Printable View
using fudzilla as a source = fail ... why dont we wait till the 22nd ... the secrets have been kept nicely since the 6800 series .. why cant it be possible that amd just want to surprise us on the 22nd and say surprise ... our new baby is here ready to be shipped ...
Despite the screenshot looks veeeeery fake, starting at Catalyst 10.10 a mysterious key appeared at video driver key: EQAA which can mean Enhanced Quality Anti-Aliasing or something like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jowy Atreides
Setting a value to that key doesn't change anything, but future drivers may have surprises in that area.
Sadly i don't arrive to believe FUD anymore... They have write the same things about the 6870 for weeks, speaking about problem of 40nm TSMC, report of the launch, delay then, don't expect see them before november, december ..lol
.. specially, other site report the invert yet taking their source on AIB's ....
On LP2, Hawk2 benchmark.... 100% confirmedQuote:
Originally Posted by flopper
And Intel's LRB will come out in 2 weeks to offer 5x of GTX580 performance. Your claim is about as good. :shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by flopper
No source, no proof, no base --> BS.
Edit: unless I massively miss your sarcasm, of course.
How's the weather in Wonderland? Tell Alice I said hi!Quote:
Originally Posted by flopper
:D
Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
i bet the weather is wonderfull ;)
The important question is: Can a GTX580 beat a 5970?Quote:
Originally Posted by Picao84
I don't think so ... Very near maybe ...Quote:
Originally Posted by safan80
Does it matter if a 5970 is more expensive?Quote:
Originally Posted by safan80
Quote:
Originally Posted by Picao84
antilles's release soon .. so its price is likely to fall ....
Or will be EOL at this time (using the last in stocks for RMA )...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n
But let's imagine the 6970 have +- the perf of the 5970, what will you buy ? a dualgpu who have 14months, or a fresh new 6970?
i just came across this rumor... AMD Set to Introduce Radeon HD 7000 Southern Islands in Q2 2011
i know that it has nothing to do with cayman but i didn't think it deserves its own thread since it comes from some not so trust worthy sourcesQuote:
This latest development in the graphics card saga comes from a pretty shady website named, adequately enough, RumorPedia.net, that claims one source “close to AMD” told them Souther Islands GPU family will be released sometime in early 2011.
While a 28nm pipe cleaner might be possible in Q2, I don't think there's any doubt that SI will have to wait for at least H2 2011.
7000 series Q2 ???? how possible is that??? .. LOLL
[crysisnanosuite]Quote:
Originally Posted by DjKlax
"maximum fud engaged"
[/crysisnanosuite]
Quote:
Originally Posted by DjKlax
i think the word INTRODUCE is a good way to make us think its about a release, when really its about an announcement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n
maybe thats the purpose of kaicos although i think they want to release it before q2. maybe with a second revision it could happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pantsu
The only chance AMD has with beating Nvidia and its 580gtx kick ass ftw card is to do 28nm flawlessly but that wont happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by DjKlax
AMD is scared, they know they are beaten by Nvidias new design, hell they cant even write a bios to 6970 or even have a driver or a card to sell!
AMD is well known as a budget oriented company, playing underdog that goes with a loss every quarter, how can they even compete in the same leque as Nvidia or Intel at all?
They cant, so they do the marketing BS, we do small chips with great watt/performance, meaning smaller chips more cash due to them are cheaper to produce but dont deliver enough performance for a xtremesystem forum reader as we buy the biggest bad ass cards and if they aint bad enough we spank them, up with whips, chains and overvoltage and a cousin we would sell for it to go a inch faster.
Quote:
Originally Posted by flopper
leave drugs alone my man ... its bad for you ;)
says the guy with an amd card in his system.Quote:
Originally Posted by flopper
don't you know nvidia fanboys aren't supposed to even look at an amd card?
*facepalms*Quote:
Originally Posted by flopper
Would be more inclined to believe a 6770 28nm chip is likely.Quote:
Originally Posted by DjKlax
Probably it's going to be a 4770 type card, to make sure everything goes well with the transition to 28nm.
I still can't say if he(flopper) really believes in Wonderland or he is speaking with tongue in cheek.I kinda think it's the former.
