nope..Quote:
Originally Posted by Nuckin_Futs
read anandtech x48 review
also another good read was from this website
edgeofstability.com
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nope..Quote:
Originally Posted by Nuckin_Futs
read anandtech x48 review
also another good read was from this website
edgeofstability.com
hmm cool but i havent seen anybody with a e8400 on 450fsb aboveQuote:
Originally Posted by mc2k
pass orthos large fft/prime large fft ...
thats the issue..
also hmm not sure how but when i use the fsb voltage lower than vcore..
although the rams are unstable.. but manage to pass orthos small fft prioriy 8 on a lower vcore for an hour.
I have posted my settings for orthos stable blend default priority.
These where at 9x450@air. Didn't try with higher fsb since this was
the 24/7 i wanted.
But benching at 9x500 was easy with PL=8 though and have manually set
PLL=minimum=1.5 and fsbtermination=1.2(minimum) again.
THis is my current Problem..
CPU Configuration E8400
Ai Overclock Tuner [Manual]
OC From CPU Level Up [Auto]
CPU Ratio Control [Manual]
Ratio CMOS Setting [8x]
FSB Frequency [500MHz]
FSB Strap To North Bridge [Auto]*
PCIE Frequency [110]
DRAM Frequency [Auto]*
DRAM Timing Control [Manual]
Primary Info; 5-5-5-15-4-42-6-4
Scondary Info; 8-4-5-4-6-4-6
Ive loosen the ram timings according to OCZ reaper PC2-8500 EPP profile.
DRAM Static Read Control [Auto]*
Ai Clock Twister [Auto]*
Transaction Booster [Auto]*
Relax Level [Auto]*
------------------------------------------ [CMOS setting] = effective value
CPU Voltage [1.5875v] = 1.275v = 1.256v loaded
CPU PLL Voltage 1.52v = 1.632v
North Bridge Voltage [1.47v] = 1.504v
DRAM Voltage [2.12v] = 2.208v
FSB Termination Voltage [1.22v] = 1.136v
South Bridge Voltage [1.075v] = 1.104v
Loadline Calibration [Enabled]
CPU GTL Refference [0.63%]
North Bridge GTL Reference [0.63%]
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage [Auto]
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage [ Auto]
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage [Auto]
SB 1.5v Voltage [1.55v] = 1.584v
Proc Stable as hell on small fft priority 8/9 as long as i dong mess with the FSB termination..
anything above it.. fails in 30 minutes orthos or fail to boot.
anything below it.. Hangs or failt to boot..
Rams Fails in 30secs and sometimes even last to 5 minutes on large fft orthos
any clues??
If you guys are seeing 4GB ram clocking issues, especially with 2x2GB modules the issue is TRFC.
Asus in their wisdom have limited TRFC to a max of 42 unless your modules have SPD higher. I have an SPD for the OCZ 8000 ReaperX which gets round this issue , if you need it come post over on the support forum.
I have a feeling those of you running 4GB 4x1GB modules may need to set higher than 42 also, it makes a huge difference to stability.
Just a heads up, Asus know and we are beating on them to fix this. It effects all 965,P35,X38 and X48 boards :(
Thanks Tony! I hope you are successful...4x1gb @ 600mhz needs your help!
There are a lot of non-micron 1066 parts available now, 1066 1.8V is getting quite easy but TRFC does need to be loser than with Micron parts.
I thought it odd I did not see higher values on X38...considering how DDR3 goes...i thought someone would completely open up the chipset to DDR2, but I mean really...bioses have come a long way in the last little while when it comes to overclocking...
With bold are my suggestions
But if you want 4GHz try 9x450- because 500 fsb is stressing moboQuote:
Originally Posted by cstkl1
Hi im new with overclocking so i would like to get a little help to get my system stable at 4 ghz. I have a e8400 , maximus formula and crucial ballistix 8500.
