this board is really nice i could do 620MHz on air but i think its the ram cant do much more.
http://www.imgx.org/thumbs/small/21336_thqtj/620.JPG
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this board is really nice i could do 620MHz on air but i think its the ram cant do much more.
http://www.imgx.org/thumbs/small/21336_thqtj/620.JPG
I'm glad it was obvious to you after the fact. It was not to me because 449 was 1 hour prime stable, 450 was a complete avalanche needing a bios restore. That seemed too drastic. I'm happy one more piece of the puzzle has been added for all of us that are ignorant. Thanks for your help solving the matter.
thats nice but what can u get stable?
heres mine,bulletproof,amazing temps,voltages. 3.6 ddr860 4-4-4-12 voltages are crazy low,this tells me i have a winner of a cpu chip in my hands(priceless)
eyeball that nb and fsb term vtt volts...
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j1.../24_7setup.jpg
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j1.../24_7setup.jpg
heres 4 ghz without even trying but it dont count it being worth squat cause i didnt tweak it to be stable and not really into hi voltages\temps for no more fps in games.let alone degration on my cpu for no gain in gaming.
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j1...cassuperpi.jpg
4ghz ddr900 4-4-4-12 noticed no gains in anything excpet pointless super pi time.
[IMG]http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j1...cassuperpi.jpg[/IMG]
Glad it worked .
Like you, I found it nightmare to overclock past 449, took a while to get there, this was with trial and error, not easy when you are overclocking your first quad core and threads like this weren't available. Most people seem to be overclocking dual cores and not many quad cores. Also quite a few people were saying the I45 was not good for clocking quads, so i wasn't sure that my board coukld actually get past 449.
I am still new to overclocking noob
I am using gskill PQ PC2-8000C5 memory.
As Ace-a-rue says Auto setting is fine for dual cores, but as ddogg and me have found out , it needs to be tweaked for quad core (i have a q9300)
@mrcape
If adjusting gtls was so obvious, why didn't you offer advice to ddogg, when you could see he was struggling to get past 449.
Not everyone is an expert overclocker like you seem to think you are.:down:
To end on a positive i'm really glad I bought this motherboard and hope other people have some good overclocking adventures on what is a fine motherboard.
Well done Biostar!
Thanks farookh!
I have another question related to older LGA775 CPUs.
Does this mobo support for example Celeron D 347 and P4 631?
Some say P45 should support them but it depends on manufacturer...
Ace-a-Rue, I have looked this CPU support list several times last week.
I formulated my last post wrong.
What I meant was why doesn't Biostar support older CPUs?
Hopefully it will with newer BIOS?
good question!...try to look up at intel's site to see if you can find the specs for the P45 and see if it mentions what cpu's it would support.
500 1-1 Ballistix PL-9 3.750 Quad9450@1.44v
Some screens of a 1-1 config using 4 Ballistix 6400 @2.2v
I don't think I'll use this for 24/7 as voltages have to be up considerably 1.44 VCore, fsb 1.6, NB 1.54. Maybe once I really feel it is stable I'll try to pull the NB and FSB down. I did lower the DDR voltage to 2.2 v a while after doing the screen. Seems to be holding up ok.
Those ballistix should do 4-4-4 easily @ 500. maybe take 2 out and just keep the best ones in for today. get a fan on them crank up the vdimm and post another screen
very good quad overclock.
The damn Intel homepage support sucks. Can't find any info there (probably I'm n00b).
OK, seems supporting older Celerons was my mistake. But Pentiums should work. For example:
http://support.asus.com/cpusupport/c...=P5Q%20Premium
Thanks, trans am,
What do feel an acceptable push volage would be on the Ballistix ... Maybe 2.4 or 2.5?
Also, the Gskill 8500 will run at 500, but seems to need pl 10 to be stable which costs me 300 MB/s in MemTest. Anybody know any tricks with some other voltage or memory adjustment that might stabilize it at pl9? I really don't want to fry it and 2.3v did not stabilize it, yet 300 MB/s is substantial.
I may be better off sticking with 465/560 on a 5/6 multiplier, but 500/2000 just sounds better.
the pentiums could work or they might not on this biostar board...the lowest common denominator on their chart is celeron dual core...i guess you could try it to see if it posts.
other thing you could do is email tech support and ask them...sometimes the website postings could be behind with the updates.
you could try RAS to CAS delay for read and write at = 6 and then set PL=9, but that will slow it down in speed...remember, the L2 cache and having four cores puts a huge strain on the memory and MCH, which is why you will have a difficult time getting above 470 FSB.
