its as any, if you pay for a game, its likely you try to limit your rival with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBreezyBB
if written with guidelines the cards should perfom similar.
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its as any, if you pay for a game, its likely you try to limit your rival with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBreezyBB
if written with guidelines the cards should perfom similar.
Drivers, lacking support...Quote:
This i know But, i thought the new card would fare better
Hmmm, about 100€ cheaper than GTX 580 and 30€ expensive than GTX 570, so performance wise it may be around there, between them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
On an unrelated note the 6870 are down to 216$ WOW!! preparing for the 6950 >300$ ?!
GTX 570 is 339€ in the same shop :(Quote:
Originally Posted by japamd
From the looks of the pricing in the UK, that would seem about right ;) less than $300.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBreezyBB
That would be awesome!! I can't wait for tomorrow. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Oztopher
and ofcourse the drivers for 6900 which are still not used.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kristers Bensin
Jesus !! what the hell is this :down:Quote:
HD 6970 - 420€
GTX 570-339€
you needed to check the end of the article?Quote:
Originally Posted by Florinmocanu
the duct-taped switch at the back of the card did not give it away?
Gibbo's 6970 pyramid from OcUK :rofl:
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/6033/his1.jpg
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Originally Posted by Gibbo
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/338/54754688.gif
What is slide in pink ? with asian letters .
Resident Evil 5 :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by -=DVS=-
God those scales are terrible
P.S. Lost PLanet 2 is heavily Nvidia. I tihnk some review had the GTS 450 beating a 5870 in it :ROTF:
edit: why'd they pick P settings and Lost Planet 2 huh? Those are pretty obviously the ones that were Nvidia favored from even the German leaks showed it :down:
So basically OcUK have more 69xx cards on their own than GTX580s exist in the worlds shops?
That's a hell of a pyramid lol
There were some 570 at ~300€ last week in a few french online shop :yepp:
-2 points for lacking the Christmas star.
:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jodiuh
Not sure there would be enough room at the top there! about an inch difference between the ceiling :p:
Does the loaf of bread count? :D
HD 6970 Works with Lost Planet 2Quote:
Originally Posted by zerazax
:ROTF:
AMD to Bring Extra-Large Vapor Chamber Cooling to HD 6900
http://www.brightsideofnews.com/Data..._Vapor_675.jpg
As you can see in the image above, unlike in their previous attempts at Vapor Chamber cooling with modest sized vapor chambers like in ATI Radeon HD 4870X2, the approach with Radeon HD 6900 Series is more akin to Sapphire's pioneering 3870 Vapor-X, or recently the GeForce GTX 500 Series.
This massive Vapor Chamber cooling is the reason why AMD Radeon HD 6900 Series is achieving remarkable overclocking results, just like the GeForce GTX 580 and 570. We've seen GTX 580 working at 895MHz, GTX 570 at 880MHz as well as viewed results of Radeon HD 6970 clocked at 980MHz, and 6950 at 1010MHz. We've spoken with numerous board manufacturers and they're all telling us that this generation of graphics cards is "vintage", with overclocking headroom spanning much beyond the last generation.
Who'd knew, perhaps TSMC is finally maturing their 40nm process.
A 6950 at 1010? Nice!
:up: nice, but here :Quote:
A 6950 at 1010? Nice!
880MHz-980MHz = 100MHz :(Quote:
Radeon HD 6970 clocked at 980MHz
If these figures are common overclocks. These would be the gains.Quote:
We've seen GTX 580 working at 895MHz, GTX 570 at 880MHz as well as viewed results of Radeon HD 6970 clocked at 980MHz, and 6950 at 1010MHz
GTX580 772 -> 895 (15.9%)
GTX570 732 -> 880 (20%)
6970 880 -> 980 (11%)
6950 800 -> 1010 (26%)
Only if it's extra tasty, like honey wheat or that hawaiian stuff!Quote:
Originally Posted by Oztopher
Well, the 460 did it on a non vapor cooler, right? I must admit, it's almost as much fun as flashing 9500's to 9700's. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Tha Last Meal
It don't come from their own test, for final conclusion about OC, we will need to wait a bit ... ( they just report what have been post on some forum )Quote:
Originally Posted by Tha Last Meal
Relax boy, you're jumping to conclusions on pre launch pricing and unreleased performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tha Last Meal
Too bad AMD hasn't been able to up the core clocks much since 4890, it feels like they've hit a wall of some sort. This new generation from Nvidia and AMD has been nothing but disappointing in terms of perf increase. Gone are the days of 2x the performance compared to previous generation, now it's more like 1,2X.
Of course 28nm will once again bring a lot of performance since it's a full node smaller. I'm expecting great things from Nvidia and AMD a year from now. :up:
I wouldn't be surprised if ATI tapped the same manufacturer for the cooler, seeing as there is a vapour chamber and the plastic ring around the fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tha Last Meal
please 15th, save me, save us all. :DQuote:
Relax boy, you're jumping to conclusions on pre launch pricing and unreleased performance.
