Read post 4059 and post 4079.Quote:
Originally Posted by LaMpiR
Who knows the max bus speed for quadcores without increasing voltages in VMCH and VFSB?
Nobody knows? :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
Cant know until youve tested your cpu. Whats true/possible on one cpu isnt necessarily true/possible for the next.Quote:
Originally Posted by JZX100
I could guess at ~333, but its only a guess.
370 here with my Q6600 B3
I've had my Q6600 G0 for a few days now. Hopefully I'll get it installed this weekend. I'm hoping I can get my fsb somewhere near 400.
humm should I replace my E4300 @ 3Ghz with a Q6600 ?
Hi guys, i was reading some info about the new graphics chips from nvidia that come with PIC-E 2.0 flavor, and they said that a mobo with PCI-E 1.1 version should be able to support PCI-2.0, i want to know if the Bad Axe 2 has 1.1 PCI-E version, does anybody knows something about this??
Thanks
just updated the bios to the newest version 2777, now i just wanna put in this e6750 and hopefully it'll boot.
for some reason after the bios update, my exhaust fans on my p180 seem to be stuck and the blades wont spin. Does anyone know wtf is going on here? I usually have to push the fans in the right direction for it to spin or else it will act like its having a seizure jittering in suspended animation.
Asus have a motherboard list with many 975x board supporting penryn... so it's not a vrm problem i think. Here there are some info : http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-18...-VRM-11.1.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by ELNIKA
Intel, in my opinion, has removed 1333 fbs official support in this board because they don't want you install penryn... they want to push the new extreme board with x38. :down:
What new extreme board? Nothing on their site about it that I can see.
Purplehaze: Did the board work with the E6750? I am thinking about an E6850 if I can see definitive proof that they will work with this board.
im gonna try and put in my e6750 on this board later today after i get off work and hit the gym. I need to first figure out why when i boot my system the fans are acting like they are on acid and just stuttering.
Does your Ballistix run at 2.2V? Whenever I do a BIOS upgrade, the voltage gets set back to 1.8V and the machine won't boot with my Ballistix in, especially if I'm pushing their frequency rating. The only solution is to put in some cheap 1.8V RAM and go into maintenence mode. Sometimes I get the three beeps too, along with the full bore fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by purplehaze
:banana::banana::banana::banana: the board badaxe 2 loads the e6750 with no problem what so ever :)
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/4...0136bp3.th.jpg
Man it looks like :banana::banana::banana::banana: outside the case and with a crappy psu, but hey i had to make sure it posts before i seat the motherboard into the case.
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/2...axe2hj7.th.jpg
after all that fear that it would not run its running fine and its beautiful to boot posting the 1333 bus also. :D
Hi Guys,
I'm looking for your comments and recommendations on whether I should upgrade my bios and if so, which version should I use.
Currently using 2674 as you can see from my sig. I recall reading a while back that maybe the subsequent version gave perhaps 100mhz better OC results.
Just looking at recent posts I see a few complaints on 2700.
As far as my rig is concerned, I am running rock sold stable with 2674. The only complaint I have is that I experienced audio problems using a headset with the front audio jacks when I skype. Intel support had no good answer for me except to clear CMOS, uninstall audio drivers, update Bios, clear event log, and reinstall audio drivers. By the way, I have not bothered to follow through on that, and it might be easier just to get a new USB headset to replace the audio jack version I currently have.
So anyways, with the above in mind, and also given that I value stability, I would appreciate comments and recommendations on (a) whether I should upgrade my bios at all, and (b) if so, which version do you recommend?
Thanks a bunch.
Purplehaze: Are you running the 333mhz cpu reference speed? The board defaults to 266mhz and I was wondering if the BIOS picks the new bus speed up automatically and sets the FSB to 1333? Thanks.
i put it at reference default speed and the motherboard automatically detected the speed at 333
:cool: I have been reading and monitoring this thread for a loooooooooooooong time and thought it was time to give my (our) 10 months of FACTS and info to all the problems, issues and posts in this unacceptably huge thread. Nothing I will state is opinion or hear say, it's all fact. Listen up:
1) It took over six months to actually register with Xtremesystems. ALL emails are hacked and intentionally messed up when regestering and/or giving feedback to admins via this forum pages alone.. This is done intentionally by the kids who run this forum. So... beware.
2) GTJ I believe has given up on this thread. Either because the same things are ask and repeated over and over and over, and no research is done by posters first, or for other reasons. WHERE YOU BEEN BOY?. His guide for the d975xbx2 had not been update as stated forever (COU compatibility), and some of the info contained in it is not factual and theroetical only. We built and spent over $2500 cash money on a new system based on some of the info contained in it, and it's BS.
3) Starting as of December 2006, and with a relable , educated, over 30 inside contact within Intel, the direct question was asked to Intel at the corporate and engineering level for end-users and consumers of the compatibility and engineering of the d975xbx2 and the (then) upcomming E series processors. Spercifically if the Bad Axe 2 is engineered and will (would be) specifically manufactured for the E6850. NOTE THIS: regardless of the email Customer Service rep you or anyone would get a response from, or a telephone response from a CS rep, it is all mostly 100% BS and a direct ruse by Intel at the highest levels. Intel, in 22 different phone calls, and 17 emails to and from Intel CS in 9 months, was (and always will be) rude, unspecific, and directly misleading to the paying end-user. The recent post to this thread about Intel briefly (and mistakenly) showing the E6850 being on the CPU compability list was, yet again, a ploy by Intel to give end-users a possible glimmer of hope that the 1330fsb processors would be 100% compatible with the d975xbx2. IT IS NOT, whether you as a paying end user can get one to work with the Bad Axe 2 or not... Intel's direct engineering and intent is to make you, the paying DIY consumer, do its decades worth of historical BS and have to buy another new motherboard that INTEL WILL SHOW ON ITS MOTHERBOARD AND PROCESSOR COMPATIBILITY LISTS ONLY.
