No, it won't post let alone be stable
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There powerchip IC's, they will max out at around 520MHz or so.
I would suggest trying to run 450FSB and run the ram 1:1
you might have better luck on the 333 strap so play with both 400 and 333 straps. After you get 900MHz to boot in to your OS, you can tweak the timing.
GSkill ram is funny on timing so try 5-4-4-12 and set trfc to 50 or 55
you can also try 5-4-3-12 @2.2v with trfc set to 50 or 55.
Play with volts, powerchips dont normally scale much with volts, but I have found GSkills usually require a drop or 2 more in the bucket to keep them stable at there rated speed.
Dram Clock SKew will also help to settle the ram down
Managed to push my board a few MHz higher in max everest bench speed to 667.5 MHz
http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/w...est6675MHz.jpg
Hey CryptiK I have a question for you.
My Corsair Dominators vers 1.1 Micron D9GMH that did 1200+MHz on my X38 board will not even post at 1150 on this board. Is there something I'm over looking or is it all part of the Maximus experience.
I see others getting 1200 on this board with lesser ram so I nkow its posible
Nice results btw :up:
Hi all, i have a problem with RAM. Currently I have installed OCZ 2x2 reaper 1066, which is totally unstable with high FSB. I want to get new RAM but this time I need something what is fully compatible with M2F motherboard. What would you recommend? I’m looking for 2x2GB 1066MHz stable with high FSB. thanks :)
Mushkin runs on my system perfectly @ 530mhz sync.
Also the other options, Grnfinger suggested, are nice kits.
635 FSB :eek: http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=527270
Not sure if all D9 can do those speeds, the older stuff generally needed more voltage for higher speeds, and the v1.x Corsairs are 2005/2006 models.
The M2F seems to have quite low drive strength compared to other boards, and as such doesn't clock ram so well.
For 667.5 MHz I used:
2:3 divider
vdimm: ~2.40v
vNB: ~1.40
PL: 8
Mem OC Charger: Enabled (this is critical for 600MHz + ram speeds as as far as I can tell it increases drive strength)
Dram read training: Enabled
Static Read Control: Enabled
Ai Clock Twister: Moderate
Thanks. I can bench SPI32M at 640 MHz (DDR2-1280) @ 2.24v on this board but that is sadly the upper limit for 32M stability. My P5Q-D can pass SPI32M at 651 MHz (DDR2-1302) @ 2.24v which isn't bad but isn't great either.
Give the settings I stated above a go. It may be a few things holding you back, however a lot of people are having trouble with higher ram clocks on this board. I'd like to try my ram kits on a better board as they seem to be doing ok on this one compared to others.
Nicely done :up: Do you have the NB on DICE or air? Your cpu is the best batch of 8600 available, you should be very happy with it.
@ CryptiK, I basically had used them same settings and printed your out and retried.
There is no way I can get it to even save and exit bios and not freeze up (even using 1 Module).
I know its the Mobo and not the Memory as above peep has same Memory and can do 1200mhz easy in other Mobo's.
I will just put it down to another Asus ballsup and many here claimed to have RMA'd this Mobo as it does not run the 1200mhz Memory it claims to supports, I would if they made this Mobo with a Rev A3 NB instead of only the lower models now having A3 NB's which now also have Turbo versions for sale (or soon to be for sale) supporting 1333mnhz DDR2. :(
http://www.tcmagazine.info/comments....=24958&catid=2
These are my 24/7 settings. I know this board has more in it for my setup just haven't had the time to tweak it.
Ok DDR3 part is bug but what's the point in 1 stick of Memory in Single Channel Mode. ;)
its so he can go for the highest fsb possible
humeyboy,why must you crap on peoples achievements?do you even understand how amazing 670fsb is?
@ radaja, Lets get something completely crystal clear right now.
When have I ever crapped anyone achievments here PERIOD in all my years here ?
Back up your claims with quotes to my posts or stop talking TOSH !