current settings are
_________________________________
Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
FSB Frequency : 435
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-870
DRAM Command Rate : 2T
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : AUTO
Row Refresh Cycle Time : AUTO
Write Recovery Time : AUTO
Read to Precharge Time : AUTO
Read to Write Delay (S/D) : AUTO
Write to Read Delay (S) : AUTO
Write to Read Delay (D) : AUTO
Read to Read Delay (S) : AUTO
Read to Read Delay (D) : AUTO
Write to Write Delay (S) : AUTO
Write to Write Delay (D) : AUTO
DRAM Static Read Control: Auto
Ai Clock Twister : Strong
Transaction Booster : disabled
Relax level: 0
CPU Voltage : 1.31
CPU PLL Voltage : AUTO
North Bridge Voltage : 1.47
DRAM Voltage : 2.10
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.40
South Bridge Voltage : 1.050
Loadline Calibration : Enabled
CPU GTL Reference : 0.63X
North Bridge GTL Reference : 0.67X
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : AUTO
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.5
________________________________________
I ran it 30 min in orthos without any problems and tried 3d mark and got 14325 score, but tested cod4 later and had a bit of fps drops.
Any settings i can change to get it more stable? will try get fsb to 445 later.
Hello,Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaekae
Those Ballistics have a lot of horsepower with a 400 Strap you can take advantage of. Plus a lot of folks are reporting tight timings which gives you some flexibility for overclocking.
Backup/Save your Current Overclocks to a Profile in Bios:
Try these:
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 400
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1159
DRAM Static Read Control: DISABLED
Ai Clock Twister : Strong
Transaction Booster : ENABLED
Relax level: 0
CPU Voltage : 1.31 Subjective to your Situation
CPU PLL Voltage :
1.50vBios ~ 1.632v HM (Hardware Monitor) Start Here@ 1.50vBios
1.52vBios ~
1.54vBios ~ 1.664
1.56vBios ~ 1.696
North Bridge Voltage : 1.47 This may need to be increased with 47c Max Temperature to watch out for underload.
FSB Termination Voltage :
1.20(Start at 1.20v. Many users stable at 1.20-1.22v.)
CPU GTL Reference : .61x
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage :DDR2
Dram static enabled should work too pared with strong twister and TB enabled, up to 450 fsb with ballistix,
Running 4 x 1 Gb Transcend AXeram 1200+'s at 600mhz with this board. Had to up NB v to 1.49 from 1.45 and FSB term V from 1.4 to 1.51.Quote:
Originally Posted by cadaveca
5,5,5,12,42 no problem at 2.2vdram TRD 7 4:3 divider FSB 450, strap 400 Q6600 at 3.6ghz. Tried CAS 4 but I think that is impossible unless someone can suggest settigs :-) Couldn't get 700mhz either at CAS6 :-(
My Gskill 8000's 2x2Gb gave up at just over 500mhz with a TRFC of 52 programmed into the SPD. So not sure extra TRFC will make much of a difference.
TRFC makes a huge difference to modules with 128x8 density...you guys need to look past 64x8 microns as they don't need TRFC loser than 42 in many cases.
Micron is losings its grip on 1066 and higher IC's, OCZ have dimms doing 1066 at 1.8V now 64x8 and 128x8's doing 1150 with 2V...so you could in theory have 8Gb running 1100+MHZ real soon guaranteed....but they will need TRFC higher than 42.
The big picture is micron does not need higher TRFC in most cases, but Micron is losing its grip on the market and these new IC's need higher TRFC.
I have 3 bios files already with TRFC to 132 from bios, 1 being for the maximus formula...i can NOT release this bios im only a beta tester.
Sit tight...you will see it soon once we have tested.
52 is to lowQuote:
Originally Posted by Aurhinius
If i understand correctly you are saying that:
1)Micron D9's can have low tRFC (25 for mine at 600+MHz) but cannot clock well at same voltages with other brand modules?
2)So the other brand modules can play at higher MHz but not keeping low tRFC?
Example:
Micron D9's @600MHz@2.2v@tRFC 25
Powerchips,Elpida etc @600MHz@2.1V@tRFC 40+
thats right, except TRFC needs to be 54 or higher over 960MHZ.
New IC's are rated 1066 1.8V, some are doing 1150 1.8V 5-5-5-18 but need higher TRFC values than D9
http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/st...n_CIMG2343.JPG
Started testing and it does help ;)
I have to confess to not knowing much about memory overclocking but I would imagine there is a bandwidth sacrifice made for that higher TRFC Tony?
increasing TRFC to 56 as you have suggested on average what do you think you could get in terms of raw mhz and what would the associated TRD be?
