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Yep tried that by breaking the raid down and trying each drive one at a time by them selves in other words one hard drive period plugged in at a time and still the issue persisted. Asus recreated the issue with in minutes of them setting up a config like mine and yes the tech said he has another issue the same as mine now on his desk as well.. I just called in and he is supposed,,, to call me back any minute now.
This sucks! :shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by truehighroller
I almost feel your misery as if it's mine, in my system.
I'm going to give ASUS a call as you had suggested regarding the issue. This is not good at all - especially if their BIOS is actually affecting the CHIP itself in ways that it produces erratic system behavior (Like your Vista Booting / My Shutdown woes). Was not expecting this.
Edit: Post back if he has anything to say ..
Anybody having any issues with BSOD's with BIOS 1306 and Win XP? In particular the lovely IRQ not less than equal one. I've eliminated every other change I did on Monday but the BIOS upgrade (was still on 0506) On that note, anybody have or know where I can get 0506 to put it back on?
some of the later bios revisions partially fixed a few of the overvolting issues, so you may need to raise vdimm vfsb or vnb a notch or two to regain stability.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr_BenD_over
Has anyone else experienced cold-boot issues with this board? Often when I boot the PC after it's been off all night, the first attempt to boot Windows will end in a BSOD. It reboots and then boots as usual and will run completely stable there after.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jagt
You're lucky. With my 4 sticks of tracer 8500 in, I have to remove a stick to get it to start from cold. See my earlier post of a couple of days ago.
I have two of these boards, purchased within days of each other from the same local retailer. The first board has been flawless - Runs my Q9450 at 3.8 GHz without even trying.
The second board has been nothing but problems, even mild OC's resulting in a no-boot situation. I've had to clear the CMOS several times, whereas the first board always successfully reset itself. Now the 2nd board is stuck in a perpetual BIOS recovery cycle. On boot it declares the BIOS to be bad, recovers from the backup, and then restarts to repeat the cycle all over again. I have tried flashing to the latest BIOS (that my first board is running) to no avail, on the next boot everything is corrupted again & the cycle begins anew.
I've seen some mention on other forums of swapping the BIOS chips, is this my next step? Or should I just try for an exchange with the retailer?
Viper GTS
Yeah I read that. I'm using bios 0803 on a China board. I haven't bothered to try any of the other bioses though, as I heard there was nothing but trouble with them. I guess we'll just have to wait until Asus manages to release a proper bios...Quote:
Originally Posted by KelticDaz
Swap the whole board,Quote:
Originally Posted by Viper GTS
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr_BenD_over
I manually set every single voltage to the recommened setting, even ran stock:eek:, and it was still BSOD city. I've reverted back to 0803, problem solved. (That and turfing that POS Xfi Tit.Pro. :down:)Quote:
Originally Posted by ThugsRook
any ideas about my problem?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ender17
Just instaled my new p5q deluxe and booted it up. I really like the bios options. Im going to have some fun with this board. Which bios should I use with my e8400? Should I just flash to the most recent offical bios?
I just got 1403, it's worked wonders for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ
Linkage: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=3803
Thanks! Ill try it out. I cant wait to see what this board can do. That 550ghz fsb is impressive!
still 803 for me too with q9450
anything higher is loss of speed step then erratic :banana::banana::banana::banana:e then the inevitable bios recovery game
rock solid on 803 though @ 3.5 24/7 with speed step - happy with that and stopped doing bios updates
Reflash the bios via EZ flash with one dimm and no OC... then remove the CMos battery for 30 minutes or so, put itback in and hopefully all will be fine... had same issues on some other boards due to a bad flash...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ender17
Changelog?Quote:
Originally Posted by yaddam205
Umm... I think this should be ok for 24/7 http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/8...ns12631zo7.gif (P2P download)
bios v.1306
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/4...ns550x7kz1.png
My hunch was correct!!
When I got home & hit shut down, it did not shut down!! Same issue. The Operating System would shut down and conclude, leaving a black screen - but the PC wouldn't power off. I had to manually hold down the Power button to turn the system off. This was on BIOS 0803.
The only time my system completely shuts down is after the first Boot Up after a BIOS Flash (Clearing CMOS). Whether I'm on Stock (Defaults) or OC ... whether I'm on 0803 or 1403. It's the exact same behavior.
This leads me to believe, as far as I can establish at this point, my problem has nothing to do with truehighroller's bug ... nor does my problem seems to have anything to do with the BIOS. I'm getting identical results on 0803 & 1403.
