Just brickd my board
:banana::banana::banana::banana:!!!!!!!!
Just brickd my board
:banana::banana::banana::banana:!!!!!!!!
With the socket slip or with a bios?
Don't worry dude, it's a perfect excuse to go for a Maximus Formula II with that 45nm! :D
Oh I was rushing a cpu swap and caught the socket pins with a coffee filter and now I dont think she will boot.
I have the board out and the pins straight now to test
MF Extreme is looking sweet tho
good luck
Thanks guys but I guess luck is not with me, looks like I shorted something.
All the little led lights are showing green, yellow, and red all at the same time.
LCD Poster is showing CPU INIT and reset or power buttons do not work.
Called Asus and have my RMA so I'll ship it out tomorrow.
Tried to get cross shipping but she told me it was not available on SE board.
Now all I have is a lappy till I get a new board, and to make matters worse I now have to decide what boad to get to replace my MF SE.
Replace it why? If ASUS is going to replace it with another MF. You told them that you messed up the pins and there still going to warranty it?
Shower?? how did that happen
Now why would I tell them that?
All Asus needs to know is it wont post, but my point in a replacement is I dont want to wait a month for a new mobo, So if I grab a new board now I'm down for a few days and sell the MF when it comes in.
If I wait I'm down for about a month or so. I tried to get a cross ship but they wont on the SE so you know they dont have stock. So I'm stuck using my laptop or I suppose I could grab my son's A8N SLI Deluxe and pound the FX-60 but where would the fun in that be?
yes it will work very well
Unless you have a unique board or Q9450, the maximus formula is not a good match for that chip. That is if your after more than 3400MHz prime stable. My board topped out @ 435 bootable. Same chip benchmarks @ 495FSB in a different board. I have a maximus II on the way now. This board is a dream for a QX9650. I bench mine @ 410 x 11 PL5:D
Probably a little late for this but I havent read these forums since about post 239... I see some people having a hard time removing thier NB/SB there is a real real easy simple method.
Grab yourself a chair prop your board up on it surround the northbridge with a towel and turn a can of canned air upside down and spray back and forth for about 45 seconds. see pic.
http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/8538/p1030444pn1.jpg
By turboz22l, shot with DMC-FX3 at 2008-08-18
Then use the blue memory slot for leverage to pop it off easily
http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/2711/p1030441fr1.jpg
By turboz22l, shot with DMC-FX3 at 2008-08-18
Make sure the copper peice is release from the southbrige by just pulling up and bending it a bit
http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/3337/p1030445pc3.jpg
By turboz22l, shot with DMC-FX3 at 2008-08-18
Wipe condensation off the back of the board
http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/3530/p1030449cv4.jpg
By turboz22l, shot with DMC-FX3 at 2008-08-18
Do the same thing for the southbridge chip and pop it off if you want to remove it.
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/1010/p1030447xc0.jpg
By turboz22l, shot with DMC-FX3 at 2008-08-18
Hope this helps some...
You can do the same with a hair dryer, just make sure you have gloves on. Push out the push pins and screws then use the hair dryer to heat up the heatsink, once it gets hot it will slide right off without having to use a screw driver or any other tools. Did this with my Blitz and so have many other people on this forum.
Utnorris
With 45nm Quads, the Maximus Formula is best with a QX chip with unlocked multiplier. The x38 chipsets struggle to reach 450FSB with 45nm's. Mine won't do it even with my QX9650.The few that have had success don't quite mention the extreme voltages used to achieve it. My Maximus is used for benching with the QX9650 410 X 11 DDR2-1233 PL5. This article explains things best as far as memory bandwith & performance is concerned.
I can confirm this, my Q9550 wont boot past 425.
This is the first chip that my Maximus struggles with. Bios revisions do not help.
Dual cores clock well I have had a 8400 to 525 and 475 for my 8600.