I popped out the Ballistix and put in the GSkill without changing settings and it seems to be holding up so far. Maybe I forgot to change something when I was comparing before. So much stuff to keep up with. Here is where I am on the GSkill:
/add: btw, I also tested some 2x1g Mushkin 6400 and a new set of 2x1g Dominator 8500. Neither could hold up. The Mushkin came close but the Dominator, on my particular board with this CPU, is nothing but trash. Lucky to hit 400. Hopefully others will fair better with it, but it is so bad I'm gonna stick it in an ECS board (to give you my perspective :) )
I'll try comparing PL10 against changing ras to cas r&w=6 on the GSkill 8500. Thanks for the suggestion.
your cpu-z and memset screens show p45 with ddr3 some bug I guess/
The first thing you need to do is open you case. Do you have an extra fan laying around anywhere? You are going to need a fan if you want to do this. With the case upright place a fan on the top of you video card. (make sure its a plastic fan or else you will short out the video card). You don't need to mount the fan just let it stand upright and aim it blowing in the direction of your memory dimms. If you have a 120mm fan you should be able to hit the NB at the same time. Once you have the fan going boot up and get in the bios. drop you cpu multi to 7 to take the cpu out of the equation. You want to concentrate on ram clocking now.
get in the mem settings and run 4-4-4-15 to start out. keep rest on auto. increase vdimm .5 mhz and reboot. keep doing this until you can get windows to load. once in windows open cpuz and check the timings . then open superpi and run a 1m run. if it passes go for a 8m run. If you get errors reboot and raise vdimm some more. try not to exceed 2.5v keep messing around. play with nb voltage a bit. start at 1.35 and keep going up. some times lower NB voltage can help. higher is not always better. but 1.5v seems about right for this. if 4-4-4 @500mhz doesnt work at all drop your fsb to 450 and go from there.
7.5 @500mhz 5-5-5 and run a spi 1m run and see how fast it goes
try running multi at 8 x 469 (3752mhz) fsb 1:1 at 4-4-4- and run spi and compare the time and report back
you are discovering the sweet spot of your cpu and now you need to find the sweet spot of your ram so you have maximum performance.
get the fan over the dimms and do waht I said
run the same cpu frequency as before 3.7xxghx 7.5 * 500 and run spi 1m
reboot and set multi at 8 at 469 or 470fsb and ram at 4-4-4- run spi 1m again and compare. if its stable keep raising the fsb
also try 5-4-5 or 5-5-4 anythings better than 5-5-5.
superpi is one of many benches..passing 1M, 8M or 16M does not make it a stable system...i would bet if you are trying for high FSB using 4-4-4-12, it won't pass the mustard with SuperPI or EVEN the new intel burn test.
Must be a telepathy thing going on as I did all that near exactly as you suggested (this ain't my first ram BBQ). No way in hell you, me, or anybody else is going to do 4-4-4-x at anywhere close to 500 on this particular board and CPU with Ballistix 6400. Best I could do was like 465 9t 4-4-4-15. Frankly I think the fixation on 4-4-4-12 is a throwback to the old days and is not necessarily the target on the later Intel Chipsets.
To give a perspective, @450 all 4's you are looking at 5035 MB/s in MemTest. All 5's give you 4861. Sure that is a bit, but at 500 all 5's I'm doing near 6000 MB/s. I guess if a board and a set of ram would both do the same fsb then certainly one would want to go tighter all things considered but that is impossible. On the other hand I've seen encoding apps drop speed when the timings are too tight.
<Edited out dumb rant on dumb benchmarks>
Btw, 12.50 second SuperPi
Got my board Friday, just waiting on my new cpu block to show up. (should be here the same day as the hurricane :rolleyes: )
Good work ddogg, nice to see you hit 500mhz, I have got to 500mhz, but not managed to stablize it yet.
Having fun trying though.:)
At least we know that the board is capable of reaching 500mhz on the 45nm quads.
My board gets delivered today. I'll see what two wolfdales get regarding fsb. I'd like to see 600Mhz on air. :D
As far as ram goes If I can't pull off 500Mhz 4-4-4-x, I'll be quite pisxxd.
:) Hey I think this was just bad communication on my part. Wasn't trying to be a jerk about it, especially since you probably haven't dealt with those on recent chipsets. I also forgot that you are on a quad which is a diff game. One thing to note though, GTLs will differ from chip to chip so you can't really advise gtl settings across the board.
Good luck!
No issues with 333/667 333/800 dividers. Didn't experiment much with straps other than 1066 1333.
