Hd5870 - $299

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Originally Posted by FischOderAal

Keeping in mind that many developers are too lazy to program efficiently, yes, he will.

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It's not called laziness. It's called very strict deadlines. You have to get the thing running, then optimize it IF you have time (Which you don't have.).


Btw, Who said anything about 300 k cards at launch? :shocked:

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Originally Posted by Tim

It's been happening for years now, the hardware is so far ahead of software development, even more so since more studios go for consoles hence the hardware envelope isn't pushed as far.

I bet you a buck that the GT300/5870 will play games on (very) high details for 2,5 to 3 years to come as well. No doubt. Crysis is the sole game that can still break hardware into a sweat, but with Yerli's prediction that till 2012 we won't see any major improvements in graphics, I'm certain that this gen will last long as well.

Still rocking my 8800GTX. Works very well still. :)

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It all depends on when next gen consoles are released. The problem here is that PC hardware is so far ahead of console hardware, that multiplatform games have to be developed to a target hw much less capable than it could if they were PC only (and Crysis is PC only...). Even if PC games (or versions) are usually played at higher resolutions, it's a long time now since PC GPUs can handle console games at Full HD.

As it's nowadays, only games that are really profitable to develope for PC only are multiplayer games (very problematic to hack and pirate), and those tend to target very low hardware requirements because its usefulness (and therefore value) grows exponentially with number of users. So probably the next jump in hw utilization will be when the next gen consoles come to the market.

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Originally Posted by Calmatory

It's not called laziness. It's called very strict deadlines. You have to get the thing running, then optimize it IF you have time (Which you don't have.).


Btw, Who said anything about 300 k cards at launch? :shocked:

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+1. Like if those poor game programers had time to be lazy...

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Originally Posted by Bo_Fox

True, but the GT200 generation was out since the same time the RV770 came out. The GT300 will be here about 2-3 months after the RV870.

ATI does not seem to hint anything that says the 5870 will be THAT MUCH better than the 4890. But then again, I hope ATI is still understating themselves, like when they said that the 4870 was only 50% faster than the 3870, when it's actually closer to 100% faster.

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Well, the most reliable piece of info about the new 5800 performance that we have right now is they're going to be "more than 2 TFLOPS" (applied to both HD5850 and HD5870, so supposedly both are going to be 2+ TFLOPS). Given that last generation was the 1 TFLOP gen (to be exact, 1 TFLOP HD4850, 1.2 TFLOPS HD4870, and 1.36 TFLOPS HD4890), that should give a pretty good idea of... theoretical compute/shader power (at least +100% against HD4850, at least ~50% against HD4890, for the HD5850, more for the HD5870). Actual real world performance remains to be seen, though...

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Originally Posted by Bo_Fox

ATI does not seem to hint anything that says the 5870 will be THAT MUCH better than the 4890.

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To my knowledge, AMD has said exactly zero about the performance of their 5xxx series stuff.

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Originally Posted by eleeter

To my knowledge, AMD has said exactly zero about the performance of their 5xxx series stuff.

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that might be a bad thing. any crappy marketing department would still throw things like "incredible", "devastating", "revolutionary" even if its not "100% better than the previous"

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Originally Posted by eleeter

To my knowledge, AMD has said exactly zero about the performance of their 5xxx series stuff.

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Only if zero = 2TFlop+ for Cypress, 1GB GDDR5, PCIe 2.0. :)

These are official information sent to partners so they know what to put on box designs.

It doesn't tell much about performance other than it will be faster than previous gen :p:

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Originally Posted by Manicdan

that might be a bad thing. any crappy marketing department would still throw things like "incredible", "devastating", "revolutionary" even if its not "100% better than the previous"

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maybe it's their plan to do exactly that and leave us mouth opened after they released it :p:

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Originally Posted by Calmatory

Btw, Who said anything about 300 k cards at launch? :shocked:

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Came from a decent source, though lots of different interpretations.
Re-reading it now it doesn't say anything about having them ready at launch, just that the order is placed.

Original/best speculation is 300k Cypress and 100k Hemlock, which sounds like a lot.

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Originally Posted by RaZz!

maybe it's their plan to do exactly that and leave us mouth opened after they released it :p:

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Well they certainly havent said anything about "HD5870 will leave your mouth open in awe!!!" so it certainly is within the realm of possibilities. However both ATI and Nvidias launches reek of the last one so I do not expect anything awe inspiring, just a good performance jump.