4) A good example that Intel has rused and BS's us all again on the d975xbx2, for about the 9th time in almost two decades, is this: http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles...240&cid=2&pg=1. There are many many other articles and proof that can easily be found via the publically viewed web alone. The Bad Axe 2 could (and can) easily be 100% compatible with their 1333 fsb standard. But that is not Intel's intent to the paying consumer and end user. They are INTENTIONALLY wanting and making us buy more mid-term valueless motherboards and products from them. They INTENTIONALLY, solely, and directly will only offically support the 1333fsb and E0 series processors on their new and overpriced X38 chipsets. Period. Bad Axe 2 owners have been duped, and suckered again by Intel.
5) Quality control: I (personally) am on the third d975xbx2 in 4 months. Posters here that state they have the rev. 505 of this overpriced motherboard have mostly either had to scope out and buy one retail from a in-store vendor, or worked their butt off to try and get a rev. 505 from a etailer. It is not easy. My first Bad Axe 2 as of Feb 07 was from Newegg, and it was a rev 504. At Bios stock, and stock speeds, it completely fried a E6600 (@ stock speeds) with in a month. CPU and board were all at 32c, etc. Second board was a rev 505 and was lucky to get it. Brand new out-of-the box retail, a major capacitor was rolling around loose in the anti-static bag and was never soldiered to the board during manufacturing. it was shipped our from the "Intel factory" anyway. Third board now using is a rev 504 with Bios 2777. Plain jane with half the performance it should have for the cost. Using a good friend who is over 30 with a Masters In Electrical Engineering (who works for Hughes Aircraft in L.A.) on a literal day-today basis, this board, bios, and hardware has been tweaked continually. DO NOT SUCCUM TO THE REVIEWS FROM CHEERLEADER SITES LIKE ANANDTECH, EXTREEMTECH, etc etc thinking their credibility is better than end users here on this forum. They are not.
a) Intel continually changes the Chineese manufaturing factories they contract their services from. Intel will has never and will never tell you in any way shape or form where your d975xbx2 Bad Axe 2 motherboard is actually made. Thier Bearlake x38 will be worse. Thier quality control gets worse every year due to this money making and 'keep the stock price rising" scheme from Intel at the corporate level. FACT: All you can ever be sure of for manufaturing and quality control from Intel is that your motherboard (and other Intel products) are made by literal slave labor Chinese little girls working 12 or more hours a day, 6 days a week, for slave labor wages, with no talking what-so-ever, away from home alone in boarding house slum conditions (confirmed). Their mind is NOT on getting the soilders right and the motherboard they have thier hands on at the time of manufacturer; their mind is on home and family and the poor living conditions and low wages they are making... Intel is fully aware of this, and is bad if not worse than Walmart.
6) We intentionally put two sticks of Crucial Ballistix DDR2-1000 PC8000 in our THIRD Bad Axe 2, to supress any engineering flaws and (this) forum feedback about memory problems. No wonder you kids and other (rare) over 30 adult users have so many memory compatibility problems with stock DDR2 667 sticks. The Bad Axe 2 with ANY revision or Bios version runs at BASIC compatibility speeds with our better memory, and no overclocked stock latencies 667 memory 'barely" works...Intel's QVL (Qualified Vendor List) for the Bad Axe 2 memory requirements is a complete joke, and always will be. The x38 release will be worse. It's a complete hit-and-miss at the end users consumers expense (YOU!). Our un named Intel engineer contact states there have always been "inter office" rumors that Intel's offical testing for thier motherboard memory qualification is quote: "...very little actual confirmation and testing, and mostly kickbacks from memory stick manufactuers themselves..." unquote. This is yet again a (confirmed) Intel engineering problem. Intel, unlike U.S. auto makers that are forced to do so by the US government, will NEVER recall and replace any of thier motherboards or products on a mass scale due to defects. So, before you use your food money, house or car payments, or college tuition to buy 4 gigs of 1333fsb bus memory to run Windows Vista on a new Intel x38 motherboard, RE-THINK your addiction. It's been the same story with Intel and memory compatibility for decades.
7) This thread alone now shows over 165 pages of threads and posts. No common visitor to this thread will, or ever will be able to digest or cosume all the user posts for a post/thread this big. Xtremesystems needs to limit ANY thread to say 10 or 20 pages max, as the common poster and reader of this thread is 25 years of age or younger, and does not have the time or the intelligence level to read and research a thread/post this big, nor will do so out of lifestyle. There needs to be at least 10 NEW POSTS THREADS that break down the contents of this thread alone, directly applying to the d975xbx2. GTJ where are you.
:cool:
Rockmore, it seems to me like you need to grab a beer and chill;)
Limiting threads to 10-20 pages? Why on earth would you wanna do that? I cant speak for anyone else but I have read every single post in this thread. And besides, the whole point of forums like this is of course to build up a searchable knowledge base. That people are lazy and dont even bother to use the search function is a whole other problem with a different solution.
Well i hope my board is tuff, got a quadcore and 2 x 2900xt crossfire + 6HDD's
its rev505 so.....
Rockmore: Mine is a rev502 purchased in nov. 06 and I have had no problems with it at all. My friend has a rev 505 and he could only get 3ghz out of his e6600 where I can easily get 3.4ghz with the same cooler. I plan on getting an e6850 soon to tide me over until the 45nm chips comes out and level off in price early next year. I would just like to keep the bx2 if it will work with the e6850 and buy a new x38 early next year. That is if the bx2 doesn't take a dump when I insert the E6850 :)
Purplehaze: Thanks for the legwork and let us know how your stability with the 1333 chip holds out.
OMFG..how old are you?:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rockmore
If you did all this research you would know OCing is not guaranteed....
I bought an Asus several yrs ago that was supposedly guaranteed to run and upcomging processor (AthonXP) guess what in the end it could not....
Intel developed this board before the e6x50 chips or quad cores...there where no promises(should a bios be released to support these chips yes IMHO)
it is not a high fsb board...but it is rock stable(better than my ICFX3200 and 965-S boards)
there are possibly some issues with slot 3 killing ram over 2.2v...beware
best mobo I have found on being rebootable after a bad overclock although having to play the jumper game is a pain
My ICFX3200 on adjusting one overclock (changed a fsb setting) just up and died...nothing brought the bios back..never figured what happened...talk poor QC( I went through 2 of these before I gave up on the overpriced piece of crap, but this my opinion only ..others did fine with the mobo)
As for GTJ...maybe he decided he had a life which was more important than this thread..he owes you, me and this thread nothing....
