1.45 @ 4ghz is too much
1.3vcore/1.3vtt should run it stable @ 450x9
did you oc via easytune or bios?
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1.45 @ 4ghz is too much
1.3vcore/1.3vtt should run it stable @ 450x9
did you oc via easytune or bios?
bios, it drops to 1.328 load according to cpuz. I posted a SS on the other page at 4Ghz here it is...Quote:
Originally Posted by NapalmV5
http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/1...z247il9.th.jpg
thanks for the suggestion, I'm gonna break out my dmm after i get some lunch and see what's really up with this 100hx :yepp:
road-runner/anyone using ep45
easy oc :)
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/2483/96760630ep6.jpghttp://img530.imageshack.us/img530/7594/39087987em7.jpg
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/3254/80586177ou8.jpghttp://img225.imageshack.us/img225/7474/55182383pi7.jpg
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/4636/21194053uz5.jpg
thermalright ifx14/2 x ystech fan/modded op1000 psu
here some SS i posted on the X48 R/F thread
LLC is disabled
this an early O/C
as i haven't really had the time to fine tune this O/C .
I'm really letting it burn-in for awhile @ 4GHz
;p
CPUZ show a clock speed as 4050.1MHz
multi 9
bus speed 450
FSB 1800
real temp 33,29,33,33 idle ambiant 26.2 c
core Voltage 1.336 idle
realtemp load temps 46,40,43,43 prime 95 ambiant temp 26.2 c
core volts under prime 95 load 1.296
LLc disabled
memory
dram freq. 450.0
FSB;dram 1 to 1
clocks as set in bios
btw all cpu features: NX/C1E/C2/C2E/C4/C4E/TM2/VT all disabled.. never used any of these features
youre welcome.. reason why ive stuck around.. help you/share with you every step of the way.. i cant stand those 4-4.2ghz clocks :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Utnorris
Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
look guys it all comes down to voltage regulation.. your mobo dictates that.. some do better than others but most do worst.. once you adjust your psu.. the psu dictates the voltage regulation not the mobo sorta speakQuote:
Originally Posted by funkflix
as plainly as i can put it
get someone more experienced to show you then youll catch on.. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by zlojack
Does not work on mine :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by NapalmV5
then you have to adjust v12 on the 750 psu or try a beefy 1000w psu but even that will have to be adjusted if necessary
but do fiddle around with higher vcore vtt pll i/o
I saw a Silerverstone PSU that has a built in potentiometer to adjust the single +12v rails.
I read it at jonnyguru review. I think he around here but I doubt he still remember how much the poti gonna effect the rails.
SilverStone Decathlon DA850 850W (Click)
Attachment 86228
i have the op850 and have adjusted v12 pot @ max.. the psu is not able to boot such high clocks :)
I think it has been shown that as long as the 12v line is within spec (11.50v to 12.40?), adjusting the pots makes no difference because no matter how high you adjust it, the voltage regulators still have to adjust the input power; therefore the higher the incoming voltage, the bigger the strain on the VRs. I think that vtt at 1.9 makes a lot of a difference; I don't think I have the balls to do it. As far as adjusting rails, the 3.3v line would is more important especially when clocking vdimm up to 2.8, because if all the rails are loaded, that 3.3v could drop real quickly, so ample overhead is a good thing.
*sigh* over and over.. im trying/willing to help/show you guys what it takes to achieve such high clocks.. and yet some here argue against it.. fine, you guys know better? show everyone here what you got!
leave you guys with the recipe:
1. beefy/chunky minimum 1000watt psu - still may have to be adjusted ~v12.5 if psu features 3 pots youll have greater control
2. beefy/chunky p35/p45 mobo - hearty chokes/caps/phases/bios options
3. ram that eats volts for breakfast @ default/higher clocks
4. your guts/balls/whatever you got :)
whom you listen to what you do and how you do it is all up to you but
even if you dont achieve your oc goals.. do enjoy what you can achieve with what youve got :)
wish you all great clocks and happy ocing
Here is what I got so far. I am 9x450 for 4005MHz. Here are the settings:
Vcore 1.35625v(reading @ 1.304) - vdroop drops it to 1.27v under load
PLL 1.60v(reading @ 1.680v)
FSB VTT 1.4v(reading @ 1.344v)
NB 1.47v(reading @ 1.488v)
LLC Auto
I appreciate the time you've taken to give us advice. I have learned a few things from you :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by NapalmV5
DUH turn LLC on, that way you dont get such ridiculous vdroop :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by ElAguila
I got a good one:
Q9650
FPO/BATCH L820A930
VID 1.2125V
My PC is still under production so tests will come when everything is hooked up properly...
hey napalm I am impressed!! however I would like to see a full range of benches run at that speed.