IDK Dainas,

I'm feeling like both incoming generations are going to be g80s :)

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Originally Posted by Manicdan

that might be a bad thing. any crappy marketing department would still throw things like "incredible", "devastating", "revolutionary" even if its not "100% better than the previous"

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Which just proves once and for all that AMD has no marketing department.

delete it...

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Originally Posted by LordEC911

Came from a decent source, though lots of different interpretations.
Re-reading it now it doesn't say anything about having them ready at launch, just that the order is placed.

Original/best speculation is 300k Cypress and 100k Hemlock, which sounds like a lot.

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I smell bull:banana::banana::banana::banana:. 300k is a ridiculous amount of cards to have available at launch, especially that high end. Its really too much. Thats how much consoles alot of companies have available at launch and they sell way better than any high end videocard and produced much further ahead of time. Even worse is the notion of 100,000 hemlock cards. Thats 100k of the super high end. Thats crazy unbelievable, as there is no way AMD could move that many as it is still a 600 dollar card.

Not only that 40nm is still not the greatest manufacturing process. If it was, we would have seen alot more 4770s, which could of sold way more if they were more readily available.

Without a source it even smells worse, especially coming from a known ATI fan.

Why makes so many cards when no matter how good the reviews are, alot of people are going to stay with the 4870 or whatever card they have. If you look at this even further, that would mean their has to be atleast 1million r8xx cards because if they have 400k of the high end, there has to be atleast a million more for the mainstream parts.

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Originally Posted by orangekiwii

IDK Dainas,

I'm feeling like both incoming generations are going to be g80s :)

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You can't have a G80 without an R600 ;) People don't care if both are fast, they'll still focus on who's faster.

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Originally Posted by tajoh111

I smell bull:banana::banana::banana::banana:. 300k is a ridiculous amount of cards to have available at launch, especially that high end. Its really too much. Thats how much consoles alot of companies have available at launch and they sell way better than any high end videocard and produced much further ahead of time. Even worse is the notion of 100,000 hemlock cards. Thats 100k of the super high end. Thats crazy unbelievable, as there is no way AMD could move that many as it is still a 600 dollar card.

Not only that 40nm is still not the greatest manufacturing process. If it was, we would have seen alot more 4770s, which could of sold way more if they were more readily available.

Without a source it even smells worse, especially coming from a known ATI fan.

Why makes so many cards when no matter how good the reviews are, alot of people are going to stay with the 4870 or whatever card they have. If you look at this even further, that would mean their has to be atleast 1million r8xx cards because if they have 400k of the high end, there has to be atleast a million more for the mainstream parts.

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Where did I say there was no source...
Look around a little and you will find it.

I said there were different interpretations.
I agree that the original intrepretation seems off.

Seeing how the first batch of RV740 was supposedly in the ~30-40k range and how quick they ran out, I don't think those numbers are completely BS.

Edit- Also yields on some Evergreen GPUs are better than 60%, RV740 was around 20-25%.
Reedit- +50million Hollywood GPUs shipped in less than 3 years.

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Originally Posted by trinibwoy

You can't have a G80 without an R600 ;) People don't care if both are fast, they'll still focus on who's faster.

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Thats not what happened last round. There wasn't much more focus on the faster single gpu card.

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Originally Posted by Farinorco

Well, the most reliable piece of info about the new 5800 performance that we have right now is they're going to be "more than 2 TFLOPS" (applied to both HD5850 and HD5870, so supposedly both are going to be 2+ TFLOPS). Given that last generation was the 1 TFLOP gen (to be exact, 1 TFLOP HD4850, 1.2 TFLOPS HD4870, and 1.36 TFLOPS HD4890), that should give a pretty good idea of... theoretical compute/shader power (at least +100% against HD4850, at least ~50% against HD4890, for the HD5850, more for the HD5870). Actual real world performance remains to be seen, though...

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Awesome, then I'm so totally looking forward to it!! :yepp: That would almost 100% accurately translate to a 100% performance increase for me! As the 4870 has nearly double the trannies of a 3870, and a 100% perf. increase, it should be pretty much the same, but since a lot of the trannies will go for the increase in ROP's (from 16 to 32, apparently), it might just be a 90% increase instead of 100% increase.. :ROTF:

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Originally Posted by LordEC911

Where did I say there was no source...
Look around a little and you will find it.

I said there were different interpretations.
I agree that the original intrepretation seems off.

