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Geez CD, you still sore over that? I'd thought we had moved on and gotten sort of friendly since then? :shrug: I still maintain what I said in post #19 of that topic, there was no intended malice on my part, I'm sorry you perceived it that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by CyberDruid
That is a variation of the line from Billy Madison. It's the part when the moderator abuses Adam Sandler after he tries to BS his way through a question. Just thought I would point that out for all your trivia fans.Quote:
initialised, What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points and may what ever God you pray to have mercy on your soul.
And now more importantly, I implore everyone to remember that it can always be worse, this forum could be like EOCF. Now there is a true collection of @#$%&bags amongst poor innocent kids trying to learn something and instead having nearly every member who has 1000+ posts taking turns verbally trampling them. At least on this site, three-quarters, if not more of the senior members are very friendly and helpful. At the end of the day, I have 2 watercooled computers that run perfectly and there will be more in the future, all thanks to this forum.
We get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by RealRedRaider
I have mentioned my issues on another thread about thread destroyers who enlighten the newer members on how their thread will not work or is not useful. I thought it was pretty sad especially when they were trying to involve themselves just to get hassled. There is a lot of very bad ego pillaging in these WC forums and it does get tiring. I would also like to make a suggestion about the "Water Cooled Case Gallery". Can't we just make it pics only and comments can be reserved for PM's. I hate scrolling through so many posts that have no real content for the thread other then praise for some people rigs which is not a bad thing but I go to that thread to see the rigs, not the endless posts of ego nurturing that I think is enabling the bad behavior here.
I am here to learn and perhaps to help out the odd fellow if I happen to know something or can give some ideas. It is hard to be Xtreme when you have to fight through so many ego's on here because you have to sift through what is useful and what is just banter, praise, fights, bull headedness, experienced WC God's who kill any thread they see fit, Fanboism FTW comments etc. Needless to say I do a lot of scrolling without even reading and that just sucks because I may scroll over something that was important and should have been read. I feel for the new users the most who come in here thinking this is all handled professionally with the experienced users. Sadly this is not the case and new members opinions, ideas and perceptions have to be thrown in the garbage because they 'have' to adapt to the thinking, perceptions of the experienced and also have to buy their gear and be emulated to be accepted as a genuine Xtreme WC'er. You nailed it on the head Movieman when you said ego's need to be checked at the door.
Also for the love of God, can't we just shoot posters who use FTW comments? If my math is correct they are wearing down my scroll wheel needlessly an extra 15% per year in these forums. :slash:
^^^ hahah.
Great Post Dave. I must say I'm smiling broadly at this thread. You guys are great. :up:
Wow!
I go away for one weekend and look what i missed.:eek:
I feel like the kid at school who had a day off and missed the once-in-a year brawl in the canteen! :rofl:
I agree with MovieMan, things had gotten to the point where something needed to be done.
I hope we all take a step back and think about why we're here and how we treat each other.
Long live XS, the best and most proffessional forum in the whole wide world! :D
Good morning to all members that have choosen to wake up and am happy the Modds are stepping in. I prefer keeping my mouth shut than than dishing out wrong infos to someone that really needs help. We are like a family and babies get born everyday. Why should most of the old members kill off the new babies, by giving them wrong infos and he ends up wasting his money. I joined XS to learn how to watercool my rig. Most blocks i bought where painted black (NB&SB blocks), i still have them in my loop and wounīt be changing them, as they get the job done. There are people that can upgrade or downgrade because they have the money or got these parts for free. Please before you start posting figures make sure your new toy has been in service for at least 3 months. Their are people out there that will buy it due to the infos you left behind and after some weeks, they end up rust, leaks, failure etc. Thou shall not mix metal (alu) but if nickel plated and it comes from this company, itīs ok (Koolat). Oh guys my temps are high, what should i do? Change your pump(got the pump changed and my temp got pretty bad) actually happened to me. Well we learn from our mistakes and we should learn to respect everyone view or ideas. No one is all knowing, even if you have been watercooling for 50 years.
Good move Dave, I'm also getting sick of useless shills posting crap and having people dissing parts because it's not Xtreme... As may people said, not everyone have money growing on trees so try to make a recommendation within a reasonable frame set by the OP. Also, I rarely recommend anything I didn't experiment myself unless that part got lots of positive experience and recommendations from the experts.
However, we should also know that everyone is entitled to their own opinion but attacking is frowned up. If you have a problem with a opinion, either ignore it or counter it with valid facts, not bashing.