I'm thinking if you have to settle for a TRD of 8 and 1100mhz and TRFC of 56 then Micron d9's at TRD 7 1200mhz TRFC 42 are going to be the better choice?
I'd be more interested if Asus gave us better control over TRD so I can get my d9's running at 1200mhz TRD 6 :-)
you have good control of TRD, enable 0=6 and disable 0=7, 1=8, 2=9
TRFC is just coming to the forefront, as is 8GB usage with vista, 1GB dimms are last years tech now and its time to move on IMO
I don't doubt it if you want to see 8 gig but honestly. Can the X38 north bridge handle 4x2 at high FSB's?
as for TRD. Isn't the TRD dependent on the strap.
I am running enable 0 at the moment and memset reports 7 not 6. Tried enable 1 which I assume is 6 and I am guessing the north bridge or the memory just can't handle it :-/
To be honest I have can't get anything with the 266 strap working without relaxing TRD.
If you have any advice Tony it is always greatly received.
I believe he meant allows us to change TRD as in the Rampage Formula X48 BIOS which actually works. The Maximus Formula BIOS just doesn't cut it yet when it comes to straps.......and yet it gets the ROG badge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
anybody successfully force the rampage formula BIOS on this board?
Not that I'm aware of. I tried and tried with all manner of flash utilities but couldn't do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aldy402
If someone could modify the model string within the Rampage bios to that of the Maximus it should work.
I have not tested my self the difference with loose tRFC over raw MHz.
But i will do it. Interesting though...
I will flash the bios chip and plug it in the board...see what happens. AMIbcp won't open the file to edit the string which means they moved to new source code on core 8
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
Nice :)
I have 2x1GB of the Transcend 1200 and I don`t come higher with clock than 1200Mhz but I am not good in ram ocing and I only tried till 2,20V bios which is 2,24-2,26V windows.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aurhinius
Using 450fsb and same divider=1200mhz(400strap), too. Also giving ram 2,16V bios, this is 2,20-2,22V windows and having TRD 7 with TB enabled 0.
5-5-5-12 is also best I can get in main timings. But I am glad to hear, that 2 pir of them are no problem with this board and I will think about a second pair Transcend sometime.
@Tony
Im eagerly awaiting your results..
will be a few days m8...needed to buy a parallel extension cable for the bios flasher...then I need to build a PC with a parallel connection..LOL
I will have a play though and see whats what
TRD changes as FSB ramps up, there is a change it seems at 500fsb and probably more lower down..so yes it is related to straps but I doubt its off the BSEL like I used to think it was.
Asus 965 changes at 401, TRD losens and fsb is allowed to rise, issue is for 60fsb you lost memory performance. Now what we need is the ability to see preprogrammed Auto TRD changes Vs MCH clock so we can decide to overclock MCH or not. I will look into this more over the next few weeks.
While i think AT did an awesome job of explaining TRD I fel there is still something missing and some simple mapping out should have those who are still confused a little grasping what is happening.
I will say those looking for 500fsb+ are totally wasting their time, TRD kills performance as FSB ramps up, there is a sweet spot for sure and its a lot less than 500fsb ;)
buy cpu's with as high a multi as you can, buying cheap and pushing fsb may get you CPU MHZ but it kills MCH performance and so can end up a lot slower than what you though.
WEll Tony, I must say...you're the man!
I have been begging for years(literally) for TRD and TRFC adjustments in bios. When 975x came out, I knew these two settings were key...I mean really, playing with memset, et al really highlighted this...but due to bios control, it was only good for benching!
So, again, thanks...many aspiring clockers are going to thank you!
TRD was not my doing really, i have been going on about straps and performance tweaking with Intel hinting but never telling ;), performance level (my friend Roger ;)) was the key to getting the ball rolling for TRD to finally start showing its face...FCG has pushed the envelope much further though even coming out with little calculations showing where things "should" work and where things just won't. I still think we need to map out TRD Vs FSB adding Vmch maybe into the mix so that we can see whats damn fast and what is slow... this has to be done per board though as its obvious from Asus 965 changing tRD at 401fsb and GBT changing at 435FSB different boards by Auto are going to give quite different petrformance.