He was quoting another peeps high FSB post and hinting his was better which is fine by me (friendly rivalry/competition is good) but the other peeps FSB is far harder to attain as it uses more than 1 Memory Module and is in Dual Channel Mode.
boy, you do not know that with only one slot of ram go up more? I am with air;)
640 FSB AIR WITH TWO RAM:eek: http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=528182
Nice Fsb some people got here:) to bad my board will not even post at 440fsb:shrug::down:
I aggree with Humeyboy... When i see some benchmarks with a 24/7 rig, fully loaded, quad, 8gb, 2 vid cards, 4 or more harddrives, ect, that can do anywhere near or above 500fsb without sub-zero, nuclear powered cooling... Then i will say "good job", "i'm impressed"...
Most of the "extreme bench's" are done with stuff the average guy, doesnt have, nor has the "license" for...
Not bashing anyone, just my :2cents:......
Need to see some more PCI vid cards too.... Those are "hella bad" in a "top end", "not enclosed in a case" rig....:up:
here we go : 500 fsb on pc in sign
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=528628
Brilliant, you are going very well indeed.
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I got a response from a helpful person at Asus who chased up the Phase-pull in issue for me.
" I checked the Pull-in issue with relative department for you.
The option Pull-In of CHA PH1~4(Pull-In the first data phase of Channel A) is used to decide at which phase the FSB aligns with the memory.
Because there is a ratio problem between FSB and RAM(memory).
Usually, after enabling Pull-In of CHA/B PH1, there will be a 0.3 percent increase in Everest read performance test.
And the Sandra memory bandwidth will have about 0.38 percent increase."
Not exactly what I wanted to hear, but I guess that's all it is, a very sight increase, almost immeasurable and well within repeat run variance. I have tried countless times with everest and more accurately SPI32M, and never found any increase at all from the phase pull-ins.
Phase Pull-Ins on the X38 Maximus lowerd PL one level and would increase bandwidth buy a noticable amount
looks to me Asus is trying to avoid the issue altogether. This unfortunately will be my last Asus product for along time
People write to asus for a program to oc from windows as i7 for this motherboard?
New PB ram clock done. I managed 672 MHz CL5.
Settings:
vNB = 1.35v
vdimm = 2.40v
PL = 10
NB DDR2 Ref = +37.5mv
DDR2 CH A/B Ref = +12.5mv
http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/w...672MHz240v.jpg
Nice FSB's :up:
+1
I'm done with their shat. I feel like I've been AIG'd by buying their products the past 5 out of the last 8-9 yrs.
AIG'd = AIG is asking for money bailouts (e.g. 33 billion bail-out) from the US government and giving it to their top executives as bonuses.... well i'm not that mad at asus but that's the last i'll buy their product until I see atleast 5 5-star ratings from their boards from respectable review sights.
RUN AND HIDE AIG
Like I stated above somewhere, it's about the little people and the big people.
Surface to say, if we were CEO's of an Asus big OEM who buys thousands if not millions of boards from them to build our PC's, notebooks, servers etc. and if we said hey we want these pull-ins working then you can be sure their reaction would be oh so different.
There are little fish and there are big fish. The only way for Asus to really pay attention is a) spread the word for folks to stop buying Asus boards, this would have to be large-scale, b) get the media involved to write a nice article/or do a video review on how Asus releases half-baked products.
If a company is small it usually listens to the tune of buyers making sure it delivers on what's expected. Large companies are rather only concerned with their pay checks, share options, retirement funds, keeping that nice office leather chair profoundly heated, buying yachts, checking out concierge services and so forth. Money gets to people's heads a lot of the time, once it does they feel to be kings and queens of this world, untouchable.
Do you really think Asus's CEO even knows they have a product called Maximus Formula II? :) You'd be surprised, though if you asked him about Sushi, he could tell you all the great places in Tapei.
Agreed though, it is pathetic how they treat enthusiasts.
You guys know if this mobo supports setfsb program fully?