I have been contemplating the QX, but I just cant spend the money as football season is almost upon us and I need to support my gambling habit.:clap:
I disagree about the 45nm, everyone always says it's about the chip, but my E8400 got up to 485 pretty easily. 475 is my goal on the 9450, I'm pretty confident it can be done. My 8G Gskillz appear to have no issue running @ 1080 (possibly more, but I'm a chicken), now just finding the right PL/skew/vfsbt values.
Zucker, do you have your 9450 settings handy for your adventures?
Nope, regular hair dryer, just let the heatsink get hot and then it will slide off. The cold method works too, I just don't like using screw drivers to wedge off the heatsink from the chip.
There are some nice step by step instructions on this thread for removing the stock heatsinks using both methods.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=162085
Thanks,
Utnorris
I have had a 8400 which did 489x9 24/7, I also bought a Q9550 and it wont post above 425 on any multi. So to further my habit for high clocks I bought a E8600 it will post at 500x10 and bench ( altho not stable)
The Nemisis is very correct on quad core 45nm chips and the Maximus.
Zucker2k got his high 9450 clocks using a real Rampage not a hack'd Maximus.
And to add insult to injury my 3870X2 came today from Asus rma and I just sent the board in for rma:rofl:
Side note I will have a MF SE for sale in a few weeks:D
So whats the best board for the q9650 @450x9 4ghz only able to get 3.9 433fsb 1.3v
IMO P45 or X48
The P45 seems to get better clocks, I'm about to pull the trigger on a MaximusII. Just looking at the Rampage Extreme on the egg b4 I do.
DDR3 is looking nice but not sure if its worth the hassle of selling my Dominators and GSkill ram to off set the coast of going to DDR3.
I can get the maximus2 @ my local store.............. just want to be able to hit the 450fsb
GRNFINGER should i try the 0408 beta bios ?
wont hurt any, I ran my Q9550 on 407 and there was NO improvement in FSB.
Just found out that a MCW30 fits the MFII NB very well, so looks like I'm going to grab the board.
Should be available for pick up in 2 days locally.
ok & Thanks for all the help Going to get the max2 I'll let ya know how it goes
If you can find one and don't need crossfire, the abit IP35-Pro was benchable @475FSB with a 45nm Quad & stable up to 464FSB with safe voltages. Fry's had them on clearance for a mere $59.99:D
476FSB Benchable
http://img.techpowerup.org/080819/3D...450 3.8GHz.jpg
Prime Stable 464FSB
http://img.techpowerup.org/080819/Q9...age screem.jpg
mine does 3.824ghz 24/7 with a Q9450 at 1.384v, and every chip I have owned is a monster in this board from Qx9650 all the way down to e2160.. Also turning off the load line calibration does seem to help stability as you get near the 45nm quads max fsb, it droops like hell but you can compensate for that. Does anyone have a link to why the load line calibration hurts instead of helps. I read it somewhere but cannot find it, with it turned on my quad would prime but at idle randomly crash.
Yeah, I am curious about the LLC issue also.
Utnorris
Never bothered to disable it with the q9450 or the QX9650. I think I'll give it a go though. My QX9650 needed 1.424v to be 4GHz prime stable with it enabled. I'd love to see that drop about .05v
My IP35-Pro did very well also, but the memory latency/read/write values all took a larger than expected performance hit. Thus my dabble in this finely manufactured product.
Can someone tell me WHY Fry's doesnt open up shop in NY? I'm sick of hearing these ridiculous deals and being unable to participate. :down:
Yeah, I found it funny, like Nemesis, I needed 1.41 or so to be stable at 4Ghz. Then I disabled LLC and I now only need 1.4v idle and it drops to 1.38-1.37v with the vdroop under load and is stable. Go figure. I did notice in the bios I do have to set it to 1.45v in order to get 1.4v real, in my opinion that's a pretty big swing. Keep in mind this was on my Blitz, which is essentially the same board just with a P35 chipset, so take it for what it is worth. I am installing my Maximus today and will let you know what I get from that once it is up and running.