It's not that AMD can't 'win' as you put it, it's that they've chosen a different route. This has brought commercial success in the last couple of years, and shook Nvidias strangle hold since the 8800 cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by flopper
As for the comment about 'AMD being budget orientated', you will have to explain what that actually means. In my eyes budget means cheap for the masses. Seeing as AMD sell the most expensive consumer card for GPUs, and have expensive CPUs, you'll have to excuse my ignorance if I don't class them as purely budget orientated.
As for your last point, well that is purely flame bait/trolling. Extremsysytems could be said to be more about maxing different bits of kit, rather than sticking with the 'best'. it's all subjective what this site is about, although recently it's been about fanboy this vs that, which is being cracked down on.
AMD needs a 6770 before Q2 2011 IMHOQuote:
Originally Posted by kadozer
i lol'dQuote:
Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n
I think that SI is not very likely to happen in H1 2011 but i think that Cayman is going to be superior to GTX580 in gaming and that antilles i going to be in a completely different league..
can't wait until NV releases 580 next week and AMD cayman in late november, it's going to be a great fight!
PS: Anyone noticed the lack of annoying fanboy wars and trolling in the news forum? I think that it's great that the mods finally put an end to the trolls :)
Due to AMD knows 580gtx, they now are secretly in meeting, Huddy and Dave B is said to sit into a corner, sweaty, not from consfusion or hard work but the heat from the card sitting in the machine as they run it in benchmarks, looks at numbers and runs again.
Is it true they says, and Dave looks worried, its a monster, its a 580 says Huddy, its not as good as the book from Steven Erikson with the Bridgeburner squad but come darn close to be from hell as hot it is.
They now cast an eye to the other side of the room, as the girls sit down, chat and smile they smack their heads, they should have tested this card instead of our new dualcard that runs so cool.
(they dont know the girls havent even started the computer yet as they idle away with the latest gossip from nvidia)
The world of secrets, is a not so mystical world as people belive it is.
AMD cut down the leaks, and then people vanished without a trace, asian news is reporting mytical events, shady figures running around, men in black is reported everywhere and its all hush hush.
People think they play fair, but its all cloak and dagger stuff, hired gun for sale and assasin for the creed and brotherhood.
Its events in dark rooms are not the ones you hear about normally, the inside scoop comes from a usb key with its hand still attach to it floating in bengzhaih river.
Some say, plug in the USB key and ghosts appear.
No one as far who has done that has been seen since then, only thing left is a usb key with a hand.
and a slogan,
AMD will own 580GTX no matter what Flopper says...
Ok, hes really smoking something :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by flopper
Quote:
Originally Posted by flopper
please give me the number of your dealer bro i need some of that stuff too
I think its more attributed to lack of info/leaks sadly. (fanboy wars)Quote:
Originally Posted by generics_user
what new design ? didn't realised that adding a number to another makes it a new design^^Quote:
Originally Posted by flopper
I see what you did therr..Quote:
Originally Posted by flopper
thank you this thread was getting pretty boring with lack of info. Damn you AMD...
Has someone hacked this guys account?Quote:
Originally Posted by flopper
no hes just trying to make this thread interesting by trolling a bit. hes not really an nvidia fanboy btw.
I think hes saying the "opposite" of what he really means.
He's LHFAO at his keyboard now ;)
Anyway no Chips no BIOS and no Drivers to partners is complete BS, I can't find it but doesn't anyone remember the slide that said Cayman was clearly labeled as MBA (manufactured by AMD)??
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying duck
didnt sources also say 6870 would be a paper launch? how do we know this is happening with all the partners?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eagleclaw
I still call fud on that one I think it will be out on time. Maybe with a few hitches with a partner here and there but still out on time.
Yeah http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=26643Quote:
Originally Posted by Dimitriman
But Fud could be right, if my memory serves me I think the 4870 had a few weeks delay due to bios/drivers.
what sucks is we wont really know till mid night nov 22nd...:shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by kadozer
but i love the anxious waiting period
Good Lord, how long is that card????