This far i have used ICS9LPRS918BKL
Maybe we all could use normal font size, and there is no reason to insult anyone for there english
I think that this gentleman is asking for a Windows 7 based program for overclocking the board like Abit had for the IP35 Pro MB "uGuru".
And everyone lets all please remember that this is a worldwide forum and not everyone in this world speaks English and nor should they have to. :up:
thank you guys :up:
anyway more than 500x8 i prefer this :cool:
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=529175
Funny I am from Scotland so we speak and write in real proper English unlike other countries but I can still fully understand the above peeps question with no difficulty what soever. ;)
Newegg is just a large retailer, of which there are many. Even if Newegg stopped selling Asus boards, Asus would just beef up contracts with the other players without so much as a slight hiccup. Just because lots of people buy the MIIF doesn't mean they all know what pull-ins are and even after finding it out and the fact they don't work be bothered to post a review about it.
Companies thrive on the disinformation of a vast chunk of potential buyers. You don't need an excellent product to sell, you just need an OK product and great marketing.
You can make a good product for the mainstream that's 80% fine with only 20% effort. If you want it to be 100% fine then to get that extra missing 20% you'll need to spend 80% more effort. Asus doesn't want to spend more money than necessary, no way, unless it's to pay bonuses to their top management.
I swapped to other BIOS chip using BIOS 1901 and 1:2 divider is working now. I took the cpuz SS then tried to run everest and it crashed unfortunately.
678 MHz CL5 @ 2.45v
http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/w...678mhz245v.jpg
Stop teasing us with ya mad rams ! but really Everest shows awesome bandwith etc but this is hardly reflected in eg Superpi32... I take everest with a BIG grain of salt !
Hehe sorry about that!
Yes Everest is just synthetic, it's nice for a quick demo but I also prefer something real like 32M to show performance. In my experience the M2F just can't pass SPI32M over 534 FSB / 640 MHz PL8. I have a feeling the MCH is at it's limit around there.
I'm fighting the P45 UD3P at the moment mate, stuck there at 570FSB Hyperpi 32Mb stable, 575 always gives me one error after each pass, tried zillions of combinations (volts, GTL's, PL's, timings,... ), other rams etc... think it's the limit of my board's chipset... it has to end somewhere lol
Yeah its tricky sometimes to make it pass, I assume that's on 1:1? I can get 550 FSB 1:1 PL 10 to pass but over that it falls part rapidly, same on my P5Q-Deluxe. Skews really helped me with stability, delay 150ps on each channel was the optimal setting at 534 - 542 FSB & 640 - 651 MHz ram with PL 8.
Ok, so Quad cores and the MIIF board don't mix. What CPU are you using to achieve these high FSB's??? 8600??? I figure if I'm going to keep this board I might as well, get a CPU that I can have fun with. 480fsb with a quad is nice but 600+++ would be like heaven!
Simonix is usiing an 8600 see his valid link: Here
The MIIF does fine w/ quads, and for 24/7 you aren't going to get much higher clocks from a dual than a quad (4.2-4.4GHz vs 4.0-4.2GHz). So, ~200Mhz higher w/ the duals, but half the cores.
If you're just talking about benching then yes, the duals can be a lot more fun. You can get near the same results w/ an E8400 E0 as you can w/ the E8600, though, unless you get some extreme cooling. The E8400 has a 9x multi, and if you can get 600FSB then that puts you at 5.4GHz. You're well into extreme cooling at that speed, and the extra multi wouldn't be any good for anything else.
The main thing you want to do if you're shopping for a good dual to play w/ is to try and get a really good batch from somebody. A used chip that is a proven good OCer, or perhaps go to a store that lets you sift through the boxes to find a good batch. It doesn't matter if it's an E0 E8400, E8500, or E8600 as long as you get a really good batch.
I think you'll need DI or LN2 for that speed, and it wouldn't be 24/7 in any case. All these high FSB speeds you're seeing are not 24/7 stable. I haven't done a lot of duallie super-high FSB 24/7 testing, but I'd say 533 would be getting near the limit for 24/7 stability. Maybe 550-575 if you're lucky. But then you can't run anything but a 1:1 divider, and have to settle for a looser PL.