Thanks,
Utnorris
OK guys I need help. My board won't boot up my CPU after I reseated my NB and SB heat sinks. I tried resetting the CMOS and removing the battery but no dice. The LCD Poster shows DETDRAM and stops at CHECKCPU and then cycles again. Does this mean my CPU is dead?
Oh boy that sounds like what happend to mine just this Monday night.
All the led's glow'd green, yellow and red all at once.
Reset would not work or power off, had to flip the switch on the PSU to turn off.
I would recommend a call to Asus tech support you might be looking at a rma:(
OOOOOooooOOOOO
Looky what I got today
MCW30 bolts right on NO MODDING!
Can anyone confirm that the ApogeeGT can sit that way, I really cant see why it couldnt
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f...DSCF0036-1.jpg
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f...DSCF0035-1.jpg
can't wait to try it out. Now that I see how easy it was to mount the MCW30 I'm gonna have to try that. The board should push your chip much farther. My intentions are to test the performance difference between the two. I'm certain that the x38 memory bandwith is better @ the same clocks so I will check to see what fsb will be necessary on the Maximus II to match the Maximus Formula at say 400 & 450FSB. I'll also be doing an 8x8 vs 16x16 4850 crossfire comparison.
Very good I will look forward to your tests, I'm going to run a side by side comparison myself once I get my MF board back from RMA.
I was very surprisd how easy it was to mount the MCW30, the heatsink pop'd right off with NO effort. good paste contact from Asus this time:up:
Now with some AS5 and a decent waterclock the NB should stay very cool.
People were reporting 40c idle on stock air.
Hi
Does anyone know why ASUS did this?
Thanks
NBK
Right well unfortunately I broke my CPU mount and I'm using an uneven setup so my temps are crap! (but hey ho - new kit next month!)
Had a quick play with mu E8600 and BIOS 407 and 407 hates my RAM big time :( However, I did get my E8600 rock solid @ 4GHZ (8hrs prime) with a 266 strap and stupid voltage! V1.19 and my CPU was rated at V1.25 when it ran normally :rofl:
Everything was set to auto apart from the RAM speed and CPU Voltage. Too lazy tonight.... As I said, when I did try anything else it hated my RAM. Always "DET RAM" when I changed anything else or used another strap. :shakes:
~Bex
Ok, so my windows skills seem to be lacking a little. I am having two issue, the first deals with the Rampage upgrade. When I run the HP USB file and select the drive then the files, it first warns me the files will be lost, I say "ok" and then I get the "media is write protected" error. I have checked the properties of the drive and there is nothing that allows me to unselect write protect. I can copy files to and from the drive with no issue, tried reformatting it and still nothing. I have tried two different drives and still nothing. Any ideas? Oh, and I tried running as admin. This is done from XP.
Anyway, my second issue is I cannot get the board to boot with 2 sticks of ram, I keep getting the "DET RAM" error. I use one stick, no problems. I tried adjusting the voltage to 2.1v which is what the ram rated for. I tried adjusting the transaction booster to 0 and relaxing a few of the adjustments, but still no go. I set the voltages to what I had on my Blitz, still no go. Any ideas?
Thanks,
Utnorris
P.S. I updated the bios to 1201 from 907 and got the same results.
Yea, i got a Maximus Formula flashed to rampage (0407 bios) to replace my eVGA 780i mobo for my E8400. i have the chip at 3.91 with the FSB at 460 atm testing the 8.5x multiplier.
My question is, how is the 0408 Beta BIOS Grnfinger, any noticable improvements as in lower voltages on anything? Thanks! ;)
I've got an E8600 and am experiencing an odd phenomenon :D
Core 0 is P95 Small FFT solid at 1.28V actual for 4.5GHz, but Core 1 just craps out straight away, in under a minute.