I'd say about as long as 5870.Quote:
Originally Posted by screwtech02
http://overclock.pl/images/articles/...eon_5870_2.jpg
Giefffffff:shocked:
@Jowy Atreides
Forgot to add: DVI x2, HDMIx1, mDPx2, 6+8 pin power connectors
zalbard's picture is Asus EAH5870.not HD 6970. ;)
Did you bother actually reading my post? Or just looked at the image? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by SpuTnicK
Because it is a 5870;))
Jowy Atreides card says Radeon Graphics AMD on the fan;)
Damn to late^^
I did read your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
Just made clear for every body ;)
Thanks Jowy :up:
edit : original thread http://diybbs.zol.com.cn/11/198_101958.html
no 5870 have this cooling, this is just an old sticker. ;)
Have you seen benchmarks of a 5970 overclocked vs a GTX480 overclocked? I don't think that GTX580 will have any problems against 5970. How it will perform against Antilles is the more important question.Quote:
Originally Posted by safan80
Thank god, I'm happy it'll be packing a backplate. :yepp:
There, fixed for you. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ
(I wouldn't be suprised if Cayman XT will be 5% or so behind GTX 580 in avg if GTX 580 is like 20% in avg faster than GTX 480 and I expect Cayman XT to bring GTX 580 prices down with around $50 at least cuz a $599 GTX 580 would look rather expensive compared to a $449 Cayman XT. I know it's pure speculation but I have a feeling this will be quite close to truth. However Cayman XT might well become priced up to $499 if it performs good enough and nvidia sticks to 550-$599 range, anyway I say 449-$499 for Cayman XT and 549-$599 for GTX 580 with very small performance difference between the two and Antilles will still be significantly faster than GTX 580 by at least GTX 480 vs 5970 margin but cost will be the what seems to have become the accepted upper-limit cost for a highend GPU; $699 which will quite soon drop to $649)
EDIT: There fixed it for those who don't like reading BS speculation. ^^
HD 6970
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/1037/57330977.jpgQuote:
HD6970 is a DDR5 2G memory core frequency of confidentiality do not speak other temporary 860mHZ
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/2003/33206684.jpg
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/7273/22433506.jpg
That's 1 huge brick. Now bench a couple games and leak them pls.
Quote:
Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD
You're aiming too low. The question should be - how much does the 6970 beat the 580?
Also, how much does the 6950 beat the 580?
They both will, even if it's marginal for the 6950.
Yeah, no speculation there at all. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD
Where are you getting those numbers?
+1, If they got the card you'd think they'd be benchmarking it by now...Quote:
Originally Posted by kadozer
Your expectations don't make sense, then 6950 would have to cost at least 549~$599 and HD6970 with whatever advantage it have perhaps $699 and Antilles would be only available to rich bastards for $899 and then that would be rather aggressive pricing vs performance for the competitor. You think the market would accept such prices? :rofl: Another point would be power consumption/efficiency? AMD would sure have some wizard engineers to be able to create such performance increase yet on 40nm node not to mention the limited development time. xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Jowy Atreides
From my head using logical guesses based on historical pattern, trends, current manufacturing process node status, how much spareroom for improvement does it look to be there still on current gen, "what I had aimed for being in charge of the company", what feels right etc, like I said, speculation. ^^ Some speculations are more logical than others though.Quote:
Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ
860MHz for Cayman XT or Pro ??
Never mind, just saw it says HD6970
Actually your reply doesn't make sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD
Where did he mention prices, and who says AMD will necessarily price their product higher than Nvidia even if they perform better?
Quote:
Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD
Your logic doesn't make sense.
AMD will undercut nvidia at around $450 for the 6970, steal their sales.
A repeat of the 4870 v 280.
My expectations are fine. Think of the advantages of the 6970 vs the 6870. Now look at the efficiency of avg fps / watt.
Alone, at the very least, you have to admit the 2gb frame buffer will win AMD all the 2560+AA benches. Then you have the fact the cards will be faster.
No, its you who are not making any sense, why would AMD need to price them same way as nVidia? There is nothing to stop AMD pricing them to 300-500 range if they can make profit from it, also when Barts is already around 200, what would fill the cap? Leave it to competitor? no that would be stupid. So price your cards accordingly, if it gives more power than competitor at lower price, so what? You absolutely dominate market after that..Quote:
Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD
Also, if you are not aware, evergreen 5VLIW is very inefficient desing, why would not 4VLIW improve on it very much. Btw, im sure you are not in place to say anything about what performance can be extracted from 40nm node.
