Unleash the Gladiator (RV670): 862MHz GPU Clock Limit Fixed

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11-24-2007, 03:25 AM
jedimindtriks

Quote:

Originally Posted by tiger8312

besides that how do yo know the clock is stable or not?
I used ATITool 0.27 B2 and turned on the 3D renderer (Cubic Fur) and scanned for artifacts
Is there a better way to see if your clock is stabilized aside fromt the above mentioned method?

i think atitools artifact scanner is the best, even when i get a few artifacts on it, it doesnt allways show in games
11-24-2007, 06:48 AM
STEvil

Quote:

Originally Posted by tiger8312

It is said on the manual to use a 500W or higher PSU though I speculated that the spec they are giving is way too high for standard purpose... just a way to avoid the blame when the graphic card gets burned with the PSU...

My CPU is E6300 @ 2.7GHz and the RAM is running at 482MHz...
couldn't get my RAM to run at different ratio so used FSB : DRAM spec = 3:4
CPU = 386*7 = 2.7GHz
Sucks...

I roughly calculated the total energy consumption used by my system and it should be around 270Watts even with the graphic card.

Do you think PSU is holding me from further overclocking the video?

What about the temperature?

Spuggi says that he/she is using the stock cooler and with the help of the BIOS overclocked it up to GPU@891Mhz and MEM@1332Mhz...

I could do that too but system either crashes or give out a VPU recovery session.

I have stabilized it the GPU@840
further going causes VPU recovery or crashes after exhaustive use...

besides that how do yo know the clock is stable or not?
I used ATITool 0.27 B2 and turned on the 3D renderer (Cubic Fur) and scanned for artifacts
Is there a better way to see if your clock is stabilized aside fromt the above mentioned method?

If your power supply is of poor quality (no-name brand as you mentioned originally) then I could see this system causing it a few headaches...
11-24-2007, 08:25 AM
tiger8312

6 pin connector with 18 Ampere capacity...

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEvil

If your power supply is of poor quality (no-name brand as you mentioned originally) then I could see this system causing it a few headaches...

I found that the 6 pin connector for the PCI-Express power supply line has a capacity of 18 ampere...

Two 12 volt connection with total of 300W for the two.

http://blog.danawa.com/prod/219851
if you go to the link might not be able to read the text but can see the table...

How much does the graphic card actually consume?

Is the amperage not enough to overclock?

At a glimpse the spec seems sufficient... :shrug:
11-24-2007, 08:54 AM
cstkl1

hmm i tried that 1.377v bios

i have a prob
i can run 900/2500mhz on stock cooler fine for each card
but when i crossfire...it will only be artifact free at 864/2500
11-24-2007, 10:25 AM
slugzkea

Quote:

Originally Posted by pitya

You should get 1.377 Vcore with this BIOS image.
(I don't have a 3870, so i cant verify)
Is someone brave enough to try out?
Use at your own risk.
(Oh and of course the checksum is no longer valid.)

I did, can't seem to get the core stable in the 900's...gonna try 877/2600
11-24-2007, 11:08 AM
tiger8312

Can you be a little more specific...

Quote:

Originally Posted by slugzkea

I did, can't seem to get the core stable in the 900's...gonna try 877/2600

Seems you'v used the 1.377 Vcore BIOS mod...
Is there actually a difference with the originally posted BIOS?
Have you checked the vcore with a voltmeter?
How much load do you give the stock fan and how high does the core temperature rise?
11-24-2007, 11:19 AM
slugzkea

Quote:

Originally Posted by tiger8312

Seems you'v used the 1.377 Vcore BIOS mod...
Is there actually a difference with the originally posted BIOS?
Have you checked the vcore with a voltmeter?
How much load do you give the stock fan and how high does the core temperature rise?

UPDATE: 3dmark06 score was 11077, that's not very high if you ask me. 877/1236 were the clocks.

e6300@3.5ghz
ocz 6400 platinum xtc rev2 5-5-5-15 1:1 ratio

The main difference i've noticed is crashing instead of total lockup at high clocks like 890-905's.

I dont got a voltmeter.

I leave the fan at 68%

core temp floats around the 50's
11-24-2007, 11:52 AM
slugzkea

New voltage Bios

Quote:

Originally Posted by slugzkea

UPDATE: 3dmark06 score was 11077, that's not very high if you ask me. 877/1236 were the clocks.

e6300@3.5ghz
ocz 6400 platinum xtc rev2 5-5-5-15 1:1 ratio

The main difference i've noticed is crashing instead of total lockup at high clocks like 890-905's.

I dont got a voltmeter.

