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Accelero TWIN TURBO
http://www.arctic-cooling.com/pics/products/166_big.jpg http://www.arctic-cooling.com/pics/n...Turbo_news.png
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ATI: Radeon
HD 4870, 4850
HD 3870, 3850,
HD 2600, 2400,
X1950, X1900,
X1800, X1650,
X1600,
X1550,
X1300 series
Nice cooling :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by emoners
Guru3D CrossfireX review
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon...x-performance/
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Looks slick :up: ! If it performs like it looks it does, I might grab one.Quote:
Originally Posted by emoners
I wonder how an HD4870 and a HD4870 x2 in Crossfire would perform together. I wonder if it would be worth the effort of having Crossfire or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by mascaras
Would I be fine running a 4870 on my Corsair VX450 PSU?
That would be crossfireX.
Why hasn't anyone adressed how much CPU power will be needed to unlock the full potential of these new cards?
Considering there increased speed by a pretty big margin one would assume they'd need much more power then the 3 ghz that was able to fully work the old cards.
That PSU is really conservatively rated -most Corsair PSUs are, it won't have any trouble powering a single HD 4870 and a quadcore CPU i suppose, especially if you're not into extreme OCing over your rig.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan
4870 amazing :)Quote:
Originally Posted by eric66
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Radeon HD 4870 (CF) vs. GeForce GTX 260 (SLI)
http://pics.computerbase.de/2/2/1/0/3/17_m.jpg http://pics.computerbase.de/2/2/1/0/3/16_m.jpg
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/h...itt_einleitung
Translated >> http://translate.google.pt/translate...pt-PT&ie=UTF-8
regards
My Review ;:D
http://forum.donanimhaber.com/m_24484051/tm.htm
where are the power consumption disbelivers now?Quote:
Originally Posted by mascaras
4870 is a powerhog, same as 280gtx (thought the later one is it even more. :p )
@ review, seems 260gtx and 4870 trade blow with each other in sli/cf, but 4870 wins p/pf hands down.
omg stop comeing in these threads boasting up the gtx200's and down the 4000 series.
From all the reviews I've seen the 4870 takes less power at load and at idle more. More at idle is only because the powerplay or w/e isn't working properly yet except with msi bios. Which when it does will draw the same or less then the gtx200 series.
Right here. One again the review is anything but conclusive considering the test they ran.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
Xbitlabs: ATI Radeon HD 4850 and 4870: Gaming Performance Review
http://xbitlabs.com/articles/video/d...800-games.html
http://translate.google.pt/translate...pt-PT&ie=UTF-8
man, the overclocking advantage of a gtx260 is really high, it's like a totally different card ,18% gain in fps is huge. it seems overclocking the ati barely does anything (even though it was a lower overclock , the effect seem to be meaningless compared to a gtx260 overclock).
not to mention it doesn't require bios, volt and other mods...
with the price drop , this kind of overclocking performance can make the gtx260 a clear winner.
according to this review nvidia doesn't need to lower prices of gtx260 they need 9800gtx+ :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by onethreehill
lol read my post... did i downplay the 4870?Quote:
Originally Posted by Caveman787
i just pointed out that the 4870 is is not "the powersaver from haven" as so many people say... and still eats a considerable ammount of wattage, while the 280gtx beats it and consumes even more.
you review is the only review that show a difference of 70W+ so i consider that as the absolute worse case, since i dont play batchmark test all the time i look for/at "real environment tests". ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by SKYMTL
Its nice that some people try to do reviews the "right way", but if i plug in both cards and in normal gaming situations the difference is 30-50W at the sockte its just that: 30-50W difference. Thats the difference i need to pay for. :)
Im willing to bet over 90% of you posts start off trying to bash someone before you make your point. :) I've been watching you these last two days and thats what i see. :down:Quote:
Originally Posted by Caveman787
My 2c. After the price drop, the 260 is still slightly more expensive. But consider this, you buy the 260 GTX hassle free, it doesnt come with all the extra annoying baggage like the 4870 does. Bios flashes, cards dying randomly etc.. :yepp:
I dont know about you, but i would pay a small bit more for a problem free card. :up:
However the 4870 is a good card and if i can buy a retail version with no problems i will get it, otherwise i will stay with nvidia for the time being.