My expectation
DX-9/10
HD6970 = +25% from 5870
HD6950 = +10% from 5870
DX-11 Tessellation ????
mamaQuote:
Originally Posted by cold2010
wow so you expect a complete and utter failure of 6970 then...Quote:
Originally Posted by Aten-Ra
25% over 5870 barely beats a 480 do you really think AMD would go through all that trouble to release such a wimpy card or are you just hoping it will be slower than 580 cause that one is only 10 to 15 % faster than the 480 as leaks have been showing?
Average:Quote:
Originally Posted by Aten-Ra
HD6970 = +80% from 5870
HD6950 = +65% from 5870
I really hope those numbers are accurate. :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jowy Atreides
Evergreen pulled about 60% extra performance, and that is what Cayman would have to do if a 6950 were to stand against a GTX 580. While I suppose it's possible with increasing the die size and efficiency of the architecture I don't think it's going to end up that powerful. My guess would be that Cayman is only slightly larger, and if it can keep the efficiency gained in Barts it might end up something like 40% faster, which is still enough for a 6970 to beat a GTX 580.
From 1120 5d in barts to 1920 4d vliw tweaked in cayman alone is a 71% increase.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rai
Factor in the ipc improvement, the much larger framebuffer, the new offload tesselation engine and you have a very feasible 80% bump in speed.
Edit: Don't forget the clockspeed being 860Mhz compared to the 725Mhz of Barts xt.
Think about the logical evidence of the architectural changes shown above and you'll most likely conclude like myself, that the 580 is NOT going to be serious competition.
I believe 6950 will slightly beat gx 480 by 5% and cost 300 - 350$. 6970 i would say 20-25% faster than 480 @ 400 - 450$.
thats my guess.
If cayman has 1920 Shaders then I don’t see how it will have more than 20-30% performance than HD5870.
The 4D architecture will only enable them to keep the die size smaller than 400mm2 but shaders are shaders and 1920 is only 20% more than 1600 that HD5870 has.
nah barts xt is 900mhz barts pro is 785 i think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jowy Atreides
There you go wrong, 5D is rarely utilised fully, its easier to utilize 4D fully. So, that will bring lot of improvement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aten-Ra
1600/5 = 320 and 1920/4 = 480, thats 50% increase alone. Now say that Cayman SP is little underpowered compared to 5D SP of evergreen. So say there alon 40% improvement. Ofc it will eat more power if there is no improvements on that side too. Put in there tesselation improvement that will be >150% compared to evergreen. Maybe not 80% more power, but 50-60% more is very realistic approximation.
A lot of that is based on unknowns, how will games scale 4D - 5D, how will the launch drivers be, etc. The GTX 580 seems only okay, there's definitely an opportunity for AMD to strike a heavy blow here if they can pull it off/if they are again looking to compete in the high end single gpu segment. I'm hoping they deliver though. :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jowy Atreides
20% more shaders + 10% more efficiency, that 30% from 5870 I don’t expect more if clocks are 860MHz
go ahead its much better to be positively surprised.:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Aten-Ra
one thing though, nobody knows what gains there will be with 4d as this is a completely new approach.
Definitely :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dimitriman
i think its funny that they jumped to 5D so early then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dimitriman
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aten-Ra
Do some research on AMD arch. Really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mechanical Man
1 Question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rai
1. Would AMD switch to vliw4 if there was only negative changes?
No.
So, at worst case, vliw4 is equivalent to Barts in performance.
Would 71% shaders extra to a barts architecture plus double the frame buffer and a new tess engine provide a big performance increase?
There's your cream.
Afaik Evergreen was never starved for shaders. 5870 and 5850 have basically the same perf clock-to-clock. 5830 sucked because it had only 16 ROPs, so it barely beat a 5770 with 40% more shaders. It was easy for Barts to increase the efficiency by increasing the ROP count compared to the amount of shaders. It's basically an OC'd 5830 with double the ROPs. That's the secret to Barts increased perf per mm^2. Now with Cayman the same doesn't apply, so it's up to the shader architecture changes to give similar increases in performance.
i love this explanation of BartsQuote:
Originally Posted by Pantsu
except that fact you related AMDs best perf per watt gpu, with its worst, lol.