I'm a newcomer so I was never a member when Cathar, Maxx and others were regulars here. Though from the posts I read I agree we lost knowledable people, I don't feel like the 'new' LQ forums are as bad as the original PM writer made it out to be. Yes its a little annoying when people are recommending products they haven't even used themselves in a running loop yet, but its still somebodies 'opinion' that is being posted here. Take it as that and not so personal.
As for why people are so against aluminum and koolance, I mean really, we're XTREME systems. Why should we tolerate crap components that are shown time and time and time again to cause corrosion and problems? Seen Naekuh's picture of koolance caps?
Yes aluminum can be 'controlled' if such and such a substance is purchased, but why go through all that hassle when that substance will cause OTHER problems (clouding, clogging, 'strange deposits'). IF distilled water is the ultimate best, why should XS not recommend it? If distilled+nuke is the next best, why should we not recommend it?
If you want to buy crap like koolance and want to mix aluminum and copper, and want to use dies and nuke together and mix pentosin and shake and bake and all this other crap, just go ahead and do it and deal with the issues. If you come here to ask for opinions of some 'experts' (I am not calling myself one btw, just listing others like Naekuh, Martin, Andy, IanY, iandh, etc.) then send them a PM directly. They'll either answer you or won't. If you want an opinion of the community, start a thread. But then if people make fun of you for wanting to use a stupid combo stuff, take it in stride that your idea was a bad one, be glad that you found out before you tried it yourself and spend money, and learn about what people are saying in the thread.
A single post saying "EK FTW" is hardly enough to cry about.
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Originally Posted by Bojamijams
Its extremely flattering, but please don't list me in that crowd. I have too much respect for the compatriots to taint their individual and collective reputations lol :rofl:
All PMs always answered here. There are no dumb questions. All are good questions. :up: Opinions handed out, whether solicited or not :ROTF:
EXACTLY!:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Xilikon
I don't comment on every post I see even though my post count may look like I do.:D
many times I see someone headed the wrong direction and just send them a PM of "hey, saw your post, you might want to try this."
So many ways here to communicate and be helpful IF you want to.
If you see a troll, report the post and let us deal with him, don't get into a back and forth as thats what trolls want. They get off on busting your balls and the best way to deal with them is to ignore them.
THAT busts their balls bigtime and frustrates them.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that this section and all of Xs should be and can be a place to come and learn with friends.
I'm just like you guys, I come here, I look at the builds and stare in wonder at the skills of people like Cyberdruid and many others.
I look at DarthBeavis creations and just shake my head at the skill and time involved
I read Martin's tests and mentally thank him for the work he's done.
I waited and watched Mcoffey's test on the ST GTZ just like you guys did.
I learn from Niksub's comments and add it all up.
The water cooling section isn't just one or two people, it is the combined knowledge that makes it and the people involved.
Yes, we miss people like Marci,Cathar and Maxxracer but people do change jobs and also their lives change.
I talked to Maxx last night. His life has changed and I think it's of a cute female persuation that's mostly to blame.:rofl:
I'm happy for him and I'm sure at some point he'll be back.
The whole thing is to step back and use this area for what it's intended to be.
A place to show your work, ask questions and also to answer questions for others.
The n00b guy here today will be the old pro next year answering the questions then BUT only if that new guy is made to feel welcome.
I think back on my first post in this section asking questions and the good help I received. I met some great people here in Cyberdruid,Sigfever,123bob and I've lately come to know mcoffey. Very good guy and we're lucky to have him here. There are more and I'm sure I'll get to know them over time but the key is your attitude when you come here.
Extend a hand of friendship and generally you get one back.
Think on this and if you incorporate this thinking into your actions here your experience will be much better.
Bojamijams, The point which has been made earlier in the thread that people need to put themselves in the other person's shoes. People who have the lower performing parts may not have ready cash available to spend on more parts, so it's not a matter of "tolerating" these parts but helping a fellow WC'ing enthusiast with getting the most they can with in their means.
Yes, we all started as noobs, me included. I do remember my first time here in july 2007 asking questions and trying to find answers. Now that I experienced WC and modding (3 loops across 2 computers under my belt now), I'm ready to help the next guy to setup a loop based on his needs.
Also, there's something we should keep in mind : Someone's else build is not yours so don't use it as a extension of your own e-peen. Need to have somethings you are proud to show off ? Build it yourself or STFU.
fart_plume : I do agree with you that if someone already have the components (either a hands-me-down or bought very cheap), we should help take the best of what he got. However, if the user didn't have those parts and entertain the idea of picking some components we know is bad, it's our duty to steer him from buying this and offer better alternatives.
People may use the aluminium thing as a example of what to do or not to do but please don't argue here since it's not the right place to get off-topic.
Altough I'm fairly new in XS, even I have noticed most of the stuff mentioned in this topic. And I gotta say, some of these fanbois and flamers have posted in this thread too, it's like they don't even recognise themselves.