Quote those "many people"!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
The difference you will pay for is 200$ at first :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
There no need to bios flash to use it and there is no cards diying randomly!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ch@pS
It's easy to spead false information but difficult to restore the truth... :shakes:
looking at translated article.
both 260 and 4870 r good cards, but i think 4870 has the edge, in many instances, and still is the overall winner bang for buck. i would need to see price parity for 260 and 4870 and even then, 4870 is too tempting. it seemed to me that 4870 came out on top in more cases and handles 8xAA/high res very well too.
it's a hard choice to make; both good cards. game specific drivers can make all the difference. it's easy to sit on the fence here.
This is XS, how many people wont oc this thing? sure you can run it without the flash, but at what temp? How many cards have died from the temps? it seems to be in a few threads here.Quote:
Originally Posted by AbelJemka
A friend wants to OC his 4870, but cant, the clocks just wont stay put. He has to bios flash to OC, how much harder is that than using say Evga's precision tool? Im sorry but that is needless, if nvidia can get it right, why cant AMD?
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Originally Posted by Ch@pS
+ 1
The 4870 will be a fine card when(or wait we're talking about ATI so make that if) they iron out the issues but till then it's got too many niggling problems for a lot of people.
Pointed me threads where 4800 died because of temp and after i will see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ch@pS
Yes its XS so you afraid of flashing a bios? ;) How much harder is? flash, reboot, done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ch@pS
You want esay overclocking, buy Nvidia. But easy it's not funny :D
Very true, I am hoping Catalyst 8.7 resolves all the niggling issues, I will be making my purchase either next week or the week after, either 2 HD4870 1GB cards or the GT280GTX Ultra (which is released on the 11th of July, 738Mhz clock, 1666Mhz shader and 2520Mhz memory).Quote:
Originally Posted by Linchpin
John
Im not going through all those pages again, are you mad?!?!?!?!?!? :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by AbelJemka
Ill dig up some stuff when im less busy if thats alright :up:
Not afraid, just showing a point of view. You cannot flash inside windows, so its harder to tweak to find max clocks, how many reboots till you finished?
No way, its far better, especially if you're working with a limited dice/LN2 supply and dontwant to spend hours finding max clocks when on nvidia you can find it in mins.
I don't see how you can claim the 280 more power friendly but I'm not gonna fight that.
Besides no high end card is power friendly at load and like I said the idle issues with 4000 series aren't fixed yet.
As for the 4000 series over clocking....your comparing a 4% core overclock to what a 20%? Yeah a little unfair since we all know memory clock isn't gonna make a huge difference in FPS.
Wrong link, here's right one:Quote:
Originally Posted by 865pe
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=14224
prove that sli/cf was and still is a niche product. :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by 865pe
It kind of is but your also forgetting that, that poll is only of 85 people so far.
sorry :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by L7R
quick someone do a pro-nvidia pie chart..oops wrong thread:p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Caveman787
Then go back and edit your post until you back it up with facts :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ch@pS
does ATI tool work?? how about that AMD GPU Clock Tool?? for 4870
i am ditching nv sli for intel mobo + CF this time, evga 680i is just awful, in terms of stability, they do have good customer support but i am tired of spending my money to ship it to evga, then get it back ~ 1.5 weeks later
And thats even by enthutiasts. Its a tiny unnoticeable fraction when you calculate everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
will not be.
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Originally Posted by Mumid
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Originally Posted by bill_d
as before the Asus Maximus 2 Formula p45 chipset.. has no bottleneck even at 8X crossfired..Quote:
Originally Posted by Mumid
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=193751
somebody earlier said he needed gaming benchies.. posted some crysis benchies..
I can confirm when i had the P5Q3 i had no bottleneck either in crossfire, as my scores are about the same as my x48Quote:
Originally Posted by cstkl1
There is difference.
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/14...nce/index.html
sishh... some ppl aught to be .:frag:Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Evil
they are wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Evil
simple as that.
Agreed. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by flopper
Wrote a small thing about this in my homeforum in swedish.Quote:
Originally Posted by SKYMTL
Found your post skymtl on your forum to be highly logical regarding the issue of p45.
:yepp:
Would you mind to point a link, thank you.Quote:
Found your post skymtl on your forum to be highly logical regarding the issue of p45.