It also shows what a mess memory reviews were, there is no way you could compare dimms tested on different boards with different bios files altering tRd at different points...easy way of making X brand dimms look good on Y brand board me thinks if engineers and PR work together.
You can also see this could be a way for X memory company to work with bios engineers to add code to spd that tells the board to increase tRD at a given FSB to allow "their' dimms to do the super high clocks and V brand does not due to the rules of TRD and FSB.
Not saying this has happened but it makes you start thinking as it would be dead easy.
tRFC, yes this is my doing, I pushed some reviewer friends to help me get Asus to sort the issue out as reviewers seem to have more influence then engineers (specially me, i can't even get boards to test with unless i beg for days, sometimes weeks)
I latched onto a product OCZ developed a few months ago (4GB memory kit) and started pushing it around 1000MHZ+, what I noted though was tRFC had a massive impact on how the IC's clocked up,lucky for me I was using DFI and Abit P35 boards with fully open tRFC in steps of 1, so I did not have any issues pushing OCZ to produce what you see as Reaper X EB and 8000 Reaper X, the issue was when I finally started testing on Asus boards (P35 and x38)
and found the boards severely tRFC limited, so much so 1000MHZ rated dimms were hitting 950 and stopping and in some cases not even allowing a boot.
Lucky for us Asus are fixing it, and the bios I have even though some parts are broken does allow tRFC to scale and I was testing at 1066 with dimms stuck at 940 with the previous bios build.
Overall "us engineers" in the background are really trying to get you guys what you need and trying to explain how things should work, we may not pour LN2 and have massive clocks to brag about but we at least contribute to how boards work and give the tools for those who play super cooling something to play with.
Creating a monster, just to have it in chains, is never good. It's always more enjoyable when it smashes crap. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
:horse:
Thanks for every bit of info and knowledge that you share with us. I have been for long time reading your posts and learn a lot. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
:clap: :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
yeah ty tony..
a lot of ure explanation is making sense of somethings which i always thought mobo limit without any reasoning to it..
another thing y e8400 on 500fsb cant be run on this board without having the mem's go nuts...
499 ok.. mem stable.. proc stable..
that 1 freaking fsb and thats it..
update: Still no luck on my bad BIOS flash. Can anybody share their results of any type of BIOS flash problems on this mobo?
I can only bot to XP x64 SP2 if I press F2 to load default and continue, Yet, if I press F1 to enter CMOS, I cannot reboot after "save and exit". I have to clear and use F2 to load OS.
Anybody eperience something close to this?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
I am very interested to see what you can come up with Tony. The AT review shed a lot of light on TRD however I have found that plugging in the numbers they provide as a guide I still cannot seem to get the results they do. Usually I am finding my TRD is always one higher. I guess this may just be a result of the older MCH on the X38 compared to the X48.
I've tested 4 x 1GB at 900mhz CAS4 TRD 6. It provides a lot less bandwidth than CAS 5 TRD 7 1200mhz. Sisoft approx 7400 to 8400 approx.
I for one would love to see a graph of TRD Vs FSB with vmch and CAS. So we can determine whether 900mhz CAS 4 TRD 6 is faster than 1000mhz CAS 5 TRD 7 for example.
We need to find that sweet spot as you suggested.
Get working on it :D
can anybody do tRD 7 on 500 fsb 1:1..
i cant?? seems lowest is tRD 8.
the rest of AT tables seems right..
ps foxconn p35 mars seems to be able to do tRD 7..( some call this the ram magic board.. so was this a magic??)
P35 can do easily tRD=7 on 530+
X38 (asus) can do that at around 490.
That's because of the X48 "binning".Quote:
Originally Posted by cstkl1
I mean really, I was so shocked to see so many people buy into the story about INtel binning X38 to X48 for FSB!!!!
It became quite clear that there was some confusion out there as to what Intel chipset really are, and why, in comparison, AMD does not make thier own chipsets(although they do now, via ATI...)
It's all about memory control.
AMD, having the memory controller on cpu, had control. Intel, with no IMC, had to make thier own chipsets to ensure control of memory interface.
Bring into the picture...790i...I wonder what's the difference between Ultra and Ultra SLi? Better memory control while running two cards, which makes for a hotter chipset, maybe?:rolleyes:
So don't take AT's article entirely to heart. Intel specifically binned those chipsets with faster memory performance in mind. DDR3-2000 is far more work than DDR2-1200...