It doesn't matter how much I up the VCore, but Core 1 just keeps failing.
I've tried different VTT and GTLs but dont seem to be getting anywhere.
I was using Rampage Formula 0407 and 0408 on my Maximus Formula and have even tried going back to MF1207 but no difference.
I've got everything else on Auto and have tried playing around with different voltages but the longest I've managed to get Core 1 running is a few minutes tops.
Well I got HPUSB to work on my Vista box. Still having the DET Ram issue though.
Thanks,
Utnorris
When I was using a QX9650 w/rampage bios I had the same problem with many different kits. Its usuallly a strap issue with certain configurations. Try setting memory to 1:1 and using highest strap (400 for me Rampage 403 bios). If u set strap to auto, depending on trp selected it won't boot. Also, you kinda have to leave trp on auto and record data until u find what works with your setup using memset to change the value. Trp 5-7 and in some cases up to 9 sometimes simply won't work. That said, as you lower trp it stresses the mch so you will have to raise nb volts to have stabilty. This is a fine board, but as you play around or tighten memory configurations to acheive best bandwith it takes more than just a little tweaking.
It's been my understanding that the 308 Bios yeilds the best memory bandwith.
Really? how is the 308's stability? Currently trying my ram at 1105.. doubt it'll work but intelburntest is rippin away.
For overclocking ram, does turning DRAM Static Read Control on help or harm your ram OC?
Any opinions on setting the Dram REF voltages? there's 3 of em in the BIOS not sure what to do with any so left it at auto.
Ok, so some success on the many issues I ma having. First, I am now Rampaged, yeah baby!! Still having the DET RAM issue, was hoping the Rampage 403 bios would fix it, but it didn't. I will try those ideas Nemesis to see if they work. Also, on a high note, I got CF working, that was fun, but I had similar issues with my Blitz and CF, so I kinda knew what to do with that. Now if I can get the ram work we will be golden. I will report my solution once I figure it out.
Thanks again,
Utnorris
By the way, the stock cooling for the NB and SB are not that good unless you use a fan, just a note for anyone new. The fan took the temps on the NB from 55c to 40c, almost as good as wc'ing. :D
Thanks,
Utnorris
Sorry, one more quick question, I did a search and it seems that bios 907 was reading the CPU temp incorrectly, well I am using the Rampage bios 403 and am having the same issue. I also noticed it on the Maximus 1102 bios. I run coretemp, so it isn't an issue, but is this a common thing or do I possible have a bad board?
Thanks,
Utnorris
Best read for info on what's what. It's the X48 version but that's essentially a screened/binned x38 chipset. I'm using rampage 403 bios as well (typed 406 by mistake). I may flash back to the 308 since many feel it was the best.
Is there any bios for formula that supports E0 stepping?
308 is best so far imo, it offers best bandwidth and stability.
407 is required for E0 stepping
408 is buggy and my hardware dosent seem to like it much
Updating to the latest chipset drivers will resolve that, it did for me.
Post your bios setup DET DRAM is a PL/strap setting, set wrong. It can easily be fixed.
Home from work today, seems I'm ( cough cough) sick. Guess I'll have to toss the MFII together and see what it can do compared to MF
GRNFINGER........I have the max2, doing fine Hit the 450fsb x9 with no problems, still testing
Thanks for the info. let me know how its goes for u
the 1207 bios supports FULLY the EO Quads.
the 1201 bios supported the Q9650 but didnt show the name Q9650 it only said a 3ghz quad core.
1207 bios works like a charm. i have notived ZERO difference in overclocking but now the bios, cpu-z and all other programs report the Q9650 properly.
also the 1201 did not report temps properly in the bios.
1207 reports cpu temps properly.
Adata extreme 1200
Screeny - as I said - my temps suck because I've knackered the mount... (lost a screw and 2 washers somehow)
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/8...6004ghzpw5.jpg
Although saying that it does run hot - runs ~10c lower where as my E6750 ran ~40c average and ~70c stressed...