I leave the fan at 68%

core temp floats around the 50's

UPDATE: got the core up to 890 mem 1236
3dmark06 score is 11952

tried 895 core, crashed. going to work on the mem now :)
11-24-2007, 11:58 AM
STEvil

Quote:

Originally Posted by tiger8312

I found that the 6 pin connector for the PCI-Express power supply line has a capacity of 18 ampere...

Two 12 volt connection with total of 300W for the two.

http://blog.danawa.com/prod/219851
if you go to the link might not be able to read the text but can see the table...

How much does the graphic card actually consume?

Is the amperage not enough to overclock?

At a glimpse the spec seems sufficient... :shrug:

18A @ 12v = 216w.

PSU looks similar to a few around here, they're fine without a huge overclock...
11-24-2007, 12:10 PM
tbone8ty

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEvil

18A @ 12v = 216w.

PSU looks similar to a few around here, they're fine without a huge overclock...

i have the thermaltake psu with one 12v @ 18A.

http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/produc...70/w006970.asp

will this be enough to run one 3850? maybe a 3870?

:down: :up: ???
11-24-2007, 04:36 PM
STEvil

it'll work.
11-24-2007, 04:37 PM
bl1zZ

Can someone mod an unlock bios for HD3850's?
Many others and me would be very thankfull!

Best Regards
Dennis
11-24-2007, 05:09 PM
slugzkea

Final Results

Quote:

Originally Posted by slugzkea

UPDATE: got the core up to 890 mem 1236
3dmark06 score is 11952

tried 895 core, crashed. going to work on the mem now :)

UPDATE:

My final OC results are:
890 core
1281 mem.

I don't know how you guys got 1300's for mem, 3dmark06 would just crash.

How i did it:

- Uninstalled all drivers then used driver sweeper.
- installed 7.11 display driver WITHOUT catalyst
- Disabled hot key proller
- Used RivaTuner for 890 Core, 1281 mem
- Fan forced at 70% at all times.

I ran 3dmark06 3 times in a row, score is 12042.

Good enough for me! now it's time to do some serious gaming.;) :D
11-24-2007, 05:52 PM
HousERaT

Quote:

Originally Posted by slugzkea

UPDATE:

My final OC results are:
890 core
1281 mem.

I don't know how you guys got 1300's for mem, 3dmark06 would just crash.

How i did it:

- Uninstalled all drivers then used driver sweeper.
- installed 7.11 display driver WITHOUT catalyst
- Disabled hot key proller
- Used RivaTuner for 890 Core, 1281 mem
- Fan forced at 70% at all times.

I ran 3dmark06 3 times in a row, score is 12042.

Good enough for me! now it's time to do some serious gaming.;) :D

all cards are not created equal. Both of mine will run 1300 on the memory but they run 865 and 840 on the core. :(

I need more volts.
11-24-2007, 05:58 PM
PhilDoc

Quote:

Originally Posted by HousERaT

all cards are not created equal. Both of mine will run 1300 on the memory but they run 865 and 840 on the core. :(

I need more volts.

Probably true, I'd say that most cards that clock a little low on the core are voltage deprived. I can say that a little extra cooling does help. Putting a V2 on mine added 14 to the core.
11-24-2007, 07:24 PM
irev210

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhilDoc

Probably true, I'd say that most cards that clock a little low on the core are voltage deprived. I can say that a little extra cooling does help. Putting a V2 on mine added 14 to the core.

Definitely agree with you there.

The stock dual slot cooler is definitely budget rate, esp with the way they have the fan speed tuned.

They should grow a pair and be more aggressive with the temps. 90C sucks :(
11-24-2007, 08:36 PM
slugzkea

Back to Square One

Quote:

Originally Posted by slugzkea

UPDATE: got the core up to 890 mem 1236
3dmark06 score is 11952

tried 895 core, crashed. going to work on the mem now :)

UPDATE:

I had to go back to the bios without the volt mod. Riva tuner screwed up my clocks, CCC would not read them at all kept displaying 000 and I tried uninstalling using drivercleaner PE several times...

Flashed back, using CCC 7.11 core is at 885 (in CCC) and going to install rivatuner for fan function ONLY.

if all is stable like that, i will try and up the RAM But the ram doesn't seem to OC very well...:confused:
11-24-2007, 08:58 PM
PhilDoc

Quote:

Originally Posted by slugzkea

UPDATE:

I had to go back to the bios without the volt mod. Riva tuner screwed up my clocks, CCC would not read them at all kept displaying 000 and I tried uninstalling using drivercleaner PE several times...

Flashed back, using CCC 7.11 core is at 885 (in CCC) and going to install rivatuner for fan function ONLY.

if all is stable like that, i will try and up the RAM But the ram doesn't seem to OC very well...:confused:

Once you reach a clock that's over what CCC can reach (885) it will stop reading. From what I can see that's normal. That doesn't mean your clocks are screwed up.

