 35 Deg C

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Originally Posted by MUYA

Please do keep us informed when you get your Q9650.

I recently got one and with the mobo on 1302 bios (not rampage modded) I can't get anything stable over 3.6 GHz in windows. The CPU is watercooled with D-tek fuzion and MCR-220 rad. TH north bridge is also indcluded in the loop.

Also, on any cpu temp monitoring tool, I get core 1 that is higher than all the other cores. Is this normal? I even took the block off and re-clean, re seated, re-pasted AS5 and re installed the block on but still getting on core higher. Happens idling or loaded

For e.g. it would be like ;
core 1 = 42 Deg C
core 2 = 35 Deg C
core 3 = 37 Deg C
core 4 = 35 Deg C

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X38 chipset is 45nm quad limited