Seeing how the first batch of RV740 was supposedly in the ~30-40k range and how quick they ran out, I don't think those numbers are completely BS.

Edit- Also yields on some Evergreen GPUs are better than 60%, RV740 was around 20-25%.
Reedit- +50million Hollywood GPUs shipped in less than 3 years.

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Sure 50 million hollywould units have shipped, but that was on mature process and on a chip they already had great yeilds on since its based on the flipper already found in the gamecube but 2x the performance. This thing is brand spanking new.

Additionally and most importantly, there is room for 50 million chips because it is a gaming console and the demand is there, and customers are already lined up.

I doubt AMD needs to have 300k of its highend at launch, when there is no buzz or demand for that number. The 4770 was a mainstream, low priced part so the demand was there since this is likely the highest volume market, and even here they only made 40k. I doubt they need 300k radeon 5870 because if they had that many, they would have been making these cards for months, and should have released it late july or august. They would have made a killing catching the summer market and having no competion for the rest of the year. Now they are releasing when school just starting. Its not the best time.

I doubt AMD going to be able to generate the buzz to those who might listen since their marketing department is garbage, and they only have a month before the card is released.

Get ready for the flood.:rofl:

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Originally Posted by tajoh111

Sure 50 million hollywould units have shipped, but that was on mature process and on a chip they already had great yeilds on since its based on the flipper already found in the gamecube but 2x the performance. This thing is brand spanking new.

Additionally and most importantly, there is room for 50 million chips because it is a gaming console and the demand is there, and customers are already lined up.

I doubt AMD needs to have 300k of its highend at launch, when there is no buzz or demand for that number. The 4770 was a mainstream, low priced part so the demand was there since this is likely the highest volume market, and even here they only made 40k. I doubt they need 300k radeon 5870 because if they had that many, they would have been making these cards for months, and should have released it late july or august. They would have made a killing catching the summer market and having no competion for the rest of the year. Now they are releasing when school just starting. Its not the best time.

I doubt AMD going to be able to generate the buzz to those who might listen since their marketing department is garbage, and they only have a month before the card is released.

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Again, I corrected myself.
The 300k and 100k units that were ordered didn't say anything about being ready for launch.
That could be the number ordered for the next 6 months, year, life of the card, we don't know.

hmm

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Jon Peddie Research (JPR) covering the state of graphics add-in board market reveals that Q2 2009 has been a better quarter than Q1, but still worse compared to last year. This quarter, around 16.81 million units were shipped

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http://www.techpowerup.com/102477/Gr...n_Q2_2009.html

with amd's 35% of 16.81 million units for a quarter

and i think that 300k was first order of all new cards but the x2

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Originally Posted by bill_d

hmm



http://www.techpowerup.com/102477/Gr...n_Q2_2009.html

with amd's 35% of 16.81 million units for a quarter

and i think that 300k was first order of all new cards but the x2

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Supposedly just Cypress cards.
The original source made a nice riddle out of it.

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Originally Posted by LordEC911

Supposedly just Cypress cards.
The original source made a nice riddle out of it.

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that still 5850's and 5870's in some mix 300k maybe low
they'll sell a lot more than normal the first quarter after launch :shrug:

I can't believe there have been almost no leaks as far as specs/performance goes. Besides wild speculation, things are eerily silent.

The 48xx launch was like this too... basically people were still believing 480SP instead of 800SP for quite some time and nothing was confirmed until retailers started selling cards and thus we had leaks and it became obvious that it was 800SP's

^ so we could even get 2000SP's+?

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Originally Posted by Helloworld_98

^ so we could even get 2000SP's+?

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I'd make my bet on 2 TFLOPS HD5850, and 2.4 TFLOPS HD5870. There's an official info for partners of Cypress having "more than 2 TFLOPS!" (supposedly so they can design the boxes, advertising and all) on it.

Depending on clocks, that could mean several things. For example, at same clocks than previous generation, it would mean 1600SP. With lower clocks, more. With higher clocks, less. Anyway, their final computing performance is going to be the same, because the number of instructions per time unit is going to be the same. That's it, "more than 2 TFLOPS" for Cypress...

Given this info, and the rumored chip size, I'd say 1600SP, but it's the same 1600SP @625 MHz than 1200SP @833 MHz than 2000SP @500 MHz. They're all 2 TFLOPS.

Has 256bit memory bus / 1Gb vram been confirmed yet?

