God damn.
I just installed 4x1GB Transcend PC-6400+ AxeRam and now board wold load windows.
After bios has detected all USB devices screen goes black and cursor is blinking at left upper corner, even at default clocks.
Bios is 0505.
Printable View
God damn.
I just installed 4x1GB Transcend PC-6400+ AxeRam and now board wold load windows.
After bios has detected all USB devices screen goes black and cursor is blinking at left upper corner, even at default clocks.
Bios is 0505.
Hi i am on water both nb and cpu and all temps are well cool , was going to change mosfet coolers to thermalrights and nb to swiftech but looking at the temps it isnt really an issue , so it isnt worth upsetting the standard solution ,The board and chipsets are way cooler than both the P5K deluxe and Premium boards that i had .
Well, only way I can boot to windows is to press F8 at post and select HDD from that list, weird.
Seems like my board is not clocking so well with 4 sticks installed.
I could not get 8x475MHz to boot wit four sticks with same settings that I used with 2, or any settings :(
I have to use 8x450MHz.
Thanks for the reply andyr. Good to know the temps run lower. Mabey the ROG got the stock cooling solution correct, for what this board will actually require?
I will start out on the stock Maximus SE cooling. I figure it will give me a chance to check the board out to see if I am having any heat issues, before I buy 4 more blocks and backplates.
Better to return too, if it was defective in any way. ;)
What is kicking our butt's is this abomination statement in our Maximus manual:
"Install the optional fan only if you are using a passive cooler or a water cooler. Installing the optional fan with an active CPU cooler will interfere with the airflow and destabilize the system". :eek:
Due to me not having a passive water cooler, and having an active water cooler, I didn't want to destabilize the system......
They include in the box a small clear fan that just snapps in, blowing toward the CPU.
So actually we now have 2 questions.
1) Do we install the fan if using active water cooling.
2) Can a fan blowing toward the CPU destabilize the system, when using active water cooling?
so ChaosMinionX the board is lovin 4X1 d9gmh?even stable in windows?
a bit tired of testing gigabyte x38 it just dont like 4 sticks even when i get it to work i gotta reinstall windows every few days
i even gotta reinstall on 2 sticks
even if i pass memtest i still gettin errors in windows can it be other than memory causing this?
Hi, Asus have always worded it this way with the optional fan that is supplied with any of their motherboards. What do you mean by active and passive wc? If it's the case that you mean your WC has a fan attached to the CPU water heatsink then it could be assumed that the additional fan would intefere with the airflow. If you mean that your WC is active by means that it is part of a wc system, ie water flows around through other components, then you would still require the additional fan. As Asus clearly make the distinction between passive, ie heatsink no fan or water, and water cooling I'd have thought it was quite clear.
You could try raising a technical query with Asus...
ChrisC
In my case i have water cooled the nb , cpu and used the additional fan clipped onto the fets and also used a blue orb stuck to the sb for good measure , but tbh these fets runs so cool i dont think you need additional fan at all ,i put it down to the" EPU " technology ,unlike the p5k premium thet gave you two additional fans you could fry eggs on.
Hi, thanks for the advice andyr(again :up: ) As I've now got all my part for water cooling, I shall be rigging it up next week in half term and will try it without the optional fan and test me temps..
ChrisC
ok made the order for my MM U2-UFO case today when it gets here will start to build. pic of parts already here.
I was thinking it needed a water pump to be considered active cooling, but mabey they are talking about WC with fans?
This is a passive water cooler, the type I dont have:
http://www.trustedreviews.com/periph...ater-Cooler/p1
I will have an active CPU cooler, in the form of a water block.
I believe what they ment to say was:
If you use a water block to cool the CPU, use the small clear fan.
If you use A CPU fan as your main cooling method, don't use our little fan too because it might suck the breath away from the big guy, and destabilize the system.
It is a done deal... Fan installed. ;)
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/3314/pic019st4.jpg
can somebody explain how the ram interacts with the FSB and multiplier. right now i've got 4gb (in xp32 though) and 450 x 8 with 1:1 ratio.
im having really high temps, will this be because my cpu block is installed in the wrong way on his picture the word fuzion is facin down so you can read it in my setup is facing to the right:
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e8...0182007089.jpg
thanks
example the one with !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BIOS 0505
Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 8
FSB Frequency :450
FSB Strap to North Bridge :AUTO
PCI-E Frequency: 120
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-900 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DRAM Command Rate : 2T
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 4
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 4
RAS# Precharge : 4
RAS# ActivateTime : 10
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 25
Write Recovery Time : 3
Read to Precharge Time : 3
my v is at 1.425 and my cpu is at 3.8 Ghz, and my load temp is 71 is this to hot??
ahhhh, i think i figured it out. thanks for the help guys!!
