Not sure if you posted them Hornet, but can you share a complete list of your bios settings at your current clocks?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
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Not sure if you posted them Hornet, but can you share a complete list of your bios settings at your current clocks?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
:doh: Learn something new every day. When I get home I'll flash to f4l and start over and not be so impatient ocing my system ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
Im only trying to find my lowest possible cpu, so ram multi is at 6x.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReverendMaynard
When i put it to 8x it might need a higher voltage again. :yepp:
Anyway here are the Bios settings:
Turbo: off
EISTE: off
C4/5/6: off
LLC:on
CPU multi: 20
QPI: 36
Uncore: 17
Mem: 6
CPU voltage: 1.2275 (in windows its 1.2V idle and under load 1.184)
QPI/VTT voltage: 1.355
CPU PPL: 1.86
Mem Voltage: 1.66 (just to be save ;) )
Bclck: 180
SPD: manual (but then everything on auto)
IOH/ICH voltages: all auto/stock
Same here but I'm going for 3,8GHz :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
I'm having a though time keeping the core temp under 70°C.
thanks man. the higher q/v might also cushion the amount of vcore needed as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
yeah i think the same, but ineed a high q/v cause im on 12gb. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ReverendMaynard
everything below that value is a no boot.
12gb's....dang. You into hardcore rendering? that will definitely throw a few spins on your approach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
Im planing to install a 6gb ramdisk, when i have found my 24/7 settings amd played a bit with it. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ReverendMaynard
edit: just got a BSOD after 35min of prime.
Well you cant have everything. ;)
i try to reach 2-3h prime stable and then run some linx. I think i will settle somewhere around 1.22-1.25V
I dont mind when my temps get 80°C in prime/linx, cause this apps are the worse case you never will see this temps in real apps. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by L0$t Pr0PhEt
I don't get it. I have 12 gigabytes of ram but I am getting all sorts of problems.
I am running 1600mhz cl8 ram and getting a ridiculous number of errors in memtest. I thought I solved the problem but It keeps coming back. Did you the XMP profile in the ram?
Can someone explain CPU PLL, and QPI PLL, i seen PLL in x48 bios also but never had to change it. I also remember it being alot lower, around 1.5v, back then.
System just crashed fter 7hr 45 mins of prime, how infuriating!
Yeah but I run WCG 8 threads 24/7 so temps can't get too high.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
I run boinc my self, and prime/linx usually give a 4-5K higher temp then any WUs i have seen. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by L0$t Pr0PhEt
try these settings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Isepick
175 x 23
QPI 44x
Uncore 18x
Mem 8x
ICH Core 1.40
Turbo On, HT OFF
god how i love new tech... :rolleyes:
got a new problem, the cpu is stable at 180 mhz qpi with 1.192V but it can't boot with more then 150mhz when 12gb are in the system (it works with 6gb). :rofl:
It seems the bios :banana::banana::banana::banana:s up the ram timings for 12gb, cause it aborts the boot at the post hex 6Bh (Programing the Chipset registers).
Im gona try to give the rams Manual timings and see if it works...
When I run memtest. It says the bandwidth for 6gb of 1600mhz ram is 17000, when I put in 12gb of ram, the bandwidth goes down to 15800.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
I'd rather learn from others than learn from frying my 940 that cost more than a week's pay ;) I'm always open to criticisms, I am here to learn, and hopefully pass on some of that knowledge to the next guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReverendMaynard
F4L locks my multi in @ 22, I cannot go any lower. So right now I am priming at 22x180 with HT and turbo off. Unfortunately I am running 1.45 Vcore. System won't post under 1.400 and cannot get into windows under 1.425. Was getting BSODS under 1.45 within 10 seconds of linx.
Oddly enough, my temps are way lower than earlier with 22x175 with the lower voltage, though I think having HT & turbo off is contributing to this. My load temps right now are at about 70C.
Gotta run, my woman and I are on our way out to a swinger's club for an evening of enjoyment :pimp:
well yeah thats expected, 12gb run CR2 and 6gb CR1 (CR=Command Rate).Quote:
Originally Posted by FuriousSalesman
Btw. can you cold boot with 12gb and more then 150mhz bclck?