I know for a fact that no hardware (or BIOS) changes were made to my system anywhere around when the Shut Down problem started - however - I keep updating software and installing newer applications. At this point I'm strongly believing that my Shut Down woes are a software complication. In most likelihood, I'm going to format my hard drive & reinstall Vista. I'm going to stay on 1403 for now and see how I make out with a fresh reinstall of Vista.
Question, how does a person know when they need to adjust the Cpu/NB skews? Or, does anyone change them and of course why? Just trying to confuse myself more before my next cup of coffee. :D
Larry
Quote:
Originally Posted by LUCI5R
I have had an interesting shutdown problem if you will since I got my board, unlike yours tho. Mine, when I get a hard lock when trying to reach a higher clock,etc..If I hit the power button and hold it in, the system will shut down, but pop right back up again, weird to say the least. I figured mine had something to do with PM, but I have no odd settings in there and windows is configured to shut down when the power button is depressed.. go figure.
Larry
I would like to know the default (stock Q6600g0) value for these settings, anyone?Quote:
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2):
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3):
CPU PLL Voltage:
FSB Termination Voltage:
NB Voltage:
NB GTL Reference:
SBridge Voltage:
PCIE SATA Voltage:
thanks! :)
so it seems 1403 is a very sollid release, any1 got a link for me? the asus ftp is down for me:(
THE ORIGINAL ONE
http://rapidshare.com/files/14743390...-1403.rar.html
THE MODDED ONE
http://www.zshare.net/download/1945373105e9ac01/
thnx man :up: , which 1 is better according to your findings?
The "MODDED" one?!?! Care to explain ...Quote:
Originally Posted by hema
for modded one information
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...200109&page=20
I really like the CPU GTL's options here. Looks like a good, worthwhile BIOS. I'm in the middle of some other issues right now - once I have them resolved - I'll give the modded BIOS a shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by hema
Thanks. Also to KET, Original Developer.
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2): 0.67xQuote:
Originally Posted by PiolhoSM
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3): 0.67x
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.5v
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.2v
NB Voltage: not cpu dependent start with 1.20v, may need up to 1.34v
NB GTL Reference: not cpu dependent leave on auto
SBridge Voltage: not cpu dependent leave on auto
PCIE SATA Voltage: not cpu dependent leave on auto
thank you CryptiK.
I will buy a new PSU this week to play with my Q6600 g0, P5Q Deluxe, Gskil 2x2GB 8000 Pi and PC4870 PCs+!
soon, i will post here some fresh results.:D
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2): 0.67x
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3): 0.67x
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.5v
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.2v
NB Voltage: starts at 1.10v. not cpu dependent start with 1.20v, may need up to 1.34v
NB GTL Reference: 0.63x in the specs, 0.65x in my MB with my configuration
SBridge Voltage: not cpu dependent leave on auto
PCIE SATA Voltage: not cpu dependent leave on auto
Once you have and stable configuration, try to find yourself your optimal GTL values. It's easy, move it slowly up and down until you get an error in a fixed time (aprox. 5min), and then set your GTL with the mean between errors...
Regards.
Im just overclocking this board now. Bios 1403. Likeing it alot so far. I just have a few questions. Im trying for atleast a 450-500fsb. What should I set the NBv at on this board? My other question is. I have 4 disks in raid0, what should I set the SBv at? Thanks in advance.
Edit: Also, what is the memory remap feature?
I read, on my P5Q Deluxe bios, 0.63x for first CPU GTL Voltage Reference, and 0.67 for second CPU GTL Voltage Reference.Quote:
Originally Posted by CryptiK
What's wrong?
:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Huexxx
Very tough... I thought this value got just up (like others voltage) :shrug:
Same here for the cpu settings :up: . If you use Kets Modded BIOS version of the 1403 I leaked, out for everyone you will see your latencies drop with the pull ins enabled "I noticed this with the Modded 0803 he put out for me so, maybe this is right still?". The pull ins drop your PL a little like .5 so if youre are on 8 like I am, it will be like being at 7.5 instead. Also no problem :up: .Quote:
Originally Posted by LUCI5R
It's hardware power saver (molt 6x on idle, 9x on load)Quote:
C1E Suppport DISABLED
Only for old os, default disabledQuote:
Max CPUID Value Limit DISABLED
If you want use VMware or other virtual software.Quote:
Intel® Virtualization Tech DISABLED
I think is the same hardware energy saver, controlled by OSQuote:
Vanderpool Technology DISABLED
Thermal throttling protection: why disable it!?Quote:
CPU TM Function DISABLED
Error protection?Quote:
Execute Disable Bit DISABLED
Should I set the Nb gtl refrence to 0.67? What is the cpu pll voltage?