Hey , got my 4 gig of gskill pq in and priming as a type 1053 Mhz at 2.0 volts not bad for starters
At last and with thank to a Vapochill LS i'm modding for a customer i have gotten it clocking, currently @ 467FSB, having to go in 1MHZ increasments
467 is all she wants to do
I found out what was happening with the damn driver crashing when i watch videos...when i run my ram faster it seems than 1066 it seems to cause it...it might be certain dividers that do it but when i run my ram lower than that it seems to stop all crashing...lol damn finally found out what was happening anyway just thought i would let you all know just incase anyone else had the same problem
can somebody write down the max voltages that should be used for the settings in bios? i just want to make sure that i don't go over them and really screw something up... thanks!
Hey guys, new to the forums here. I got my board last saturday. Been working on some OC's off and on. So far I like the board, I have an issue where it wont POST on some restarts with stable OC settings in the latest BIOS. Hopefully this gets addressed in a future BIOS. Below are some shots of the work in progress. For daily use I run 3.8GHz 423x9 w/ memory at 1:1. Voltages are (as shown by ASUS PC Probe) CPU: 1.51v, FSBT: 1.50; NB: 1.65. My PLL voltage is at 1.76 in BIOS and Load line calibration is on. Currently using 0505 BIOS.
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froste what is your room temp??
can someone explain what the cpu ppl voltage does?
Does this board "hates" Samsung Drives like the P5K premium?
CPU pll is the part of cpu that runs FSB, so to speak. So, as you increase FSB, this voltage may need an increase in order for the cpu to continue functioning @ the overclocked FSB speeds.
Quads need more cpu pll than duals, from my experience, however the dualies I got all do 450 or higher without increase to CPU PLL. the one that stops @ 450 requires more voltage to go higher, and adjustment of this voltage allowed 25mhz FSB from stock, on a previous board that only offered a max of 1.7v for CPU PLL volts. I have not had a chance to throw that cpu in here yet.
The other cpu does 515mhz FSB with 1.5v CPU PLL, So i have yet to find a need to increase this voltage with this cpu yet.
I have not be able to determine if this truly is FSB-related or raw MHZ-related, but I'll be investigating this with this maxumus as it allows beter control of voltges than any other board I've got now.
ahh ive never seen this on a board before this asus. also are the gtl voltages on this wierd or is it just me the 680i i had needed fine tweaking or else it was not stable AT ALL, where this has only like 5 choices for gtl voltages and its fine despite it seemingly beeing a very broad setting
GTL is like inter-FSB communication votlage...voltage for core-core communication. AS the FSB is the bus used for this communication, CPU PLL has a similar effect as well, however you'll find that GTL tweaking only really shows signifigant gains for quadcores, and not duals, as the source for each of the operation's votlages(GTL, CPU PLL) are related, but not the same.
GTL is liek the "low" setting to "HIGH" setting voltages for communication, "low" being like a "0", and "HIGH" being a "1". these ride within the FSB voltage, but FSB is bus for cpu-chipset, and each provides it's own power source for out-bound communication, so each must be tweaked individually, as each will have a differing load on them, based on what work is being done. The GTL voltage will drop as it gets to each core, a little bit, and when you increase speeds, this drop is larger, so we adjust GTL to compensate for this. A board with lots of expansion cards and 4 DIMMs is more likely to need chipset FSB volts than CPU FSB volts, due to the load on the chipset, while on a board with jsut a vidcard and two DIMMs, it's not going to be as important.
SAme for the cpu..quad is more work than dual, and high FSB is more work as well...so hopefully by now you kinda understand what's going on with these settings.
yeah im pretty familiar with the gtl voltage tweaking having gone through two dfi's with my quad, but it just seems like this asus board has a more broad way of adjusting these settings than most other boards. i know the dfi and the newest abit's all adjust it point by point and per core. i guess its a good thing, what took me days of finding stability on my dfi took me maybe 20 minutes on this asus. so im just kinda curious as to how asus is doing this. maybe a table that is in relation to the vtt? as i know the vtt and the gtl voltages to have a pretty direct relation
I dunno. It could just be a standard formula..as "A" increase "X" amount, "B" must increase proprtionally to "X". This would allow good clocking, but not the fine-tuning that you're looking for. I think maybe the "EPU" is what does it, as this board installs driver for such, so I imagine that this driver may adjust GTL as FSB voltages as needed, again, based on a set formula. I cannot fathom any other reason for ASUS to highlight this "EPU" othr than for what I mentioned, as Intel cpu's have thier own power-state management, so I assume that the "EPU" deals with both cpu and chipset.