I can't get 12 gb stable with 133 Bclck. That's the issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
who's on bios f4l ? is it any good im still on f4k, almost 13 hours into prime still going @4.137ghz 197 x 19 turbo on ht on
worth going to f4l ?
Some early results on stock air
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...ack/Second.jpg
Love that bandwidth and latency!!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...0bclk32GHz.png
And on another note, can confirm that mounting a fan on a TRUE Black 120 on the ram side of this board is a no go with my corsairs. Had to mount the fan toward the rear. It is a 120x120x38mm fan in the photo, but a 19mm fan also will not fit. Can also say that the plastic fan door on my Stacker 830 case no longer closes due to the height of the TRUE. I'm gonna have to cut a bit of plastic out to get the door to shut all the way.
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u...k/th_true1.jpghttp://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u...k/th_true2.jpg
8 Hours done small FFTs. All the settings at Auto except vcore at 1.2v in bios (1.12v under load)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...HzSmallFFT.jpg
That's quite hot for 1,12v
Quote:
Originally Posted by L0$t Pr0PhEt
stock cooler is adequate for stock but nothing more. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by zlojack
Brilliant observation! :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
Anyway, I'm aware it's pretty hot, which is why I'm not moving it any further for now.
I need to check what the other voltages are at, since AUTO scares me.
Need a answer on a few questions. Lets says BCLK is always on " 200 ".
1: How should i know which QPI and Uncore i should choose? Is it always x36 for a 920 cpu ?
2: And as above, what does uncore do and why should i choose the half on ram divider?
3: What divider gives the best performance on this mobo?
Running bios F4K and memorys in the white slots.
Hope someone wants to help out.
From what i know, if you're on 200 bclk that puts your QPI at 3.8ghz with 18x multi (36x multi is actually 18x). The next multi, 22x (44x in bios) would put you at 4.4ghz QPI speed, which is unstable. QPI speed will top out at around 4ghz.Quote:
Originally Posted by ante_ante
Uncore is the part of the cpu that isn't the core, it has the memory controller and L3 cache. Higher uncore frequency will reduce L3 latencies and should improve memory bandwidth even on same memory clocks. Like QPI though higher clock will need higher QPI/VTT volts.
Still no word on official F4 bios?
Tried with uncore 16x and it gave me 17189 in everst, then i tested uncore 17x and it gave me a improvment to 17614. Tried uncore 18x but the windows wouldnīt boot. Have QPI/VTT on 1.335vQuote:
Originally Posted by Xello
I had posted this on the i7 o/c thread - better to post it here. The GGBT x58 extreme mobo plays well with the highpoint 3520 pcie raid card with 8x16GB mtron SSDs -
more pics -
I tried the new bios (F4l) and now my settings from F2 won't even post. I also tried F3 and the same results.
All I did was set vcore to 1.2v and vddr to 1.64v and leave the other voltages on auto.
I set the RAM to the default 7-8-7-20 and then used the default setttings from the bios for the rest.
I was trying out the other bios' in hopes of finding my way up to 200 bclk, but right now, getting back to 160 would be nice :D
Hi everyone.
I updated to F4k bios yesterday and running 191 X 21.
But only CPUZ is displaying 4.01Ghz
So i guess only CPUZ is right? thanks!
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3240/...303fb1ef_o.jpg
For comparisons sake .. RR3510 (4 drive vs the 3520 8 drive) - WD 640GBQuote:
Originally Posted by SteveRo
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/d46f9fb279.png
Coretemp Mhz is bugged. CPUZ is correct. Realtemp has temps with correct mhz.Quote:
Originally Posted by ottoyu34
Nice overclock btw.
Ok, I think my problem was RAM sub-timings.
I put them all back to Auto and now I'm back up and running at 20x160 with RAM at 1600 7-8-7-20 (though now CPUZ shows my tRAS as 25 even though it's set to 20 in bios, hmm)
Also had problems to boot first with F4L but now itīs runs fine. Little more bandwith with this bios for me...