Funny thing is that you can't put Barts efficiency gains on increase in ROP. here is what AT said in its review:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pantsu
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3987/a...range-market/2Quote:
it’s worth noting that internally AMD was throwing around 2 designs for Barts: a 16 SIMD (1280 SP) 16 ROP design, and a 14 SIMD (1120 SP) 32 ROP design that they ultimately went with. The 14/32 design was faster, but only by 2%. This along with the ease of porting the design from Cypress made it the right choice for AMD, but it also means that Cypress/Barts is not exclusively bound on the shader/texture side or the ROP/raster side.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jowy Atreides
how come people dont ask you what you smoke when saying such things?
If it beats the 580, it be a good thing due to 40nm, and we cant expect miracles even with the 4d set of shaders.
Overclocking it to 1ghz+ however might turn it into a great card.
If r300 rumours are true, then it has to beat the 480gtx by around 80%
as that was what the 9700 did back in the day.(not going there not even whatever I might smoke)
That depends how AMD did reason when they saw what fermi did, and thought, Gee, the upgrade Nvidia are going to do at 28nm gonna be something, so they did their homewerk and produced a slightly bigger chip to crown the single card performance planned at 32nm but adjusted to 40nm which they might cut things out that wasnt needed this time until 28nm.
The size of the card seen as far suggest a powerhungry one.
See, Nvidia knows it, more power, more speed and more performance and forget to save the whales, we let the oceans boil.
6970 should be 20.3% faster then a 5870, putting it ahead of the 480 a few frames in some games & since i'm on a roll i'll guess 3-10% slower then a 580.
Which would make the 580 a disaster, if that was the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by cowie
we've already seen part of cayman in the 6870, we're now going to see what 4d shaders does to it.
I would expect a 20% performance increase over the 480. Which strangely, is something I expect the 580 to be like.
The only question to us, the buyer, at that point. Is what is the benefit of each card. Nvidia will have physx and a decent set of 3D, AMD will have efficiency on their side and 100 monitors support.
Take your pick, depending on what you want (I also suspect AMD can produce it cheaper).
I would have say 20.4% , from where come this 0.1% difference, does i have miss something ?Quote:
Originally Posted by cowie
lol
speculation can go + or - .03 - 70.6% depending on the moon phase ofcoarse.
Now i'm sorta with motiv
leaning 580 1.5 - 3.9% over the 6970.
I would thinnk in all fairness 20 - 25% over the 5870 asking much more would be a strech
here is another thing to talk about:
Antilles cooling system
;)
That assumes that global warming is man made and is caused by Co2.Quote:
Originally Posted by flopper
That damn Co2 from our GPU's seems to be heating up the Sun and the rest planets in our solar system as well.
haha nice. No way I could fit Antilles in my case if it is much longer than the 5870 :shakes:
Quote:
Originally Posted by SpuTnicK
Hum lets see performance speculation from an nvidia boy point of view:
Well gtx 480= 30% faster than 5870 on ALL cases at the very LEAST
gtx 580= 20% faster than 480 AT LEAST its fact and I know it cause I saw a vantage mark somewhere in a chinese forum.
gtx 580 = faster than 6970 - this is just given and automatic fact.
since gtx 480 is 30% faster than 5870 and 580 is 56% faster than 5870 (at least and everywhere) then, 6970 will be right in the middle (cause AMD is mediocre & budget) and is 28% faster than 5870.
two 8pin powerQuote:
Originally Posted by SpuTnicK
Anything less than 50% over a 5870 and i'll be quite disappointed with cayman XT.
According to one of the comments that cooling system was tested, and failed on the X1900XT. I would rather have fans pushing than pulling anyway, especially on a card like antilles. Cool vid none the less.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpuTnicK
maybe you saw a vantage score of HD5970?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dimitriman
Don't do this again. This might as well be fan fiction about Goku and Vegeta finding their love for each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpuTnicK
When it does, I'll sig you.Quote:
Originally Posted by flopper
Fancy a monetary bet on which is faster?
100 usd via moneybookers?