Indeed this forum is the #1 place for me too to seek out news on the watercooling scene, and I surely wish this stays #1. Together we shall stand!
Like I said . . .add titles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lagaaja
You can add mine mods:
Danger Den Fan Boi
There . . .done. I personally don't care ;) :up: Anyone who has been here a year or more knows when I first came here you could not mention Danger Den without flames left and right. Now Danger Den is widely accepted (even though you will still see EK FTW posts in DD threads but at least you do not see the hardcore hating that you did . . .and am I talking some respected folks here did that crap but obviously decided to take a second look and became better for it . . .or they just keep quiet . .either way they are being very professional about it which is what the rest of us should strive for).
Only reason I got the D-Tek was beacuse of the price. I was actually looking for another Apogee GT and found this Fuzion for less than most of the Apogee GT's I could find FS so I thought i'd try it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
SOME here may be die hard over 3C, I personally am not. If I see a block (such as the great Dtek v2/GTZ debate) that performs a mere 2-3C better than another, I'm not going to dismount and sell my current block then shell out $$ for a mere 2-3C gain. To me, anything within a C or two difference is well within the margin of error in testing and/or mounting.Quote:
Originally Posted by RealRedRaider
Sure, we have a hardcore group that has methods in place to reduce these errors in their measurements but this isn't rocket science and i'm sure they are not using NASA grade measuring hardware because it just isn't THAT important.
My only thought is, why try and force a GTZ upgrade onto a new watercooler when he may not mount it properly to begin with. His temps may come out to be the same after changing over. To me, this is a disservice to him as he wasted his time and money over such a small potential gain, only for that gain not to be realized.
Well, after all the experience here . . .I am thinking about starting my own line of products. You all have seen my first prototype but here it is again for the uninitiated . . .and I am looking for fan bois to sign up:
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/3...maltakeng5.jpg
the block keeps the CPU at a steady -150 C with NO condensation and it has freeze bug protection built in so your proc will always work. It also uses polymemetic overclocking alloy so it automatically overclocks your cpu at a minimum of 6 ghz and increases it in steps until it reaches the maximum oc which is always stable. I am including 1 million free WOW gold with the first 100 orders . . .
the sponsorship list would be darned long . . . I totally agree with people knowing where you are coming from . . .but what will people see when they see Koolance and Danger Den in my sig, then they see I have done builds with EK and Swiftech. Won't they be confused? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by mcoffey
Said it before, say it again (and Marci jumped me for stating this but I still stand by it): If you care THAT much about a 3c delta . . .take the next step and head over to the Pelt or phase change forums. The best you will get here is ambient.Quote:
Originally Posted by gillbot
I would say list the sponsors per build for the last year or maybe two? It would be cool to see by build who helped and then link to a work log here so people can go check it out. You get a multi-faceted benefit . . .transparency and also you get to tie a person's work together so if I see one of your posts and want to know more about you I can just follow the details in links in your sig. It also encourages us to make worklogs. . .great idea Andy!!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by mcoffey
A standard format or template would be great for the sigs . . .
MM thanks for posting this thread. As i stated in other threads, i just finished my first WC build, and all is working great thanks to the great info and help here at XS.
I did go with a few decisions that, based on the very recent atmosphere at XS, would not be considered the 'right' build but it met my requirements and has been running non-stop without issue for 2 months now. Fortunately several members posted positive feedback and one specifically refuted the 'right build' mentality. Overall, my experience has been great here at XS, but i'm glad to see an outright effort to keep it that way.
Finally...the decisions i made were my own, based on hours and hours of reading here at XS. Which means i was able to extract the solid test data, good opinions and good experiences to form my own decisions. Before i started my build, I had no WC knowledge so I made it a point to gain as much understanding as possible.
If you come to XS new to WC and ask "what should i buy; how should i built it?" but you do not have at least a basic understanding of WC, then you are opening the door to a flood of opinions. Also, if you about to embark on your first WC project, then it's not a bad idea to assume you will spend 5% - 20% of your original budget on mistakes. I don't see anything wrong with that assumption...be it the wrong sized clamps, radiator grill, res, or other issues. Sometimes an RMA is not a possibility. It is good to have a goal of keeping fanboyism to a min., but it will always lurk to some degree. Having a solid understanding of the basics and doing your own research so you understand and are not just following blindly, and being willing to make mistakes, will result in a better experience and a better build.
So the Mods will do their best to tackle the problem and monitor the threads, but it's also up to the rest of us to do our homework, ignore some of the noise, and make the build that best suites our requirements. After all, you can' t believe everything you read on the net. :)