With that said...his info, input and guide are/were terrific....thanks GTJ:up:
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Originally Posted by Rockmore
zomg. You lost me at hello... longest post I have ever read. Thought it was a term-paper.
I couldn't help noticing your 420W PSU in your sig. Is that enough for all your components?
Sorry to hear your problems though.
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Originally Posted by nealh
Thanks for your post, Neal. I, too, am wondering about either the chronological or mental age of the poster you quoted and responded to.
I do like how he uses a secret "unnamned Intel engineer" as his source for information.....as that holds any credibility at all. Heck, I could post the same crap....wouldn't make it truth or correct, but would sound good.
From my experiences with Intel boards, and I'm in the over-50 crowd and have been using Intel-made boards off and on so long I probably started using them before Rockmore could read or write his biased diatribes. I've found that Intel boards have always been rock solid and stable boards and have always been the most tolerant of boards as to being able to handle any and all memory modules thrown in them.
I'd contrast that to other motherboard manufacturers that are highly picky about any and all components connected to them.....DFI comes to mind in that respect. DFI is the extreme opposite of Intel boards.....highly overclockable and highly picky about what you put onto them. Personally, I'd gladly trade some overclocking speeds for stability and part tolerance.
BTW...nowhere have I ever seen Intel promise compatibility with the Penryn-based cpus on this board...ever. To slam them for not providing such is ludicrous.
Chipsets change as cpus are released.....has always been so and will always be so. The X975, Intel's first foray into allowing overclocking, has been a very successful and stable board, despite your little diatribe against it, Rockmore.
Personally, if you had to resort to using an electrical engineer to tweak your board on a daily basis for you, something I'd actually recommend against (not slamming EE's here, but what makes an EE any better at tweaking a motherboard's settings than anyone else?), changing them daily is just, again, silly and stupid.
BTW....I'd honestly invest in a better power supply. Your HiPer is just barely within spec for what ATI/AMD recommends for the X1950 Pro for +12V amperage minimums. And since HiPer uses single wires at the power supply and splits them into their three/four separate connections at the mb/video card connectors, there is the issue of increased voltage resistance from the connectors at the power supply vs. those modular units that use the same number of connections from power supply connector to mb/video card end of the cable. Maybe your EE friend can teach you about electrical resistance in wiring sometime and why HiPer's choice of how they wire their interconnecting cables increases electrical resistance as compared to other power supply makers, like Seasonic, Ultra, etc.
Another BTW....it's VS., not VRS.
And just one more question.....your avatar. Did you borrow it from someone or are you another user who got banned a while ago? I seem to remember that specific avatar being used by another member, no longer able to post here. Hmmmmm??
This is true, but if Asus can support 1333fbs and penryn whit 975x why Intel can't? why buy an Intel Extreme motherboard when for the same money you could buy an Asus? If my badaxe2 will not support penryn this will be for sure my last intel motherboard.Quote:
Originally Posted by C'DaleRider
I aggree, the fact that one manuf can support it on the chipset, and not "The" chipset manuf itself, is utter CRAP.....:mad:
hi i just received my BX2 today, but after inspecting it i found its a rev504. should i send it back and hope for a rev505 next time? or is rev504 ok? i seen that long post on the last page by Rockmore where he says something about Quality control and stuff, and now im worried if i picked the wrong borad. after readin up on this board for months now, and asking lots of questions i picked this one over Asus, hope i didnt make a bad choice :confused: my cpu wont be here till thursday, went with the e6600.
hawk1, I have rev 504 and am rock solid stable.
By the way, can anyone offer comments on whether I should upgrade my bios? Here is the text of my post #4118:
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Originally Posted by chuchu
Geeze... threatened geeks in the ignorence of their lack of knowledge, contacts, and ability to accept fact and reality... SCARY.
What we posted, again with over 10 months of information, research, knowledge, and use, is fact. ESPECIALLY about Intel at the coprorate level and it's historic ruse to the paying consumer end-user, especially in regards to the d975xbx2. It was posted to ASSIST those of you that need it, not for challenges and and rude comments from those threatened by their own jealosy or personal problems.
Will respond to a few comments though:
- The 420v modular Hyper we chose specifically OVER more hyped and expensive and marketed PS's is MORE THAN adaquare, and has MORE THAN enough amps on the 12v rails than needed. A good example is the Asus x1950 pro which markets and states that it needs "a full 30 volts on the 12v rail", which is inccorect and way out of the specs for any mid-level ard in it's class. QUALITY is what counts in any power supply, and we did a ton of research and company contacts BEFORE deciding on it. Ironically it is also English made, like our Crucial Ballistix sticks. What the statistics and demographics show is than most enthusists and plain old ignorent PC geeks think they have to have a 700w or 800w or more PS because they are running a overpriced 8800 video card etc. Couldn't be farther from the truth. Quality and putiry is what counts and always has been. PLUS the worldwide impact on non-renewable energy use doubbling electrcity usage for power consumption on the billions of home and business PC's just to get off and enjoyment... scary.
-No problems what-so-ever on running the two sticks of Crucial Ballistix's
at stock 2.2v in ANY slot, especially the third slot- If you would notice, our final stable tweak is 4-4-4-12 at 2.16v (not the stock 5-5-5-15 at 2.2v). Again we intentionally went with their DDR2 1000 PC8000 sticks insted of the stock 667 standard, as if anyone knows about memory these days (especially when it comes the the junk Corsair has been putting out over the past year) most stick by any manufacturer specs are completely false amd misleading to the consumer. Crucial's DDR2 1000 PC8000 are basically "quarenteed 667" sticks...
- We couldn't agree more, AND ALREADY STATED in our original post, the example of Intel's yet again ruse to the end-user consumer about the d975xbx2's fsb1333 non-compability and standard. Obviously a lot of you 'readers' didn't even take a minute to go to the link we provided on this proven fact. YES, some boards from Asus using the same 975 chipset fully support the EE E0 1333 processors, and has nothing to do with Intel's chipset. It, again, was Intel's ruse and intent to sucker the end-user consumer into thinking (and heavily marketing) that the d875xbx2 MOTHERBOARD (not the 975 chipset) would be fully uopgradable and compatible with thier new (then future) releases and standards (the 1333fsb). Intel's whole heavy market push showing the Penryn specs and previews were used everywhere Intel went on a FULLY MODIFIED d975xbx2's. Yet, of course, Intel would not and will not give what the "modifications" were are to those of us who heavily invested in the Bad Axe 2, and expecting it to be 100% compatible with any 1333fsb standard.