Bit of a question here guys...
I just received my Maximus Formula from a certain UK online store...
Well they sent me the wrong one. I ordered the Non SE version, as I won't be water cooling. They sent me the SE version with the Fusion Block. My luck. Next day delivery was 3 days late from them too, and then it's the wrong board, even though my invoice clearly states the Non SE version.
Now, my question is, will my n/b suffer with the Fusion Block over the aircooled version? If not I'll probably just keep the board to save the hassle, but if for an aircooled rig, the normal aircooled block is better, I'll be returning this board (at their expense) and getting the correct version!
Please help me out here guys, I've spent half a week waiting for this board, booked the weekend off work to rebuild and play with my new system, and at every possible opportunity something has gone wrong! :(
I have the SE version and only water cool my CPU, NB runs cool even when overclocking. I say keep the SE in case you get the water cooling bug down the road.
I may one day water cool, but right now I'm more interested in how it'll affect my temps and overclocks using the water block as an air cooler? What do you reckon?
i have the SE, and my NB runs about 15c cooler, than it did on my gigabyte X38, the fuzion block is also a good air cooler as well, i would def. keep the SE!
Hey got this board, after buying Asus P5N32 SLI and finding I couldn't clock the q6600 on it to any degree.
After reading that there is a vdroop mod out there that it seems only EVGA boards seemed to have been factory done.
So i bought this board, and what can I say its the easiest board i ever worked with regarding clocking. All I had to do was to first install the next bios up as i had strange results from cpuz. The mutiplier was fluctuating from 9 to 6.
Upgraded to 504 and at once fixed the fluctuation.
All I had to do then was set q6850 in bios to get 3000mhz speed, but putting it on crazy setting got 3.700mhz without touching a single volt. The only probs ican see is the NB can get a little warmer. So am going to watercool with XSPC kit, but the great thing was it is very stable. Have not had a single crash. (maybe im lucky but I dont think so this board ROCKs)
I just thought N00bs like me to overclocking, would like to hear that quad core processors on this board can be overclocked easily and with 4GB of memory on board. To a high speed 4ghz easlily achievable. Whereas the P5N32 struggled to get 3Ghz.
q6600, 3ghz present 3.7Ghz air but will watercool, 4GB Crucial PC8500 running at 1066mhz, 2 Quantum Raptors, 1 Spinpoint, Adaptec 39160, 4*15K Atlas II, BFG8800GTX, tj09 Silverstone, Enermax Galaxy and Dell 30"3007-HC XP+Vista64 Dual Boot
i'm WC'ing my cpu and eventually my gpu. i'm not going to bother with the fusion block right now. like everybody said, it's quite cool without with the water cooling!!!
Man, if you can put your finger on the NB on air, for 20 sec or so, the stock Fusion cooling on water aught to be more than enouigh....
Thanks for the info.
1 more reason to love the board, and I havent even turned the key over yet... ;)
Anyone ever catch this, prime 95 isnt stressing my cpu 100%.....system is always 12-25% using the cpu....anyone else have this issue? vista x64 here.
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/5071/90433082sd1.jpg
Anyone know if a thermalright HR05-IFX (withfan) on the NB and a evercool cooler (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835119080) on the SB will fit ok ? If so are they sufficient to keep things cooler than the stock heatsink ?
Nothing wrong here. Make sure Superfetch is not working when you are priming.
http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/9...bujoyv4.th.jpg
Just a little addition for those of us running higher FSB's and lots of other stuff like tight timings on ram....just set NB GTL ref to .67x, auto seems to put it there anyways. My rig wont boot with anything lower :up:
gar...your cpu is still running at 100% though, right? nothing else would be able to run if prime used up 100% of your resources.
what are reasonable cpu temps when under load? the highest i'll hit is 52 so far with 3825.8 MHz. good?
The latest Everest UE does a decent job.. + it shows all temps, volts & freqs you want in the systembar..