Ok, this is embarrassing but hopefully it will save someone else. When you clear CMOS don't do what I did: Dropped the jumper and couldn't find it, went to get a new one, didn't pay attention and put it on the bottom right fan header. If only I had noticed it before i turned the power on... POOF! :D
Fortunately everything seems fine and no apparent damage except for a burnt fan header MOSFET and possibly no working fan headers. Good thing I use a Sunbeam fan controller :up: Should I be worried that something else might have taken a hit?
Anyway... :rolleyes: the reason I cleared CMOS was because my system won't post on reboot after installing 4x2GB G.Skill PC8800. It gives the "Overclocking failed" message even at stock settings but boots fine after entering BIOS. Any ideas on why this is?
So looked at this mobos manual can't see it. Is there a CMOS Reset button or do you have to clear your BIOS with the jumpers?
See if one stick will boot, and change the bios.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skauneboy
I really want to figure out the limits of my particular boards' FSB and My memory modules, I've never done this before, I've usually just been content with a mild OC not having been very lucky with my processors. I think I have a winner this time around and I'd like to find my limits. I could really use some real world tips such as which multiplier and memory timings you use and some base voltages. If I understand the theory is to isolate the particular component/system that your pushing while keeping the other component/systems intentionally low. If you any tips for me I'd sure appreciate it.
Also is the FSB strap the only way I have on this motherboard of changing the FSB/Dram Ratio? If I remember I have 200,266,333 and 400 as options. If for example I wish to run @ 4Ghz 400FSB x10 and keep a 1:1 ratio @ 800MHZ I would use a 400 strap? and is I wisg to run my ram @ the rated 1000mhz which strap could I use for a 1:1. Ty
I'm not sure if I'm losing it or not but didn't Asus PC Probe II used to show NB voltage? And I thought hardware monitor in the bios showed it too??
I need to see what Auto sets my NB voltage to but the bios and PC Probe II don't show NB??
Not on the P5Q-Deluxe, there is only System & CPU temp in bios and asus probe.
Ahhh :(
I've read 3 reviews of this board today with the E8600 chip saying how they instantly got it stable with all settings at "Auto" @ 500fsb - 1:1. I don't think I'm going to get anything of the sort here. I've tried most settings here within this thread and pushed NB and other voltages far past what I'd be happy with. The longest I can blend in prime at 500 is with all settings at "Auto" for 2 mins 44 secs :(.
Leave the strap at Auto and set 400FSB and 1002mhz ram speed... nothing nothing less to it... 1:1 is less performant than a divider unless you are going high 500+FSBQuote:
Originally Posted by Vektor67
this should be quite okay as a starting point... however fine tuning is up to youPHP Code:ASUS P5Q DLX Template :
JumperFree Configuration Settings
AI Overclock tuner: MANUAL
CPU Ratio Setting: 10
FSB Strap to North Bridge: AUTO
FSB Frequency: 400
PCI-E Frequency: 101
DRAM Frequency: 1002
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: AUTO
DRAM Timing Control: AUTO
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
DRAM Read Training: AUTO
MEM. OC Charger: AUTO
AI Clock Twister: AUTO
AI Transaction Booster: AUTO
CPU Voltage: 1.35
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2): AUTO
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3): AUTO
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.54
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.22
DRAM Voltage: 2.0
NB Voltage: 1.22
NB GTL Reference: AUTO
SBridge Voltage: AUTO
PCIE SATA Voltage: AUTO
Load Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
CPU Clock Skew : AUTO
NB Clock Skew : AUTO
Advance CPU Settings
CPU Ratio Setting: Manual
CPU VID: Default
C1E Suppport: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel® Virtualization Tech: Disabled
Vanderpool Technology: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled
Bios nor probe ever shown it ... think you got some boards mixed upQuote:
Originally Posted by mjh74
Some chips are better than others. Like me you may have gotten a bad batch. I have an e8400. The VID is 1.2250! On a 45nm chip. It also needs a high vtt for stability. I find it relly hard to get this chip stable at anything much higher than a 425fsbx9. Im sure that I can go to atleast 450 on the fsb but getting it stable isnt easy. I am having much better results than my last board at least. Does anyone have any tips on how I could run my ram at 1066, 4,4,4,12? Icant even get it to post at 4,4,4,12. It seems stable at 5,5,5,15 with 2.1v on the dimms and the NBv at auto, it passes 10 runs of Linpack.I still need to play around with the NBv. Im not very familliar with memory overclocking. At what voltage should I start to get nervous feeding my ram?Quote:
Originally Posted by mjh74
I was really lucky with my last board (Asus Commando + E6600), got some really good overclocks that were rock solid with Crucial Ballistix PC6400 @ 525 fsb 1:1! Ho hum, time to work on getting the best I can out of this then! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ
Forget about running 2gb stick at 1066Mhz at Cas4...