- The poster who mentioned his concerns over the rev 504 vrs rev 505 (YES IT IS VRS ac. I.E. the latin and American English short for VERSES plural, not VR or VS whatever that hillbilly incorrect usage is...), I wouldn't worry about it now. Intel's basic attempts at Bios revisions have semi-corrected a lot of problems, and busting your tail to try and find a rev 505 from a Etailer is not worth the trouble anymore, ESPECIALLY if you have no plans to upgrade in the next two years or so. The d975xbx2 is nor "written in stone" for what it will and will not do, rev 504 and 505. The ONLY concerns now are quality control on all the boards themselves (see original post). and the lack of therein. Again the x38 boards they will shortley shove on us all WILL BE WORSE from manufacturing than anything Intel has done historically before.
- The self-proclaimed old fart over 50 poster: lol lol... scar eeee. For one there gramps, our avitar comes soley from us and from our only posts and registration ever on this forum. It is a 1911 handgun gif from another hobby many of our peers and friends share (legally sport shooting). From all of the kid's girly pin-up and other strage avitars, we though we would use that one, to show some adulthood and humor all at once. We will user whatever we want for an avitar there gramps- you know what you can do with your attitude and skeptism. Again, if you would fo read the original posts, it took since feb of this year to even register on this site from the kids who run the XtremeSystems boards... So no no one has ever been "banned or kicked off" Geeze...lol... miss your midol or prune juice this week?!? Our engineering contact WITHIN INTEL is a long time college buddy, and also uses whatever 1st or 5th admendment annonimity he, OR WE, wants to. It's his and our privledge, and his association in regards to the Whistle Blowers Act also applies in whatever journalistic approch he, OR WE desire when it comes to Intel's rusing the consumer public. The d975xbx2 happens to fit all those crteria, and our personal educated experencies with it, exactly.
Also the fact that one of us is a 20 year vet with a masters in Electrical Engeneering give us full credibility on the problems and issues with this board itself, and out weighs your fat thumb plunking and threatened responses and opinions on what we post about it, with confirmed credibility. Many enthuisists here who DONT have the education or experience can benefit more from our facts, demographics, experiences, and proven issues with Intel, expecially with the d875xbx2, than mere 5 minute exposure problems posted in one sentence gripes. You run along now...
Lastly, in regards to GTJ, and the expense and time "he" or it has done with this board, dissapearing and failing on any future experiences and facts gives up a lot of creditibility of any previous posts. The page "he" or it went to the trouble to create, and then just leaving it out-of-date, is very dissapointing to a lot of readers/posters. The promised CPU (and other) compatibility at the bottom of his page has been a empty brick for six or more months. Educated posters like us are taking up some of the slack. especially since this HUGE thread main topic of concern has been fsb1333 and other compatibility, for the back 5 weeks... so GTJ if youre out there, let some of your readers know youre OK, and update the page you made about the d975xbx2!
REV: Our typo on the X1950 pro and HYPER power supply was 30v on a 12 v rail- MENT TO SAY 30A (amps) on a 12 v rail.
Clearly I missed a little.
Rockmore...I'm sorry you spend $2500 based on the "BS" in my guide. Maybe you could do me and the community a favor by pointing out the errors and omissions so I can correct them. Or maybe you could create your own guide.
As nealh pointed out (thank you) I do have a life and had to make a choice between continuing to participate here and participating in other activities such as earning a living. The fact that the same questions get asked is neither unexpected nor toublesome. New people come through here all the time and you do have 1 good point...this thread is huge. Maybe someone could create a Wiki that could be maintained by the community. Any volunteers?
I've had a total of 8 XBX2 from rev 502 to 506 over the past few months. Only one of my mobo died but it was under special cooling and it was heavily vmodded. Can't tell what you're doing wrong with your board, maybe you're just as unlucky as me with asus mobo. I also have no time to update the thread/pics and all. Sometime life > overclocking
Good to see you GTJ :welcome:
gtj good welcome back,and thanks
Rockmore, since when Hiper (you spelled it wrong btw) PSU are very reliable ?? Those are known to be crappy bling boxes.
Real good powersupplies would be Seasonic, PCP&C, Fortron and Corsair. I wouldn't touch any Hiper with a 10-foot pole and it's strange you spend lots on money on your rig and skimp on the PSU...
I won't answer any of your comments, especially the forced obsolence of the board. It make sense when we know Intel will release the DX38BT board to replace the D975XBX2 to better support the new Penryn. Mine runs well but is already at his limits with my Q6600 so running at 1333 may not be comfortable for Intel engineers. If you are not happy with Intel's strategies, why buy this board ??
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Originally Posted by Supertim0r
Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by scorpion
gtj, question:
for a few months, I was stable at 3.4Ghz with the CPU at 1.375V ,FSB and MCH voltage at 1.4 respectively 1.6. Now, I have just ran Orthos blend, and after an hour , it crashes. I went up all the way to 1.45V for the CPU and after less than 2hrs, it crashed again.
Is it possible that over time the CPU will need more power? I mean, it was stable before and now all of a sudden is not.
I have the E6600, 2GHZ G-Skills, 7600GT, 1 Sata HD. My power supply is a Seasonic S12 420W. I hope that is powerful enough.
Any ideas ?
It's funny. I thought Rockmore's posts were rather rude, but nonetheless he managed to reawaken the thread :-).
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Originally Posted by horatiub
Look at the core temps and see if it get increased since last time ?
I personally have learned a lot from gtj's post and I commend him on the time and thoroughness of his post. :clap: :clap:
If your machine is otherwise stable, I wouldn't worry about Orthos. My "ernie" machine couldn't pass a 30 minute Orthos but hasn't locked up or otherwise had a problem in months and I push my machines pretty hard.Quote:
Originally Posted by horatiub
Having said that, your vcore is pretty low so you have plenty of room to increase. If the Orthos fail bugs you, try increasing vcore in small steps (watching your temps of course) and see how much voltage you need to be stable.