As far as your memory. Every card is different, but you'll probably get some better memory clocks as well with better cooling. With the stock cooler I was hitting in the 80's load, with the V2 I'm getting in the low 40's load. That extra heat has to affect the memory clock as well. At least a little.
11-24-2007, 10:10 PM
slugzkea

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhilDoc

Once you reach a clock that's over what CCC can reach (885) it will stop reading. From what I can see that's normal. That doesn't mean your clocks are screwed up.

As far as your memory. Every card is different, but you'll probably get some better memory clocks as well with better cooling. With the stock cooler I was hitting in the 80's load, with the V2 I'm getting in the low 40's load. That extra heat has to affect the memory clock as well. At least a little.

UPDATE:

I went back to the 1.377v bios, wasn't satisfied with the clocks i was getting with the non volted bios.

I'm going to try out 860 1251 but so far, i havent been able to hit high clocks.

I think it's the cooling. God knows what kinda glob they put under that headsink on the GPU. and the thermal pads on the ram modules might be causing problems too. A direct contact with that copper heatsink and some AS5 should seriously improve the results.

It has for my x800GTO, and my x1950pro in the past (both agp HEHE)

ALSO: Card is NOT stable above 60 temps...not when oc'ing anyways.:confused:
11-24-2007, 10:32 PM
Miwo

Quote:

Originally Posted by slugzkea

UPDATE:

I went back to the 1.377v bios, wasn't satisfied with the clocks i was getting with the non volted bios.

I'm going to try out 860 1251 but so far, i havent been able to hit high clocks.

I think it's the cooling. God knows what kinda glob they put under that headsink on the GPU. and the thermal pads on the ram modules might be causing problems too. A direct contact with that copper heatsink and some AS5 should seriously improve the results.

It has for my x800GTO, and my x1950pro in the past (both agp HEHE)

ALSO: Card is NOT stable above 60 temps...not when oc'ing anyways.:confused:

:up:
ty for being the brave soul to flash using the 1.377 bios! We just need to verify it actually is increasing voltage, though I do not know of measure points.

Once I get back home tomorrow from Thanksgiving break, i'm going to modify the bios and try running 1.4v. It should be pretty easy to tell if it actually is feeding more volts to the gpu if your temps under load are higher than the same clocks on the stock unlocked bios.

As far as cooling, there are ton of good coolers out there. Anything that fits the x1900xtx should fit the 3870/50 perfectly. TBH, the stock thermal paste job looked fairly decent when I removed the stock heatsink and replaced it with an Accelero S1 a week ago. The problem is the size of the heatsink. You'd think that a dualslot cooler would have a beefier heatsink, but that thing is pretty measly.

I must be a fortunate one because I am able to hit 877/1314 artifact free and run up to 905 core on Fur. Can't wait to try voltage testing tomorrow when I get back :)
11-24-2007, 10:42 PM
LordEC911

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miwo

The problem is the size of the heatsink. You'd think that a dualslot cooler would have a beefier heatsink, but that thing is pretty measly.

For good reason, two of them need to fit under a slightly longer shroud on the HD3870x2.
40C overclocked max load with the R600 HS?
Made a post about it the other day.

Quote:

Originally Posted by LordEC911

AMD designed the heatsink so short but dual slot due to them planning on putting two of them on the same PCB. HD3870x2 has the exact same HS as the HD3870 but has two of them on there, obviously and a longer shroud and larger/different fan.

HD3870x2
HD3870
And HD2900XT just for fun.

Now think of how awesome that cooler would be if they hadn't designed the actual HS to be so short and could actually take up the entire/majority of the length of the card.
11-24-2007, 11:44 PM
cstkl1

does anybody has or know where to download the GEcube OC version bios

so far
theres the MSI oc version bios on mkvtech.

i prefer the older bios
its more reliable on crossfires
11-25-2007, 12:45 AM
slugzkea

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miwo

:up:
ty for being the brave soul to flash using the 1.377 bios! We just need to verify it actually is increasing voltage, though I do not know of measure points.

Once I get back home tomorrow from Thanksgiving break, i'm going to modify the bios and try running 1.4v. It should be pretty easy to tell if it actually is feeding more volts to the gpu if your temps under load are higher than the same clocks on the stock unlocked bios.

As far as cooling, there are ton of good coolers out there. Anything that fits the x1900xtx should fit the 3870/50 perfectly. TBH, the stock thermal paste job looked fairly decent when I removed the stock heatsink and replaced it with an Accelero S1 a week ago. The problem is the size of the heatsink. You'd think that a dualslot cooler would have a beefier heatsink, but that thing is pretty measly.