Download Cpu Tweaker, it reads te ram timings correct (you can get it in the sticky "new memory tweaker..." in this forum).Quote:
Originally Posted by zlojack
I cant change any memsettings in cpu tweaker? Whatīs wrong ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
Nothing wrong, its read only right now. Give Felix time, Ci7 is brand new. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by ante_ante
Quote:
Originally Posted by rge
thanks. I was having hard time stable it with HT on.
otto
Thanks! I got it. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
So what's a good strategy for finding max bclk? Since I have a while to go before I get my bracket for my Supreme, I figure I'll try to play with the bclk a little bit.
easy, lower cpu/ram/uncore multi and up the bclck. But dont expect anything more then 222mhz bclck, cause thats the current max for every board. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by zlojack
That's fine for me!
If I can get 200 bclk I'll be happy. Anything beyond that is a bonus.
What voltages help with bclk?
QPI/VTT, you can leave the rest on auto for 200 BCLK.
Hi Zlojack, I've spent the last 4 days finding my max *100% prime stable* bclock, i done it basically the way Saaya describes in his Nehalem 101 thread.
I'm doing this because i like to have several overclock profiles - for i7 this means one max 100% stable OC based on high cpu multi, then one based on high bclk, then one to see how far i can push my memory.
I started with bclock -at first i removed all other bottlenecks, cpu > lowest multi, QPI in Slow Mode, Uncore @ 12x, memory @ 6x, cpu volts 1.275. Then put VTT/QPI voltage to 1.44v. This got me 222mhz 9hr prime stable.
However i then realized that this isn't useful to me as i will be wanting to base an overclock on this bclock, and i certainly won't be having QPI on slow mode for that profile :]
So i took QPI to lowest multi instead (18x, 36x in bios for some reason), and uncore to 17x as i will probably want 8x at least for the memory. With these settings 222 was pretty ok but just not prime stable, i've found my max stable clock today which was 213mhz. I might be able to push higher with more QPI/VTT volts but i don't really want to go higher than 1.45v and there's really no need for me.
So yeah, you can remove bottlenecks including placing QPI in slow mode but remember if you want to do a proper overclock you're probably not going to want to leave it there :D
Next max clock for me: CPU! Sounds like turbo mode is something to leave on for the GB boards so i'll start with 1.35v, use the 23x multi and see how high i can push bclock before it needs more vcore. So far 1hr stable @ 3.9ghz, which is what i wanted at least :)
Great advice Xello!
Thanks for that. I'm following that track right now with QPI/VTT set at 1.355 in bios and everything else low. I bumped the QPI/VTT up one notch this morning as Prime95 crashed sometime during the night. bclk is at 200, CPU at 16, RAM at 8 and QPI at 18 and uncore at 16. So far so good, but it certainly does get toasty!
I forgot to get RealTemp to log temps to give me an idea of how long it lasted, so I've got it set now. If that works, I'll probably keep it around there and then wait for my waterblock mount to get here and walk the multi up.
New beta bios for EX58 UD5, i already tested and work well.
F4L BIOS of GA EX58 UD5
http://rapidshare.com/files/173550175/ex58ud5.f4l.html
Super PI 32M Performance
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/7609/55500234ex4.png
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/5461/f4lts9.png
i only have UD5, first i flashed with Extreme bios, today i tried this BIOS
then flash again, but seems ID not change, lol
but,the board i tested its UD5 for sure.
Quote:
Originally Posted by zlojack
If you keep that 200 BCLK, when you raise CPU Multi, you'll get crashes with 20x or 21x with your current config.
Due to?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukee
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=877Quote:
Originally Posted by zlojack
It's a good read. btw that 8:9 ratio is in reality .888333 and not .888889.
This is for the 920i. I'm not sure how it translates to the other processors.
I was unable to get 200 x 20 or 200 x 21 stable because I was using 8x mem and either 16 or 17x uncore with Qpi 36x
Remember one thing, uncore multi needs to be at least 2x memory multi.
The ratio between uncore to Qpi was about .888889 which more than the .888333 allowed.
