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08-11-2008, 09:00 PM
freakgeek1337

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NaeKuh

no i dont think i'll become normal after that experience.

When your in Grinchville, nothing is normal... Including you...:rofl:
08-11-2008, 09:02 PM
gabe

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikhsub1

Cross post with Gabe... I think I'll just do 5 runs with my mount (as all other blocks have been tested) and then 5 with the OEM mount... will also tell me if the mount provides any benefit.

As a fair review protocole to any product, I suggest that a product ought to be tested as shipped by the manufacturer first, the results noted, then tested under different conditions at the reviewers discretion.
08-12-2008, 03:26 AM
Xilikon

Quote:

Originally Posted by gabe

As a fair review protocole to any product, I suggest that a product ought to be tested as shipped by the manufacturer first, the results noted, then tested under different conditions at the reviewers discretion.

Another way is for the reviewers to withhold the results until both methods is fully tested then the numbers released at the same time. This will help avoid speculations and false expectations.

I'm looking forward for the results and I'm happy to hear who will get a sample, those are great choices :up:
08-12-2008, 03:35 AM
Yozzman

Nice!
Like to see the result's of martin's roundup! :D
08-12-2008, 03:46 AM
Movieman

Any device should first be tested as designed for normal use.
Then after those numbers are acquired one can look to see if any improvements can or should be made.
If you reverse that you can screw up what the manufacturer has much time into and not present a fair review.
Do it stock first, then mod the hell out of it to see if you can make it better BUT the review itself should be based on stock.

If you afterwards get better numbers modded, send them to the manufacturer.
They are human too and possible you found something they missed.
That way everyone wins and this process becomes a joint venture working together.
08-12-2008, 04:29 AM
Pellepel

Nice, can't wait for the results.
08-12-2008, 05:23 AM
Martinm210

Great discussion!

I'm going to spend some time reviewing both ways, stock as shipped "Package as a whole tested" as well as my usual hold mounting hardware/pressure constant "Block only tested". It does mean a heck of alot more work, but considering we probably have a large percentage of first time buyers, you probably should look at it both ways. This will give you both what you might expect as shipped and be a good tool in evaluating mounting mechanism performances. There is a big difference in the accessories you get with different blocks and that's a good way to bring that into it as well.

Time to cut a hole in the MB tray...:D
08-12-2008, 07:42 AM
nikhsub1

LOL @Andy... OK, will test as supplied by Swiftech FIRST, without even opening the block up. Then I will do the 5 mounts like I've done with every other block.
08-12-2008, 11:25 AM
gabe

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikhsub1

LOL @Andy... OK, will test as supplied by Swiftech FIRST, without even opening the block up. Then I will do the 5 mounts like I've done with every other block.

thanks guys.

note 1: when testing "as supplied", your 5 mounts method is perfectly appropriate, and in fact recommended. It is the very same method we employ. We do find variations between mounts and safe for gross inattention on the part of the operator, they are discrete, but measurable nonetheless.

note 2: the screws are designed with a stop so that they bottom out a few tenths above the motherboard. therefore they should be fastened all the way down. spring tension is quite firm, reason why we use this large thumb nuts to ease the fastening process.

please make sure you bottom out the screws, or you will lose some perf.
08-12-2008, 11:37 AM
Xilikon

Quote:

Originally Posted by gabe

thanks guys.

note 1: when testing "as supplied", your 5 mounts method is perfectly appropriate, and in fact recommended. It is the very same method we employ. We do find variations between mounts and safe for gross inattention on the part of the operator, they are discrete, but measurable nonetheless.

note 2: the screws are designed with a stop so that they bottom out a few tenths above the motherboard. therefore they should be fastened all the way down. spring tension is quite firm, reason why we use this large thumb nuts to ease the fastening process.

please make sure you bottom out the screws, or you will lose some perf.

Same as the D-Tek pro mount, which require to bottom out the screws to the backplate stop for best performance. This also help with mounting consistency.
08-12-2008, 01:42 PM
gabe

The Apogee GTZ has now been released.

all the information has now been published on our site.
08-12-2008, 01:54 PM
iowamoe300

Man this looks freaking sweet! Crossing fingers that Gary @ sidewinder computers gets his shipment tomorrow or Thurs so I can have mine to install over the weekend!
08-12-2008, 02:08 PM
BlueAqua

Quote:

Originally Posted by gabe

all the information has now been published on our site.