3D06, 05,03 pcmark05, super pi 32M, Aquamark 3 otherwise it is nothing more than an unproven suicide shot
post cpuz and gpuz in the shot along with the bench and the appropriate link.
Then I will really give you some credit.....You will deserve it!!
You can use my sig as an example, All claims have a cpu validation.
WZ
Yes I am going to play with the LLC this weekend when I have more time to devote to oc'ing this bad boy. I am using a TRUE cooler. I am looking for the highest stable oc that I can run 24/7. Mine is an E0 stepping and SLB8W/L822B509 with a vid of 1.215. Are there any settings other than the LLC that you think need to change?
Quote:
Originally Posted by NapalmV5
I got a Gigabyte ODIN GT 800w and you can ajust all the voltage rails thru the p_tuner software.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparda
12v line can go as high as 12.40v on the multimeter.
Dunno if that enough, what you think Napalm?
I'm stuck at 4365mhz 485FSB. I'm pretty sure its a FSB issue not max CPU OC.
I dropped multi to 8 and left all settings the same and still couldnt get stable at 490.
Windows will freeze a few minutes after booting. I've tried upping vcore, NB, SB, FSBT, and PLL.
Also i tried transaction booster on auto. My NB and SB never go over 55c.
Here are my bios settings and at the end a ss of 8hrs stable at my highest OC.
Thanks in advance for any help.
12v in everest is 12.10 idle and 12.04 loaded during prime small fft
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/2...turevs2.th.jpghttp://img524.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gifCode:Extreme Tweaker
AI Overclock Tuner: Manual
Ratio CMOS Setting: 9.0
FSB Frequency: 487
CPU Clock Skew: Auto
North Bridge Clock Skew: Auto
FSB Strap to North Bridge: Auto
DRAM Frequency: Auto
DRAM Clock Skew CH1 A1: Auto
DRAM Clock Skew CH1 A2: Auto
DRAM Clock Skew CH1 B1: Auto
DRAM Clock Skew CH1 B2: Auto
DRAM Timing Control: Auto
CAS# Latency: 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5
RAS# Precharge: 5
RAS# Activate Time: 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay: 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time: 52
Write Recovery Time: 6
Read to Precharge Time: 3
Read to Write Delay (S/D): 7
Write to Read Delay (S): 3
Write to Read Delay (D): 5
Read to Read Delay (S): 4
Read to Read Delay (D): 6
Write to Write Delay (S): 4
Write to Write Delay (D): 6
Write to Pre Delay: 14
Read to Pre Delay: 5
Pre to Pre Delay: 1
All Pre to ACT Delay: 6
All Pre to REF Delay: 6
DRAM Static Read Control: Auto
DRAM Read Training: Auto
MEM OC Charger: Auto
AI Clock Twister: Strong
Transaction Booster: Manual
Common Performance Level [10]
Pull-In of CHA PH1: Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2: Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3: Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1: Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2: Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3: Disabled
PCI-E Frequency: 101
CPU Voltage: 1.34575V
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.55300V
FSBT: 1.35175V
DRAM Voltage: 2.11800V
North Bridge Voltage: 1.57700V
South Bridge Voltage 1.5: 1.55300V
South Bridge Voltage 1.1: Auto
CPU GTL Reference 0: Auto
CPU GTL Reference 1: -50mV
CPU GTL Reference 2: Auto
CPU GTL Reference 3: -45mV
North Bridge GTL Reference: Auto
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage: Auto
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage: Auto
North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto
Load Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCI-E Spread Spectrum: Disabled
Just ran 4 pass memtest all tests at 500x8 no errors. I tried upping pll to 1.7 and nb to 1.6 and taking out 4gb ram. When trying to boot into windows at 495 or 500x8 i almost make it to desktop but screen stays black right before the desktop. I'm gonna try an older bios now.
Edit: tried 0907 bios no difference. I'm in windows now at 490x8 3920mhz but as soon i reached desktop the sidebar errored out. so it should freeze any time.