Just ordered a 6970 for £299.98 cant wait!!!
since when is 28nm a full node ???Quote:
Originally Posted by Pantsu
of course it will have the same die shrink feel as a full node .. but its not .. lets all blame tsmc and glofo for that ....
Where from?Quote:
Originally Posted by kam03
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Originally Posted by easyrider
OcUK
How?Quote:
Originally Posted by kam03
Baah, then that means it'll launch at like either $380 or $400 US here.Quote:
Originally Posted by kam03
There is a hidden link that i can't tell you about :DQuote:
Originally Posted by easyrider
Better then the $450 at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by nascasho
:( :(Quote:
Originally Posted by kam03
Wow, this thread really took off since I was around last time :)
http://forum.lab501.ro/attachment.ph...1&d=1292342034
Since you read my post wrong. :up: The next generation is a jump from 40 nm to 28 nm which is a considerable change due to 32 nm being cancelled. And if things turn out as bad as they seem after 28nm we're stuck there for a long time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n
dont be mean .. share the knowledge :DQuote:
Originally Posted by kam03
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Originally Posted by Pantsu
i didnt read your post wrong ... because they canceled it now seems like a full node .. but it isnt according to the industry ... thats all that i wanted to post ...
but your right .. since they canceled 32nm it now looks like a full node shift ...
I said it's full node smaller, not a full node process, i.e. half node (40nm) -> full node (32nm) -> half node (28nm).Quote:
Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n
ahh ok .. now i understand where i misread your initial post ... sorry for thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Pantsu
scaling is trough the roof I bet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monstru
Boo! Hiss!Quote:
Originally Posted by nascasho
at what time ends the nda ?
considering the massive heatsink and power regulation i expect more from the cardsQuote:
Originally Posted by -=DVS=-
either these are clocks on stock volts or they're very disappointing considering 68xx scale above 1ghz with ease on stock coolers with a small voltage bump
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Originally Posted by generics_user
lets wait till some users or real reviews post official info before judging the oc potential ... but i doubt theyd do worse then 6800 in oc headroom .. especially with the powertune feature off
I wouldn't necessarily expect the 6900s to out-clock the 6800s. They have a different and larger die.Quote:
Originally Posted by generics_user
The problem isn't the power regulation or the cooling, but the fact that the chips run at way too low voltage to clock well at stock. People would claim the chip to be a "great clocker" if AMD bumped the voltage by some 0.075V, even though infact the chip itself wouldn't be any better - it would just have higher stock voltage to achieve higher clocks at stock.
I guess Nvidia and AMD balance the stock voltage and core speed quite accurately to meet the most optimal yield/power/performance/temperature ratios, and the top bins go to low-voltage mobile products.
wont there be a software method to unlock the voltage ???
Who knows, but Asus will definitely release the Voltage Tweak 69xx.
well if theres no software volt mod id have to go hardmod .. not that it doesnt mind me .. but i know nothing about those ... :(
anyway .. the waiting game begins for non refference design with oc on the mind
Surely MSI AfternBurner will support them.. but when ? If the powertune "things" complicate the voltage control for them it will take a little bit more time for finish it.
I just measured 27.5cm up to my case (antec 900), it's going to be a damn tight fit :(
Edit: Luckily the power connectors are on the side of the card, otherwise i would be pretty much feked :rofl:
When I first dropped my 5870 into my 900 it took a little bit of fancy work but she fit just fine in the end it should fit without issueQuote:
Originally Posted by Oztopher
That's good to know man, thanks.
Agreed, but those new vapor chambers are darn good on air i can't see much beating it. so its pretty much all about liquid cooling for very high playable clocks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/sho...&postcount=376Quote:
I can confirm the German results are fake.
Well, my 6970 from Sapphire arrived.
They've specifically gave a download exclusively to the latest drivers which truly unlock the performance, and it's beating a stock 580 in Heaven, albeit the max FPS is a little lower.
Fake, then... Good to know.
I have high hopes for the card.
5 hours left?! :D
That's better :) . I suppose those results are with the *real* cats 10.12?Quote:
Originally Posted by _galactic_
http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/5385/dsc00413.jpg
Will a 6970 fit into this?
That's a 5850.
GTX580
http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/4383/580o.jpg
GTX580 @930/4400
http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/44/580oc.jpg
Yeah, but you're going to have to mount it vertically.Quote:
Originally Posted by andos
For ease of eyes...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2.../6970vs580.jpg
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Originally Posted by twistedneck
that's the route i will likely take
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Originally Posted by Jodiuh
not the same res ...
Yeah it's about 11% more pixels but it looks like the 6970 would still squeak by in a direct comparison. That's at "normal" tessellation levels of course.
as nice as a vapor chamber is, i still would go with a non exhaust only heatsink and large silent fans, since i have good internal air flow
(actually my case has no gpu exhaust vent, lol)
WHAT!! OMG OMGMGOMG
http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/ite...-cost-275-euro
The Radeon HD 6970 will sell in Europe as of 5 AM Wednesday for €275, while Radeon HD 6950 will sell for just €225 euro.