Knowing your memory settings and what the Orthos error message was will help also.
With only 1 drive (and a CD/DVD I assume) a 420 should be OK.
:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Velatra
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Originally Posted by Xilikon
Xilikon, the temperature did increase, with light internet browsing, I'm in between 48-51. It was lower beforeQuote:
Originally Posted by gtj
gtj,
my memory settings are at 5-5-5-15 with the voltage set at 2.08
The vcore is at 1.45 right now and after 2 hrs, Orthos crashes.
I had similar problems (see http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=146884) but the problems were caused by the RAM temps. I could make Orthos crash even faster by using the RAM stress option in Orthos. CPU had nothing to do with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by horatiub
it's funny that I never had this problem before, I even have the big Tuniq Tower on top of the CPUQuote:
Originally Posted by kpax
Me neither, until my apartment temps went up to 27-28C. Check your mobo temps with speedfan (4.32 supports badaxe 2) or Everest (i don't use Intel tools anymore as they tend to generate conflicts). You want to keep those temps under 50 if possible... In my case Orthos would crash when the mobo temp would reach 60C. Because of the lack of ventilation it would not cool down quickly enough which would make the next Orthos runs to fail sooner.
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Originally Posted by Rockmore
I had a rev505 board fry my TeamXtreem DDR2 667 kit (memory errors to the point of total instability), at stock settings.
I returned the motherboard thinking that could be the problem. I got another fresh rev505 and the memory still didn't work. I went ahead and got an RMA from TeamXtreem and got another pair, only to have them fried again on my second motherboard. I had to RMA, for a second time, the TeamXtreem RAM, and now I'm running them under-spec to avoid instability.
Because of this, I have come to accept that I made a poor choice with this motherboard, despite all the cheerleading going on here and elsewhere.
Rockmore, your information is important because people like me feel like the odd ones out amidst all the cheerleading going on. Unfortunately your forceful and emotional tone is too inciting, too immature to be take seriously, even by someone like me who wants to believe you.
When your memory failed, are they in memory slot 1 and 3(blue)?Quote:
Originally Posted by uberwurst
Because memory slot 3 frying memory is a well known problem.
Yes it was.. both sticks were fried howeverQuote:
Originally Posted by wa2000
Is there another way to run it dual channel?
how well known can it be... it doesn't come up in google with any of the obvious keywords
gtj, whats your secert on not frieing ram, i tried 4gs and like most post it fried my ram to.one other thing when running the e6600,i could overclock very easly to 3.8 but with the new q6600 iam having problems at 3.4 any sugg. thanks scorpion
I now run my pair or memory in black ram slot.Quote:
Originally Posted by uberwurst
mines just the opposit i run in the blue slot
He is full crap..all I see is we this and we that...no data or anything to back up his crapQuote:
Originally Posted by gtj
The Badaxe2 is what it is...a good stable and easy to setup board for the most part....and I am happy to say the maintenance mode is excellent
Glad to see your are back posting...Quote:
As nealh pointed out (thank you) I do have a life and had to make a choice between continuing to participate here and participating in other activities such as earning a living.
I personally have nothing but gratitude for your efforts
BTW Supertim0r thanks for all your input as well
TY neal.....exactly the point I was trying to make. :)
will an XFX 7950 GT fit on the BX2 or will it hit the northbridge heatsink. the XFX version has the big passive heatpipe cooler on it. another thing i havent put my system together yet still waiting on the video card, i have the board(BX2 of couse), ram(Team Group), cpu(e6600), power supply(Enermax Infiniti 720w), case(Themaltake armor), hard drives(raptors) ect... but i was wondering when i first build should i go ahead and use the black ram slots rather then the blue ones? ive heard the blue ones fry ur ram, or is that only if you over volt it? ive got some ddr2 800 Team Xtreem 4-4-4-10 and i plan to run my cpu, ram and everything at stock speeds no overclocking:rolleyes:
EDIT: i have another question (sorry for all the questions guys). but what do you think would be better the XFX 7950 GT i asked about (that is if it will fit) or a eVGA 8600 GTS. i dont want to get a 8800 yet, because when i do get one i want one with more memory then the 320 version, and plus i want to wait and see what other new things are going to come out. i just want a good card for now. i play lots of CS:S and BF2 and 2142 type games.
ok guys i tried to overclock the e6750 and it will not o'c. cpu-z will not read an overclock on the processor even though i adjusted all of it in the bios. Time to go back to a e6600 or so
What ratio are you running? Is the system otherwise stable?Quote:
Originally Posted by horatiub
I use OCZ exclusively. For better or worse, I've NEVER lost a stick.Quote:
Originally Posted by scorpion
Thanks again.Quote:
Originally Posted by nealh
BTW, I never did figure out who Rockmore's "we/our" are? Does anyone know?
Maybe its the royal "we" ;)
gtj, I'm running 1:1 , 266/533Quote:
Originally Posted by gtj
the system is stable, the only problem I have noticed recently is that firefox crashes all the time, it never happened before. Of course, I uninstalled completely, reinstalled, no plugins etc..and it still crashes, so I'm wondering if it's because of the overclocking.
ok, so I moved down from 3.2 from 3.4 to see how my temperatures are.
here is a screenshot from Everest
are the temps ok? I just reapplied some AS5 to see if it helps.
at full load, they go up 65-66 degrees.
I have a 7950 GX2 in the BX2, if that helps. No problem with the fit...Quote:
Originally Posted by hawk1
Hi, I have 2 exact pc built of the following, got the same problem on the 2 PC
PC Power And COoling Silencer 750w
Q6600 @ 2.4 stock
2x2gb OCZ DDR800 5-4-4-15 2.1v sticks
Intel Badaxe 2 Lastest Bios (2777)
EVGA 8800 Ultra
Onboard sound
2x Seagate 500gb Sata hard drives
1x Raptor 74gb
1x Sata DVD Reader
Windows XP 32bit
Ok i installed XP, everything when fine, bios updated, chipsed driver updated, matrix controller, windows xp updates,latest Forceware Drivers (162.18)
gave the pc to the customer, then he calls me saying the video card was not recognised. I come to see that, reinstall nvidia drivers, it works fine.
