Basically, the HD6850 is the de-facto standard @ $179.
Not to mention, the fact that the 6800 series supports the open community... is an added boon for the end-user as well. (g/j amd)
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Basically, the HD6850 is the de-facto standard @ $179.
Not to mention, the fact that the 6800 series supports the open community... is an added boon for the end-user as well. (g/j amd)
ummm I've owned more ATI cards than Nvidia pretty sure I'm not alone in my disdain of ATI drivers.Quote:
Originally Posted by zerazax
Go into the ATI Forums what do I see on page 1:
"ATI cannot make working video drivers"
"Cats 10.9 NUKED my OS install"
"ATI Crashes - Compatibility or just the norm?"
Don't give me that fanboi crap I just don't want to drop $240 bucks on a headache.
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Originally Posted by Glow9
Yep, same old same old, simple (naive, fanatic, or stupid ?) generalization is a :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: huh ! :down:Quote:
Originally Posted by zerazax
Yep, G92b the 270 mm^2 chip built on high yielding, plentiful supplied, cheap TSMC 55 nm process. Different story if we put GF 104, the 367 mm^2 chip built on low yielding (full fledged GF 104, where art thou ??), less abundant, relatively expensive TSMC 40 nm process. And to think GF 100 530 mm^2 chip has to get down so low fighting & competing in the mainstream segment, i just LOL'ed. :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by qcmadness
But ofcourse, there are brigades of ignorant jerks who think the world is flat as a table, as long they can play their favorite games in the basement. Nevermind. :cool:
I ask about the software that will enable a product to run. Buying a corvette with a faulty engine isn't a value either. You really need to take a look in the mirror before you start calling people "ignorant or jerks". Asking Questions about something someone would buy isn't "stupid". Last time I checked it's being an educated consumer. Early adopters tend to run into this problem a lot. "Naive" is buying something without doing your research, not to mention "stupid". But call me what you want but I can tell you, you're the only one who's the face of all these labels. But name calling isn't what a "fanatic" would do now is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by spursindonesia
Ever thought of the fact that because, as you claim, you owned more ATI cards than Nvidia, you've obviously encountered more issues?Quote:
Originally Posted by Glow9
Or how about the fact that a lot of issues people complain about ATI, exist on Nvidia as well?
Ever run Nvidia drivers back when Vista was around? I couldn't go a day without my 8800 Ultra's drivers crashing and forcing a reboot. Switched to the 4870X2 and haven't had that same crash at all on the same rig.
Heck, even Microsoft said that the majority of its driver issues were from... guess who? Nvidia
Frankly, I'd say 85% of the so-called ATI driver issues are common issues that could have been encountered on either ATI or Nvidia, and a good chunk of the claims are pure perception. That is, enough people say "ATI has worse drivers / Nvidia has better drivers" and people start believing it as fact.
Just like microstutter was an issue a couple people brought up, then everyone started believing microstutter as a huge multi-GPU issue, when most people didn't even know what microstutter was! People started throwing graphs out there and videos claiming things were microstutter, when they clearly weren't. Heck, I even heard people on this very forum claim to have microstutter in a single GPU
I'm not saying you haven't had issues, but hearing generalizations from people all the time from forums without anything to back it up (and often, its the user's wrong) annoys me to no end
the biggest advantage of ati over nvidia is a singlecard triple monitor solution via eyefinity.
That's esp why I'm dissapointed the 6870 didn't ship with 2GB by default.
It's a mid ranged card. Would not surprise me if 6900's start off at 2GB thoQuote:
Originally Posted by KoHaN69
Well this threads been handed over to fanbois and analyzing hardware reviews has long been dead, Good job people.Quote:
Originally Posted by zerazax
I've had Vista running on my current PC for 3 years, prior to my 8800GTS which I have owned since it was released was a x1950xt. I have never once had a real issue with my card nor vista. The only issue I had was with one annoying set of drivers. Prior to that I had a x800 Pro, prior to that I had a 9600 Pro I think it was. I really don't need to justify my purchase history to you people. I'll buy a solid product when I see it, have I enjoyed ATI's drivers in the past? NO. I have not, I've always hated their control center layout as well.
In September of 2009 I even asked how people like the new CCC since it seemed like ATI finally did something visually great like how Nvidia had things going at the time! http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=234775
You people need to stop defending your purchase choices and start being helpful, seriously you people are coming off as serious d-bags. Just think how you look to others who want to ask questions and are now just afraid they are going to get attacked.
Say anything you want man, it won't change the fact that this post of yours:Quote:
Originally Posted by Glow9
is ONE BIG :banana::banana::banana::banana:IN SIMPLE GENERALIZATION or OVERSIMPLIFICATION regarding AMD graphic driver situation. :down:Quote:
Originally Posted by Glow9
That one really flowed well.Quote:
Originally Posted by spursindonesia
GTX 460 1gb kinda win the battle but very slight...Quote:
Overclocked 460 vs overclocked 6850 is the new enthusiast battleground!
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http://lab501.ro/placi-video/asus-ra...870-si-hd-6850
CF of 6850 is amazing, 5970 is nonsens for 300$ more...
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http://lab501.ro/placi-video/radeon-...-in-crossfirex
6870 is a little hotter....the 5850 owners i don't think that they have any reasons to jump on it...