Fooled again by that wretched teneighty. :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n
16% quicker, but 11% less work, so 5% quicker than 580? 20% oc headroom for 580 on air? Cayman need 15% oc headroom to match? Seems doable. Fud says 275 Euro too...that would be pretty nice. :up:
I'm going to rest a bit now and dream a little $350 6970 dream. :D
5800 series pricing deja vu? Sweet
http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/3...ertrooperg.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by hurrdurr
IMO can't be real... 360$ for 6970 sounds bs... extremely cheap... gtx580 gonna just die in that case... since all 6xxx series have perfect crossfire scaling.Quote:
Originally Posted by hurrdurr
if true, HD 6800 will drop in price. 225€ is 6870 territory :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by hurrdurr
you guys trust fudzilla now ?
these prices seems to be very low but why not :p
GTX 580 isn't going to die, nvidia will drop the price without a doubt in a day or two if the 6970 is at $360 or $370. It'll be like the HD4800 vs GTX260/GTX280 scenario all over again pricing reaction from nvidia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dezmen
It's not even 360$... if it's 300€ in Europe it will be around 300$ in USQuote:
Originally Posted by Dezmen
http://media.funlol.com/content/img/hory-shet.jpg
Means another fake from FakeZilla :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Borden
with those kind of pricing it would deffinatly be a good buy :D
I have a fairly confident feeling it'll be $380 for the 6970 and probably like $300 for the 6950.
I guess we know why OCuk stockpiled a pyramid of 6970s then :DQuote:
Originally Posted by nascasho
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Originally Posted by kite7
look how big their die is and how low can they lower it to still be profitable is the question ... anyway .. if those pricing are real i can see lots of 6900 crossfire setups :D
Exactly so I'm waiting to see how nvidia responds if the 6900 series is priced that cheaply. Can't do consumers harm either way :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n
lol Nvidia is going to have to make some sort of massive price adjustment...$200 price adjustment (sorry for the prev customers who paid top dollar)
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Originally Posted by kite7
of course not :D
and thats how nice the christmas this year will be ... its how it was suposed to be last year .. but sadly nvidia didnt do nothing .. ohh well .. at least we have this year :D
to me fudzilla seems like doesn't know how convert sterling to euros :down:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dezmen
If 6970 costs 275 EUR... I dunno... Really...
O_O
Would be a sick Christmas present from AMD! :D
GF110 is larger... 550mm2.Quote:
Originally Posted by hurrdurr
Oh, so the controllers are Volterra...Quote:
Originally Posted by Borden
I thought they moved to Chil, which I think are on the 68x0s.
prices sound way to nice, im betting on 325 minimum for 6950 and 375 minimum for 6970
Agreed. $400 doesn't sound unrealistic for 6970.
I'm still sticking with $299 for 6950 and $399 for 6970 to avoid disappointment.
price sounds way too low, and this is Fudzilla giving us AMD info so its probably fail
329/429 is my guess
6950 vs 6970 vs GTX 580: http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/sho...php?t=18217817
This is still with the supplied default drivers that came in the box. Apparently there's some talk going about that a newer 8.851 driver offers a slight performance boost, but we'll see. Gibbo and other people were using 8.790.
ps. It includes overclocked and crossfire results too ;)
I hope they will be that cheap. Then we will see more ppl with rigs like this =))
http://forum.lab501.ro/attachment.ph...4&d=1292355190
Some other info from the link is interesting...
And this is on a launch day in UK (= quite expensive [by EU standards] by definition).Quote:
Price - Sub £250 for a 6950 and sub £300 for a 6970 make these cards very competively priced!
OcUK will put its stock live sometime after midnight tonight at which time you should check the following link as we have 1000+ in stock right now!!!!
So they might be actually available for sub 300 EUR...
@ Monstru: will we see your review at midnight? I am hoping to do all the necessary research before heading off to bed! :D
I'ma brigin' it back from the dead:Quote:
Originally Posted by Monstru
Will it run Crysis?!
http://boingboing.net/images/dramatichipmunk.jpg
6970 in QuadFire will probably run over Crysis like a monster truck! :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by nascasho
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Originally Posted by nascasho
quad crossfire not running crysis ???
LOLL
Those results seem quite good. Looks like AMD have got another 4xxx series of cards on their hands. Cheap to produce, and trades blows with Nvidias top GPU, while being cooler, quieter and cheaper to run.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oztopher
It could be drivers bring the 69xx cards more life too, as it's a new arch for AMD.
I take it the 570 and 580 will be dropping in price very soon.
I wasn't going to buy a card this year, but if these things are cheap, cheap to run, cool and quiet...
Yeah my thoughts exactly. Although one thing that does concern me, is that the difference between a 6950 and 6970 at stock in those heaven benchmarks, is about 3 fps :confused:
800 core vs 880, 1250 mem vs 1375, 1408 SP's vs 1536 and only 3 fps difference?? Points to drivers IMO...