The Qpi frequency seems to max out at 4 GHz, so the way I stabilized at 200 x 21 was to lower memory to 6x, lower uncore to 15x. That lowered my uncore to QPI ratio to .833333 which is lower than the .888333.
That kept my qpi freq. at 3600Mhz which is under the 4000MHz ceiling.
This seems to be the limitations
What we need is for the MB companies to unlock a 40X QPI mult, as well as odd numbered memory multipliers.
All that being said, I think that some people may have been able to get that stable using 36x 16x 8x, but that is more the exception than the rule.
Noticed any changes with the Extreme bios?Quote:
Originally Posted by hicookie
new beta BIOS fixed some module if oc 2100MHz can't set memory
timing by manual, also this BIOS add QVL of Corsair 1866 3CH.
F4N BIOS download for UD5
http://rapidshare.com/files/173772722/EX58UD5.F4n.html
http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/5057/f4n2fe0.png
http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/6924/f4nft2.png
so should we skip 4fl and go to f4n for ud5 ?
Yes:)Quote:
Originally Posted by freshy
What is new with f4n? Its like some random person giving people some Totally Awesome Sweet Alabama Liquid Snake.Quote:
Originally Posted by hicookie
woops read your post.
thanks hicookie, you are making gigabyte look good with your support :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by hicookie
going to f4n now :D
I am impressed, gigabyte is pushing out bios files faster than Asus for a change. Hopefully they are fixing stuff, and not just releasing random bios files.
i second thatQuote:
Originally Posted by GAR
Still unable to run 12gb. My windows installation got corrupted again. Have to reinstall again.
So the ud5 bios works fine with the extreme ex58? If so i will flash tonight.Quote:
Originally Posted by hicookie
They are the same exact board, except for the NB cooling, it should work without any issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by X.T.R.E.M.E_ICE
Thanks. I thought that was the case but i didn't see any one mention it so i didn't want to rick it. cheers.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAR
whats wrong with 12GB? could you tell me whats your module?Quote:
Originally Posted by FuriousSalesman
some media already push 12GB 1600MHz(CPUz) on GA EX58 series.
and im sure mass of 2GBX6 could ran 1333MHz
So in return for extra cash what i got was a NB block that leaks, classic :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by GAR
Why do TT list different bios versions for the 2 boards?
Can't download F4N anymore:help:
With 140 BCLK, I can run 1700 CAS8 with 12GB of CSX DDR3-1600 ram and 1,45V QPI/VTT.Quote:
Originally Posted by hicookie
With 170 BCLK I need to lower the ram mult to run at 1320 or increase QPI/VTT voltage.
It is possible to run even more than 1700Mhz with 12GB, if you had a 965 you could push it by leaving BCLK at stock and OCing via multiplier.
;)Quote:
Originally Posted by mlai
http://www.muenster.de/~e30pics/Date...EX58UD5F4N.exe
http://forums.tweaktown.com/f69/giga...st-bios-28441/
Can find here all gigabyte beta bios, Stasio updating them like daily :D
Go hereQuote:
Originally Posted by mlai
Edit:
thank's guys
When i try to update with that bios i get this error.Quote:
Originally Posted by hicookie
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/6...oserrorfz1.jpg
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/b...jpg/1/w992.png
Do i have to rename the file so it will work with EX58 Extreme?
i am on f4n now, and for the last 2 hours ive been trying to get stable @ 4ghz and 4.1ghz with turbo on HT on, but i cant , i think it wants more voltage than what i needed for f4k,
also another thing i noticed,
cpu clock drive 700mv default on f4n
pci e clock drive 700mv default on f4n
on f4k cpu clock drive 800mv default
pci e clock drive 900mv
is there a reason for this ?
ive tried to change it to like the f4k was but still no good think it just wants more vcore and qpi/vtt v
i'll try for a bit more then im going back to f4k :down:
Quote:
Originally Posted by X.T.R.E.M.E_ICE View Post
So the ud5 bios works fine with the extreme ex58? If so i will flash tonight.