9x500 w/ 5:6 divider and PL=8 Stronger is a good goal to reach for.
Gotcha. Makes a lot more sense now.
Someone mentioned how the PL levels on the P45 were 1 number higher for the same value on P35/X38/X48. So, PL=7 on X38 is the same as PL=8 on P45. That being said, I was able to hit PL=6 at similar RAM speeds on my P35 P5K-Premium, and have to use PL=8 on my MIIF. Didn't need pull-ins to do it, but the 90nm chipset boards definitely had an advantage w/ bandwidth.
guys i need to change dissipation system on my M2F..ni got really nice results but NB temp are too high..i could even go on in OC if i reduce my temps..
what aftermarket cooler could i use for SB and NB ?
noctua NC U6 fit into NB without hurts ram slots ? no problem for Sb i think, even blue ice cooler is sufficient for SB.
i have even seen extreme sprit 2 by thermaltake that is smaller but i don't know if it's able to dissipate well.. i want to replace all pipes on my board ..i'm 55 °C on NB in idle :down:
Exteme spirit works well and is a cost effective soloution alittle noisey tho if you dont run it on a fan controller.
Vantec icberq copper cooler works very well with slight mod to mounting holes and looks nice
Cannot comment on the noctua, but I do recall someone posting that it works but not sure if it was this board or not..
So, I've been running stability tests on my MIIF, Q9650, & DDR2 1000 - I was having trouble completing SuperPI and HyperPI but it was stable for 12hrs blend on Prime95 @ 480fsb ... I thought it was ok. I recently tried IBT & it failed. I reset my bios and all settings go default and it still fails IBT I am currently running HCI memtest to recheck ram. I was running 1.43v on the core to run the 480fsb (8.5multi) - could the CPU be failing or the mobo?
EDIT: How about an E8600 for this board? I've decided to run my other quad with my UD3R board. What fsb could I expect with an E8600 in a 24/7 scenario? Also heard there is an E8700 coming out, any idea when or is it bs?
8700 is due out soon I think..
To switch from a quad to a dualie I think you will regret it.
I have a 8400 on my second MIIF and its a dog compared to the 4.2GHz Q9650.
480fsb is very doable on this board, It took me 20 mins maybe to dial in my 4.2GHz settings, all my chips will do 500FSB on this board.
I would recheck your settings
This is my 4200MHz setup
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f...200_10loop.jpg
Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
FSB Frequency : 467
CPU Clock Skew : Advanced 100ps
North Bridge Clock Skew : Advanced 100ps
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1121
Dram Clock Skew CH1 A1 : Normal
DRAM Clock Skew CH1 A2 : Normal
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B1 : Normal
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B2 : Normal
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 55
Write Recovery Time : 6
Read to Precharge Time : 3
Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 8
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6
Write to PRE Delay : 14
Read to PRE Delay : 5
PRE to PRE Delay : 1
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : 5
ALL PRE to REF Delay : 5
DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
Dram Read Training : Disabled
MEM OC Charger : Enabled
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger
Transaction Booster : Manual
Common Performance Level [8]
Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH5 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH5 Disabled
PCIE Frequency : 103
CPU Voltage : 1.325
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.59275
FSBT : 1.37825
DRAM Voltage : 1.9
North Bridge Voltage : 1.45775
South Bridge Voltage 1.5 : 1.55300
South Bridge Voltage 1.1 : 1.20600
CPU GTL Reference 0 : Auto
CPU GTL Reference 1 : -45mv
CPU GTL Reference 2 : Auto
CPU GTL Reference 3 : -45mv
North Bridge GTL Reference : AUTO
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
North Bridge DDR Reference : AUTO
Load Line Calabration : Enabled
CPU Sread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled
That all seems to be working except for my memory sub timings are on auto and I have to use PL 10 with the DDR2 1000 I am running 1:1 btw
I am testing currently using Prime95 blend, then I'm going to test with IBT - I've never seen what you have for results with your IBT screenie, what did you do? btw, my system will not pass the "max stress" test under IBT
EDIT: ah poop, failed both Prime blend & OCCT - upping vcore to 1.38 vtt to 1.37
Thats mine :
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/327/e8400h.th.jpg
8700? i know that Fugger has told that isn't confirmed ...