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Originally Posted by LiquidReactor

Has 256bit memory bus / 1Gb vram been confirmed yet?

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We have like no information still... :rolleyes:

Assuming they havent done anything radical like split shader and core clocks, the 1600 SP @ 625MHz for a 5850 sounds the most reasonable for 2 TFlops. Higher clocks make it harder to achieve yields, and 500 MHz just seems too low.

Wow, almost "launch" time and no concrete info, ATI has a tight lip on this one hehe.

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Originally Posted by LiquidReactor

Has 256bit memory bus / 1Gb vram been confirmed yet?

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Not completely but there was reports of 8 ICs under the Cypress heatsink from a week or so ago.

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Originally Posted by Sh1tyMcGee

Wow, almost "launch" time and no concrete info, ATI has a tight lip on this one hehe.

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It's gonna be a long 14 days. I keep refreshing this thread in the hopes of some nice info, but nadda! :ROTF:

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Originally Posted by Farinorco

I'd make my bet on 2 TFLOPS HD5850, and 2.4 TFLOPS HD5870. There's an official info for partners of Cypress having "more than 2 TFLOPS!" (supposedly so they can design the boxes, advertising and all) on it.

Depending on clocks, that could mean several things. For example, at same clocks than previous generation, it would mean 1600SP. With lower clocks, more. With higher clocks, less. Anyway, their final computing performance is going to be the same, because the number of instructions per time unit is going to be the same. That's it, "more than 2 TFLOPS" for Cypress...

Given this info, and the rumored chip size, I'd say 1600SP, but it's the same 1600SP @625 MHz than 1200SP @833 MHz than 2000SP @500 MHz. They're all 2 TFLOPS.

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Sounds good, 5850 Xfire will be a nice upgrade from my 4870 1gb xfire, if these numbers hold true... I just really hope they have a good cooling solution, I hate having to wait, or customize on launch.

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Originally Posted by villa1n

Sounds good, 5850 Xfire will be a nice upgrade from my 4870 1gb xfire, if these numbers hold true... I just really hope they have a good cooling solution, I hate having to wait, or customize on launch.

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That too, if the sockets are different and we have to wait till the verge of arrival of next gen cards for custom cooling to replace the crappy loud stock cooling, I'm out.

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Originally Posted by RagzaroK

That too, if the sockets are different and we have to wait till the verge of arrival of next gen cards for custom cooling to replace the crappy loud stock cooling, I'm out.

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+1 im fed up with the wait, I hope swiftech can get an adapter for my block out quicker than the last gen

I believe I have read somewhere in this forums that the leaked images of the HD5870 cooler shows that the mounting it's the same than HD4000 series, like they were the same than HD3000 series, like they were the same than X1000 series (the different one was HD2000 I think) so it seems that a GPU block / cooler (while it isn't full cover) for the previous gen should be compatible with this one...

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Originally Posted by Farinorco

I believe I have read somewhere in this forums that the leaked images of the HD5870 cooler shows that the mounting it's the same than HD4000 series, like they were the same than HD3000 series, like they were the same than X1000 series (the different one was HD2000 I think) so it seems that a GPU block / cooler (while it isn't full cover) for the previous gen should be compatible with this one...

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Thats pretty cool if true, just hope they get a vpu/ram cover out quick

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Originally Posted by eleeter

I can't believe there have been almost no leaks as far as specs/performance goes. Besides wild speculation, things are eerily silent.

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AMD might have something special on their hands and simple doesn't want to tip off Nvidia while THEY ramp up their marketing and production cycles.

I believe the 10th of September cannot come soon enough ;)
Would be amazing if the HD4850 replacement dubbed the HD5850 IS indeed a 2 terraflop card...unless nVidia has something truly magnificent up their sleeves ATi are onto a winner.
My prediction for this round is that ATi will have higher performance for Hardware Tessellation , however nVidia will be better at DirectX Compute.
The rest...who knows, but one thing is for certain and that is the reviews will be highly anticipated, praised and disputed.
John

I don't know about tesselation or compute or any other DirectX features, but I think NVIDIA will be better at OpenCL (because of its resemblance to CUDA). But who knows.

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Originally Posted by JohnZS

..but one thing is for certain and that is the reviews will be highly anticipated, praised and disputed.
John

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One thing we can all agree on.

i havent read though this entire thread

but things are on track for paper sept 10th right?

then late Sept will be launch?