~Bex
Well it should be 10c lower if you know about the 45nm chips and the 95c TJunction.
If you do, i apologize.
45NM Chips have a 95c TJunction and not 105c like many CPU Temp. monitors will read.. Not sure how they react to the new E0 chips, but my E8400 does.
I use REALTEMP by Unclewebb, here at XS.
Yeah no I know, I think I've got realtemp on here. I just use Coretemp for quickness....
~Bex
I havent read it yet but apparently your wrong.
TJMax is 100c
http://intel.wingateweb.com/US08/pub...TS001_100r.pdf
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=198687
XS thread
some of the interesting points
E8xxx and e7xxx processor TJmax is 100 degrees
Q9xxx and Q8xxx also have 100 degree TJmax
QX9770 has a TJmax of 85 degrees
Like I said I have not read it yet so if I'm wrong my apologies
Well if I use Realtemp my temps do indeed drop by 10c. I thought it was 100c too but some are indeed sayign 95c but just checked realtemp and it says 100 and is 10c lower so I'm going to go with that :)
~Bex
http://shrani.si/f/23/Tv/29jfEExW/4350.jpg
Can somebody give me link to 1207 bios?
Ok well my 460x8.5 = 3.9 and 1105 on the ram with a 266 strap.
It fails intelburntest, but currently trying P95 and OCCT. i havent been able to get intelburntest to give me straight numbers on 5 tests at level 1 (maximum) before so im going back to the oldies. if this can run OCCT and P95 for 2 hours and then i'll play some games and we'll see what happens.
My ram used to be locked at 1000 on the eVGA 780i. now im at 1105. Amazing :clap:
Also, i have DRAM Static Read Control off, AI Clock Twister set to LIGHTER, and my timings at 6-6-6-18. Once this is deemed stable i will start tightening and starting with the static read control to enabled, and clock twister set to moderate hopefully.
Any suggestions of what i should try?
Well if you cant pass linpack your not stable
That GSkill ram is what I would be looking hard at.
Mine overclocks like a dog bump the volts a notch or two and set Clock Skew to advance 250ps on both channels, that wont hurt bandwidth any but should stablize the ram nicely.
Vista is installing now :D
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f...finger/RIG.jpg
Yea well P95 and OCCT (P95 on BLEND and OCCT on RAM) have been running for 1hour and still going strong, while playing music and browsing web. Going to let it go for another 30min then i'll put your clock skew settings in and try it. Thanks for the advice btw!
Also, i cant push the ram voltage any further. its rated 1000Mhz at 2.1v and i have it at 1105 @ 2.21v so im pretty maxed on the DIMM voltage.
If you think of anything else please tell me :)
My ram is rated for 2.1 as well I run in bios 2.12 the board overvolts .8 so that gives 2.20 actual. Anything less for my ram and it craps out.
Running @ 1080MHz 2.20 volts 5-5-5-15 Dram Static enabled and Twister to stronger PL7 I would fail memory test in mins.
Once clock skew was set to advanced 250ps rock solid!
wow ok sounds like it makes a huge difference. its still going, but im about to cancel it out and try your 250 settings.
Yea i know about the board overvolting. i originally had it set to 2.1v so it was effectively 2.19v in BIOS so i ended up with 2.12v in bios and that equals out to 2.21v
Oh yea, i have PF at 15..
Ok i set Clk skew on both channels to 250.
Burntest running atm.
Ok first number on Residual<Norm> is 1.547420e+008
2nd number is 2.575707e+008
3rd number is 1.141571e+010
Numbers are alot closer then they were last time, but i enabled Dram Static Read Control. In the BIOS it says that when it is disabled it might enhance Ram OC'ing abilitiy. have you noticed higher results with it disabled? Going to try it now
Ok, i disabled Dram Static Read Control and the numbers are
6.592619e+009
2.880379e+009
1.044944e+009
See how off they are? Cant seem to get them good :(
ok ram is at 912 atm with AI Clock Twister at STRONGER with PFL at 9. Dram Static Read Control enabled, Clock skews advanced 250ps.