Very excited! Thanks Gabe. When do you plan on selling them on the Swiftech website? I couldn't find it.
08-12-2008, 02:10 PM
faster3200

Quote:

Originally Posted by gabe

all the information has now been published on our site.

Thanks :up:.

According to the data on the site it should be better performing than the EK and less restrictive. If independent testing shows this to be true than this is quite a block :clap:.
08-12-2008, 02:44 PM
Fr3ak

The design looks promising. I just finished my roundup of 17 CPU blocks. Hopefully the GTZ will come to Germany in time =)

For the record: I also test every block with the mounting it comes with. That's the way most endusers will be using the block, though selfmade mounting might improve performance on some blocks.
08-12-2008, 02:45 PM
gabe

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueAqua

Very excited! Thanks Gabe. When do you plan on selling them on the Swiftech website? I couldn't find it.

A new water-block release is quite a special opportunity, and we have to give our network of dealers -who have been supporting our brand for close to 10 years, priority in serving the end-users; Even if we placed the product on our site, we couldn't ship direct yet as we are too busy shipping wholesale; so we send product to dealers first, and then we'll put the product online.
08-12-2008, 03:21 PM
Martinm210

Very nice! I really appreciate the c/w and comparative data on the website, very very happy to see that...this gives me something to compare with as I do my own. I've done the same thing in the past on pressure drop testing and it's been really nice to have another result to compare against.

It's simply refreshing to see performance data on the manufacturer websites...thanks!
08-12-2008, 04:43 PM
twwen2

Sweet. Thanks again gabe. I'm looking forward to seeing our in-house XS testing done soon!
08-12-2008, 08:49 PM
Utnorris

It looks promising, wish it came in acrylic for the bling factor, but you can't have everything. :D

Utnorris
08-13-2008, 03:57 AM
fatman

when do yall think we can expect some reviews?
08-13-2008, 04:52 AM
Mankz_91

http://specialtech.co.uk/spshop/cust...productid=6451

Starting to show up on UK websites..
08-13-2008, 05:19 AM
BlueAqua

Available for pre-order at one of my favorite retailers:

http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/swapgtzexpew.html
08-13-2008, 05:28 AM
Martinm210

Isn't this correct for a quad core but off 90 for a dual core, or does it not really matter that much?

http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/sidew...ters/gtz10.gif
Socket triangle would be in the lower right corner.
http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/sidew...ters/gtz11.jpg

On a dual core, the cores line up horizontal in the above picture.
http://www.arcticsilver.com/pdf/appi..._dual_wcap.pdf
08-13-2008, 07:13 AM
muddocktor

Sidewinder Computers is showing Aug 14 as the date they receive theirs. I placed my order this morning for one. :D I just read about this block this morning on OCForums and went checking things out.

I plan to test on 2 different systems. My main rig is a U2-UFO case running a QX9650@4100 with a Fuzion v1 /with quad nozzle and MCW60 on a 8800GTS G92 with a PA120.3 and double fan heater core; pump is an Iwaki MD 20RTZ for the loop and the second system is an old Antec SX1200 case with an E6300@3500 with a Storm Rev 2 and PA160; pump is an Eheim 1250. I figure this should give some performance numbers for both high pressure pumps and med/low pressure pumps and also quad and dual core numbers too.
08-13-2008, 07:36 AM
nikhsub1

Hey mudd! So Andy you already got yours? Hmm, I guess mine will show up soon then :D
08-13-2008, 08:26 AM
Aldy402

anxiously waiting your results mcoffey
thanks for the pics...
08-13-2008, 08:29 AM
gabe

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martinm210

Isn't this correct for a quad core but off 90 for a dual core, or does it not really matter that much?

http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/sidew...ters/gtz10.gif
Socket triangle would be in the lower right corner.
http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/sidew...ters/gtz11.jpg

On a dual core, the cores line up horizontal in the above picture.
http://www.arcticsilver.com/pdf/appi..._dual_wcap.pdf

from our web site:

"Mechanical design of the copper base plate is optimized for Intel® socket LGA 775 and 771. The assembly features a patent pending design characterized by a topographically mapped CPU contact area which results in a 75% and up to 300% improvement in TIM joint thermal resistance compared to the Apogee™ GT/GTX series. Other types of sockets such as AMD® socket F, AM2, and 940 as well as upcoming sockets similar in design to that of socket 775 may also benefit from the enhanced contact area."

we are NOT talking about cores gentlemen, we are talking about TIM. Please keep that in mind. The orientation of this waterblock is socket specific, not core specific.
08-13-2008, 08:33 AM
Movieman

Gabe:
I'm looking and missing where the mounts would be for socket771.
Are my old eyes that bad.
Thanks..