I must be a fortunate one because I am able to hit 877/1314 artifact free and run up to 905 core on Fur. Can't wait to try voltage testing tomorrow when I get back :)

Don't get too excited about the core settings. yeah they'll run certain apps fine and 2d mode flawlessly but the second you try to play a seriously sensitive game (nfs carbon), it all goes to hell. well it did for me anyways.
11-25-2007, 01:26 AM
tiger8312

Does the distributer of the BIOS really matter?

Quote:

Originally Posted by cstkl1

does anybody has or know where to download the GEcube OC version bios

so far
theres the MSI oc version bios on mkvtech.

i prefer the older bios
its more reliable on crossfires

I'm using GEcube's HD 3870.
Is it not recommended to use an MSI BIOS on GEcube?
Because for the hardware itself there seems to be no difference at all even with all the distributers...
Looks to me that every BIOS is compatible with any distributer's product as long as the hardware itself is the same stuff.
Maybe not... not sure about the BIOS...
11-25-2007, 01:29 AM
Lightman

1.377 BIOS did nothing to me, except screwing CF clocking :p:
I'm back on original one....
11-25-2007, 04:20 AM
tiger8312

Tried it and doesn't work for me...

Quote:

Originally Posted by pitya

You should get 1.377 Vcore with this BIOS image.
(I don't have a 3870, so i cant verify)
Is someone brave enough to try out?
Use at your own risk.
(Oh and of course the checksum is no longer valid.)

I've tried this BIOS which is suppose to increase vcore to 1.377v...
After flashing I've turned off the computer and unplugged the power cable and rebooted...
But guess what?
I've got a blank screen....
So I've booted up with blank screen and got to the menu in my bootcd with the flashing util.
and flashed again with the BIOS that was posted on the TechPowerUp BIOS database and rebooted...
Worked my way out through the blank screen... (pretty scary...)

Well now that I've reflashed the BIOS it works fine... :mad:
11-25-2007, 04:23 AM
slugzkea

Quote:

Originally Posted by tiger8312

I've tried this BIOS which is suppose to increase vcore to 1.377v...
After flashing I've turned off the computer and unplugged the power cable and rebooted...
But guess what?
I've got a blank screen....
So I've booted up with blank screen and got to the menu in my bootcd with the flashing util.
and flashed again with the BIOS that was posted on the TechPowerUp BIOS database and rebooted...
Worked my way out through the blank screen... (pretty scary...)

Well now that I've reflashed the BIOS it works fine... :mad:

Did you use the right command line? i didn't have that problem when i flashed,

Use:

atiflash -p 0 -f biosname.bin
11-25-2007, 04:24 AM
tiger8312

dude I've used the exact command~

Quote:

Originally Posted by slugzkea

Did you use the right command line? i didn't have that problem when i flashed,

Use:

atiflash -p 0 -f biosname.bin

there is nothing wrong with my command since I've used the same one as above...
11-25-2007, 04:26 AM
slugzkea

Stock Cooler Might be still good!

Okay guys,

With the 1.377v bios, I was able to achieve 855core, 1301mem. Temps at load don't go past 58C, Fan fixed at 68% at all times.

I'm going to take off those thermal pads and apply some real AS5 to the core now. I just know the temps are gonna drop drastically after doing so.

After that, i'm going to aim for more core, maybe more mem.

I'll keep you guys updated!:ROTF:
11-25-2007, 04:38 AM
tiger8312

Are you kidding me about the temperature?

Quote:

Originally Posted by slugzkea

Okay guys,

With the 1.377v bios, I was able to achieve 855core, 1301mem. Temps at load don't go past 58C, Fan fixed at 68% at all times.

I'm going to take off those thermal pads and apply some real AS5 to the core now. I just know the temps are gonna drop drastically after doing so.

After that, i'm going to aim for more core, maybe more mem.

I'll keep you guys updated!:ROTF:

even with the fan fixed at 68% how can you achieve a temperature of 58C on load?
Mine with the originally posted BIOS shows about 60~62 core@850 and stock MEM speed with fan at 70% fixed....

You even applied the 1.377v BIOS!!! there should be a bit of a temperature rise...
The temperature doesn't seem reasonable to me at all considering the BIOS, overclocking and cooling you have in which the cooling is stock... :shakes:
11-25-2007, 04:41 AM
AliG

no it could be. It all depends on what else he's running in his system and what your respective ambient temperatures are
11-25-2007, 04:50 AM
tiger8312

There is this BIOS that overvolts your core up to 1.5v...

Use at your own risk!
Flashing your BIOS should void you of warranty

I've found this BIOS that overvolts the core up to 1.5v and the users say that you could overclock the core up to 900Mhz...
Quite a impressive try...

So now if you dare use it the file is below...

Watch out for the core temperature rise!!!