@ DDogg -
Here's a nice ref. for GTL info:
http://ocxtreme.org/main/?q=node/1
Anybody runnin a Q6600 and 8gb on this board??? I'd kinda like to know how it clocks 8gb before i get one....:cool:
Thanks so much for that link. It has a ton of info I need to refresh myself. So much of this stuff is changed in the last few years. I hope to pick your brain on some of the finer points once I can ask the intelligent question.
I'm pretty happy with the progress I've made, but I know I have been using a brute approach. I'd like to learn some of the finer points so I don't throw so much unneeded voltage around. Btw, this whole "strap" thing is not clear to me. Any suggestions? I'm using 1333
how is this motherboard for quad cpu + micron ddr2 overclocking on air?
cpu is q9450, ram is 4x1GB micron d9gmh.
I am trying to choose between this motherboard and p5q deluxe.
You might want to take more than 5 seconds and read back a few pages. Check around and see what the higher FSB's on the p5q are with the 9450. With the BioStar TP-I45 I've done a stable 500 x 7.5 = 3.750 Ghz with 2x2 Gskill 8500 and 4x1 Ballistix 6400 which I know is pretty decent from reading about other boards.
I've tried some other ram which turned out to be terrible, namely 2x1 Dominator. Maybe I got some bad sticks. Good luck.
Quite happy with my E6420 results, this is gonna be my 24/7 stable clock (61% OC).
http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/3845/biostarvu4.jpg
~ Mortis360
60% overclock, and the ability to prime it, is a VERY GOOD overclock!:up:
Thanks, I appreciate the help you have given. It really helped me a lot get past that first 448 hurdle.
Do you think it is your ram or cpu holding you back? Are you staying conservative with your voltages, or have you tried to pump them up, just for a short time, to seek stability? I'm rooting for you to get there!
I would just like to say that I appreciate all of the information coming out of this thread. As a first time overclocker, I have my hands full with this board and an 8400. Thank you for helping me out! And please, keep it coming!;)
I picked one of these up, and there are a few things I can't stand about it.
1) CMOS reset jumper...why did they have to put it right there :( I have to take my 4850 halfway out of the slot to be able to get the jumper off.
2) is it possible to get the thing into BIOS with a hard drive installed? it says "entering setup" on the first screen, but immediately tries to boot to windows. I have to unplug my drive to get the thing into bios. is this a bug or is my board busted?
max SUICIDE FSB on my E7200 so far with this board = 480. Can't get past it. The gigabyte EP35C-DS3R got this chip up to 502 suicide.
at least it does over 420fsb, the EP45-DS3R wouldn't.
Thanks ddogg.
It is not my ram or cpu holding me back, as I am not pushing my q9300, just trying to find max fsb for the board. Also my ram is rated at 1000mhz at stock settings.
I am trying to be conservative with the volts, as I feel that there must be a better way to reach 500mhz than to pump it full of volts, I maybe wrong though, but I feel that it is just a matter of finding the right settings.
Like I said though, I could (probably) be wrong.
A few of the settings go way over my head. I still don't understand any of the gtlref settings even after trying to read the link provided by mrcape.
@mrcape,
I would just like to apologize as I seem to have misjudged your earlier post, please feel free to contirbute, as your knowledge would be most welcome.:up:
new review out:
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/articl...50aHVzaWFzdA==
anybody using the molex over the top pcie slot? did it help/hurt/nada?
i plugged a line into it...i never tried it without...i get a new board today...but, that might not happen with all this rain from tropical storm FAY!
Pff, tropical storms... :p:
In the wintertimes we get more than 300cm snow every year, and between -10º and -25º celcius. Dont complain! :p:
http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/5679/orthos3thv5.jpg
New test, 3 hours and 30mins stable!
~ Mortis360
:ROTF::rofl::D...darn, can't get any pity from our international friends...BUT...my sunroom roof is leaking;)..wind is blowing all around..NOW!:yepp:
This is what I was looking for.
http://www.wprime.net/
i am going to get my board this afternoon and i will plug my 9650 in to see how much i can beat YOU!:D;)
:lol: sounds perfect for overclocking :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mortis360
That's tough Ace sorry to hear that. Insurance premiums must be pretty high where you are :eek2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace
that's not a bad turn round on your board isn't it ??
what is funny, i went up on the sunroom roof and tried to seal it on sunday...obviously, i did not do a good job!...the ole body does not respond like it use to!...think i will need to hire a roofer to repair it professionally!;)..the rain and winds has let up for now.
i hope to have the board in my hands by 3PM local time..and YES, a very good turnaround!...NEWEGG is the BEST!