And NB at auto is a sign you didn't do ya homework before clocking this board... 1.26NB voltage is more than sufficient for 500FSB/1000mhz ops...secondly most of these board overvolts the ram with 0.08, so you are feeding ya reapers with 2.2volts which is not required at all, put in Trfc 55 and try to run static read control enabled... then try to mess with the PL's...
Not a problem, but....I've noticed when I reboot this board, I hear a very distinct power drop (doesn't cut off completely, I don't think), but the fans rpm drops off or a split second...is this normal for this board?
I get that too. Power on, everything spins up for a second, powers down, and then spins back up. All within 2.5-3 seconds.Quote:
Originally Posted by platojones
You are the man! Thanks for the advice. Static read control enabled causes my my board to fail to post and when I reboot I get a failed overclock message, so thats a no go. I haven't tried it yet on this board but I got better performance with the memory on my 780i at 850mhz 4-4-4-12 than I am getting now with 1066mhz at 5-5-5-15. I could aslo pull off a 1t command rate. Playing with the pls can help me out a little. http://i308.photobucket.com/albums/k.../Overclock.jpg http://i308.photobucket.com/albums/k...5-5-15auto.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
I get that,too. Which bios are you using?Quote:
Originally Posted by Singh400
Same here, with BIOS 1403. That and also no post on reboot which is EXTREMELY annoying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Singh400
I am using 1403 too. It usually only seems to happen when I change some settings in bios and the system reboots, but afterwards it does seem to post for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skauneboy
thats normal for a cold boot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Singh400
also does that after changing certain bios settings, saving and exiting.
Right...I was talking about a normal reboot...and the power doesn't cut off (or if it does, it's so quick I don't notice it), it just drops off for about .5 sec or so...more like a droop in power.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThugsRook
if it does it during a normal windows reboot chances are youll be faced with "Overclocking settings failed!" press F1.Quote:
Originally Posted by platojones
i think the board needs to shut down in order to change certain settings, as seen when exiting bios.
during cold boot it probrobly boots a default "safe mode" first, to verify it can, then quickly shutsdown and loads your custom settings. or something to that effect.
:)
Yeah, it's not the cold boot/overclock failed thing. I'm not even touching the bios at this time...just rebooting to go from linux to windows or vice versa. Just a momentary power drop off...it always comes right back...but it may be that it's just on the verge of the failed overclock bios reset. I had that happen once after priming for 24 hours (which passed with flying colors, after 20 cycles of IBT)...reboot, then I got power-off overclock failure, lost bios settings (which I just restored from the OC profile, but still....)...so I don't know if this means I'm teetering on the edge or not :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ThugsRook
BIOS 0803Quote:
Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ
Hmmmm, I get POST everytime.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skauneboy
I wouldn't say that was normal for a cold boot. I've used loads of PCs before, and this is the only time I've known that a PC spins up, drops and then spins back up again. I wouldn't call it a major issue atm, just a minor annoyance. As every time it drops, I think "oh crap".Quote:
Originally Posted by ThugsRook
I must point out, it only happens when I'm starting the machine for the first time (doesn't happen during reboots).
Yeah it also does that, when I change BIOS settings, and F10 and exit.
Interesting...I'm using 1201 bios...but, it happens during every reboot. I don't notice anything like it during power up. But when you say 'drops' do you get a distinct power-off event (i.e., power light goes out momentarily) or just a dip in power level? The later is what I am seeing. It sounds like you may be describing a different phenomena than I am experiencing (except for the fact that what I observed happens on every reboot).Quote:
Originally Posted by Singh400
What you guys are getting from a Cold Boot, ie; Power has been off from the board, is normal. The Board is resetting the registers for the OC when it does this. All my previous 775 boards did this as well.