OOPS, forget it, I see them..
Had to see the one pic where the mounting screws weren't in place..
Nice looking WB and I have these 2 cpu's that are just crying out for this..
X5470's.. yea, I know, they don't exist..but they do.
Think a dual E8600 on each wafer, then 2 on the board..
3333/12mb/1333 120 w 10 multi E0 stepping..
BEASTS!:D
08-13-2008, 08:55 AM
Movieman

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcoffey

Check my pic of the box side Dave,

The 771 (Xeon) mount and holdown plate is availible seperately. I believe Gabe was speaking about the way the base plate mechanically matches up with the IHS and core on a 775/771 which are the same within the same series of chips.

andyc

Different plate?
Those aren't the mounts for 771 I see in your pic above with just the two red hoses attached?
08-13-2008, 09:15 AM
scottc19

Im dying to know if this will surpass the dtek v2. I know your trying hard to get this done, but do you have an estimate of when you will know the results?
08-13-2008, 09:45 AM
NaeKuh

martin or andy.
can one of you guys open it up and please take the dimentions of the middle base pins.
I want to see if this is neha compatable since neha has a larger die.

:T

http://www.swiftech.com/assets/image...pin-matrix.jpg

I need that middle square dimentions. From the looks of it, it might be too small. :X
08-13-2008, 10:08 AM
evil-98

Quote:

Originally Posted by NaeKuh

martin or andy.
can one of you guys open it up and please take the dimentions of the middle base pins.
I want to see if this is neha compatable since neha has a larger die.

:T

I need that middle square dimentions. From the looks of it, it might be too small. :X

estimating from the size of the base which is 2" x 2" looks to be around a .75" square
08-13-2008, 10:16 AM
NaeKuh

Quote:

Originally Posted by evil-98

estimating from the size of the base which is 2" x 2" looks to be around a .75" square

thanks...

i was thinkn around that also.

Gabe did you guys estimate for neha?
Cuz it might be too small as it is.

You saw the size comparisions of it right?

As you can see from a picture from JCornel:
http://en.expreview.com/img/2008/02/26/Neh_1_1.jpg

its much bigger and its not square.

And it looks bigger in real life. Trust me, when you hold the chip, the first thing you say is WOW this puppys BIG.
08-13-2008, 10:55 AM
Eternalightwith

Are you going to offer copper tops?

I like shiny metal look. Like the copper top from the GTX. by the way, could I replace GTZ top with GTX top?
08-13-2008, 11:08 AM
NaeKuh

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eternalightwith

I like shiny metal look. Like the copper top from the GTX. by the way, could I replace GTZ top with GTX top?

i hope your talking about the copper top.

If you meant the alu top, your gonna get lynched cuz gabe went though hell on the original GTX from all of us.
08-13-2008, 11:15 AM
Eternalightwith

yes ... you even quoted it.;)
08-13-2008, 12:13 PM
silverphoenix

a copper top with a gunmetal nickel plating would look slick!! but that's 2nd for me I can't wait for results.
08-13-2008, 12:24 PM
roofsniper

Quote:

Originally Posted by silverphoenix

a copper top with a gunmetal nickel plating would look slick!! but that's 2nd for me I can't wait for results.

ya i am finally ready to buy my watercooling system that i designed months ago and now the gtz comes out and there hasn't been any testing on the fuzion gfx2 (to my knowledge) so it looks like ill have to wait :P. looks like a really nice block tho.
08-13-2008, 01:03 PM
NaeKuh

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eternalightwith

yes ... you even quoted it.;)

ack sorry im having a hell of a day at work.
busy going in and out.

Still gonna wait for messurements. I think i may have to skip this block if its not neha friendly.
08-13-2008, 01:10 PM
eXa

Even if the GTX top fit im not shure if it would hold the nozzle thingy in place properly...
08-13-2008, 01:19 PM
NaeKuh

Quote:

Originally Posted by eXa

Even if the GTX top fit im not shure if it would hold the nozzle thingy in place properly...

it couldnt.

im seeing a part that goes inbetween that looks like an injector of some sort.
08-13-2008, 01:27 PM
evil-98

"taking a seat"
08-13-2008, 01:28 PM
NaeKuh

thanks andy when you can i'd really apreciate those messurements as well.
08-13-2008, 01:33 PM
scottc19

now everyone is glued to the screen hitting refresh every 10 seconds...lol
08-13-2008, 01:36 PM
NaeKuh

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottc19

now everyone is glued to the screen hitting refresh every 10 seconds...lol

not really.

