Running a few Hg's at load.
1.5mins for first stage, then3.5mins later im at -100c.
so would boot pc after 4mins.
Short runs seems to really help pulldown time and help with load capacity :up:
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Cascade benching on my GIG X48T and a E8500
Now this is a monster FSB for dd3 boards ;)
5875Mhz
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Outstanding work kayl, this is a nice looking unit with some nice clocks you got going there on that 8500.
Well done again Mate.
thanxs sacha, Heres a start to the next cascade :yepp:
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Why not try a tad more efficienct kayl :)
Hahahaha I'll give you that, it's Extreme ;)
Slowly been working away on the cascade ;)
CPu suction line and HX pressure tested and insulated.
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Kayl ,do You use 0.031' or 0.036' captube on second stage ?
Now thats some BIG numbers there. 5875.48 WOW
thanxs gosmeyer, the X48 mobo is fsb limited.
I got one of the new gigabyte P45 extreme motherboards to try with this next cascade. I wish i had a E8600 though for some 10x multi action 6++ghz would be alot easier :yepp:
First stage is brazed, order some more parts, once they arrive i can finish second stage :D
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Looks great Kayl, i am just wondering how did you connect the acummulator (now acting as a reciever) into the loop? Which port did you use (inlet or outlet)? Does it matter anyway?
In case of Fach 0.9L reciever, what's the best way to integrate it into the loop? Via cap tube to act as a expansion tank or as a liquid reciever (as shown here on cold_ice's cascade)? What would be the benefits of either system?
Thanks in advance, looking forward to hear some explanation.
Greets,
Niko
Thanxs niko, im using the suction accumulator as an expansion tank, Without the expansion tank i would have a static pressure of about 350psi :D
Im not sure if it matters which port i use, i went with access valve on the inlet, and captube back to the suction line on the out. THe expansion tank smoothes the pull down also when dealing with the cold bug.
Im just waiting on the solinode valve to do the hot gas bypass to the cpu head. DO you like my terminals for the mains wiring, i have to get some more links and some boot lace crimps ;)
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Thanks for the answer Kayl, will imitate this expansion tank idea on my upcoming mini build. Is there any rule-of-thumb on lenght of the cap tube connecting the expansion tank or the lenght doesn't matter much?
Terminals look great, will get them myself aswell!
Gotta love the temperatures on this cascade! :up: :yepp:
longer the captube, then longer the time to drain up/fill up exp tank, vice versa. if you plan on having lots of refrigerant inside (something like 350psi static charge), then use longer cap tube, something like 2mtr so that you can have soft compressor start, but then again when turning off compressor, it would take longer time to fill up the exp tank with longer captube, be careful on high static pressure here. 1-2 mtr is enough i think.
tiborrr as andre X_X said 1-2 mt is fine for the cap line length, anything that puts a restriction between the expansion tank to slow the gas as it enters/exits the expansion tank. I think i used around 1.5m 0.031"
Use 80cms 0,8mm cap tube to exp tank.
Place the exp tank higher than the compressor.
Thanks for advice guys, i'll repositionate it above the compressor shell.
Kayl, this cascade looks better every day. Ever though of building a three-stager with R14?
:up:
i cant get R14 here, have dreamed of using R50 but just havnt got around to trying. The way cpus are theres days my cascade is too cold for some cpus :mad:
ALmost finished the wiring now
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Hot gas bypass for cold bug switch on front pannel of cascade.
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The second stage will run automatically with the thermostate set to start/shut-down at a set temperature. THe high pressure cutoff switch monitors the pressure, killing the power to the second stage compressor if the pressure gets too high. THen automatically resets when pressure is at a safe level and start cooling.
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jesus!
that wiring is perfect!
if ya want to go completely overkill you could sleeve that but nice job!!!
if its a secret no offense... but what is the "proper" name for those fancy electrical terminals?
cheers!
Ferrules.
thanxws teyber, yes some sleeving over the wiring like on the mach2s would be perfect :yepp:
THe terminals are from the Weidmuler product range,
the doubler termanals are part number WDK 2.5N and the normal terminals are SAK2.5. THe ferrules (bootlaces) yngndrw is refering to are crimped on the end of the wires going into the terminals.
Oops sorry I mis-read the question. :D
no probs, Just need to clean up on the final wiring, and insulate the rest of the system.
Then its time to start tuning the unit on my load tester followed by some benching :up:
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basically finished the tunning on the system now, Cascade did -98c at 312w and -101 with 270w.
time to put side covers on and get ready for a bench ;)
cold bug switch on drops down to around -96c.
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What's your static like with filter and such post hx?
I've said it before, and I'll say it again,
You do fantastic work kayl.
Static pressure is only 150psi, exactly the same as the last cascade ;)
thanxs ThaLoveDocta.
For the first hour cascade idles around -110c and load -106c after 4hrs it was -104c load and -106c idle with 5.5ghz 1.95vcore on my E8500.
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And the bench results
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Down Under = On Top!!