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/395...sttempsec6.jpg
No, but I have observed this: I started Prime with blend test instead of small ffts by error, this use a lot of memory. I stopped it, so the memory used by blend is now free. When superfetch detects this, it starts using the HDD to fill this free memory. When it was caching, I started small ffts and Prime was using only 83% CPU???¿ That was caused by SF working. As soon as it finished Prime uses 100% of both cores. So make sure all the memory is already cached when you start Prime for accurate results :up:
I´m going to mount my new P5E now, I can confirm it is a hidden Maximus Formula, see below :D
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/5...2166ro7.th.jpg
i'm stable (short testing everest and occt) with 3.825 witht he following settings. can't get 435 fsb to work, any ideas?
Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
FSB Frequency : 425
FSB Strap to North Bridge : auto
PCI-E Frequency: 120
DRAM Frequency: DDR2- 850
DRAM Command Rate : 2t
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 4
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 4
RAS# Precharge : 4
RAS# ActivateTime : 12
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 25
Write Recovery Time : 3
Read to Precharge Time : 3
Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 7
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6
DRAM Static Read Control: disabled
Ai Clock Twister : strong
Transaction Booster : enabled 2
CPU Voltage : 1.5
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.6
North Bridge Voltage : 1.49
DRAM Voltage : 2.0
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.4
South Bridge Voltage : 1.125
Loadline Calibration : enabled
CPU GTL Reference : .63x
North Bridge GTL Reference : auto
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : auto
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : auto
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : auto
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.6
NB LED Selection : NB Volt
SB LED Selection : SB Volt
CPU LED Selection : CPU VOlt
Voltiminder LED : enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled
Advanced CPU Configuration
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
C1E Suppport : Disabled
CPU TM Function : Disabled
Vanderpool Technology : Disabled
Execute Disable Bit : Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit : Disabled
USB Configuration
USB Functions: Enabled
Legacy USB Support : Disabled
Hi, not sure if this has been posted before, if it has my apologies and the post can be deleted. This works and is as accurate as Everest...
http://www.overclock.net/operating-s...emp-tweak.html
ChrisC
OK, i found out why this is happening, when i use over 1.5vcore prime 95 does this, it doesnt work at 100% and one core is always ahead of the other, because one is being used more than the other, but when i take the vcore down under 1.5v prime 95 loads 100% can someone try 425x9 wth 1.5vcore and see if this happens to you as well, im not sue if i had this issue with 0401 bios, i might revert to test this out.....im not sure if this is the vcore causing this, or an instable overclock, could be the fsb, not sure, if someone with a cpu capable of 3.8ghz could try this out i would appreciate it. thanks.
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/5071/90433082sd1.jpg
OK, so after testing, i figured out, any voltage over 1.5 and prime 95 doesnt load all the way, when you look in task manager you will see.
Works fine here with dualcore. Strange, that one. I'll be popping my B3 in later, I'll check it out for ya.
However, because you are in Vista, you can pop up the System Performance window from the Performance tab, and check and see exactly what in the system process is grabbing the cpu-time.
I can't wait to get this board. sdumper sent me over here after I told him I was looking to buy one. Thanks for all the info so far! This is going to make my 6850 scream.
someone with Vista 64 please run Prime 95 with a cpu voltage of 1.52 or higher and take a screen shot of task manage and your process screen showing P95 to see how much cpu it is using....this is really wierd....i want to know if its only my cpu or the boards itself.
It's not a Vista issue..it's the board. confirmed behavior on XP32, didn't have to load up Vista to see it Vcore over 1.52 idle results in less than 100% prime load. Quad's only tho, not dualies.
Real quick... anyone able to get into Windows on Maximus with quad at 488x8 or any setting in the realm of 3.75-4ghz... if so what settings are you using, or could someone try. I simply cant with 0505, could on 0401.
anyone else get cold boots, even with a stable OC???? also sometimes i get a hang after it detects my usb devices.
Dude, are you really passing this known core temp bug as an overclock? No one shows a core temp shot as a legit overclock. That is what CPU-Z is for. I'm pissed, because you're insulting my intelligence. That shot you posted can be reproduced in many instances of high overclocks; and I bet you were using a higher multiplier.
@ChaosMinionX
I got it too...
0505 is good couse loadline working, but in other hand it really sux!!
Cant OC at all...
Max fsb is about 510 !!! when on 0401 it was 550 easily.
0505 was cool with 500x6 or 7 with stock Vcore, but with x8 it wont boot...or even 520x7... didnt check lower fsb than 500 cose i wasent buying mobo for over 300$ to run it lover than fsb500.