X48 used to DDR2 will probably the fastest boards ever. Why? <---Won't see me asking THAT question.
Finally got my rams working ... thanks guys...
had to sacrifice some vcore.. 0.008v.. but what the heck...
the solution was weird
i was running 0907 with E6850 at 4ghz..
and just popped a new proc.. and it was causing all the issue
reflashed it to 0902.. got it stable.. ( temps were less accurate with the elite and the condensation i was having) and reflashed it back to 0907.. all this on the E8400.
guess what stable.. and best part temps also dropped..... reminds me of xfiles theme song....
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?ac...post&id=395123
btw so whats the reasoning on Asus X38 not having the ability on doing tRD 7 on 500fsb 1:1
i suppose AT tested the rampage on x48 on that .. so it must be working..
reasons anyone??
@Tony
-my F2-8000CL5D-4GBPQ set from Gskill is severly limited due to the tRFC, issue. It wont let me go over 5mhz of stock speed no matter what voltage. It refuses to boot on any divider besides "AUTO" even when within/under stock speeds. Should I try flashing the SPD to a higher tRFC?
-would you know if the next bios rls addresses the tRFC issue ? or is that too far ahead?
Yes thank you for your explanations!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
We would know nothing without guys like you.
Ok, I don`t understand everything, but that`s only because I am not that good in english, the technical things are very good to understand :up:
ty to quite a few of u guysQuote:
Originally Posted by eSp!s0
since i got the 500fsb stable and ram
been upping the multis
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?ac...post&id=395177
ty to quite a few of u guys???
Do you mean "Thank you for quoting a few guys here"?
yup some for helping me on the forum, some for PM some heck for posting..Quote:
Originally Posted by eSp!s0
thats how i solved the issue..
no harm right..
hmm is the e8500 out yet in the us?? on retail??
you need to talk to gskill m8, i can't comment on their productQuote:
Originally Posted by Aldy402
HiQuote:
Originally Posted by cstkl1
The retail:mad: E8500 was out in the US and then it vanished. I have heard that it was supposed to reappear on 11 Feb 2008 or in April 2008. The truth is no one knows...
HTH
NBK
My findings
FSB 400 266 STRAP Mem 1000mhz 4,4,4,12 TRD 6 (Board just won't do TRD 5) divider 5:4 - Everest bandwidth 8800 latency 53ns
FSB 450 400 STRAP Mem 1200mhz 5,5,5,12 TRD 7 divider 4:3 - Everest Bandwidth 9996 latency 51ns
So far it seems the extra mhz on the FSB is still the winner and I think there is something going on with the X38 that is different from the X48.
Always thought lower strap was better... guess not or the board has been optimised better for higher straps.
can you shed any light on this Tony?
Okay did a bit more testing and managed to get a TRD of 5 in certain circumstances by dropping AI clock twister to moderate instead of strong.
Tested FSB 400, 266 STAP, 5,5,5,12 , 3:2 divider 1200mhz TRD 5 everest 9500 52ns
will not boot 400, 266, 5:4, 4,4,4,12 TRD 5
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aurhinius
So seems my board just can't do TRD of less than 7 at 450 FSB also seems like any memory latency below 50 ns is a no go....
Thoughts?
A huge applaud to Tony. The man that really EARNS his money... :clap:
the bios will be tuned again after Chinese New year, most of the engineers are not working so we just have to wait.
i will try the rampage bios once my paraller cable arrives for the bios flasher...issue is we will need to edit name string to get it flashable on your boards if it works.
hi,
im just going to try my luck here , and hope its the best section for this.
i just bought a maximus formula s.e the other day, and im having this major problem with this board.
its runs ok on default but if i try setting overclock to manual i get the "maximus formula chasis intruded! fatal error system halted" error.
this only happens on manual , auto boots up fine. so it cant be the chasis intrusion feature or jumper leads etc how weird is that?
ive tried moving the chasis jumper lead , ive reset cmos hundreds of times,installed latest bios 907 rolled back bios, but nothing seems to work. if i cant set it to manual to increase dram voltage then i cant run my ddr2 1066 at 1066mhz instead it will run at 800mhz.