Go to this site and click on the FILE.01 located on the top right side of the article which is green and says 64.0KB on the right...
http://www.parkoz.com/zboard/view.ph...sc=asc&no=2517

Couldn't like the file directly... can anyone do that for me and even better if you can teach me how to...

Don't blame me if your video card is damaged...
Since I have a stock cooler not going to use it myself...
Just another info. for those who want to go to the extreme...
11-25-2007, 05:10 AM
cstkl1

thats a korean webby right
interesting

so who dares to walk a path of a test pig
11-25-2007, 06:13 AM
AliG

Depending on what price the 3870 comes back down to, I may or may not buy one and try the test.

Honestly this isn't like the first time anyone has done this, I mean plenty of people volt mod their boards and what not. As for the stock cooler, with 55nm, I wouldn't say it's a big deal, though if people really want they could always buy an hr03
11-25-2007, 06:37 AM
slugzkea

Quote:

Originally Posted by tiger8312

even with the fan fixed at 68% how can you achieve a temperature of 58C on load?
Mine with the originally posted BIOS shows about 60~62 core@850 and stock MEM speed with fan at 70% fixed....

You even applied the 1.377v BIOS!!! there should be a bit of a temperature rise...
The temperature doesn't seem reasonable to me at all considering the BIOS, overclocking and cooling you have in which the cooling is stock... :shakes:

I have the antec nine hundred case dude, 5x120mm fans going at full 130CFM plus the 200mm beast fan at the top. if you stick your hand in my case, it's like a wind tunnel.
11-25-2007, 06:39 AM
slugzkea

Stupid Gummy thermal pads!

Quote:

Originally Posted by slugzkea

Okay guys,

With the 1.377v bios, I was able to achieve 855core, 1301mem. Temps at load don't go past 58C, Fan fixed at 68% at all times.

I'm going to take off those thermal pads and apply some real AS5 to the core now. I just know the temps are gonna drop drastically after doing so.

After that, i'm going to aim for more core, maybe more mem.

I'll keep you guys updated!:ROTF:

UPDATE:

okay I pasted the PCB and the RAM BUT there was a gap between the ram and the copper heatsinks! so that was for nothing...what a waste of AS5. I put the "bubble gum" thermal pads back on...repasted core with AS5, now my idle temp is 31C where as before, it was 36-37C.

I am going to attempt the 1.5v Bios, and aim for higher core!

:rofl:
11-25-2007, 06:58 AM
slugzkea

Check this out

Quote:

Originally Posted by slugzkea

UPDATE:

okay I pasted the PCB and the RAM BUT there was a gap between the ram and the copper heatsinks! so that was for nothing...what a waste of AS5. I put the "bubble gum" thermal pads back on...repasted core with AS5, now my idle temp is 31C where as before, it was 36-37C.

I am going to attempt the 1.5v Bios, and aim for higher core!

:rofl:

UPDATE:

I forgot to mention one thing, and it's huge!

While I took off the ram heatsink, i marked down the ram's model#.

For the Sapphire HD 3870 512mb the model is:

Samsung
K4U52324QE-BC08

Now we can find out what frequency they are actually rated for! w00p!

Okay I just flashed to the 1.5v bios. Idle temps with 70% fan is 35C with AS5 Pasted might i remind you.

Going to do some benchies now, i'll be back soon!:clap:
11-25-2007, 07:06 AM
pitya

The 1.5 (1.499) volt BIOS you mentioned is the same tech power up image changed the same way I changed it for 1.377V. (Only the six corresponding value modified to DB 05 = 1.499 decimal)
So IF the 1.377V BIOS worked, it will work too.
1.5 volt... don't think it is air cooling territory, but who knows.
11-25-2007, 07:15 AM
AliG

apparently from a google search I got the (last strain) bc08 means rated for 1.2ghz, the bc09 in the 1gb r600 is rated for 2.2ghz. There apparently are bc07 and bc06 ICs that are rated for 1.4ghz and 1.6ghz respectively, but I don't think those would come into production due to their cost and where ati needs to place the 3870
11-25-2007, 07:19 AM
pitya

K4U52324QE-BC08
Rated: 1200 MHz (0.83ns)
11-25-2007, 07:26 AM
HousERaT

Quote:

Originally Posted by pitya

The 1.5 (1.499) volt BIOS you mentioned is the same tech power up image changed the same way I changed it for 1.377V. (Only the six corresponding value modified to DB 05 = 1.499 decimal)
So IF the 1.377V BIOS worked, it will work too.
1.5 volt... don't think it is air cooling territory, but who knows.