8700, wow! Didn`t know !
Is that a joke ? So take a look at this mates :D
http://www.hwbot.org/quickSearch.do?...+(3.50Ghz)+(0)
This page is mine :rofl:
thank you for reply, i probably go for extreme spitir so it's compatible without mods..i think oi can set 60% of speed from bios if it will be noisy, it's active dissipation so it's sufficent :) i'll post the mod as soon as i do :) the shop near home sells extreme spirit so it's easyer than ever :D
Shops in Europe are taking orders for E8700 now.
As far as I know there going to be released as Intel has not stated when 775 will be EOL
i7 is still in its infancy and i5 has not seen retail yet, so I cant see Intel dropping 775 yet.
select no to "turn on error dection" and you will get the same output
What test are you failing in Prime?
Please post back with your results
That's old news m8.
The I7 is not selling as well as they would like and I5 is belated and the World Wide Recession does not help.
Even before this they said I7 would not be mainstream even for high end segment till late 2009/early 2010.
There is a E8700 due and their is a few new socket 775 Mobos with DDR2 1333mhz support out/due out soon.
I also say there will be a new 45nm Quad out faster than the Q6950 but that's IMO.
I did foresee the new "S Model" 65watt 45nm Quads.
Thanks Grnfinger.
Core #0 failed, i've heard that's a sign of needing more vcore - did 3hrs of OCCT @ 1.38v~1.39v
Well I have decided to go back on my word, and buy yet another Asus product.
I have a kit of Corsair Dominators Vers 1.1 Micron D9GMH (B6-3) Handpicked and wont do 1200MHz on the MIIF but will do 1225MHz on the Maximus X38, so I finally have had enough of "what if I had bought a Rampage" and bought one.
Guys, who knows, where motherboard sensor is placed on ASUS mobos?
Check wit an hair dryer over the mobo WaterFlex ;)
Bout yur tests on the ram Cryptik : I gat a Spi8M @666 but nothing else with 2,6v :( ...@600 the Crucials are rockstable with 2,3v)
@Leeghoofd : Still waiting for my mobo, that's why you can see "???" in the signature ^^
If you're Belgian : do you speek french m8 ? ( I can't subscribe on I4) so we could meet here on XS but maybe on Syndrome-O/C in a review which is commin soon ???
I've noted you stating the same a few times about how the MIIF and your RAM don't want to play ball and I'm baffled since as you know from my sig (which has been present for a year now or so), the MIIF is just fine with Micron RAM at 1200MHz effective. Also bare in mind I'm running 4 sticks of it.
I've done 50x of Linx (IBT) on it with all the RAM options checked and it's fine. It's passed MS memory check for ages (over 50 passes) and that also proved it was OK. All this at 2.15V and the timings in my sig - all other RAM options are on auto or disabled except for performance level, transaction booster etc.
The MIIF is definitely sensitive to the RAM BIOS settings, it's very easy to break stability. In fact the BIOS is buggy since if it wasn't for the cold boot problem (black screen), I could run my RAM at 5-4-5-18-30 at 1200MHz which gets the latency down to about 50.5ns in Everest.
Hmmm
Is it just me or has the recent XS Forums downtime caused a loss of some of this thread? Before it got taken down "for testing apparently" two days ago I remember evo posting about how he modded the MIIF 1901 BIOS and inserted the SLI string into it - these posts now seem gone entirely and the latest posts (other than my last one) date back to March 25th.
Either my eyes are playing up or something is going wrong here. Anyone else notice the step back in time?