like i said voltages cant be increased without getting that error. ram is brand new.everything else test fine and ive tested the board with other ram (corsair xms2 ddr800 )and i still get the error.
so basically i cant overclock and cant run my ram at its stock settings .
any advice will be much appreciated. ive googled for answers but theres nothing and asus , well. im sure u know what there like. lol
should i just rma the board?
thanks adya
maximus formula s.e / 2x1gb ddr2 1066 crucial ballistix /x6800 core2 / 8800 gt /supreme fx II /2x80 gb raptors /thermaltake 850watt psu / zalman 7900 nt
oh yeah tony is there a chance that the bios can control the two gtl's on the CPU??? like dfi LP UT p35
Concerning the CPU INIT problems
i was dead lock on cpu init problems for about 2 days testing anything i could from forum i read
finaly the only thing i had never try in all the solution was to DISCONNECT the lcd poster
by doing so it did finaly boot and i was able to go in bios update it and go on
i finaly get to find that one of the pin of the lcd poster was bent and was fittinmg with another pin when i was connecting the lcd poster, i did plug it only 1 time from the first so i can imagine it was allready bent when i received the board
so if that can help anyone just check out the 4 pin of the lcd poster and make sure they are all right !! :)
this board is great been overclocking my q6600 at 3.6 ghz easy with only cpu voltage and memory voltage adjustement
good lock to anyone having this cpu init problems, i hope my solution may help a few one :)
Would be very nice, if next bios reads out temperatures correctly again :up:
"good lock to anyone having this cpu init problems, i hope my solution may help a few one"
Never heard of thast one yet, but it would be nice if I can interupt the tRd portion of this tread for a moment to ask if anybody had any BIOS flash weirdness after reverting back with Live Update then up again with EZ-Flash? Or if just anybody other then myself have a bad BIOS flash experience?
Loads only if I press F2 to load defaults and continue, but hangs at "DET RAM" if I press F1 to enter set and just exit (wether I touch anything or not).
hmm but its already been mentioned here somewhereQuote:
Originally Posted by Nuckin_Futs
that bios flash better revert back to default
and flash it via bios..
usually no probs at all.
and dont load ure oc profile which was stored on the previous bios version.
By default, you mean all the way to 0401 or so? I went back to only v0802 and up 1 at a time to 0907 again and all the same each time, Yes of corse, using EZ-Flash acept from when going back to 0802 twice.Quote:
Originally Posted by cstkl1
Recap: 802 EZ-Flach to 903, 903 Live Update back to 802, 802 EZ-Flash to 903, then 907 again then back to 802 and then 901, 903, 907, and again back to 802.
Whould it have helped to go back further, then up to 802?
Kick Ass!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
hey guys i just got a set of g.skill F2-8000CL5D-4GBPQ,im wondering if anyone has any good bios settings for these ? and what would be the max volts for these ?
http://xtreview.com/images/gskill-10...CL5D-4GBPQ.jpg
Do not double post!
The ASUS Maximus is a good board.
I've done a bit of overclocking, but I've never had a board with so many settings. Where can I get more information on things like clock twister and all those other little things like that? I've never even heard of a lot of them. I'm not sure if they will help me get more stable overclocks on less voltage which is what I need.
ive had a strange issue with the asus maximus formula board. Whenever i change a bios setting and "exit and save" the board turns off and then turns back on after like 4 seconds. Ive heard people saying its the CMOS flashing. It happens every time i change a setting, and also when i turn the computer off and unplug the power cord from the PSU. When i do take the power cord out of the PSU and then turn it on again the board will power up and then immediately shut down for like 4 seconds and then power back up again. this is with BIOS 0907. Is this normal?
Hey guys, I just upgrade my P35 platinum which ran stable at 3.2G on my Q6600 to this Formula Maximus and I cant even get it to run stable at 3.0G.
My sig has my new system specs. Maybe I can get some suggestions on what to run the bios at.
Is this board better than my P35 platinum for OCing ?
this has happened to me on a few occasions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Newms118
Happens every time you do bios changes like you said. It's not just 0907, always done it. I'm sure it's normal. My guess is it does it when it has to initialize new voltages or timings. New plug-in it might forget and new clock settings in bios would also need to
no it means everytime u want to flash a new biosQuote:
Originally Posted by Nuckin_Futs
save new bios in a usb for example
go to bios
reset to default setting
save and boot back into bios
flash ure bios via ezflash in the bios.
aka problem free
and dont use ure previos bios overclocking profile if u saved any
hmm guys actually all this has been already discussed.. read either one of the threads.