I reboot, and its like the drivers were uninstalled again. I check in device manager and i got:
This device cannot start. (Code 10)
Location says: PCI Slot 11 (PCI bus 1, device 0, function 0)
In bios, the PCI-Express is set to : PCI-Express (PEG) as default display mode.
I can do orthos Blend rock solid for hours. Its just the damn video card having a IRQ conflict or something like that...
Things Ive Tried:
Plugging the Molex connector for Crossfire PCI-E support on the motherboard
Using the 2 other PCiE Power connector from power supply
Reinstalling drivers the clean way with driver cleaner pro and safe mode
Setting PCI xpress mode to Auto, PCI mode and Pci-Express PEG mode
Setting ram to ultra loose timings
Bios Update
CHipset driver update
Nvidia Beta Drivers
Disabling/renabling device in device manager
I really dont know what else i could try. Can someone have an idea?
This is totally off-topic and irrelevant but I had to point it out - the whole argument about Rockmore's avatar is funny, but not near as funny as his lame explanation. I have seen that avatar on several different torrent sites for years. He didn't create :banana::banana::banana::banana:. Rockmore sounds like nothing more than an Asus and/or AMD fanboy not willing to accept that Intel is finally putting out some great boards. :yepp:
I just put e6850 into machine today. Would not even POST with 2770 and 2674. Will boot up with 2777 bios but NO OC at all. You can change in Bios, CPU-Z 1.4.5 show 3.0 ghz w/o any OC. Maintenance mode not available anymore on either board after the bios update.
Making some changes now keeps it from POST.
Trying to reset bios.
Was running e6420 @ 3.2 (400x8) Othos stable 8+ hours.
Other was e4300 @ 3.15 (350x9) Othos stable 8+ hours.
Both on Zalman 9700's.
I have DFI 965 dark board with E4300 @ 3.5 Othos stable 8+ hours.
I need the stability of the XBX2 with the OC of 3.5+.
Any ideas?
I may purchase e6700, but e6850 was $40 cheaper.
Boards have been rock stable otherwise.
OK....probably missed this in the thousands of posts, and if I did, sorry for repeating this question.
This board, the D975XBX2, and the workstation version of the same board, the S975XBX2, seem to be exactly the same sans the fancy MOSFET heatsinks and one fan header that the "D", or desktop, version has that the "S", or workstation/server version doesn't have.
The question is......has anyone successfully run the Xeon X3210 processor on the BX2? I'd gladly sacrifice 260MHz in initial processor speed.....the difference between the X3210 (2.14GHz) and the Q6600 (2.4GHz), for a savings of $30-$40. And since the Xeon is compatible with the "S" version of the board, and since both boards use the same BIOS updates and drivers, I'd think the Xeon would run without issues on our desktop "D" BX2 boards.
You won't have a problem running those Xeons since it's 100% identical to Q6600 beside name and multiplier. The desktop version will work fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by C'DaleRider
So in other words this board does not support the E6x50 processors. That is a real shame considering it is no doubt an easy BIOS fix to implement since other 975 chipset boards can do it. Looks like I'll be getting a new board when the 45nm chips come out and holding off on the E6x50 series. Pretty lame of Intel imo and I will remember that when I buy my new board.
I have honestly not searched around for this, but I hope you don't mind me asking.
I plan to OC using the 1:1 divider and look for low timings etc on my ram.
What strap do I use? the default one or the 800MHz strap? which gives better performance? I suppose I cannot get as high clocks on the lower straps but if it gives better performance that's ok.
What strap would you say is best?
xeon will work on Desktop badaxe 2 but it is not "officially" supported, Wich means that if you have problem with your board and call intel customer service and say:
I HAVE A XEON,
a red light will flash in the customer support room and a robot will automaticly answer: Im sorry, unfortunatly the processor solution you have for your motherboard is not currently supported. No support is available for the system solution you have.
Altought, if you say:
I HAVE A 6600!
you will have support.
As for the difference between badaxe Server board and Desktop board, i think there is alot of overclocking option missing in the bios, and the pcb is greeeen
After all this i am quite confused. I wonna buy E6850 but will it work on my Bad Axe 2? I have the latest bios and my board rev. is 507?
I just tried this on two boards 2 days ago. Only Bios of the 3 I tried, that worked (at all) was the latest.
DO NOT OVERCLOCK! If you do, you will spend hours trying to get back to a stable state. Both boards showed OC in bios, but not once booted into XP.
Once OC was tried, it would not let the board back into maintenance mode and I had a lot of trouble getting unstuck. Bootable floppy bios method and .bio method didn't work at all.
It seemed to run fine at stock speed but didn't spend much time there as I wanted 3.5+ OC on air and stable. I returned the chip.
I am thinking about q6600 or e6600. e6600's are still too much money to be 'discontinued'.
Well, I finall got my Q6600 installed. I'm running at 3.0ghz. I've done a bit of priming so it seems stable. I'll do the full on 24 hr test soon. I want to see if I can get the processor speed higher first. One thing that concerns me is my temperature readings. IDU actually shows my temperatures dropping when I fire up Prime 95 (25.4). I wonder if this has to do with the fact that I swapped out a Pentium D without reformatting. Strange.
Oh, by the way, do y'all enable HPET? I've enable it for the time being.
use the last coretemp to monitor your cpu temp ;)
LMAO! I don't know but I kept looking over my shoulder while reading his posts, kept feeling like "they" were going to sneak out of the shadows and get me. LOL. "They" don't have alot of respect I can tell you that. I never read your full XBX2 webpage but the calculator is invaluable, good work. If you can't maintain it, put "with info as of post #xxxx in the Testing / comparing : Intel D975XBX2 / Asus P5B DX ***56K WARNING*** thread (with link)" that way people know where to go for newer stuff, case closed, you have done enough. Good work can't believe he would slam someone his has given so much time to the thread...Quote:
BTW, I never did figure out who Rockmore's "we/our" are? Does anyone know?
Anyway I didn't post to say that. My thoughts and experience I thought I would update though.
-Intel tech support is kind of sketchy.