As to the Reboot with it shutting down/back up etc, This is not normal. My guess would be not enuff NB voltage, but not knowing the system it is plainly that, "just a guess". I would be pretty annoyed if this persisted tho and probably would RMA the board.. but then thats just me...
Larry
Wow, I think I am experiencing something unusual then. Mine isn't shutting off, the power just fluctuates down for a split second...just long enough for me to notice it during reboots...nobody else seeing this? On power up, I get no fluctuation (or power off) of any kind...comes straight up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Lar
Hi, can you guys help me? I have a p5q deluxe, and I am having trouble getting it to 400fsb, while my p5k runs 500fsb without a hitch... I really dont know where to begin with voltages, so ive been kind of poking at it, but seeing a working example would really help.
Here is some more info, sorry for the double post. I have 2x1gb Crucial Tracer DDR2-800, which have been running in my amd rig at 500mhz at 5-5-5-18/2.2v for a few months now without a hitch, and I have never bothered to tweak the timings lower. My psu is a OCZ Stealth 600w. My CPU is a X6800 ES, Stepping 6, B2 which has been known to do 4ghz on other mobos. Here is my setup:
Thats my stock setup. If I try to do 400x7 with memory at 800, it never works at stock voltages. I've tried bumping up the voltages for the nb/sb little by little, but that never helped and I didn't want to go too high. Any help? A filled out template for me to try would be great... *hint hint*. Oh, and the default values for the voltages are not the "auto" setting, they are just the default voltage that I could not remember off the top of my head.Code:ASUS P5Q DLX Template :
JumperFree Configuration Settings
AI Overclock tuner: MANUAL
CPU Ratio Setting: 11
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 266
FSB Frequency: 266
PCI-E Frequency: 10
DRAM Frequency: 800
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: AUTO
DRAM Timing Control: AUTO
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
DRAM Read Training: Disabled
MEM. OC Charger: Enabled
AI Clock Twister: Moderate
AI Transaction Booster: Enabled, at 8 (default)
CPU Voltage: 1.325
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2): .67x
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3): .67x
CPU PLL Voltage: Default
FSB Termination Voltage: Default
DRAM Voltage: 2.2v
NB Voltage: Default
NB GTL Reference: .63x
SBridge Voltage: 1.1v
PCIE SATA Voltage:1.5v
Load Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
CPU Clock Skew : Normal
NB Clock Skew : Normal
Advance CPU Settings
CPU Ratio Setting: Manual
CPU VID: Default
C1E Suppport: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel® Virtualization Tech: Disabled
Vanderpool Technology: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Enabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled
What bios are you using, this board gets day and night results depending on the bios. Also, tweaking PLL, Term, and NB would be good start.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kain665
Ok...I've got some more data now. What I was seeing was what I thought it was...a bios on the edge of a cold boot reset. I happened after about a dozen reboots...it finally cold booted then hung and I got a failed overclock. Interesting thing I discovered was that it wasn't a function of my NB volts...those are low for my overclock, but raising them had no effect. It was my DIMM volts. As I bumped them up...the the cold-boot went away. Then I bumped the vDIMM higher and the 'power dip' became much less pronounced. I hit the max vDIMM for my memory at 2.02v (factoring in the .08 overvolts of this MB) which is reality was 2.1v...the max volts for my memory. The reboot power-dip is still there, but much less pronounced than before....so, how to interpret this? First, a power fade on reboot means you are really close to a cold reboot bios reset condition. Your memory (or some other part) is just on the edge of losing it's stable bios settings. Second, my memory system is barely keeping up....I know my kit isn't OVL certified (though it's more overclocked cousins are)...but I am also very close to the rated specs for this memory (1006 vs 1000). So, I may have a marginal memory kit...time to RMA I think....the memory, that is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Lar
Here are a couple of videos that show my issue that I have uploaded to Youtube so Asus can see the issue for them selves easily.
Video#1 = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27uHHbx1Jk0
Video#2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVDBZWfmz4o
Enjoy, :up:
@ platojones - I had exactly the same thing occurring with my P5Q-Deluxe. It was like a fast pulse of low power, fans would drop rpm slightly, it would happen and return to normal in about half a second. It seemed to be a 'feature' of my board, as I tried bumping up voltages thinking it was almost failing POST (although it was totally stable using Orthos, Linpack, memtest and gaming), but it did not alleviate the issue. I think yours may have been more pronounced, and by upping the vdimm you got it to where mine was; slightly present.