The block will perform within 2-3C either better or worse then the EK.

Im more waiting on martin's flow test to see what the drop is. Next gen top tier gaming machines will be dual socket. 2-3C wont matter squat when your cooling 2 processors. Its the pressure drop that should be more of a concern.

Having 2 supremes wont help you in that area. Well not unless your like me and you know how to plan it.
08-13-2008, 01:39 PM
Xilikon

Toss some popcorn my way, I'm sitting on a pack of beer :)
08-13-2008, 01:58 PM
skinnee

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xilikon

I'm sitting on a pack of beer :)

Is that the new method of cooling fart_plume talked you all into with his biological cooling references?
08-13-2008, 02:10 PM
Xilikon

Quote:

Originally Posted by skinnee

Is that the new method of cooling fart_plume talked you all into with his biological cooling references?

shhh...
08-13-2008, 02:17 PM
eXa

That long?

Ah i see, u wasted time hugging ur wife and smoking.... :mad:

:p:
08-13-2008, 02:18 PM
twwen2

Great work andy, keep at it! :cool:
08-13-2008, 02:20 PM
scottc19

Quote:

Originally Posted by NaeKuh

not really.

The block will perform within 2-3C either better or worse then the EK.

Im more waiting on martin's flow test to see what the drop is. Next gen top tier gaming machines will be dual socket. 2-3C wont matter squat when your cooling 2 processors. Its the pressure drop that should be more of a concern.

Having 2 supremes wont help you in that area. Well not unless your like me and you know how to plan it.

You mean the dtek v2, that still pulls ahead of the ek from what I have seen
08-13-2008, 02:23 PM
NaeKuh

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottc19

You mean the dtek v2, that still pulls ahead of the ek from what I have seen

:rofl:

in your own world my friend. EK > D-tek. Can we just end it?

My EK will probably spank this GTZ even. Well im using custom accelerators. :rofl:

My Cuplex will probably beat this GTZ as well, thats if martin finished stepping it.

Gabe you need to step the block and not bow it. Scott definitely discovered a winner.

Only problem tho, once stepped the block can never be used on neha since the die package is different.
08-13-2008, 02:29 PM
scottc19

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcoffey

yeah,

I'm with NeaKuh on that one. Only in some parallel universe would the V2 beat a Supreme.

andyc

Really? Well my bad. Which one would be better if I also have my gpu mcw60 in the loop?
08-13-2008, 02:32 PM
eXa

What! :eek:

Well well.... just get going :p:
08-13-2008, 02:45 PM
Martinm210

Quote:

Originally Posted by gabe

from our web site:

"Mechanical design of the copper base plate is optimized for Intel® socket LGA 775 and 771. The assembly features a patent pending design characterized by a topographically mapped CPU contact area which results in a 75% and up to 300% improvement in TIM joint thermal resistance compared to the Apogee™ GT/GTX series. Other types of sockets such as AMD® socket F, AM2, and 940 as well as upcoming sockets similar in design to that of socket 775 may also benefit from the enhanced contact area."

we are NOT talking about cores gentlemen, we are talking about TIM. Please keep that in mind. The orientation of this waterblock is socket specific, not core specific.

Thanks for the clarification, I've just noticed on some other blocks that generaly the orientation of the nozzles needed to match the core orientation for optimum cooling so I assumed this would be the same. It doesn't matter for the quad which is what I'm testing anyhow.
08-13-2008, 02:56 PM
Martinm210

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcoffey

yeah,

I'm with NeaKuh on that one. Only in some parallel universe would the V2 beat a Supreme.

andyc

Have you guys tried a thicker o-ring in the V2 as a modified block test?

I've got one in mine, and need to go back and run stock now, but I think the additional bowing helps a fair amount.

It also probably depends on the TIM material used. The TIM consultants TC Grease 0098 stuff seems to a metter TIM interface that some of the others I've tried and showing less gain on bowing than non-bowed blocks. It's pretty thick stuff though, and I've had to adopt a spread thin method for consistent and optimal performance with it.