I still can't get my Q9650 up to 450 FSB and stable, I'm using a Rampage Extreme and I'm pretty sad about this :(.
batteries recharged!
youre welcome :)Quote:
Originally Posted by TheScavenger
lets get smtg xtremely straight.. im not expecting any credit whatsoever.. im not here for that.. nor do i want/need any credit from anyone.. im here if you guys want to take a ride with me to xtreme clocksQuote:
Originally Posted by WeldZilla
dont like it.. np im not forcing anyone
as for 24/7 stability i could care less atm.. my # 1 focus is max max clocks and will not rest.. later i can waste my time to find 24/7 stable clocks
i take it youve only seen my oc @ 4806
i didnt think 4.8ghz would complete 3dmark01 but it did on air:
4.9ghz valid @ all air + 4.8ghz 3dmark
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=203329
3dmarks @ 4.5ghz
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=202491
5ghz valid @ vapoLS
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=202987
give it a try and see how far itll take you.. but dont expect miracles from it.. its just a starting pointQuote:
Originally Posted by Jor3lBR
certainly do try another mobo/ram/psu/combo :up: dont give upQuote:
Originally Posted by nugzo
Napalm, i do not really want to attack you in any way, but do you ever spend a thought, that you are the one lucky guy, that found the golden Q9650/CPU/Mobo-combo all people ever searching for?
Now here are a lot of people who think they can clock there Q9650 to > 4600MHz easily, just by playing with perfect(high) voltages, low vcore, and with a psu with modded rails, that should have min. 1000W.
I can run 4500MHz 1.42V load all benches, a lot of hours long. If i want to go to 4600MHz i just need to up the vcore to 1.48V load. Any other voltages doesnt't really matter at this point. Every cpu stops working on a other point, thats a fact. :)
Do not see this as a attack, it is just based on experience. Imho i think you should realise that too?
Must be lost in translation as I do not understand what point you are trying to make. Are you saying that he/we shouldn't expect higher clocks? Or that it takes a lot to get to 4600 and beyond?Quote:
Originally Posted by funkflix
This is not meant as an attack, just looking for clarification.
Thanks,
Utnorris
He always posts sentences like: "it's no problem to reach high fsb, with this and that settings" " you just need a modded psu with > 1000W" etc.
It just sounds like every cpu will go up to > 540MHz FSB, or > 4600MHz with the things i wrote above. But i don't think it will be like that. :)
Now people maybe will buy 5 new motherboards, 5 new psus, maybe new memory and imho at the end they will just realise that the cpu isn't better then before.
Just what i think. :)
PS.: But maybe you do not understand what i mean bcs. of my bad english? Sorry, i try to do my best. :)
I've been following this thread for awhile now, and from what i can see NapalmV5 is right on the money, he is making perfect sence in my head, we are raising the voltages on every bit of out boards/cpus except the 12, 5 and 3.3 volt supplys to it, from what i understand by doing this it is keeping volts not only stable but above what they need to be...just like what we have to do to overclock our cpu's...but there comes a point in overclocking where it is necessary to overclock/over volt other things besides vtt and nb..hence over the years how we have seen so many more options for voltage control, doing the psu thing is just the next step....i say well done NapalmV5, your thinking outside of the box, and thats why you have, and will do better...
Regards Andrew
Just keep in mind that generally Napalm is pretty modest in his posts, so he may still be in denial that he's got a golden chip...but yeah, like I posted before, you cannot adjust just one voltage...if you are, the others are too high in the first place!
First psu i modded with adjustable rails was in early '04, it is nothing really new. And there was a reason these days, the vdimm limtied by the +3.3V rail.
After that i bought the OCZ Powerstream wich had adjustable rails at the back of the psu.
Maybe someone else(more known, respected guy?)will explain how the difference is between the voltages you can set in bios especially to your different components and the voltages a psu give to the system.
I'm out now. Good luck with Q9650 oc to all of you! :up:
Ajusting RAILS to achieve better OC is as old as Lincoln but kudos for Napalm to use this with today's OC's as well. I did have a OCZ 520 with adjustable rails and to OC a good old DFi Nf2 'sista' it would require a lot of tweaking in 3.3v and 12v rail.
Nope, this I get and as I stated before, I wasn't attacking you, just didn't understand what you were trying to state, so I apologize if I offended you, that was not my intention.Quote:
Originally Posted by funkflix
I have a single rail psu. Before I make any adjustments to it though I want to see how high I can go with the vdroop control enabled on this mobo. I will start working on the oc again in the morning. I was wondering what kind of NB voltages people are needing to get this board stable beyond 450fsb.
4GHz with 1,2VCore :)
http://www.abload.de/img/q96504ghz12-41280x768a8v.jpg
When you post your voltage settings please post your GTL Ref settings as well.
Q9650 is a very successfull chip. Good job guys, great overclocking!