Those 8500 are BAD
thanxs tiborrr, load tester cant really simulate a cpu, its good for ensuring a system can hold a certain load but some times you tune for too high load or not enough, only way to really know is with a cpu :D
thanxs gosmeyer :up:
1366 mount plates, they should be ready in a few weeks :yepp:
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Sorry if this has already been asked, but will current evaps need to be modified/replaced to become compatible with Nehalem? I think the 1366 chips are a tad bigger than the LGA sockets.
Nope, the core itself hasn't grown larger than the evaps so you are fine. Hell, current Chilly1 evaps don't cover the entire IHS on LGA775 ;)
It's not needed anyway. Current evap heads are really large enough for LGA1366 chips, although bigger the head, the more evaporating surface it usualy have ;p
Great work Kayl, once again! :up: :toast:
if it was water cooling ideally you would want a bigger evap, but for phase change its not such an issue.
It will be like going back to the old 50mm AMD cpus ;)
The look of your units always makes them stand out. I had no idea that even LN2 would allow for 1.95v core a 45nm! very impressive results.
Nice and low temp rise when loaded BTW
thanxs eligray. most vcore i ever run was 2.15v :D on ln2 QX9650
new plates are ready :clap:
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Where's it going off to? Someone in the AU?
Looking very good mate. :)
Can you put one in a canoe and send it my way bro? Very nice work :D
Kayl , where exactly do you measure the evap temp ?????
thanxs guys
from one side of aus to the other, Melbourne :up:
dont think i would want to send one outside Australia :shakes:
i measure mine close to the base of the evaporator. I file the side of the evap and dab the k-type probe in thermo paste rub some onto the evap and then tape her tight.
didnt run prime1024 sorry, i know with a quad core around the 84% things get real hot.
E8500 with 1.85v warmest i seen load was -104c i think after 4 hrs benching.
idle the second stage is around 200psi, after 4 hrs benching around 220psi.
low side pressure would be around 10hg idle and a few hg load
with 310w load it was a few psi load
firstage was around 4psi low and not too sure high stage pressure, under 200psi i suspect.
i dont really take much notice of die temps as it changes from motherboard to motherboard and cpu to cpu.
maybe first mount on a a cpu, i let the run pc at stock and then boot into bios and watch die temps compared to evap temps, normally a few c difference between the 2, wait till it hits 60c then shut cooler off. if i have a bad mount temps will be alot hotter and pc normally crashed before dies reach 60c. then i start the cooler and bench.
also gigabyte mobos only read down to around -8x c and no lower, at load die temps stay the same, ie colder than -8x c
cant wait to see the 790 under the cold :up:
Very useful info . Thanks for the details .:)
The reason i'm asking all these questions is cause i made a new cascade with two rotary compressors ( 30cc each one ) . I don't have very good evap temps (-107c idle , -96c with 230watt cartridge) cause the vacuum is very high (about 15hg under load) . I'm using 1.7m 0.078 ... but i think i have to try something like 1.5m (or 3m 0.091) .
Thank you Kayl again !! :up:
Adding more 1150 doesn't help the temperatures at all . Best temperature is held at 10-15hg pressure .
1st stage is always in vacuum . 5-10hg . 2nd stage liquid line at -43c ... and 2nd stage high pressure about 150psi under load . 1st stage high pressure goes up to 320-340psi (dual 0.031 captube 2.3m but maybe need to cut some)
So far , best i've managed to get was -107c idle and -96c under 200w heat load (with heat cartridge) . Room temp about 25C .
Next days I'm getting a bigger heatload (about 320W) .
I'll make a new thread soon , cause i don't like to spam your thread . :)
Sure do mate :D
My qx on a SS @ 1.75v.
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Got a slow start to my latest cascade, insulated the accumulators on each compressor. Brazed the plate hx and pressure tested it no leaks. Also checked the high pressure cut off and hot gas bypass solenoid to make sure no leaks before brazing system together.
Big thanxs to duniek for the foam inserts for my cpu heads as a result don’t need to use the circlips, now need to get some more enclosures machined to accommodate the foam inserts ;)
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Little update, pressure tested a few more sections of the cascade and have brazed the system together. Just need to get a high side pressure gauge so I can vacume the second stage ready to charge with refrigerant ;)
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Looking good. Pipework reminds me of my cascade :D
Yeap, looks ghetto :D !
Not ghetto, it has character :up: It's unique with all it's squiggles and kinks :cool:
looks a little getto, but still most proberly smallest cascade build around :D
Well its been just over a month now and cascade is still holding same pressure, time to send the cascade off.
Been doing some i7920 benching was able to bench hyper threading at 4.6ghz, cpu had cold bug at -95c or so, the cold bug switch came in handy to keep temps below that temperature. Pitty I didn’t have QX chip to really test the cascade.
Had a friend come around with his QX9650 which was really badly cold bugged at -92c. When it rebooted we had to wait till temps were below -50c before it would boot.
So no good results to post, sorry guys.
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awesome kayl! Can't wait to see what it can do with i7 :D
cant wait to see how the i7 960 goes, getting sick of ln2 benching :yepp:
Picked up some parts this week to get a start on my new cascade.