Anyhow, my GTZ sample won't be here for a couple more days, I'm sitting here with popcorn too...Actually I've got 8 block sets of runs done and still have several to go and several modified tests I want to run as part of my review package. Then I've got to go back and retest the "As Shipped" which is going to take a while and a little case modification work to add to the list.

Are you done...yet?...:D
08-13-2008, 03:10 PM
NaeKuh

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcoffey

One thing I did notice, the quad core insert is worthless on the V2. I have to go back a run another couple of mounts with the insert to be sure, now that I have the new temp monitoring set up (thanks to your direction and advice), but everything I've seen so far suggests worse performance using the insert. At least on a Yorkie.

Have you seen that also?

andyc

nozzles are missing the cores then on the yorkfield.

planning was done on kentsfield then, and the smaller yorkfield package is missing the injector path.
08-13-2008, 03:11 PM
Martinm210

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcoffey

One thing I did notice, the quad core insert is worthless on the V2. I have to go back a run another couple of mounts with the insert to be sure, now that I have the new temp monitoring set up (thanks to your direction and advice), but everything I've seen so far suggests worse performance using the insert. At least on a Yorkie.

Have you seen that also?

andyc

Havn't tested it yet, only stock with the EK oring. I still have a few more stock runs to do, then I'm moving onto the "Overclocked" Nozzle/Bowing/Stepping" experiements..:D
08-13-2008, 03:21 PM
nikhsub1

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcoffey

yeah,

I'm with NeaKuh on that one. Only in some parallel universe would the V2 beat a Supreme.

andyc

I've yet to see this, but meh, I'm sure my EK is borked. I mean, it tests worse than the 6002.
08-13-2008, 03:49 PM
Martinm210

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcoffey

LOL...yeah, you have to keep it fresh and fun. Thank God I don't have to drain my loop or wait for it to bleed anymore. I couldn't take much more of that.
Meet the triplets. Moe, Larry and Curley. Shimps on the bench:D
andyc

Yeah, I did something similar, but just some Zurn 3/4" hosebarb brass globe valves. If you look down the opening of these guys when open, there is no restriction at all. Then all I have to do is blip a few bubbles into the reservoir and I'm off and running again.

This also allows me to pull the entire loop away from the case when switching out blocks. Me and spilling go hand in hand...so over the workbench is much better than over the MB.

Now I just need to work on a techstation or horizontal case someday.....:D

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/5...testingmm5.jpg
08-13-2008, 04:22 PM
twwen2

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martinm210

Now I just need to work on a techstation or horizontal case someday.....:D
[/IMG]

http://www.microcool.it/english/101prod.html

You know you want it ;):D
08-13-2008, 04:26 PM
NaeKuh

Quote:

Originally Posted by twwen2

http://www.microcool.it/english/101prod.html

You know you want it ;):D

oh dayam i want that.

okey so who do i need to kill in blingsville to get one? :rofl:
08-13-2008, 04:34 PM
Webby

From the website North American retailers

http://www.microcool.it/english/NordAmerica.html

include Sidewinder, frozen CPU and performance PCs
08-13-2008, 04:38 PM
inonefly

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcoffey

One thing I did notice, the quad core insert is worthless on the V2. I have to go back a run another couple of mounts with the insert to be sure, now that I have the new temp monitoring set up (thanks to your direction and advice), but everything I've seen so far suggests worse performance using the insert. At least on a Yorkie.

Have you seen that also?

andyc

I removed my v2 quad insert last week, I run prime95 for 2 hrs and recorded the temp, then removed the insert and bleed, prime95 2 hrs, I got the same load temp but that's with 2c room temp rise, so i think the quad insert provides worse result on a quad ( q6600 3.6@1.36v)--at least in my setup.
08-13-2008, 04:49 PM
NaeKuh

Quote:

Originally Posted by Webby

From the website North American retailers

http://www.microcool.it/english/NordAmerica.html

include Sidewinder, frozen CPU and performance PCs

Gary carries it?

Then its mine.

Hank does not have that. I should know, when im bored i always go though his site since he's one of the largest. :rofl:

Edit: i have just emailed gary asking him to special order me one. So when i get it i'll show it off. :up:

Hehe.. dont underestimate my budget on computer parts. :rofl:
08-13-2008, 05:19 PM
NaeKuh

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcoffey

Just checked all 3 and didn't see it in stock or that they carried it. I did just send a email to SW. I'd imagine it will cost a pretty penny though. With something as functional and nice looking as that, who'd want a case.

andyc

:rofl: :up:

i found the replacement to my MM.