-I do believe this board can kill RAM no particular slot, unfortuanetly not how or where limits are or how to avoid.
-Board is entering it's 6 month of 24/7 100% CPU usage on a quad core at 3.66Ghz. I don't know how much more stable it gets...huge power load, huge heat, well beyond rated specs, just solid, not awe inspring necessarily but solid.
-If the board supports 1333FSB or 45nm is moot point for me, it said nothing about that in the specs when I bought, why would I hold Intel to it, it would just be gravy if they did...
-I need to disclose that I'm over 30, that apparently is important. ROFL.
Cheers, hope everyone elses board is still going strong...
I <3 my XBX2 but for reasons that I have no clue about, I can't seem to get my system stable past 2.8GHz.
I have the following:
Intel Core 2 Duo e6300 @ 2.8Hz (for some reason, it won't go faster)
Cooler Master Gemini II HSF w/ 2x 120mm Scythe Minebea NMB fans.
Intel D975XBX2 "Bad Axe 2" Mainboard.
2x 1GB Buffalo FireStix DDR2 PC-8000 ram.
2x Samsung SpinPoint P Series SP2504C 250GB HDs in RAID 0.
2x Samsung SH-S182D/BEBE 18x DVD+/-R/RW DL DVD burners.
Cooling under full load is about 65C and idle is about 40C or so. Anyone have a general idea on what I should be setting cause I am at a lost on how to set it up as I have yet to find an easy to follow guide on the matter.
I have exactly the same situation on my new XBX2. When OC-ed to 2.8 GHz (400 MHz FSB) mbo is full stable, but I just can't get to 430 MHz FSB (3.0GHz). I've tried everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kurumi
Older XBX2 (rev 504) could do 485 MHz FSB without problem, but died last month. New one is rev 507. :(
Nevermind...I'll replace my XBX2 with X38 mbo soon.
I like the BadAxe2 motherboard. I've not tried to push the FSB as far as you are trying to push it though due to heat (QX6700).Quote:
Originally Posted by Kurumi
Check these out and see if you can find some answers there:
http://www.peakin.com/xbx2/index.html
http://www.peakin.com/xbx2/calculator.html
Also take a look at this article. Different chipset but you may find something helpful there:
http://www.techspot.com/review/40-co...-overclocking/
anybody have issues with sata ports corrupting/dying..I was getting bads burns..based on burn graph...
On the Intel controller
I had Seagates on Sata 0 and 1....DVDrw on sata 2 and 3(sata2 appears to be the bad port on my mobo...when you use the included sata cables I no longer get the clicking sound when the plug connects
moved the HDD to the marvell controller...burst rate really drops...from 250gb/sec to 173 on my Seagate 320 7200.10
moved the DVDRW to SATA 0 and 1...burns ok again
wonder if I can move my boot drive back to SATA 0 on the intel..leaving a SATA dvdrw on port 1....(place my other sata dvdrw on port3)
I haven't had any issues with my BadAxe2 at all..... No problems with the Intel SATA ports.... No problems with RAM getting fried.... No problems at all that I didn't cause by letting the temps get too high from overclocking further than my Zalman 9700 can handle. I put this computer together in November and have been running is 24/7 crunching WCG since then. At first I had an E6700 in it. Now I have a QX6700 @ 3.3GHz. In addition to crunching WCG 24/7 I use this computer for just about everything else that I do - including making this post.
I'll post all the specs below. Maybe that will help someone out. I don't remember what the voltages are set at. I'll have to come back and edit in that info.
CM Stacker 810 case with two 120mm fans in front instead of one as they come stock. I also added a fan in the side panel - 60mm I think - blowing into the case. Other than the two additional fans the case is stock.
QX 6700
3GB Ballistix Tracer PC2 8000 (2x1GB + 2x512MB)
Zalman 9700 (Ultra 120 Extreme on the way. The 9700 really isn't up to a Quad.)
2 X 150GB Raptors in RAID 0 on the Intel SATA ports + a 320GB Seagate 7200.10
Lite-On DVD
8800 GTX
X-Fi Music
PC P&C Silencer 750
Settings: 330 FSB, RAM 266 / 800 (2/3 ratio)
Volts: CPU 1.3875, FSB 1.375, MCH/ICH 1.550
Hope this helps...... :)
Quote:
Originally Posted by David_L6
well I just moved to a new case my TJ07...installed a new dvdrw and all of sudden burns curves are awful...16x disc cant be burned at 16x.....wtf
New dvdrw...swapped cables.....still poop
well move both HDD to marvel off Intel...move SATA to 0 and 1 off SATA 2 & 3....no issues
my sata port is :bananal:
I can't seem to get my Q6600 stable above 3ghz (9x334). It seems my system is more stable with the default fsb and mch voltages (rather than higher ones). Even a touch below default (ie 1.3/1.5) seems fine. There's another post way back in this thread which also indicates success with lowering these voltages. I'll admit, though that my tests have not been the most rigorous (not keeping written notes per gtj's recommendation :-) ). I've booted as high as 360, but stability peak fsb can't be much higher than 334. My stress test consists of running Prime95 25.4 (with 4 threads), ATI Tool, WoW, Coretemp, and IDU. This will cause one of the cores to throw an error pretty quickly if I'm clocked to high. I was hoping to hit around 360, but I guess I won't be too bummed if 334 's the limit.
are you sure temps are not the issue with loading the quad on air??Quote:
Originally Posted by Velatra
also do me a favor try just running Prime 95 with ATI Tool, WOW,AV, spware and IDU(IIRC IDU maybe causing the issues)...drivers maybe conflicting
Hey guys does speedfan report a mobo temp or internal case temp for the badaxe2 mobo
Looks like there's a new v2785 bios update for the 975BX2... but no mention of 6x50 support yet.