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Kinda ironic none of you fanbois have even answered the question or given me proof that they have. Like I asked, have they gotten better recently? I feel like I'm in a Abbott and Costello routine. Seriously people hardforum.com check it out I think a lot of you would fit in very well over there.Quote:
Originally Posted by spursindonesia
P.S. Idiots I got banned from there after being a member of 7 years over my comments over an Nvidia partner! This is amazing really... I feel like it's 2006 again and Republicans are calling anyone who questions them un-American. Tech enthusiasts eating their own lovely.
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Thats really just as bad of a generalization, I never had any issues with Nvidia and Vista at all with an 8800gtx, however that doesn't mean you didn't have your problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by zerazax
Problems happens, there are times you can have two hardware/sw identical computers with one being a turd and the other an angel for no obvious reasons.
Really great price / performance cards, and the power consumption is amazing.Quote:
Originally Posted by xdan
But I dont have to feel too bad about my GTX 460s at least, they are still on par, just less efficient.
It took a while for ATI to fill the DX11 £150-£200 gap with something decent though (5830 was NOT good enough for me).
So when will the 384 shader G104 chip get released? think it should be slightly faster than the 6870.
Asus EAH 6850 DirectCU | 1060/1175MHz | vGPU = 1.25v | Fan Speed = 100%
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Nvidia cant make drivers either, just ask anyone playing BC2 how Nvidia cards does...
This serie is a 9700,8800gt and such all over again, tremendous value at the price point.
old 5850/6870 performance for a much better price.
Old now, get us cayman details.
actually, 260.52 did it for me, not stuttering while having good fps(gtx 470), a friend of mine bought a hd 5850 an was forced to change render ahead from 2 to 0 in the ini file, then it broke and changed to a gtx 460. maybe it was a bad card who knows :p.. Cant wait to see how the hd69xx cards faires, the cf performance of the 68xx series must be some kind of indication...
I like the reviews, good competition for the first time in ages.
Now I'm glad with my GTX 470 that got delivered today. It's very similar to the 6870. Each best the other in certain games.
Great if you ask me, let the price wars commence!
No clue if it was a hardware change or software change, but the CF scaling is definitely improved. Maybe the changes to rebalance the GPUs and change the dispatcher & scheduler have helped
That was the point, it's to make an example of how ridiculous the generalization is. People complained all the time about the driver issue on forums for Nvidia cards back in 2006/2007, so hopefully people see how ridiculous perception can beQuote:
Originally Posted by highoctane
I can beat that. Sort of. 1.3VGPU. Fan speed at auto.Quote:
Originally Posted by xdan
http://www.nordichardware.se/images/...ges/6850oc.jpg
Link to the OC results (in swedish though):
http://www.nordichardware.se/testlab...art=24#content
I have to agree wiith mr.Glow9Quote:
Originally Posted by Glow9
Back to years of ati9800pro, x700, x800.
I have more problems with ati drivers then nvidia drivers, i cant remember if i have any problem with nvidia drivers...
In house there are 3 nvidia cards! gtx260, 9800gtx and gts8600, non ati at all.
I dont give sht abaut whos better at some tests labs, im more interesting in practice usages, im allways want good drivers, it will crash if i will do max performance, then, like im able to play older game??, im able to install (3dfx)glide wrapper??? can i use PhysX too???
Good drivers makes lots of diference so my house wins 3/0 for nvidia! and that not by "performance" :cool:
Very low min FPS in Metro, even tough avg is >70
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Its actually strange, when it comes to shader power from real shaders including core speed. NV and AMD are almost exactly the same when it comes to speed in games when you include the clocks of these cards.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3987/a...ange-market/19
The 280 shader 6870 is clocked at 900 mhz and is 5% slower than a 850/1700mhz 336 shader gtx 460. To me this means NV needs to find a new way to get performance because although their shaders possess the same amount of GPU power more or less, NV way of utilizing them uses way more energy(as this card uses 50watts more of power) and they need to be able to raise clocks to compensate for AMD(1+4) shader design. To me, this means they have to get rid of all things related to the CGPU. AMD from the sounds of it, got rid of one of the last things that made its GPU a CGPU, they got rid of FP64 according to Anand to save size and energy. AMD part is strictly for gaming which is why I think it so efficient at using energy.
Nvidia needs to make two lines, which is a sad truth for them. They cannot catch up to AMD for performance per watt, if they keep on making these power consuming CGPU graphics cards. They need to do something that strictly does games.
The only glimmer of hope is from a transistor stand point, gf104 is actually pretty good because it is has 15% more transisters and if Nvidia made a made a 384 850mhz gf104, it might be 15-20 percent faster than a 6870. The problem though is with all that GPU compute part still in it, it makes getting such clocks hard and it also I can imagine would makes such a card would use just as much power as a gtx 470.
With fermi NV took a step backwards as cards like the gtx 275 and the 4890 were comparable for both power usage and speed in games. With the added functionality of fermi in regards to its computing abilities, it took a massive step back in regards to power consumption.
If Nvidia continues to keep the GPU compute parts in their cards it will be much more difficult to catch up to AMD on the frequency front and the power efficiency front.
NV needs to make a gaming line architecture and a CGPU architecture. The gaming line needs to have none of the GPU compute parts. NV needs to go back to the drawing board and remember what business it got into in the first place.
The 6870 is a monster card. It's like a 5770 - crap + awesomeness.
My concern isn't about being attacked. My concern is that I have no confidence in how people can make their statements.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glow9
There are thousands of reviews on graphics cards and out of the hundred or so I've read only one of them focused solely on drivers from each company. AMD came out looking like a dog but that information is about 5 years outdated.
It would be nice for someone to just plan out a Driver development retrospective every other generation so we have something resembling empirical data.