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by GAR
:ROTF::ROTF::ROTF::ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by Xello
I tried to rename the bios to a extreme bios and it doesn't work. So the ud5 F4N bios does not work with EX58-extreme.:(
Lol, what's funny Stasio, how wrong we are or just how robbed we were?
Are they actually different?
800/900 are the default values (read it in the manual). F3 had the same 800/900 but all F4x versions till now defaulted to 700/700. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by freshy
my f4k bios didnt , it was 800/900Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
and with f4n i need
1.39375v vcore
1.375v vtt/qpi
for 4ghz turbo on HT on :down:
with f4k i needed 1.375v vcore and 1.315v qpi/vtt to be stable at 4ghz HT on , turbo on
well your on the ud5, im on the extreme.
GAR -
I stumbled across this forum trying to solve my EasyTune problem and you had said to someone much earlier in the topic that it may have been a windows service causing it to error - I was wondering if you gave him a list of services enabled/disabled, or if anyone out there has found out why EasyTune is erroring for only some people. I'm running:
EX58-UD5, bios version F4N
Vista 64 Bit Ultimate
I previously had trouble with DES but now that works just fine.
The following error occurs:
On boot up, I get a GUI.exe has stopped working error, then "Windows Sockets Initialization" error. I have fresh installed Vista 4 times and still the same error.
Quote:
Originally Posted by FuriousSalesman
What settings are you using? I'm able to run 12 GB.
memory is 6 x 2 GB OCZ Gold 1600 Mhz memory 8-8-8-24 1.65V
you can still run triple channel with 6 sticks right? any performance decrease
Same as Lukee but with corsair XMSQuote:
Originally Posted by Lukee
Latest progress: vcore 1.33v 23x 180 (4140mhz) 9hr blend stable. Bumped up to 185mhz, instant BSOD on load :eek:
Amazing that a few mhz on the bclk can be the difference between a 100000% stable system and an instant BSOD :)
Time to bump up the V.
I noticed undervoltage on vcore compared to bios, 1.35v = 1.33v, 1.362v = 1.344v, etc, does this happen with QPI/VTT voltage aswell? In fact what program do you use to check which VTT is being reported in windows?
This morning when I rebooted on F4l I got a Checksum error and it recovered to F2 :(
Does anyone have a link to F4k? I'll try that and F4n this evening.
Last night on F4l I was able to do the following (crazy temps, but my watercooling should hopefully solve that when it's set up):
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...ble200bclk.jpg
Thanks. That has the link to the latest bios. I've been able to find that just fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghigo
I was looking for F4k :)
Thanks Stasio :up:
Btw,before flashing new BIOS,you can SAVE previous BIOS with all setting.
Yeah, I need to do that next time.Quote:
Originally Posted by stasio
I was running F4l and it was fine. I ran Prime95 and it passed 12 hours. I rebooted the system because I wanted to try upping the CPU multi and it went into a reboot loop and told me my bios had a checksum error. Then it proceeded to the recovery on its own and recovered to bios F2.
So from now on I'll be saving my bios with settings to a USB stick.
Yes. I was attempting to run at 12gb at 8-8-8-24 1600mhz, 1333mhz. I got bios corruption, bios reset to F3. This was 6*2 Corsair Dominator 1600mhz kits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghigo
I tried this when I first got the board going from f3 to f4j. It resulted in a massive RAID0 +1 failure running on the IM, not the Gigabyte sata.Quote:
Originally Posted by stasio
Gigabyte should have taken some notes on DFI's CMOS Reloaded.
Note to self (and others) resist the urge to key in 1200 bclk just to see the resulting ghz on the screen. Bios go BOOM :shocked:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xello
sorry, but that made me lol. It recovered though...right?
What were your other settings?Quote:
Originally Posted by FuriousSalesman
CPU Mult,QPI Mult, Uncore Mult , Mem Mult and BCLK?
Bclk 133*24 (25 with Intel Turbo). QPI mult 48, mem mult is 12.The xmp profile 1 sets QPI at 1.35 and vDram at 1.65 for 1600mhz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukee
Complete stock with ram running at 1333mhz and all voltages on auto still has errors.
Whats so funny, i dont get it? you ok?Quote:
Originally Posted by stasio