No reason why you can't run this on the stock cooler. You'll want to keep it at 100% and make sure you have low ambient temps.
11-25-2007, 08:04 AM
Amrita

hi all

i'm on water and i tryed upping my volts to 1,5v but it didnt give me any higer stable oc (862mhz 3dmark06)
but now that i see this one has 1,499 maby it's a magic number needed for it to work
who knows, any how i'm testing
11-25-2007, 08:28 AM
tiger8312

I've tried both the supposingly 1.377v and 1.499v BIOS volt mod but seems I'm getting a blank screen with both of them...

Can anyone tell me what might be wrong?
Giving higher volts doesn't necessarily mean that it will consume more energy(watt) does it?

Also why isn't there an hardware ID in the volt modded BIOSes?

I tried both BIOS but they are not overclocked so must work fine even with stock cooler but might not when overclocked due to temperature...

But again I'm getting blank screen with the 1.377v and 1.499v BIOS...

By the way I've used and modified an adaptor cable to connect my stock cooler power supply line to the mainboard to save a tiny bit of energy consumption (about 5watt? I guess) that comes from the 6 pin 12v VGA power supply cable coming out from the PSU.

This didn't help much...

For now I'm using the BIOS posted on the TechPowerUP Database file and can see after running few minutes of ATITool artifact scan that it can be stabilized only up to GPU@840Mhz and MEM@1200MHz...

Really wanted to reach atleast 850Mhz but artifacts shows up though ATITool doesn't say it is an artifact I can see a few yellow dots appearing and disappering on the fur rendering...

Can anyone tell me why I can't use the volt modded BIOS?
By the way I've used the correct command which is:
a:\atiflash -p 0 -f biosname.bin
loaded up the fan at 100% and flashed...
reboot and blank...
under darkness I've type the commands to return to a working BIOS...
11-25-2007, 08:30 AM
Amrita

no magic number's there i'm afraid

so time to get to the bottom of this
has anyone here done a complete 3dmark06 run with an oc higer than 862mhz on a pci-e 1.0 slot?
11-25-2007, 08:45 AM
Miwo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amrita

no magic number's there i'm afraid

so time to get to the bottom of this
has anyone here done a complete 3dmark06 run with an oc higer than 862mhz on a pci-e 1.0 slot?

Heres a run I did right before I left for Thanksgiving holiday
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=3849346
I believe clocks were at 877/1314 , with my E4300 @ 3.54. If you try 3DMarking with an unstable clock, you'll actually get a lower score due to dropped frames ..... at least that was what I experienced when I ran it at 905 MHz.
11-25-2007, 08:51 AM
Amrita

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miwo

Heres a run I did right before I left for Thanksgiving holiday
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=3849346
I believe clocks were at 877/1314 , with my E4300 @ 3.54. If you try 3DMarking with an unstable clock, you'll actually get a lower score due to dropped frames ..... at least that was what I experienced when I ran it at 905 MHz.

thanks for clearing that up
i guess my card just is at it's limit then
11-25-2007, 08:51 AM
cstkl1

hey guys since the Msi OC bios is in mkvtech

can u check with ure hex editor
to see the difference
and also the voltages

will there ever be a bios editor for this card??
nitbitor is damn easy for nvidia.
11-25-2007, 08:54 AM
cstkl1

the problem with the fixed bios was
it was unstable

during the second test of 877 core
the flying wisp thingy
it will fail for no reason
even when ati tools artifact scanning shows its okay.
11-25-2007, 09:06 AM
AliG

unstable bios?

Man, what the hell is with this, ati unleashes a monster card that was supposed to oc way farther than the r600 because of the 55nm die and then they cap it just so they still have a decent high end
11-25-2007, 09:12 AM
pitya

The MSI OC BIOS power state table shows 800 MHz for 3D and stock Mem and Voltage.
11-25-2007, 09:28 AM
pinto

Pseudo : Pinto
CPU : QX9650 @4.5Ghz 1.6v Nexxxos XP
Mainboard : Maximus Extreme
Memory : 2X1024 cellchock PC14400 880 76518 1.9v
Graphic cards : HD3870 crossfire 855/1350
Drivers : 7.11

3DMark Score 23254 3DMarks
SM 2.0 Score 9259 Marks
SM 3.0 Score 10355 Marks
CPU Score 7154 Marks

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/3...6232541bg3.jpg
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/3...7269915811.jpg
11-25-2007, 10:28 AM
cstkl1

damn this card still scales up ...even at 4.5ghz...
sishh
neary 900points jump on sm3...

a bit disappointed that penryn quads cant hit 500fsb

hmm looks like have to find a batch no that can.
11-25-2007, 10:43 AM
PhilDoc

Wow, great results Pinto, gotta love these 3870's in crossfire. Hopefully, when the drivers mature, we'll see even more.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AliG

unstable bios?