Tried PFL at 7 but wouldnt post. hung at Det. DRAM
Still tweaking.
Passed 5 runs of IntelBurnTest at lvl 1 (Maximum)
Update
ram timings tightened to 5-5-4-12. going steady so far
I just had to jump in and say.. Grnfinger, that block looks like it was made for that board with the contour of the mount and the voltage hardware on the mobo. Extremely sexy looking!:up: I hope everything works as good as it looks.:)
Nah, not worth it. i cant just increase the Mhz anyway. im not going to raise the strap to get a higher ram speed. Im at a 333 strap, the next step is 1105 and thats proven unstable. 1153 is 266strap lowest setting. Im fine with 912 as i can make the timings so tight its insane. 5-4-4-12 is stable so far. going for 4-4-4-12. if thats stable i'll try to further lower them.
I lowered my common performance level even further to 8. im going to try 6 in a bit once i get 4-4-4-12 and we'll see. REALLY impressed with this board and the way it handles my ram. 780i sucks compared to this.
Ok, another update.
5-4-4-12 proven stable. Moved on to bumping the FSB to 465 equaling to 3.96 on the CPU and 931 on the ram. .06 extra Mhz on the CPU and 10 extra Mhz on the RAM and i didnt have to touch any voltages. VERY happy :)
no those temps are about correct.
dont sit here for one minute and think that just because of those low volts that the temps AUTOMATICALLY = low thats 100% false.
4ghz on air just the GHZ alone,, that will give you temps about in that range...
the 10deg was only for the early E8xx chips.
i have not seen anything about bad temps with the new ones.
you guys did this the last time you posted a link.. learn how to post links please
ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/mb/so...ximus_Formula/
you see the ... in the address... wrong...
you guys did this the last time you posted a link..
ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/mb/so...ximus_Formula/
you see the ... in the address even when you click on it... wrong... tsk tsk tsk
Yeah, the Apogee GT looks like it was made for that board.
Anyway, after a day and half of fighting with the board I came to the conclusion it may be defective, probably why it was returned. Anyway, I put my Blitz back in and now I have both sticks running and I am able to oc my chip to 4Ghz with little effort, got to love when things go right. So, that being said, thanks everyone for the help, unfortunately the Maximus just isn't for me. Even with all the great info in this thread I kept hitting a wall and I just don't have the time to mess with it anymore.
Again, thanks for all the help,
Utnorris
408 is sweet:
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/341/vantageslc1.jpg
Check these results http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...hlight=rampage
Really liking the Maximus II
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f...r/3dmark-1.jpg
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f...inger/3825.jpg
Nice! im running 3.92 @ 460FSB. Computer never felt so fast :)
Could you share your exact memory settings breakdown?
Mine are:
Memory Speed @ 912 (5-4-4-12) 2T Command Rate (1:1 Ratio)
Clock Skews @ Advanced 250ps
DRAM Static Control Read : Enabled
AI Clock Twister : STRONGER
Common Performance Level : 8
This is on a Maximus / Rampage Formula running the 0308 BIOS.
407 is really fussy for me. Have to set my RAM timings manaully on all straps to be able to use the 1st RAM speed. If I use the 2nd higher speed, I can leave it on auto and boots no issues. Getting alot of blue screens but now that I'm doing it manually it's not giving RAM errors etc...
Don't know if it's worth trying 408 - think it just hates me end off - 308 was so nice.... why can't it have nice E8600 support :'(
~Bex
0408 BIOS has given decent stability to a couple of people in this thread.
I love the 0308. By the time i get my E8400 E0 stepping chip they'll be 2 more bios releases
Can somebody point me to the right direction to find the best bios config to setup 4x1GB of memory ram?