I just hope there is enough to match demand, i remember when 4870 came out last year, it was crazy trying to get a card. I somehow managed to grab one off NCIX..the 512mb 4870

wish i had just waited a lil bit longer..lawl 1G's came out very fast. I recently got a 24' BenQ monitor, and the 512mb is not quite cutting in a couple games i play. At the time I didnt see the point in paying more just for the 1Gb refresh...but the time is now i think

Anyone think a Q6600@3.6 will be bottlenecking the new 5850/70 cards?

probably a dumb question.

I highly doubt the q6600 @ 3.6 will bottleneck especially as newer games will use all 4 cores.

a 3.6ghz q6600 vs a I920 I7 at 3.6 there will be a difference, but hardly any bottleneck wise

yah, a q6600 at 3.6 is still one of the top processors out there. Much better if you have it on an x48, x38, or p45 rather than a p965, 975, or p35. Only a few processors are more competitive or near that level... high-end denebs @ 3.4g+, E8xxx @ 4.0g+, high-end yorkfields @ 3.4g+, and i7's @ 3.0g+. These are all top of the line processors, so your Q6600 @ 3.6 should be good for quite some time, and will hang in there with the denebs, nehalems & yorkfields, and likely outlive the E8xxx's.

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Originally Posted by jaredpace

yah, a q6600 at 3.6 is still one of the top processors out there. Much better if you have it on an x48, x38, or p45 rather than a p965, 975, or p35. Only a few processors are more competitive or near that level... high-end denebs @ 3.4g+, E8xxx @ 4.0g+, high-end yorkfields @ 3.4g+, and i7's @ 3.0g+. These are all top of the line processors, so your Q6600 @ 3.6 should be good for quite some time, and will hang in there with the denebs, nehalems & yorkfields, and likely outlive the E8xxx's.

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Lol, you sorta touched on my only concern with my current setup. Damn p35 and only having PCI-e 1.1. I hope it doesn't get a bottleneck due to lack of bandwidth. Oh well, I need a new card and I'll find out when I get it.

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Originally Posted by Soultaker52

Lol, you sorta touched on my only concern with my current setup. Damn p35 and only having PCI-e 1.1. I hope it doesn't get a bottleneck due to lack of bandwidth. Oh well, I need a new card and I'll find out when I get it.

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It won't, he's only talking about crossfire setups. P35 and their irk are garbage for that.

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Originally Posted by Dainas

It won't, he's only talking about crossfire setups. P35 and their irk are garbage for that.

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Ah, true. That they are with their silly 4xPCI-e 1.1, lol. Any other thoughts on if I'll be fine with just PCI-e 1.1? I'm not exactly a fan of dual-card or dual-chip, so no worries there.

If im building a rig to sell on ebay, almost the same as my sig (6gb of DDR3, differnt video card, 1tb storage drive) should I wait till these new 5870's are launched or get a 4890 now for the build? The 5870's are coming out within a couple weeks right?

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Originally Posted by TheCarLessDriven

If im building a rig to sell on ebay, almost the same as my sig (6gb of DDR3, differnt video card, 1tb storage drive) should I wait till these new 5870's are launched or get a 4890 now for the build? The 5870's are coming out within a couple weeks right?

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I say wait a few weeks for the reviews and actual stats come out. Also, BlackFriday and CyberMonday is comming up in a couplee of months. I'm sure at least SOMEONE will have a sale price on the 5870s. :)

VR-ZONE

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More Details about ATI Eyefinity Technology
Published on Thursday, August 27 2009 11:19 pm by Visionary

ATI Eyefinity technology is something pretty cool that will be available the upcoming Radeon HD 5800 series. It allows you to extend your game view across 3 displays like the Matrox TripleHead2Go except that it gonna be much more powerful. That's over 12 megapixels at 2560 x 1600 resolution for the ultimate gaming experience. It is ideal for flight sim, racing games, role paying games, real-time strategy, first-person shooter and even multimedia apps. So how powerful exactly this card is?

This card sports a 2nd gen TeraScale engine that delivers more than 2 teraFLOPS of processing power. With so much power pack inside, it supports a new anisotropic filtering method too. If one isn't enough, you can get up to 1.8X graphics performance boost by pairing them up. The launch is around the corner and reviews will start popping out by middle of September Stay tuned for more information.

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Hope all this hype is true, ATI doing some big things now, nvidia is still quiet as a mouse, i have a feeling they are going to be in trouble again.