The thing is, my Maximus II Formula does not do it, even when using less vdimm that I was on the deluxe, and the same vcore, vFSB, vNB and vSB.
What vFSB & vNB are you using on your board?
One thing you could try - raise the vFSB a little. Try to keep the maximum vdiff between the vFSB and vNB less than 0.12v, such that the vNB is no more than 0.12v higher than your vFSB.
truehighroller You should quit smoking.
Anyways I'm not a pro on Raid never used it don't plan on it but. I have had screwy BIOS issues happen. I know working your way down with Clearing CMOS/making new flash drive ect ect.
What sort of Raid bios setting do you have in there? Also do you have any problems with just 1 HD loading vista with either of these BIOS?
Quote:
C1E Suppport DISABLED
It's hardware power saver (molt 6x on idle, 9x on load)
CPU TM Function DISABLED
Thermal throttling protection: why disable it!?
Adjusted my settings to have both these enabled, thanks
Running Crysis (just got it) like butter here, minimum low 30s using fraps
:up:
(I'm not going to try any new bios as 803 working)
Thanks CryptiK...yes, what you described is exactly the symptom I have. I've got vNB at 1.24v and vFSB set at 1.14...but I haven't touched vFSB at all thinking I had it maxed. Read the intel spec sheet again, though, and it says you can go to 1.26v on vFSB...so I can try bumping that and see if that helps...but, yes, that power drop always give me the feeling it's going to fail post...and then it does sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by CryptiK
Whats the maximum safe votage for the northbridge on this board. i need about 1.34-1.36 to get syable at 470fsb but need to know if thats safe?
Which intel spec sheet did you read the 1.26v max vFSB in? I'd like to read it. Mine although it always did it, never actually failed POST but every time it did it my heart would skip a beat, especially when going for high clocks on the cpu or ram.Quote:
Originally Posted by platojones
Yeah it should be fine at that voltage. The NB cooling is good for a passive heatpipe setup, and on my Maximus II Formula which is very similar, it doesn't get over 52*C NB temp when I've been benching at 1.4 vNB in 23*C ambients.Quote:
Originally Posted by cliffy
Yep I have broke the raid down and the issue still persist with only one drive in it and I have tried each drive, by it self. I know I need to quit I have been making an effort to quit lately. It's not easy after ten or more years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glow9
Here is Video #3 = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fR5HcbHZTY
Last video is on it's way and shows me going right back to 0803 and right into Vista..
Here's the spec sheet for the Q9000 series cpus:Quote:
Originally Posted by CryptiK
http://download.intel.com/design/pro...hts/318726.pdf
It's table 2-3, DC Voltage and current specifications, 1.26 for the 4 series chipset family.
This board is confusing the hell out of me.... :confused:
I struggled to get anything over 480fsb until reading back a load more pages of this thread. I tried 500fsb with the following settings below for a quick "dirty" overclock and within 2 minutes prime blend fails. I then read a post of CryptiK's about 499fsb being stable, I left all settings below the same but notched down from 500 to 499 and I've been nearly 2 hours blend stable and am playing World of Warcraft at the same time. Also, I'm suprised that I can't bring DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge down to 15 without instability.
ASUS P5Q DLX Template :
JumperFree Configuration Settings
AI Overclock tuner: Manual
CPU Ratio Setting: 8
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333
FSB Frequency: 500
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: 1000
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: AUTO
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
1st Information :
CAS# Latency: 5
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 18 <fails if 15>
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 5
Row Refresh Cycle Time: 55
Write Recovery Time: Auto
Read to Precharge Time: Auto
DRAM Static Read Control: disabled
DRAM Read Training: Auto
MEM. OC Charger: Enabled
AI Clock Twister: Auto
AI Transaction Booster: Auto
CPU Voltage: 1.425
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2): AUTO
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3): AUTO
CPU PLL Voltage: Auto
FSB Termination Voltage: Auto
DRAM Voltage: 2.00
NB Voltage: Auto
NB GTL Reference: Auto
SBridge Voltage: Auto
PCIE SATA Voltage: Auto
Load Line Calibration: Disabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
CPU Clock Skew : AUTO
NB Clock Skew : AUTO
Advance CPU Settings
ALL disabled
the BIOS 1402 is very good.