Yip the forum has been down more than a hookers pants in recent weeks and posts are gone due to this (not sure if perm).
I have same Mobo and Ram as you 2 and I cannot even save and exit bios at 1200mhz or about above 1175mhz.
No amount of voltage or settings change it.
Hope the newer Rev A3 is better but the lesser models now have Turbo models with DDR21333 support. :mad:
how about the SLI modded bios?
just wait guys.. i will bring you a new bios with all those goodies included in the newer boards. things i'm planning to change:
update all roms to their newest version
patch the memory table (ddr2-1300 support)
get sli working
maybe qfan plus (very nice.. it controls the opt_fan through opt_temp! great improvement! )
also i'm planning to patch the audio drivers to a newer version and get the turboV software from the rampage II/p5q turbo running on our MIIF
I have 2 MIIF boards, highest I can clock my Micron D9GMH sticks is around 1175MHz or so, regardless of timing or strap I cannot post above that.
Hoped this board would be a great performer, but sadly its not.
Just waiting on my mosfet block for the Rampage board, when they arrive I will do a head to head, clock for clock, quad and dualie comparison.
But I already know who the winner will be:D
It's like polishing a turd, no matter what you do to it, its still a pos
At least the guy is trying. :rolleyes:
This is the MFII thread not any other Mobo and I'm kind of glad all the posts are lost that were totally of topic and pic's of Rampage Mobos. :cool:
Even if you try the below settings?
CPU Ratio - 9
FSB Freq - 450
Effective CPU clock speed = 4.05GHz.
RAM/MCH related settings (RAM timings as 5-5-5-18):
AI Overclock Tuner - Manual
FSB Strap to NB - Auto
DRAM Freq - 1199MHz
DRAM CLK Skew A1 - -50ns
DRAM CLK Skew A2 - -50ns
DRAM CLK Skew B1 - -50ns
DRAM CLK Skew B2 - -50ns
DRAM Timing Control - Manual
Performance Level - 7
DRAM Static Read Control - Disabled
DRAM Read Training - Disabled
MEM OC Charger - Enabled
Ai Clock Twister - Strong
NB Voltage - 1.35175
CPU Clock Skew - 200ns
NB Clock Skew - 100ns
I will print out your settings above and try them later but ideally I want 1200mhz Ram for 600FSB 1:1.
I'd like to post for sale my MIIF board here. Asking 180$ where is the FS section!?!?!
Thanks,
529th
Yeah, but that doesnt matter to "managment" here man....
Here some shots with my new Q9650 :)
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/2093/9475.th.jpg
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/2925/linkpak.th.jpg
He is a good overclocker :) I will go for 9*500 these days, but don't have time to play right now.
Again all settings on Auto, I changed only vcore and everything goes just fine.
I'm working now to make 9*490 stable. This FSB want's a little tweaking :)
It's a hell of a shame what ASUS is doing with the MIIF BIOS:
- no backport of those nice functions found in MIIG BIOS like QFan Plus, new BIOS Options, 8 OC Profiles, aso.
- eSATA at the Marvell Chip is not working but ASUS does advertise this option in their manual
- Pull-Ins are not working and many other things
- crappy old PCI ROMs
I really hate them now! They :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing sell the most expensive P45 board on the market and don't give a damn about it!
You simply just have to look at their FTP and how messy it is their: 10 same software packs with the version in it and 10 different names. WTF? Don't you have standards at your crappy offices?
If anyone from ASUS reads this: Go, get yourself some process management steps and someone who watches the development! And :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing get us a new and working BIOS with all those nice things.. it is a big :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing shame that ASUS isn't able to do such simply things that companys like ASRock, MSI, Gigabyte, aso. can do! Your the biggest :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing producer for retail boards and simply just don't give a god damn :banana::banana::banana::banana: about your customers!
The working methods and handling of the customers has to be a topic on all big hardware pages all around the internet to pressure ASUS .. but i think that no big page will do such a thing, cause ASUS needs them and they need ASUS.