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Originally Posted by Heinz68

VR-ZONE

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oh boy, i have 3x24" screens and it is a pain to get some games to work with all 3 monitors. i managed to get TF2 working with all 3, it was purely insane.

but i wonder, will i be able to use 3 monitors on 1 card now somehow?

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Originally Posted by jaredpace

yah, a q6600 at 3.6 is still one of the top processors out there. Much better if you have it on an x48, x38, or p45 rather than a p965, 975, or p35. Only a few processors are more competitive or near that level... high-end denebs @ 3.4g+, E8xxx @ 4.0g+, high-end yorkfields @ 3.4g+, and i7's @ 3.0g+. These are all top of the line processors, so your Q6600 @ 3.6 should be good for quite some time, and will hang in there with the denebs, nehalems & yorkfields, and likely outlive the E8xxx's.

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Im just transferring to a p45 board i got on the cheap, Gigabyte UD3P. the IP35 Pro is getting retired, and will be kept for a long time..it was afterall the last good ABIT(rip) board. A keeper

its hard to believe these chips came out in late 2006..and are still ticking like champs on most set ups for people.

will hold me off until early 2011 when westmere is out, or that rumored AMD monolithic 12 core beast..drool

might be able to squeeze a bit more with the Gigabyte over the ip35. The 4phase on the ip35, and the vdroop problems kept the chip back a bit.

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Originally Posted by Heinz68

VR-ZONE

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grrr, then I must buy new monitors :D
Playing mmog this would rock.

Need to buy 2 more SyncMaster™ 305T-black's :D

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Originally Posted by strange|ife

or that rumored AMD monolithic 12 core beast..drool

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I don't think it is a monolithic core, but rather a MCM and is a server product, not being targetted for the desktop.

Since these cards are over 2TFlops, wouldn't it be possible to have a 2000SP @ 625MHz for the 5850, and 2000SP at 750MHz for the 5870?

yes

but speculated Tflops are 2 for the x850 and 2.4 for the x870

which means 2000 shaders would be at 500 mhz... which is kinda lame imo... would mean they have good yields but probably not great binning

i'd much rather have 1600 shaders at 625 for the x850 and then 1600 at 750 (maybe 800 or something) for the x870

there have also been rumored to be two versions of the x870 level card with perhaps one seeing 2000 shaders at 750 but WHO KNOWS that personally would seem to complicate things instead of just making a bunch of super binned products

1600 SP @700 MHz for Cypress Pro and @850 MHz for Cypress XT ? Should be doable with the current (more mature & higher yielding) 40 nm process.

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Originally Posted by Helloworld_98

Since these cards are over 2TFlops, wouldn't it be possible to have a 2000SP @ 625MHz for the 5850, and 2000SP at 750MHz for the 5870?

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Nope, at least not for the 5870.
No marketing team is that bad that they wouldn't be throwing out higher numbers...

If running 3 screens with eyefinity support, what kind of gpu ram would be needed, I think 1gb wont cut it?

I play MMOG, so that kind of support makes me really like what is coming.

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Originally Posted by flopper

If running 3 screens with eyefinity support, what kind of gpu ram would be needed, I think 1gb wont cut it?

I play MMOG, so that kind of support makes me really like what is coming.

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Running games on Triple Display is nothing new,it's been here for 4-5 years atleast with products like Matrox Triple Head being some of the best price/quality and 1GB Vram was more than enough for most MMORPG games,the only ones I think may need more horespower are Age Of Conan and Aion.

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Originally Posted by XS2K

it's been here for 4-5 years atleast with products like Matrox Triple Head being some of the best price/quality

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I wouldn't call 250 Euro cheap...
http://geizhals.at/deutschland/a252304.html

Yes, it's been there a few years, but getting something like that for free is better than paying, don't you think?

Triplehead to go is a semi-professional device,it's price is ok-ish,it's not cheap,I haven't said it's cheap only good in the price/performance department,if you want 3 displays I think u could use a SLi/Crossfire setup?
Thumbs up for ATi for giving this,and I agree that it's better to have something free than to pay for it,all I was saying is that this triple display thing is nothing new,it's been done for a long time with slower GPU's and you don't need a monster GPU to play some washed out game like Warcraft or other MMORPG the only problem in some cases is the inability of the game to run on triple displays,see widescreen gaming forum for that.

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Originally Posted by FischOderAal

I wouldn't call 250 Euro cheap...
http://geizhals.at/deutschland/a252304.html

Yes, it's been there a few years, but getting something like that for free is better than paying, don't you think?