Well I "primed" successfully with fsb@348 (up from 334) for a few minutes 'til I fired up WoW. This caused Prime95 to throw an error. Even though I was priming successfully prior to launching WoW I still see this as a sign of reduced stability. I like this stress testing method I've hit upon and I think I'll stick with it for the time being. I'll see how I do with the new BIOS. Perhaps I'll also disable VT. Do the rest of y'all disable it? Also do y'all think it's possible that higher voltage settings for FSB and MCH may cause instability (as I seem to find)?Quote:
Originally Posted by nealh
What is the best BIOS for the BadAxe2 right now? I'm trying to run 400x9 stable and it seems that it's having a hard time clocking RAM above 500MHz. I tried 533 with up to 2.28 volts and it would weave in and out of booting; it would work sometimes, sometimes it wouldn't. I know this RAM can go further than 500MHz with 2.2 volts even; I have it running at 500MHz 5-5-5-15 at 2.0v memtest/BioShock stable. :P
Reading back, I read that 2747 seems like a good choice for experimentation. I'm looking for good 24/7 clocks. My system right now:
E6600 333x9 1.35v
2:3 500MHz 5-5-5-15 2.0v
BIOS 2333 (basically everything in my profile)
Also another question. Anyone have problems running 4x1GB setups with quad core? Looking for very modest overclock, along the lines of 333x9 for Q6600 for a friend. Very workstation-y computer for him, and I want it to last so he gets all his friends to buy from me. :P
Bios 2747 is rock solid and is the current reference from 2333. If you have your Watchdog and C1E setting the way you want them then go for the update. 2785 is out now and I am going to try it tonight from 2777.Quote:
Originally Posted by TSFroggy
I will admit that 4 sticks can be a little tricky at times when Overclocking. A couple of times for me the motherboard wouldn't post after some more aggressive OC's, "in my case memory changes." After a lot of experimenting I figured out that the MB has problems letting go of reference frequency changes. When this happened I removed my sticks until it caught back up to the default ram settings. The fix for me was to remove 2 sticks, post and set to default. If that didn't work I brought it down to 1 stick and then posted, from there I just added sticks as I kept reposting sequentially, 1, 2, then 4.
http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=N&Inst=Yes&ProductID=2578&Dwn ldID=14267&strOSs=38&OSFullName=OS%20Independent&l ang=eng
New Fixes/Features:
Sorted the priority of microcodes to be fit into .ROM for
production line verification purpose.
Has anyone found out just exactly what the issue is with the 6850's???? Seems that they work fine in other 975x boards.....:rolleyes:
I can tell you my experience with 6850s on 2 different 975BX2 boards (one a 504 and the other a 507). When I tried bringing them up with 4 1GB sticks of SuperTalent DDR2 800 I got nothing. I was only able to get them to post with 2 sticks of Crucial DDR2 667's. 4 sticks were no go... fans would spin but no post or beeps. I could also get them to post with 2 sticks of the SuperTalent 800's if I forced the bios down to 667 with the Crutials ahead of time. Unfortunately this all took place before I saw this thread. Intel had the 6850's on the BX2 list when I ordered them so I just thought 6850s might be a bad batch and returned them for exchange. Hoping a bios update might fix this but I'm thinking of trying a couple of 2GB 667 sticks as a workaround soon as the replacements show up.
Currently doing Orthos on 3.6GHz with the following settings (30min no error atm):
Reference Frequency: 333MHz
Memory Frequency: 667MHz
Timings: 4-4-4-12-2T and 1:1
vCore: 1.575V -- What application do you guys use to measure vCore under load?
vDimm: 2.16V
vMCH: 1.650V
vFSB: 1.375V
I almost received instant error in Orthos with 1.550V -- How much voltage does other guys with the F-batch require?
I'm still wondering about the difference of using 333 ref 667 mem freq and 266 ref 533 mem freq, am I losing performance by using these options? I would be extremely happy if someone could explain this to me.
Any comment would be appreciated though, I'm quite new into overclocking.
The 333 ref is going to be slower than 266 ref...Quote:
Originally Posted by KMEI
I found the 333 ref just not very stable....
I would go to 266:533....also you need very good cooling going over 1.575v on the vcore
I set set vfsb to 1.4v and mch to 1.6v for testing....
I set to 9x 400 fsb with 266 ref and 533.....try to keep vcore at 1.5v or less you are under water...air cooling you are going to get alot of heat
also make in maintenance mode ..watchdog is off....
make sure powerslope is on..this lowers vdroop
I use a digital multimeter to measure vcore at idle and load....
Problem,
I wanted to CPU-Z Validate my OC which required me to upgrade from 1.40 ( I think ) to 1.41. Deleted old CPU-Z map and replaced with new.
Clicked the .exe ....... Computer completely froze, including mouse pointer.
tried to reboot, wouldn't boot anymore. I had to boot into Maintenace menu to discover that mem settings had been reset to SPD (4-4-4-12 1.82V DDR2-800)
This means that CPU-Z forced my computer to run 400 FSB 2:3 and unfortunately my memorys can't handle DDR2-1200 on 1.82V with those timings.
Anyone else having these problems? of course my theory could be wrong but... still the only thing that was touched in the maintenace menu.
vCore: 1.600V BIOS, 1.57V idle, 1.55 load
vFSB: 1.375V
vMCH: 1.600V
vDimm: 2.12V
dunno if I can go any higher, mem won't OC at all...
it doesn't even want to do 430MHz at 5-5-5-15 2.2V
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/3351/namnlskk7.png
ANOTHER NEW BIOS'
2792
Quite a list of fixes this time.
I have a question.
If i want to OC my Q6600 to Q6850 settings (333FSB 333RAM), will i have to do maintenance mode before any changes to bios or is it only when VCore is changed?
Thats all i wanna try. FSB:RAM is 1:1 atm (266FSB 266RAM)
In case you guys are having problems running CPU-Z 1.41 (to get validations or so) - editing the cpuz.ini to "Sensor=OFF" fixes this problem.
gunnz, it is only if you need to increase voltages yes :)
So i shouldn't buy E6850 because i would not work? I e-mailed intel but, no reply.
Will probably buy Q6600...
No reply to a email?? Now THAT is customer service.....:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by LaMpiR
http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/news/30...Quad-Core-CPUs
These guys are saying their test system using yorkfield/penryn was running on a bx2 board. How this is so I don't know? Bx2 is not supposed to support these cpus. I still don't even think we have determined even in this thread if the bx2 supports the E6x50 cpus yet alone the new 45nm chips. A lot of speculation but I haven't seen any definitive answers in this thread at all.