Supershanks: Its perfect to overclock at the winter, but often we have to clock down a bit at the summer because its alot warmer. :(
Ace-a-Rue: Just like a child? ;)
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/429/orthos6tet2.jpg
Still stable!:D
~ Mortis360
:lol; in Uk we talk about DIY (Do It Yourself) , my brother came up with a better one DIY(Don't Involve Yourself) :shrug::rofl: but yes understand what your saying, I usually have a go :)Quote:
obviously, i did not do a good job!...the ole body does not respond like it use to!...think i will need to hire a roofer to repair it
i learned my lesson.:p:
good news, i have the biostar back in my hands!:yepp:
no screw driver and no DMM probes!:D
Ace, i am thinking about picking up one of these boards to replace my P5Q-D. Main gripe about the Asus is I can't use my X-Fi because some enigineer-monkey had his head somewhere else when he layed out the slot design. I have to put the card in the top slot right next to my 4870, squeezed in the sapce between the vid card and the cpu cooler. It's either this or spend 190.00 on a PCie version of my X-Fi. And I also am not coming to grips real fast with the Asus and clocking any of my Duals. I can get a SuperPi at 4700 with the 8600 but cannot get it stable there. Please give me some reasons whuy I should NOT pickup one of these Biostars :shrug:
ok, so the X-FI card that you have is a PCI slot card, right?..if so, then the 2 PCI slots are to the left (bottom of the board if standing) of the 2nd 16X speed slot.
if i understand you correctly then the X-FI sound card should be ok unless you are going to do crossfire.
here is the board; take a look.
the board is easy to overclock this 9650 to 4 ghz...a breeze!
will start lowering the multi so i can raise the FSB...have to finish a 32M bench for comparison before i start raising the FSB
usually, this puppy will stop around 475 FSB as a stable overclock...might be able to squeeze more; we'll see.
Alright, i have a new opinion on this board. 500fsb is easy...It was my RAM (single sided ballistix), which I haven't quite figured out yet. Anyone know where i can pick up a nice set of D9? Or at least something that can do DDR2-1200?
I have to reboot anywhere between 5-10 times before i can get into BIOS on this board. Am I doing something wrong?
I am soo happy you got your board back. I could feel your pain though I'll admit you faked it pretty well :) Hey, could you run the WPrime 32M and the 1024M soon as you can? I want to track that number as you change your setup. Could be more valuable than regular prime because we can track all 4 cores. 4ghz a breeze? Dang, I'm jealous!
well, it looks like i am able to run my 9650 up to 495 FSB with a little tweaking!
currently on 8.5x which is 4216 mhz.
running Wprime at PL=11 since that is the PL number which makes Super PI 32M complete...at PL=9, it won't complete 32M so i jumped right to PL=11...i will eventually try PL=10...i will set that from the bios.
i did have to set MCH GTLREF to 64%...that looks like the Quad magic number once you go above a certain FSB
EDIT:...i am using the same PC6400 memory which i used with the E8500 and the PL was "9"....so it looks like the the dual L2 and 4 cores just puts more stress on working cache and system memory.
After benching with this board all weekend... I have realized this is a slow board... In order to make it fly you're going to have to use strap tweaks.
If you have everest, run the latency test to see what you get. The best I've been able to squeeze out of this board is around 50ns.
Well next to having his wife in his I hands, I guess :rofl::up:Quote:
wow, does it really mean a lot to you?
THX very much boys because my Biostar wouldn´t like go over 450 FSB
thx for your Bios setup i try it.:up:
One thing I'll say about this board is I don't care for the lack of options with the voltage. Going from 1.4v to 1.45v is a huge leap for my 8400 & 8500 chips. :(
you can still put up some good benching numbers without having blistering low latencies...the best match for this board and pretty well all boards is a dual core processor...when you go to quads, it gets a little trickier to find the optimum balance between high FSB and performance...i.e., using 2 x 2gb PC6400 memory for my E8500, i could attain PL=9 at 520 FSB...same memory with my 9650, and at 490-495 FSB, i have to use PL=11 to complete a Super PI 32M run....big difference in performance.
I can run PL8 5-5-5 at 600 mhz as well as PL8 4-4-4 at 600 mhz.
Still the latency and pi times are slow without strap tweaks (jp pmem strap tweaks to be exact).
It's a great board again but... a bit on the slower side w/o tweaking the crap out of it! :0
and how 'bout a little "how to" on the strap tweaks on this board. It would be highly appreciated.
/edit: hmm, you sure about your findings?
I tried these with no change in latency - can you suggest those you say you were able to improve with?