If I am right this is caused by other strap then 266, like 333 or 400 strap, as the board boots always default 266, and since u set 333 or 400 strap, the board need to "switch" and thus causing it reboots, same with my P5K Deluxe.Quote:
Originally Posted by J*Bishop
well i never changed the strap so it was always at default, and there were occasions it didnt do it, so it seemed it was flashing sporadically, i RMAed just in case because i couldnt find any discussion on this and the people i did read that had this occur just RMAed theirs. thanks for the info though.Quote:
If I am right this is caused by other strap then 266, like 333 or 400 strap, as the board boots always default 266, and since u set 333 or 400 strap, the board need to "switch" and thus causing it reboots, same with my P5K Deluxe.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Newms118
Same for me....Quote:
Originally Posted by dude_500
If I shut off my power supply in the evening and boot up next morning my board does the same thing, It starts then shuts off and starts again properly. It also does this after any fiddling around with various BIOS settings. Is it just a trait of this board as it seems to be working perfectly otherwise?
Its "normal" since P5B at least. First boot, changing mem timings or strap etc Asus boards wil do this.
Thanks Loc.o :up: Nice to be reaasured that it's normal.
Someone rma'ed their board over this? rofl
I think he will/did :X
Have any of you guys managed to get 1T memory timings running on this board because I can't :confused: I was running all the same components in my P5N32E-SLI and ran 1T no problem?
Please advise, Thanks
The only time I've gotten 1T to work was on 1:1 memory settings.Quote:
Originally Posted by orbiter
Thanks Warboy :up: I've not been able to get 1T at all and I've tried all sorts of settings. I guess the ram has to be fully compatable with the board also to get 1T working. I may have just been lucky with my Corsair memory and the P5N32E-SLi in getting it to work so easily.
This is happening cuase of a certain FSB, then it's normal since the 1st LGA775 ASUS with native 1066FSB support (the ASUS P5AD2-E). It is the mobo power regulator configuring to PSU and mobo to make sure voltages are correct before firing up all at once. Some mobos that did not use this would not boo if the PSU could not regulate fast enough, and it was especially noticable when overclocking as the power demand changed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Newms118
A delay in power is normal whenever changing voltages or major settings such as RAM timings so that changes can be written to eprom and configured before you restart.
Read my previous post, this is exactly what I just said I did except for the point where I had to use Live Update to revert backwords. The type of external storage made no difference from which I flashed BIOS ROM from, each USB mini HDD, full size USB HDD, and Even my USB docked PSP game wich I used mostly for it's speed and performance with high speed Pro Stick Duo.Quote:
Originally Posted by cstkl1
The only option I forgot to actually try was recovery from CD as I do now get the CMOS fail error and prompt for recovery.
So I'm not sure what different you were reffering to, I guess you were talking about flashing back to stock BIOS on CD or saved since 1st flash, and if so also requires using a windows based flashing utility since the ASUS EZ-Flash will not let you revert backwords (see earlier post).
any news from Tony about the "rampage" bios ?
i edited rampage bios and replaced the rom id module from the maximus with no luck...
always got ROM ID error during flashing.
Not had time, but I do know there are 2 places you must edit the bios. So you may have 1 down 1 to go
What should the Rampage bios give the SE owners ? Well I hope Asus releases fewer boards as this would aid their bios engineers to sort out some issues we had from day one... more options for transaction booster ? more ram timings ? can the X38 handle it ? or is this why the X48 might be better ?
Wouldn't it be better if we just could swap the NB chip with an X48 :) that would be fun to do lol
Back to the BIOS issues fr a sec. So has anybody here confirmed, that reverting back from 907 with Live Update caused issues whn wanting to move (flashZ) up again? Can anybody even confirm that reverting all the way back to 401 v/s just the last good tested one made a difference?
Can I just get feedback on any bad BIOS flash experience?