Man, what the hell is with this, ati unleashes a monster card that was supposed to oc way farther than the r600 because of the 55nm die and then they cap it just so they still have a decent high end

The bios seems fine. Haven't tried any voltage increas bioses, but I've run a 3d06 at 891/1395. The score was only 10.5K, but then I'm running a Opty 185 at 3.1 and a untweaked Vista.
11-25-2007, 11:09 AM
cstkl1

anybody can a way of getting that gecube HD3870 OC bios??
11-25-2007, 12:28 PM
cstkl1

http://www.iax-tech.com/video/3800biosmod/03.htm
currently trying the 830/2400
11-25-2007, 12:38 PM
cstkl1

hmm can somebody check the voltages for the 3 bios for hd3870 ....
ty

oh yeah the reason i ran the 830/1200 cause this was supposedly the original clocks for this card.
11-25-2007, 12:52 PM
cstkl1

oh yeah how come those guys have a editor..

that looks like an amd editor
i thought the amd clock editor doesnt work right or hd3870 because of the toolib file..
can to enlighten me on this ppl??
11-25-2007, 12:55 PM
HousERaT

Quote:

Originally Posted by cstkl1

hmm can somebody check the voltages for the 3 bios for hd3870 ....
ty

It says right there that voltages are untouched.
11-25-2007, 01:02 PM
cstkl1

Quote:

Originally Posted by HousERaT

It says right there that voltages are untouched.

the vddc??
hmm so isnt this risky??
11-25-2007, 02:24 PM
STEvil

If you're asking you probably havent done enough research..
11-25-2007, 02:58 PM
Miwo

Well, I can confirm that modding the voltage values in the bios has no effect. My temps are exactly the same under load...43C @ 877/1314 using ATiTool cube, and it did not help me gain any room on the Core.

Back to the drawing board
11-25-2007, 09:11 PM
cstkl1

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEvil

If you're asking you probably havent done enough research..

yeah thats y help me...
11-25-2007, 09:25 PM
slugzkea

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miwo

Well, I can confirm that modding the voltage values in the bios has no effect. My temps are exactly the same under load...43C @ 877/1314 using ATiTool cube, and it did not help me gain any room on the Core.

Back to the drawing board

same for me, no core increase. still stuck at 855. Tried the 1.377 and the 1.5 bios.
11-25-2007, 10:00 PM
tiger8312

Did anyone get a blank screen after flshing any of the overvolt BIOS?
I'm getting blank screens...
Seems everyone is using the overvolt BIOS just fine except me...
Have I got the unlucky GPU?
Anyone Help...
11-25-2007, 10:09 PM
malik22

What brand of 3870 seems to oce the best?
11-26-2007, 04:50 AM
tiger8312

I don't think the brand really matter...

Quote:

Originally Posted by malik22

What brand of 3870 seems to oce the best?

For now all the HD 3870 are on reference design...
So it seems that the brand really matters...
It's just how lucky you get with your GPU and RAM...

Apparently I see no different designs of the HD 3870.
The overclocked version simply has a BIOS that overclocks the core a bit which you can achieve simply by flashing the BIOS.

Not exactly the questions you should ask considering the nature of the forum.
11-26-2007, 05:16 AM
slugzkea

Quote:

Originally Posted by tiger8312

Use at your own risk!
Flashing your BIOS should void you of warranty

I've found this BIOS that overvolts the core up to 1.5v and the users say that you could overclock the core up to 900Mhz...
Quite a impressive try...

So now if you dare use it the file is below...

Watch out for the core temperature rise!!!

Go to this site and click on the FILE.01 located on the top right side of the article which is green and says 64.0KB on the right...
http://www.parkoz.com/zboard/view.ph...sc=asc&no=2517

Couldn't like the file directly... can anyone do that for me and even better if you can teach me how to...

Don't blame me if your video card is damaged...
Since I have a stock cooler not going to use it myself...
Just another info. for those who want to go to the extreme...

I tried the 875 core bios, was not stable with my card.
11-26-2007, 06:26 AM
cstkl1

Quote:

Originally Posted by tiger8312

For now all the HD 3870 are on reference design...
So it seems that the brand really matters...
It's just how lucky you get with your GPU and RAM...

Apparently I see no different designs of the HD 3870.
The overclocked version simply has a BIOS that overclocks the core a bit which you can achieve simply by flashing the BIOS.

Not exactly the questions you should ask considering the nature of the forum.

dont think so..

saw a few saphire/HIs and gecube

it depends on ure cooling and airflow of ure casing.
11-26-2007, 06:34 AM
tiger8312

Missing Product Name and Version and a 0 for Product ID in the volt modded BIOS???