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/6233/23718wa3.jpg
Oh my LIFE your vcore! :shocked:
Yah that is a little un called for. I would turn that down, way down. 1.35v maybe 1.36..
true ...
did you ever hear back from your friend at ASUS regarding the BIOS?
It appears that I've run into similar problems as yours. Earlier it was just the Shut Down issue, but now if I boot into Vista with any BIOS > 0803, I get BSOD shortly after. Only with BIOS 0803 is my system running stable & without issues. The BSOD's and reboots and freezes knocked out my system so bad that I'm having to format my drive & reinstall Vista later today.
I'm stuck on 0803 now (Won't even try going into anything higher), until they can issue a better BIOS for us Q9450 owners.
No but, I sent him an email with all those videos links so, I am sure I will hear from him today. I have told him there are people with my issue besides me so.,..
Thanks for that. I wonder if the same applies to the e8000 series dual core processors on the P45 chipset? I also wonder that if it only applies to the quads, why that would be, and if that means that the Vtt circuitry of the quads are more robust than the dual cores?Quote:
Originally Posted by platojones
**EDIT - I just DL'd the latest version of the e8000 data sheet, and it also now says 1.2v standard, 1.14v min and 1.26v max for Vtt. I wonder why it's different for the 4 series chipsets? Well at least I now know up to 1.26v is safe, I was using 1.25v sometimes during benches and was slightly concerned I was over the max. Good news indeed.
It is quite concerning that it was initially fine for a period of time, then there was a non shutdown issue, then finally complete instability. I would be quite concerned that the cpu was damaged, as nothing else really explains the rapid degradation to complete instability.Quote:
Originally Posted by LUCI5R
I would have thought Asus would have tested all processors with their bioses, and it is disappointing this situation has arisen. If the cpu is damaged, along with truehighroller's and no doubt countless others globally, Asus will have a lot to answer for, and they should be replacing all affected cpu's immediately, along with immediately removing that option from the BIOS and any future BIOS releases.
I hear you.Quote:
Originally Posted by CryptiK
At this point I'm terribly annoyed with ASUS. If indeed their BIOS is 'damaging' the chip permanently in any way, that's unacceptable. For the longest time, I hesitated to believe that my sudden 'Shutdown' issue had anything to do with truehighroller's extreme 'No-Boot-Into-Vista' issue ... but over the weekend experiencing something drastically similar, and the fact that in BIOS 0803 everything works as it should, pretty much confirms I'm suffering with a degredation of my Q9450 as is truehighroller.
This is so totally unacceptable.
There is a very big difference between the BIOS not working out for you and the BIOS Damaging your chip. I don't think they can get away with this.
Right now I'm hoping truehighroller's friend gets back to him at some point about this and hopefully there is a fix.
I haven't checked this thread since page 23 or so and I have yet to update my bios from what the board came with. After reading your post though, apparently something has happened in the 120 pages of this thread since then which worries me from upgrading anytime soon - considering I am running a Q9450 in it as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by LUCI5R
what did I miss here?! the bios is damaging the chip???
Is everyone else having xtreme latency issues with the xtreme site like me? Back on subject, yes I want them to replace my shiznit.. That is what mine did it was a little testy then pow, it wouldn't work any more with over 0803. It has to do with whatever that setting controlls..
Yeah it's been Xtremely slow for about 24 hours now. Actually for the last 5 mins its been fine. Before that I had enough time to make a coffee and drink it while I waited for a thread to open.
I would definitely be onto Asus to replace the cpu's guys, that's appalling. I hope you find a resolution.
I'm going to be giving ASUS a call, believe me - and they won't get away that easily with Damaging my chip with their BIOS. I don't think technically I can fight on BIOS 1403 because it's not an official BIOS release. However, I can fight on 1306 which is an Official Release and gives same results as any other > 0803 BIOS. If my chip is damaged, I'm going after them. This is bull.
OT: Yes, the site has had major lags. I gave up ample times. Seems to be running fine now. Typical DDOS behavior IMHO, scary.
I have a questions regarding the P5Q-E that I would like to ask.
Does this board need more Vcore than other boards? On my simple DS3R I needed only 1.40v real for 3.7Ghz and now I need 1.43v or more. Am I missing something with GTL tweaking perhaps? I noticed little to no effect on stability from tweaking various motherboard voltages, and set them to deafult values. CPU is a Q6600.