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That product is now basically obsolete. It's only a matter of time before Nvidia do the same.

Another first for ATI.

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Originally Posted by tdream

That product is now basically obsolete. It's only a matter of time before Nvidia do the same.

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kind of, and i feel bad for matrox seeing that they're losing just another market. however, i don't think triplehead2go will be obsolete, as it's mostly gamers who won't need it anymore.

any new infos on these??

You don't even need a TH2GO to play in 3 screens; there's a software to enable it: SoftTH (SOFTware TripleHead). I've been using it for like 6 months or so now, and it works wonders, even on different size / aspect ratio monitors (I'm using 1 wide 20" and 2 "square" 17s). The only requirement is for the game to render in DX8 or DX9, it's not compatible with DX10 yet, but hey... It's free. You can download it on kegetys.net. Oh, you also need 3 video outputs, so 2 cards (or one of the GTX295 kind) are required.

Still, if this generation includes this feature natively and it works well, that could make me upgrade sooner than I thought... And even "changing sides" :D

As much as I like my 24", this would make 3 20-22" quite attractive for both the odd game and more so for A/V work as well as epic multitasking :)

Firefox across 3 LCDs... What do you mean his sig is too long? Its only 1 line XD

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Originally Posted by NeXaR

You don't even need a TH2GO to play in 3 screens; there's a software to enable it: SoftTH (SOFTware TripleHead). I've been using it for like 6 months or so now, and it works wonders, even on different size / aspect ratio monitors (I'm using 1 wide 20" and 2 "square" 17s). The only requirement is for the game to render in DX8 or DX9, it's not compatible with DX10 yet, but hey... It's free. You can download it on kegetys.net. Oh, you also need 3 video outputs, so 2 cards (or one of the GTX295 kind) are required.

Still, if this generation includes this feature natively and it works well, that could make me upgrade sooner than I thought... And even "changing sides" :D

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hum, and how am i supposed to play with 3 screens when i only got 2 dvi ports on my graphics card? ;)

I said it; you need a secondary card for the third output, or one of the dual GPU cards. (the secondary can be a cheap 8400GS, for example, the rendering work is always done in the primary card)

I guess we'll have to see what the corp whores do with initial pricing. I was impressed with Ati's aggressive pricing on the 48XX series and they did a hell of a job engineering a cost effective card with solid performance. Nvidia seems to think that consumers have an itch to bail them out and overpay for ineffective manufacturing designs. I'm curious to see what they do next because they can't be this pathetic. Mind you, most of my cards have been nvidia, but only because of timing and cheap step-ups.

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Originally Posted by Soultaker52

Ah, true. That they are with their silly 4xPCI-e 1.1, lol. Any other thoughts on if I'll be fine with just PCI-e 1.1? I'm not exactly a fan of dual-card or dual-chip, so no worries there.

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Your fine, PCIe 1.0 16x is plenty, even with lower ram amounts (amounts you wouldn't want in the first place :D ). The 2.0 standard really was for enhanced 1-4x slot throughput and multi gpu setups. Gotta tell you I'm much more looking forward to this card as time passes by, really would love to build and uber Deneb system with my MSI board.

This should be interesting. I might have to buy ATi for my next gen.

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Originally Posted by Warboy

This should be interesting. I might have to buy ATi for my next gen.

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:clap:

I too may get a 5870 on launch, 8800GTS needs retiring and having 3x DVI while not something I will be using immediately it will encourage me too... chicken and the egg situation in this case ATI comes to the rescue and Samsung and other TFT companies probably cried when it was announced, cried tears of joy. :D

ps sigged

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Originally Posted by Chad Boga

I don't think it is a monolithic core, but rather a MCM and is a server product, not being targetted for the desktop.

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He is talking about 2011 not 2010. By that time frame a 12 core bulldozer and sandy bridge is plausible. Other than that Intel cheap westmere with 6 cores aka i9.

The 16 core amd will also be launched in 2011 for servers.

A solid eight-core is what's needed not twelve core's that will get 40% usage.:shrug:

cant wait for this the ol' 8800gts (640) is in need of replacing - 1.5/2 months is not going to go fast enough!

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Originally Posted by Dainas

Your fine, PCIe 1.0 16x is plenty, even with lower ram amounts (amounts you wouldn't want in the first place :D ). The 2.0 standard really was for enhanced 1-4x slot throughput and multi gpu setups. Gotta tell you I'm much more looking forward to this card as time passes by, really would love to build and uber Deneb system with my MSI board.