QFT.Quote:
Originally Posted by funkflix
Not to mention he went through 4 boards (Foxconn Mars, Black Ops, and a P35 board) before he realized his sweet spot. Lesson, it's not all about the PSU, or CPU. It's a combination of everything. All the PSU has to do is be reliable; supplying a sustained current to the board. I got a PCP & C Turbo-Cool 860, and saw no difference between that and the Antec EW 500 I was using before. Not to belabor the point.
Edit: Plus that 1.90v+ Vtt. I bet that's not for you folks who are here to find 24/7 stable clocks.
I can run 3DM01 at 4599, just have not been able to get higher...
http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/9...e002cu2.th.jpg
Hello guys, please what's the lowest VID on these chips?
Mine is 1.25...Quote:
Originally Posted by dawdaw
Intel says VID range 0.85V – 1.3625V
http://processorfinder.intel.com/det...px?sSpec=SLB8W
Mine is 1.225
Thanks:up:
welcome to " Club Le Q9650" one Damn Sweet CPU !Quote:
Originally Posted by RealRedRaider
well I'm down to 4.050 with only 1.3v vCore 100% prime stable 8hrs ^^ I was having heat issues as my d-tek fuzion v1 is beginning to fail me :( so i decided to move down in clocks and much in voltage
the vtt really does the trick with this chip. I took mine up to 1.4, not because I needed to but I just felt like it :)
well sniipe.. my q9650 not one iota better than yours :up:
most of the B q9650s on the right hardware/cooling should do ~4.5ghz :)
even the worst q9650 out there with some loving voltage/cooling budge should do ~4.5ghz :D
i dont care/despite what anyone says :p:
You just wait and see what happens when I get my proc lapped and the apogee GTZ + 2xMCR320's on there!
one problem is that my board has issues over 460 FSB. Once the p45 avenger comes out it will be on overnight shipping to me and then we will really see this proc burn some rubber :yepp:
Let us know how it goes!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by RealRedRaider
I'm thinking of getting one for christmas.
Hello everyone.
I joined this site over a week ago after Finally getting my Q9650.. I've been coming here for awhile, but never joined. I finally did and I'm exited to start posting on a new, and great forum. I've been sent here by many many people as this is one of the best places for us Enthusiasts. Finally past the waiting period. :)
After seeing this thread it made me abandon my plan on getting the Q9550. I just went for the Q9650, no more waiting. I wanted a E0. I'm now very happy to say that 4.0 Ghz was very very easy to do with this thing. I've pushed for 4.2 Ghz on my eVGA 750i. and thats farthest so far. Will try farther later. I've been following all yours posts Napalm, looks like you sure know what your doing. I'm new to this (4 months Oc'n.) and I've heard of modding PSU's a few years back.. I'd love to get some info from you in helping me do that.
Here's my latest clock, and more will soon come.
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=424978
edit* I have the Q9650 with VID of 1.2500 :( but still clocks great.)
Batch # L822B363
xguntherc
Good clock and you`re welcome, mate ;)
Thank you sir.
I'm glad I finally post here. Time to start gettin some help hopefully. I'm wondering about this PSU modding and what not.
Also I have a question for everyone. Who all has a Q9650 that has overclocked it with a VTT past 1.4v
I've heard this talk about don't exceed 1.37vcore, and now I'm hearing it for the FSB/VTT. is this true. I have mine like this for 4.0 Ghz.
1.3312v BIOS 1.296v CPU-Z
1.30v FSB/VTT
2.1 VDIMM
I'm wondering about this FSB/VTT Myth, looks like Napalm is pushing 1.9v+ or so on his FSB/VTT and his is still going strong. Whoever has had there Q9650 for a decent while with a High FSB/VTT please let me know. I'm wondering how long peoples are lasting so far, anyone had any problems yet?
in the BIOS, the 12v shows up as 11.92v is that pretty good. and how can I mod that.?? I wanna push this thing harder.
Thanks!
I think it may be possible that these E0 chips are more durable than other 45nm, but dont quote me on that ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by xguntherc
Ya that could be possible, I'm not sure by how much. as they have the same architecture right?
that would be an interesting thing to try and see. I'm wondering how long some of ours will last if we gave them 1.5 FSB/VTT even though I'm not going to go much higher than 1.4v on VTT on mine. Don't wanna risk it yet.
Thats the batch I have red, 4050 mhz 1.3vcore is great :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by RealRedRaider
usually the B chips are the best overclockers, I would say just get down to using it :up:
hmmm, interesting dilemma, :shrug: I dont know how newer ones have been doingQuote:
Originally Posted by RealRedRaider