Overclock 4800 with the last version of AMDClockTool :up:
link : http://www.overclex.net/data/images/...cktool-9.8.rar
credit : http://translate.google.fr/translate...&ie=ISO-8859-1
nice finally oc tools start to surface. :up:
the difference is at 2560 x 1600 apparently, so only 30" lcd users need to worry about X48(or x38) for now, it seems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Evil
Not. No matter if you believe the article or not, but according to the article, they need to worry unless they have X48 or x38Quote:
Originally Posted by adamsleath
Cheers for the link - thats awesome. Got a very similar setup to that myself just wating on a new psu early next week so I can setup crossfire.Quote:
Originally Posted by cstkl1
A very cost-effective rig you have there. Nice :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mumid
Perkam
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...-x8-x8-cf.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by L7R
:yepp:
Would be nice if some other site tried a 4870CF on p45 vs x38 comparison. Or better yet 4870x2 CFX when they come out to see if there are any bottlenecks ;)
Thanks mate. Soon to be changing PSU for PC power and cooling 750w QUAD Silencer and got another HD4870 sat here waiting to go in when the new PSU arrives, looking at the Crysis benchmarks in that other thread - cant wait :)Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
yeah it should be alright..Quote:
Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan
try it and find out. If anything a quality 500-600w dont cost much nowdays.
not sure if your psu has 2x6pin..you need that or a 4-pin molex to 6pin will work
This in itself is very hard to do. Let me explain.Quote:
Originally Posted by postumus
Due to the different natures of the P45 and boards with X38 / X48 chipsets it is almost impossible to have a completely even playing field. Heck even when testing boards WITH THE SAME CHIPSET there will be differences in gaming performance. I will draw your attention to a few articles:
Techreport's X48 Showdown (See ET: EQ benches)
Bit Tech's Multi GPU benches with the Gigabyte P45 DQ6
OC3D's P45 Showdown
Not only are there performance differences between X48 and X38 (basically the same chipset) when equipped with similar hardware but there are even VERY large differences between P45 boards when it comes to performance. We aren't talking about 1-2%, more like 10-20% difference in some cases.
So, the question begs to be asked: in a Crossfire vs Crossfire review between the X38 / X48 and the P45, how do we know that the performance (or lack thereof) of the motherboard itself and NOT the PCI-E bandwidth is being brought to the forefront? The simple answer is that there is really no way to know unless there are MASSIVE differences in performance.
Writing a review of Crossfire performance between two motherboards with different chipsets, getting results that are within 5-10% difference between the two products and then saying that there is a bottleneck is a stretch at best. That is why I look at some preformance results and take them with a grain of salt.
Will a P45 bottleneck a pair of HD4870 cards? Heck no.
Dam good to know, sir.Quote:
Originally Posted by SKYMTL
Why didn't they save all the 4850 reviews and bring the to this sticky?
Thanks for clearing this. I Just read that topic in Hardware canucks forum too.Quote:
Will a P45 bottleneck a pair of HD4870 cards? Heck no.
I don't know if I cleared it up...seems like I just raised more questions in my own head. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by L7R
How big a difference is there if the 4870 is run at pice1 16x instead of 2.0?
This is in the same vein as what we have been discussing and truth be told, there is really no good way of finding out due to the differences in the mobos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xcel
Sorry I couldn't bother reading the entire thread. So in other words pretty minimal then if it's within the error spread.Quote:
Originally Posted by SKYMTL
*continues reading the rest of the thread*
hi guys
just installed a powercolor 4870
http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/5606/dsc02615jy3.jpg
Idle temp with FAN Fix = 45% (ambient temp = 23º)
http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/699/4870dp0.jpg
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Mascaras, you do realize that your idle temp will be high due in part to your use of Aero, right? Just ran a quick test on my stock HD4870 and found turning off Aero shaved about 5°C off idle temps.
as long as its not up at 80 im happy ^^ 840 core and i idle at 47C, fortunately my airconditioner running next to me is louder than the card will ever be :up: I think applying mx-2 to the core is a good idea for everyoneQuote:
Originally Posted by SKYMTL
(ambient is 74F)
http://gpuz.techpowerup.com/08/07/07/8bn.pnghttp://gpuz.techpowerup.com/08/07/07/4mx.png
Is there any way to force a X38/X48 motherboard to only use x8 instead of x16 PCI-E. I guess there isnt :/
I haven't found a way.
E8400@4Ghz
HD4870 Default
Catalyst 8.6 hotfix
Crysis
windows vista 64bit
1680x1050
DX9
High settings
Average = 45 Fps
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/2...0504870qr7.jpg
I would suggest you retest with the Assault_Harbor timedemo included with that benchmark suite and run it two times. The first run should usually be discounted since it takes into account the frames per second on the Load screen which will of course lower your score.
PCI-E Scaling Review (THG)
I'm curious, does anyone know if this is a valid way of deactivating lanes?
mascaras has me drooling over one of these things. Only one problem though, I'm broke. :dammit:
why would you wanna do that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadout
ya same here :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ThatGuy16
but i can afford the card, im just waiting for a waterblock!