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I disagree, the PCIe 1.0 16x might have a bandwidth limitation as it only has 4GB/s of bandwidth, the 4890 uses 3.9GB/s of bandwidth so the 58xx's will probably use more.

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Originally Posted by Helloworld_98

I disagree, the PCIe 1.0 16x might have a bandwidth limitation as it only has 4GB/s of bandwidth, the 4890 uses 3.9GB/s of bandwidth so the 58xx's will probably use more.

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Does it really? I've never seen that figure before. What exactly would we use to measure throughput over the PCI-E bus?

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Originally Posted by Oberon

Does it really? I've never seen that figure before. What exactly would we use to measure throughput over the PCI-E bus?

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I'll try and dig it up, but I saw those figure's about a week ago.

edit: here we go, link

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edit: here we go, link

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Those numbers are worthless and the guy that originally presented them is mighty confused.
Memory bandwidth, or rather the throughput-per-pin he's talking about has absolutely nothing to do with the amount of data going through PCIe link.
Ignore those numbers.

RV870 is 1.6 times faster than RV770

DirectX 11 40nm leap

We've heard that ATI's soon to lunch DirectX 11 performance card, something that we know as RV870 and something that AMD calls Evergreen, should be roughly 1.6 times faster than the RV770 chip.

RV770 is the chip behind ATI's Radeon HD 4870 card and it showed quite good performance, so this 1.6 times performance increase can give you a general idea that the new chip should be quite fast.

Of course 1.6 times is the best case scenario and it should be less than that in some cases, but overall this 40nm chip should be a good step forward for ATI.

The big issue is that by late November Nvidia might launch its Geforce GT300 chip, that might end up even faster, but at the same time Nvidia's DirectX 11, 40nm chip will also be bigger and probably hotter as well.


Source : Fudzilla



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Soon to lunch ey? Yum. :D

Hrmm, (alleged) doubling of shaders and (allegedly) only 1.6 times the performance? I either call shenanigans on one or both of those numbers or TSMC still has some issues with the 40nm process.

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Originally Posted by Oberon

Hrmm, (alleged) doubling of shaders and (allegedly) only 1.6 times the performance? I either call shenanigans on one or both of those numbers or TSMC still has some issues with the 40nm process.

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it's Fudzilla, so he probably just made it up.

his math is wrong, any of us idiots know, the shirnk to 40nm gave them 60% more for the same area, and this chip is a good 40% bigger than the 770. and my math is so uber i know 40% + 60% = 100% (yes this was half a joke, but if ATI gives us just a 60% increase for being so much better and on a smaller process, they fail big time)

That math is uberly wrong in too many ways to list. I wouldn't be surprised by 60% increase in performance although it would be much more upgrade-worthy if it was more.

hey there are many people waiting for this to replace his 8800gts. like me :D

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Originally Posted by kromosto

hey there are many people waiting for this to replace his 8800gts. like me :D

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I'm with you on that. I think its time to upgrade from the 8800GT. I just hope I can play Crysis 2.:ROTF:

Either it's BS or he's talking about 5850 (Based on rv870)

He probably meant only number of sps in these chips. 800*1.6 = 1280 quite possible

IMHO, 1280 SP for RV870 = failure, even if it has a pretty nice clock in it, IF the efficiency of the mArch stays about the same.

imo the chip is too large for having only 1280sp...

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Originally Posted by kromosto

hey there are many people waiting for this to replace his 8800gts. like me :D

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Yeees, it's time for the 8800GTS to go :p:

1.6x times better then rv770 is essentially better then 4870x2 , perfect .

For the 5850.:up:

I got a 8800 GTS 512 and it's a pretty good card (1680X1050) but I expect an upgrade near february 2010.

One question : I got a good old P5B Deluxe with PCIe X16 1.0.
This board is enough for the RV870 or GT300 at bandwidth's level or not ?

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Originally Posted by Olivon

I got a 8800 GTS 512 and it's a pretty good card (1680X1050) but I expect an upgrade near february 2010.

One question : I got a good old P5B Deluxe with PCIe X16 1.0.
This board is enough for the RV870 or GT300 at bandwidth's level or not ?

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Its okkk, we were talking about it a few posts up.

+1, should be fine, Dual cards WILL take a hit this time around though