Maybe they will combine the two bios files and then hey we are all happy , i am sure Asus must scan some of the threads around the world :scope:
Does this Maximus have any real advantage with its X38 over the Blitz P35 board if your not going for SLI? I read some reviews that said that Intels P35 chipset is good enough for it not being worth upgrading to a X38, but does anyone here who's used both have any opinion on this matter?
we'll I just spend the better part of the night reading the ENTIRE 27 pages, lol. Looks like a winner to me, I'm going to be building a new rig in January. The only other chipset I've heard about that is yet to come out between then and now is nvidia 780i, which I heard is just a modified 680i. Can anyone confirm that?
With my P5E so far:
http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/8...0fsbkf7.th.png
My RAM wont boot pass 1200Mhz, it´s not the board. I will try later another mem divider for max FSB.
Every time i install the drivers that comes with the cd, after a frech install. and i try to type something with my keyboard. it will just freeze. like if i go to start and try to type in search it will freeze the start windows. also if i open notepad and try to write it will freeze... what can i do to fix this. tried a new install and as soon i put the maximus drivers it will happen. also tried to change the usb port.. same thing.. what should/can i do?
no :banana::banana::banana::banana: supermiguel!!!! that happened to me with xp64!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! couldn't figure out for the life of me what it was. it only happened in IE, firefoc, steam... seems to be things that are connected to the net. odd!!! i ended up installing xp32 and no problems now.
i flashed back to 0401 hoping to get a higher stable clock the 3.825... well, no luck. back to 0505 i go.
i also think that 0401 can oc better it supported a higher fsb
Officially to my knowing there isn't any SLI support, if you want or need SLI Nvidiot chipset is the only path to walk ( though it's a treacherous one), there are minor differences between X38 and P35 (surely for Crossfire users) , but nothing for me talk about, though I think it will unleash it's fury with the new upcoming CPU's and GFX cards...
I hope to have my Maximus Formula tomorrow and will do some comparisons...
E6700 L631A
Crucial 8500 Tracer
Lunasio LiquidCooling
Hiper 670
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http://www.pctunerup.com/up/results/..._screen013.jpg
How is vdroop on these boards ?
Especially with quad core > 3,6 Ghz.
don't test with Q but with last bios 0505 it's 0.01 :D think same with Q
Yes, droop is almost non-existant on B3 Q6600 @ 3.6ghz, 450x8, w/0505. My idle is 1.456, load is 1.454.
Well, I am investigating this further...it seems not to be voltage related, but TEMP related. It will "trigger" when my cpu hits 69c(1.424v, q6600/B3).:rofl: More investigation needed..I feel it might be EPU driver causing this trying to control temps.:rolleyes: However, when I use BIOS 0401 or whatever, I'd have to set a voltage higher than 1.5v to get this votlage, due to droop, so it might be partially related to voltage...but seems more likely to be TEMP or current draw that triggers this problem.
What exactly is EPU and how does it work?
Your guess is as good as mine. The box says:
"The ASUS EPU utilizes digitally monitor and tune the CPU power supply with improved VR responses in heavy or light loadings."
The chip on the mobo labelled EPU is the controller that we usually work off of for VDROOP and VCPU mods, and this board has a driver that installs for this "EPU" chip from the driver DVD. Based on what it is and what it is supposed to do, the driver may shown up as "SYSTEM" in taskmanager if it is actively working as described above.
The issue that GAR and I have is also not temps, or voltages...it seems either current- or FSB/cpu speed-related only. I'm working at eliminating speed as a factor..running 3400mhz @ 400FSB or 425 FSB does not "trigger" the problem, but 400X9 or 450x8 does, although, of course, voltage is higher for the 3.6ghz to be prime stable than it is for 3400mhz.
Setting 1.424v(reported by PC Probe) @ 3.6ghz and the behavior does not start immediately, but once temps hit 69c it starts. Unfortunately my cpu is not stable @ this voltage, so I was unable to see whether it's an intermittent thing, but this also makes me think it's current-induced, as obviously it's not the speed directly that causes the issue.
ON some other boards when the droop is real high due to the current load, the multi "bounces", which I myself blame on TM1 or TM2, and it's possible that this less than 100% prime load is a feature to overcome THAT behavior..i dunno..I'll have to extract another quad from yet another box to confirm that, as I have another quad that would do this "bounce" with more than 1.3v, or faster than 3.1ghz(again the bounce points to being current-induced by my testing).