I assume it would make it a hell of a lot easier to test x8 vs x16 bandwidth on the new GPUs.Quote:
Originally Posted by emoners
Would remove the variable of using both P45 and X38 for testing.
Dunno, maybe you can put tape on some of the connectors of your gfx or something. At least for RAM this was possible. Some did this to revive their DIMMs after the SPD was accidently deleted by some gigabyte mainboard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadout
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Diamond HD 4870 XOC Premium Black Edition: First Picture
As we reported earlier here Diamond Multimedia is preparing a special unlocked Black Edition Radeon HD 4870 card. We just received a first picture:
http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/2171/diamondan0.jpg
http://www.techpowerup.com/65100/Dia...t_Picture.html
If the diamond version would cost only $50 more It would be nice. I would guess they raised the voltage a good deal on the gpu/memory for more overclocking goodness.
For the lazy people not wanting a VMod
Throw 1GB on that sucker and you'll have quite the competition to the 280
I predict this card may take over the gtx280 and the 4870x2 will take over the gtx280 ultra or match it.
I also predict since we've seen amazing performance from ATI's card's on the higher end that all the lower end ones are gonna kick the crap outta nvidia's versions :rofl:
I would love to know why they are using the stock cooler...
My best guess would be to keep the price as low as possible.
The stock cooler isn't bad when you turn up the fan speed after all.
I hope they make a 4850 black edition, that way we can have an unlocked bios too
is Diamond the only one doing an OC ed?
The other AIB's are getting "black edition" type unlocked BIOS'es also supposedly so it won't just be Diamond - they just announced first
@zerazax: thanks...coz Diamond isn't available where i'm at :(
I was about to link to this article in view of some of the above comments ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by MpG
I think it is wrong to give the impression that the p45 pcie lanes @ x8 are adequate for present and future requirements as numerous articles have produced evidence to suggest that this is not the case. This is not only limited to the higher resolutions either but also to the tasks in hand. If you intend to do crossfire it is wise to get an x48/x38 board. i have yet to see any completed review to prove otherwise. If there is id love to see it :yepp:.
that bios needs to fall into our hands
also let's see some benchmarks with people on p35. Ahwell my card should be at home no my doorstep when i get in.
MSI 4870 OC
http://global.msi.eu/uploads/prod_ae...8e5d036eaf.jpg
Available in Europe for around 240 euros right now..
"780MHz Core
512MB GDDR5 2000MHz Memory
Memory Data Rate – 4.0 Gbps GDDR5"
http://global.msi.eu/index.php?func=...0&cat2_no=137#
Bah, I hate these panzy "OC" versions of GPU's. The least they can do is stick a 3rd party cooler on, let alone break CCC Overdrive clocks.
I agree, Nvidia really knows where it is at when it comes to overclocked version. They are far more common and tend to push the clocks way higher than ATI's conservative overclocks. The XFX XXX series comes to mind, as well as the EVGA SSC/FTW series of cards.
Aye. although ATI tend to release their GPU's much closer to the air cooled limit than nVidia do (all the way from the X1800XT, through the X1900XTX and 2900XT we're all very hot running cards).
BS, it's the Partners that do that. nVidia doesn't know any better than ATI.Quote:
Originally Posted by cantankerous
Secondly, many Geforce manufacturing partners sell them factory-overclocked too high, causing instability in games (Assassin's Creed) with the user not aware of any overclock untill they clock the v-memory down. Not to mention nV's infamous 'turbotrick' in their 9600GT....
But i agree: i won't buy MSI because of this "OC" version (consequently also not their standard version) because as i said before my MSI "OC" HD3870 allows not by far the clocks that my Reference version Sapphire does.
I simply want an ATI reference version with the best parts as it is meant to be. Waiting for a Sapphire be available here.
agreed, the temps are high enough as it is, no reason to give a new card a premature death:down:Quote:
Originally Posted by D-Cyph3r
same thoughts here, if they don't break the CCC barrier why even bother?
How are the RV770 when you overclock them??? I know the 38XX cards could be clocked a great deal on the GPU and mem side but you only gained a FPS or two in actual games. RV770 any better?
neoseeker I believe reviewed how 1 did overclocked to 790/1000 I believe and it gaind 5 fps all th way to 1900x1200 and 4 fps at 2560x1600.
So it does pretty good overclocked.
Because the stock cooler is great.. if paired with decent thermal paste and if they let the fan go faster than 30%.Quote:
Originally Posted by SKYMTL
cranking the fans to 100% to get the best cooling performance translate as a crappy stock cooler IMHO. Not all people can stand noisy systems.