Dont let R3 hear me say that tho.

If Gary can special order it. Its so mine.

Andy did you check out my lastest usless purchase? :rofl:
08-13-2008, 05:24 PM
Xilikon

Quote:

Originally Posted by NaeKuh

nozzles are missing the cores then on the yorkfield.

planning was done on kentsfield then, and the smaller yorkfield package is missing the injector path.

I'm curious to have the definitive data backing this claim. If it really does, I'll have to put the stock midplate back on my v2 which is cooling my Yorkfield Q9450.
08-13-2008, 05:30 PM
Martinm210

Quote:

Originally Posted by twwen2

http://www.microcool.it/english/101prod.html

You know you want it ;):D

Now why did you have to go do that....been going through keyboards left and right around here...need a waterproof one..!!:yepp:
08-13-2008, 05:40 PM
gillbot

Quote:

Originally Posted by NaeKuh

Gary carries it?

Then its mine.

Hank does not have that. I should know, when im bored i always go though his site since he's one of the largest. :rofl:

Edit: i have just emailed gary asking him to special order me one. So when i get it i'll show it off. :up:

Hehe.. dont underestimate my budget on computer parts. :rofl:

:shakes::shocked:
08-13-2008, 05:42 PM
gillbot

http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/Micr...asts/5980.html
08-13-2008, 05:53 PM
nikhsub1

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcoffey

Oh my,

I think I just felt something happen to me.

ROFL, Andy seriously, I was in a car wreck and my back is killing me. Please now :rofl::ROTF:
08-13-2008, 06:04 PM
Xilikon

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcoffey

You can test it yourself right? That way you can see which plate works best with your loop.

Just a thought,

andyc

Yeah, I know but I'm being lazy :rofl: At least, give me some slack since I started training last monday (need to get up to shape).

I will probably do it when I have time to do a full disassembly for cleaning then see if it improve with the stock nozzle.
08-13-2008, 06:37 PM
twwen2

Oh noes now look what i've done! I gave nikhsub1 a bad back and something's happened to andy!:eek: :rofl::rofl:

Now all we have left to test the GTZ is Martin! :D:p:
08-13-2008, 06:47 PM
NaeKuh

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xilikon

I'm curious to have the definitive data backing this claim. If it really does, I'll have to put the stock midplate back on my v2 which is cooling my Yorkfield Q9450.

pure speculation.

thats what im thinking. Sorry if you think i ment it as fact.

Ugh... one day Xilikon, i shall have that keyboard on your avatar. You just wait.
08-13-2008, 06:51 PM
gabe

Quote:

Originally Posted by NaeKuh

:rofl:

in your own world my friend. EK > D-tek. Can we just end it?

My EK will probably spank this GTZ even. Well im using custom accelerators. :rofl:

My Cuplex will probably beat this GTZ as well, thats if martin finished stepping it.

Gabe you need to step the block and not bow it. Scott definitely discovered a winner.

Only problem tho, once stepped the block can never be used on neha since the die package is different.

Stepping was meticulously tested. Our block design is evidence of the route we chose based on our test data.
08-13-2008, 06:57 PM
twwen2

Quote:

Originally Posted by NaeKuh

Gary carries it?

Then its mine.

Edit: i have just emailed gary asking him to special order me one. So when i get it i'll show it off. :up:

Aww man, now everyone else is gonna get one before me, not fair :(.
Should have kept it all to myself :p:
08-13-2008, 07:26 PM
majestik

Quote:

Originally Posted by NaeKuh

:rofl:

in your own world my friend. EK > D-tek. Can we just end it?

My EK will probably spank this GTZ even. Well im using custom accelerators. :rofl:

My Cuplex will probably beat this GTZ as well, thats if martin finished stepping it.

Gabe you need to step the block and not bow it. Scott definitely discovered a winner.

Only problem tho, once stepped the block can never be used on neha since the die package is different.

If you're so confident in your top secret EK mods... would you mind, you know, posting them? :p:
08-13-2008, 07:27 PM
twwen2

@R3: I know that, there was even a thread here about it in the news section. I was joking you know...;)

The only issue i can see would be noise. Being a benching station, there's nothing stopping those pesky decibels getting to my (annoyingly sensitive) ears :rolleyes:.

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