Has any of the degrading Q9450 users tested the cpu on another board ? ever thought of an issue with the mobo due to eg an updated firmware of some sort, leading to an unrecoverable incompatability with the OC required... we experienced similar behaviour on the 680i platform where one bios update too much ruined 65nm quad performance from anice OC to zilch... I hardly suspect CPU damage yet more incompatability related... and if the cpu runs at stock hardly anything you can do...
Question for you guys.
My Q9450 is under Manufacturer's Warranty by Intel.
If I did want to get it replaced by Intel, does anybody here know what's the process? I have never dealt with Intel. And Newegg only gives 30 day warranty on CPU's.
Also - would this be worthwhile? I have no clue how's Intel's warranty.
Thanks!
1.6v is massive overkill, but no need to turn it right down to 1.36v. Considering vdroop\drop, up to 1.42v is ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by truehighroller
Good point, I was thinking that if the cpu's run exactly as they should using BIOS 803, then they should not be damaged.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
However the fact that they ran fine on BIOS version >803 for a period of time, then strange behaviour began, then worsened to the point where stability even at stock clocks was unachievable, is concerning.
Sure an incompatibility issue from directly after a BIOS flash can happen, but being fine initially then gradually getting worse and worse is odd.
does this seem to be "CPU Margin Enhancement" related?
Yes! Like Totally.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThugsRook
which setting allegedly kills the cpu?Quote:
Originally Posted by LUCI5R
Another myth ? Don't jump too rapidly on the bandwagon.... Like I stated has True or Lucifer had the chance to test the CPU on another board ? are they sure there board is not the culprit instead of a "damaged" CPU... Does the CPU still run at stock speeds Lucifer ? what reason are you gonna RMA it with ? I can't OC it anymore ?
Test more on another platform before launching something that will get totally out of proportion...
Sorry I have to react as sceptical... there's an issue with the 9450 series for sure... but has the board damaged ya CPU ? Ya OC ? or is just an irreversible bios flash that cannot be corrected unless you RMA the board...
OC is not even in the picture here. This is all on Stock. The CPU will NOT run on Stock on any BIOS > 0803. Only on 0803 is the CPU functional and I can boot into Vista.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
If the CPU won't run Stock on an Official BIOS release greater then 0803, then yes, I definately have something to butt heads against with ASUS. With Intel, I'm not sure.
I don't have any concrete proof the CPU is damaged - I don't have another board to test it in. The basics I have right now is that my CPU will NOT FUNCTION with the "CPU Margin Enhancement" setting available in the BIOS - regardless of what value you give that setting. That, in my opinion, is unacceptable - as that Setting is available in all current, post 0803 BIOS releases by ASUS.
The valid argument here is: You are releasing & providing a BIOS that is crippling function of my CPU. Has it damaged my CPU permanently, I don't know! You need to prove it by providing me with a functional, current release BIOS that works with my CPU.
I have eliminated the rma board part and the BIOS chips I have replaced as well... It will not go into windows at all without an overclock or with check out my videos to see exactly what happens here Leo.. I posted them for an easy look at what happens for the sceptical.
I must also stress... The Slow Degradation is deeply concerning. It would be quite a different story if there was a direct conflict of CPU Margin Enhancement with Q9450 and as soon as you flashed the BIOS, Boom! No Go!! However - the slow degradation points to some kind of chip damage. Again - no solid proof, but it's a reasonable theory.Quote:
Originally Posted by LUCI5R
And the numbers are growing. True was one of the few here - then I came into picture - and True knows some other people. All having different symptoms, different timelines, but all ending in the same conclusion - problems getting into Vista with any BIOS > 0803.
I just talked to my contacts boss as he was at lunch so, the plot thickens. I sent him the links to my youtube videos so he can look the issue in the face. I told him I think it has damaged my chip and would just like some sort of answer here as to what the next step is "nicely of course".
Shortly after I upgraded from 0803 to 1201, 39 hours into a Prime 95 Large FFT's all 4 cores failed within less than half an hour of each other. I was floored because I didn't change anything and while my temperature fluxuates in my home, it was pretty cool right when they failed.Quote:
Originally Posted by LUCI5R
I was about to jump on the whole "CPU Margin enchancement" thing but I learned that one of my sticks of RAM had gone bad. I couldn't run at stock with that one particular stick in the same slot as the other stick was working just fine in.
Long story short, have you tested your RAM to know it's OK? Who knows, maybe the board fried the RAM, I'm really, really surprised my RAM went bad. I've never had a stick go bad like that in 15 years of building my own computers and selling custom built PC's to others.