This unit will be my benching unit, triple head action CPu plus 2x gpu heads for some 3dmark benching heheh
The compressor are 1.75hp for the first stage and 1.5hp for the second stage.
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Biggest condenser that fits in my case
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well when i say sick of ln2, i mean getting up and walking over to the dewer, filling my flask then walking back to my desk. Then during a bench topping up the ln2 tube with ln2 :D I would rater walking off to the fridge to grab another beer without worrying about temps dropping while im away :up:
Cut the stainless flex lines tonight and the capillary lines.
went with 2.7m feeds to the gpu heads and 2.4m to the cpu head.
Base plate drilled, just need to pick up some wheels, bolts and washers and i cant start to bolt things in place ready to braze.
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What temps are you aiming for?
gonna use r507/ethylene?
It's funny that in my post that you quoted yesterday, when I wrote that post I knew virtually nothing about phase, and now, in the same thread, I've already successfully build a chiller :D
thanxs MeltedDuron, single stage or cascade ;)
i will use r404a/ 1150, 3 heads at -100c would be nice :yepp:
Chillers are fun to build, i built many chiller before a SS unit
Did a fair amount of brazing tonight, still need to order a few more parts to continue on.
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Brazed up the pressure gauge and also the high pressure cut off switch, will pressure test these before brazing into the system
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Looking good Kayl!!
Is that a 20plate HX or 30 it looks huge...
Looking good. I always worried about those valve pressure sensors, not worried about it leaking? Loctite the threads?
thats a good idea hey, i have loctite as well, ill do that next time :yepp:
Some pics of the new gpu enclosures i designed.
THis time mount plate at the bottom of the enclosure so i can use my Ln2 gpu mountings 2.5mm fixings.
No need to drill the mounting holes out of the gpus now ;)
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looks real nice can't wait to see how it all works out for u
Very nice build! What did you use to make the insulation mold for the evaporator? What type of insulation?
i did a drawing and got duncan from XS to make them for me, thanxs mate
thanxs mate, i also cant wait so i can use it to enter the gigabyte competition ;)
beat me if you dare
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Finished the flex lines tonight, brazed the cpu head and also one of the gpu heads. will braze the second head in a fortnight when i return from work ;)
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I am now a happy owner of a Cascade from Kayl.
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On right cascade, left is SS. I know my picture sucks but its cause I don't have a tri pod for my camera, hence I move it 1mm and the shot is ruined. Also the batteries are low, which normally means bad pictures in this camera. The SS in on a cabinet so I can wheel it around :p:
Of the flex line, i cant remember, big enough to fit 3/8" copper tube in the almost snug.
very nice fatguy1992, the first ever made cacsade ;) You should be happy with that baby :up:
little update on the cascade, almost finished both stages now, just need to braze in the 3 lines, cpu head and 2 gpus and its ready for some cold :)
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WOW i bet it weighs more than my wife!
lol^^
Depends on how slim she is ;)
well yes alot more than my wife, but not quiet as much as me :D
Managed to do the last part of the build, vacuum and charge the unit,
no load heads are around -103c and first stage -42c.
Still alot more work to do before the cascade is 100% finished, ill use it the way it is for now to get some load testing done. Then later do the electrical wiring correctly and install a gfroster controller to monitor the temps.
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cascade is up and benching. Needs some tunning though not enough flow to the graphics card heads.
-98 for the cpu head and -40c for the gpu heads.
Not bad temps though for testing benching ;)
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Wait do you mean -40C on ethylene?
That doesn't sound like you've got any flow that direction at all.
Not having much luck, this 3 head cascade is turning out to be a pain in the but.
After changing the lines and putting it all together again the cpu head couldn't hold load and was falling into the positive temps with heavy load
the gpu heads one on a graphics card and the other on the load tester were holding around -85c after a vantage 3dmark bench.
i pulled it apart to check the capillary line feed to fine that one was a little longer than the other 2, this would expalin why it couldnt hold load on the cpu head.
good point for other builders to note, as it will starve that line of refrigerant.
Second stage pressures are getting quiet high though with system all loaded, first stage isnt holding the load too well. THe condenser is too small :down: and the case cant fit a bigger condenser :(
Looks like this cascade might have to be turned into a single head cascade
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Do you mean the cascade above was your first or the first pc cascade ever?
What were your pressures with -85c gpu heads?
No no eligray, this long thread is a showcase of Kayls cascade(S)
Thanxs noob
Cant remember now last time i picked up the blow torch, but it felt really good to do it again, especially first build back being a cascade.
Heres a start to my final cascade...
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Looking good^^
thanxs sae
unit together, just have to finish some insulation and final wiring and i can start to load test this babie
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Very nice job there, nice to see old faces again building beauty's!!!
good luck !
Awsome :D Congratulations ;)
the cascade i was building is on hold as havnt heard from the owner for a few months
New cascade bigest yet, 2x 2hp compressors :weirdo:
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Looking good my down under friend.
Thanks for flipping the photo's over ;)
no problems mate, this forum is where it all originated from ;)
Unit up n running. Just need to finish the insulation and fine tune the unit under load.
Not bad almost did a cascade in a few days ;)
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