I flashed from 802 to 901 and nothing would post unless all settings were auto. Once the OS loaded ( and it took for 4ever) the computer ran like an old 486DX everything took along time to load.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nuckin_Futs
I have a 10mbit cable line and a web page took over 5mins to load.
So after a little help from Kup I manged to revert back to 802 using Asus Update from windows.
I have also gone from 907 to 903 using windows method and back to 907 using EZ Flash ( bios ) method...So far I have never had a problem with loading a new bios or reverting to a previous bios whether it be in windows or bios.
I can honestly say I cannot feel or see any difference from 802 to present bios. unless you include the addition of the half multi. Personally there is no benifit upgrading from 802 but I'm sure others will disagree
That's «the one million dollar question!».... what can we expect from a X48 board?! :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
I'm wating for the QX9770 and the Asus Rampage to show up on newegg
I would not flash the SE with Rampage bios, unless you got an extra board.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnMike
Sent previous post to wrong guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
I would not flash the SE with the rampage bios unless you got an extra board.
Only difference between x48 and x38 is a USB glitch which board manufacturers had a work-around for anyway. Guess Intel found an opportunity to release the same chipset twice! :eek:
If Asus tries to treat the x38 any different from x48 (which they seem to be doing already) then my relationship with Asus boards WILL end with this board. This board is a very good board, but I won't have its full potential crippled by an attempt to promote x48 boards over it.
Edit: Now, how many times did I mention "board" in this post? :)
I can only speak for myself; this board (and my Q6600) is so easy to OC, and run at low volts I am kinda shocked. Currently running at 3.2 ghz with 1.3 volts in bios. PI and OCCT stable with 4 ballistix sticks for a total of 4 gb and all 4 cores running at max. Ram volts is set to 1.9 I think it is in bios, that is lower then specs. SB is set at low as I can get it, 1.007 or so. NB is set to 1.47 or so, dont remember for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sources
In my Antec 182 case with fans at medium, the CPU maxes out at about 55Celsius, and the NB at about 52 or so. If I run the top 2 fans at max, the CPU maxes at about 50C with all cores at 100%, NB is 48 or so. That is with FSB strap at 400 mhz, so the ram and cpu is running in sync.
Havent bothered going higher then 3.2 ghz yet (my sig is not up to date, currently at work).
PS The CPU fan is ONLY running at default/non rehostat speed of about 1000 rpm, can run it higher with a rehostat(?) for even lower temps. The mobo qfan controll on the mobo dont work with the Nexus fans, since its only 2 pin fan. As far as I know most are 2 pin fans, but the intel bundled fans are 3 pins.
JH_man
Your not the only one man, I'll just go FOXCONN after this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zucker2k
I guess, from What Tony said keep trying.Quote:
Originally Posted by doom_st
hmm but if rampage had options to control both of the gtl's 0/2 and 1/3Quote:
Originally Posted by [cTx]Warboy
would make that board awesome...
other than that ..its going to be same
hopefully dfi will get the exact p35 UT bios on their x48...
bye bye maximus.. and hello dfi..
There was a major difference in v0907 for mine, ACPI support was all out of wack, no S3 or S4 full reliability. It would almost always hang on resume from S3 and fail to even enter S3 on each OC profiles and tested stable 1:1 as well (wich worked flawlessly on 1:1 in all up to v0903). My5:6 divider felt a bit smoother in 0903 at each 500x and 480x for DDR1200 and 1152. S3 reliability was not 100% on the 5:6, but S4 in and out was fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grnfinger
I noticed a major difference (unless it changed since), X48 doesn't appear to offer ECC DDR RAM support. Please correct me if I'm wrong and it has been updated since. I do see X48 to be better timed for DDR3. And for the builders who insist on releasing a DDR2 X48, it will more then likely be limited to DDR overclocking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zucker2k
What USB glitch? I've noticed my new Ikari mouse's white "CPI status" light stays on, but that's about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zucker2k
sigh, guess maximus formula isnt getting a new bios after 0907, its taking far too long
sure it is, I have newer than 0907
is there another version out thats not a beta release?
Tony, are those ram issues (Trfc) only regard DDR2 Asus boards or DDR3 also?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
I'm tired of waiting for a bios solution, having a lot of black/purple/green screens and spent alot on my system (sig)... I'm thinking on moving to DDR3 boards (P5E3 Dlx). :(