FED14034h => 10
FED1403Fh => 24
FED1403Eh => 03
FED14030h => 06
FED14040h => 09
Tested a P4 on air and e6600 on LN with this board last night -
http://valid.x86-secret.com/cache/banner/405916.png
http://valid.x86-secret.com/cache/banner/397582.png
Testing third and fourth e86 on it next week. So far tested e84 (e84 1m WR, Freq 3rd), 2x e86, e66 & P4 on this board and it pumps them all to their max no problem. I really beat the hell out of it last night and it just keeps going.
something i did not pickup on when i had my E8500 installed...maybe i overlooked it...in the CPU Configuration page in the bios, i now see a "VID" selection so i can set any VID as a minimum...so...on my 9650, i selected 1.40v for a minimum VID and then i can use smaller Vcore increases in "O.N.E." page to ensure a good save and boot into windows.
can someone with an E8500 go check their CPU Configuration page to see if you have a "VID" selection?
no VID section in either one of the CPU Configuration sections, using a E8400. 7-10 Bios.
maybe since i have an unlocked multi 9650, biostar bios shows a VID selection which might be part of intel's built in spec to be available....it is a nice feature!:up:
bios 710 installed.
ddogg -
My board is dismantled right now, but here is a good start to learn more about the pmem tweaks -
http://i4memory.com/f54/guide-asus-p...p-tweaks-4268/
Also, I know you are a pi hater :P, but check out Monteboy's tool, it has a tab with a little form based strap tweaker -
http://www.ocxtreme.org/forumenus/showthread.php?t=3469
Thanks for the replies, guys - I'm thinking the tweaks might not have much effect while I'm using lazy 5's for ram timing. I've tried to tighten them up with no joy. Always get lockups. Maybe some magic bios setting/ tweak will turn up later so I can have more room to play with the ram timings. As for now, 500 @5-5-5-15 is pretty much it for this RAM, MB, and CPU combination.
I'll reapply the strap tweaks and retest when I get a few minutes. Maybe I did it wrong the first time as I had never used them before. I think I got it right, though.
Hmm, you can't run cas 4? What type of ics on your sticks, 2 or 4 gb, how much vdimm, what mem settings, divider etc. cas4 should be totally doable @500mhz.
I'm also finding that my D9GMH Ballistix aren't as powerful on this board as with others. I seem to have to use more voltage. The board didn't like my Tracers at all. I'd love to know what settings you folks are using to get 600Mhz stable. 1mb superpi is great but that ain't necessarily stable. What's the highest you guys can get on the fsb 32mb superpi stable?
Wow, this board looks really nice. A few years ago I wouldn't have even considered Biostar, but now I'd love to have one of these! The fact that Biostar has some ex-Abit engineers working for them now just sweetens the deal (I've used Abit boards for a looooong time.)
I think this would be a nice replacement for my AB9 Quad GT...it's a nice board, but it balks at running higher FSB without absolutely frying the NB with voltage. My 4.2ghz overclock isn't stable in Vista (it is with XP,) mainly because of FSB issues I believe. That, along with PCI-Express 2.0 and support for half multipliers, would be a decent upgrade :)
with my E8500, it was 520 FSB @ 8.5x (4420 Mhz)...i was able to do all the the benches including 32M, which is the most difficult one to complete if anything is out of tolerance.
my 9650 is touchy...it looks like i will be limited to about 4232 mhz with the same memory (GSkill PC6400) that was used with the E8500 bench.
i have been toying with getting some GSkill PC9600 (DDR-1200) but at $300 USD at newegg, i am not to excited about investing that much in memory that is going to be outdated within a year.
32m @ 600+ is doable for sure. I can't show any settings of my own right now that aren't from a 9x620+ LN session, with TRD loose, but look at Young Pro and Dinos' low clock challenge runs if you want high FSB with good efficiency on this board.
Look here -
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=201
And yes, you need a lot of juice to run mem like that. :)
mrcape: Thanks. I will "study" that thread tonight. I feel like I'm only a setting or two away from getting this where I want it. I used your settings from your LN2 session and went from 520 to 530 last night. Seem to have hit a wall at 540 on the 32mb superpi.
You will get it. I bet it's just vdimm or vmch in addition to gtl and mem settings. lol sounds like a lot, but you can get it I'm sure. Maybe try cpu gtls at default 63,67 nb gtl auto and give it some more nb juice. Did you try to loosen trd to 10 manually in bios, then boot up, then raise fsb? If that works, you can notch trd back down with memset.
I don't think it will be healthy to have much more than 540 fsb for 24/7 though with the vmch it would require. Is this for benching or just 24/7?