Why are the 1.377v and 1.499v BIOSes missing a product name and BIOS version...
Also it give the device ID 0.
I've tried dozen of time and could only get a lousy blank screen!!!:mad:
I am really anxious to try out the BIOS but since I'm getting blanks nothing can be done with the volt modded BIOS.
Am I using it the right way?

a:\atiflash -f -p 0 biosname.bin

this command shoudl suffice...
Help Please~~~ :confused:
11-26-2007, 06:38 AM
tiger8312

I was only talking about the VGA card itself...

Quote:

Originally Posted by cstkl1

dont think so..

saw a few saphire/HIs and gecube

it depends on ure cooling and airflow of ure casing.

The question was which brand is known to have high capability on overclocking...
It is undoubtedly dependent of the temperature but the VGA product itself is the same reference design with the same stock cooler and BIOS...

So what I was saying is buying a different brand of HD3870 is independent of the overclocking capabilities...
11-26-2007, 06:45 AM
Astennu

Uhmm to bad I expected more from the HD3870 cards.

8800 GT's can overclock from 600 > 735 thats more then 20%. And these cards have problems hitting 875 from 775 MHz. 13,3% only.

I guess my HD3870 wont be any better then the ones you have here. And that bios is not unleashing anything. Only if you go voltmodding :) To bad is was hoping on a OC monster and clock like 900-950.
11-26-2007, 08:29 AM
slugzkea

Quote:

Originally Posted by Astennu

Uhmm to bad I expected more from the HD3870 cards.

8800 GT's can overclock from 600 > 735 thats more then 20%. And these cards have problems hitting 875 from 775 MHz. 13,3% only.

I guess my HD3870 wont be any better then the ones you have here. And that bios is not unleashing anything. Only if you go voltmodding :) To bad is was hoping on a OC monster and clock like 900-950.

I agree. I am just as disapointed.

I was hoping for this 55nm tech. to not only OC and be on par with the 8800GT, but to consider it performing better than the 8800GT due to this "new core", which is showing colourless "flying colours".

I'm not giving up hope yet though. This card is very new. and The drivers for it are very new.

I just dunt understand how some people here are reaching above 860 core, and some cant?

It's the same core!! Yes temps matter but mine are so low! 31C idle, under 56 load!

WTF....

I'll wait a bit longer, maybe a month. But if nothing improves, screw you ATI. i'll spend the extra cash to get a REAL gamer's graphics card.

it's too bad ATI's image quality is highly addictive tho...blargh :down:

ALSO:
I read at sapphire forums that the 3870 is built on the same principles as the x1950. from what i remember in the early days of the 1950pro's, the low level OCing for the memory only worked in 27mhz incriments.

Just an idea...
11-26-2007, 10:15 AM
PhilDoc

Sorry to hear about your troubles. If you're not getting over 860 then there are a few possiblities. One, maybe you didn't get the new bios flashed correctly. Two, you need to use a better cooler. Three, you just got unluckly. Not all of these are going to overclock as well as others. I wish I could get the 900 core some people are getting. Also things will oc a little more when we get some increased voltage. Overall, I'm very happy with mine, cant wait to get another and run some crossfire.
11-26-2007, 04:34 PM
slugzkea

Okay, got it stable.

Okay guys, I finally Oc'ed at stable clocks.

3dmark06 FULL TEST passed.

Score: 12051

Clocks: Rivatuner reads 885/1291
GPU-Z reads 877/1287

I used rivatuner to OC, catalyst overdrive is junk. And the autotune doesn't mean anything. Sure it can run those clocks, but not when gaming!

I'm going to try to aim the mem for a bit higher.

Since my mem is rated 1200mhz, usually 100mhz oc is very possible.

Using non volt modded bios.

PCIE Freq. at 104mhz.

be back soon!:up:
11-26-2007, 04:54 PM
jedimindtriks

Quote:

Originally Posted by pitya

You should get 1.377 Vcore with this BIOS image.
(I don't have a 3870, so i cant verify)
Is someone brave enough to try out?
Use at your own risk.
(Oh and of course the checksum is no longer valid.)

hmm, when i try this bios, (or the 1.5volt one, i get a error using winflash

"VBIOS image not found"

what does this mean?

btw i have 2 cards but CF is disabled atm
11-26-2007, 04:57 PM
SNiiPE_DoGG

I just ordered a ATI HD 3870 w/ an 835 core and 2400 (!!!) RAM. i cant wait to set it up, unfortunately space limits me to wait for a new case @ christmas
11-26-2007, 05:51 PM
HousERaT

What model did you get and where did you get it from?
11-26-2007, 05:53 PM
Rumon

I'v been keeping eye on this thread and have gotten lots of useful info so i
though it'd post my Oc'ed results

This is my Stable Overclock of 12284 3dmark 06
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/4...k062po4.th.jpg

managed to get a complete 3dmark 06 bench on 891 core but
was not stable when it came to gaming
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/1...rk06tq0.th.png

This is with the stock cooler with fan fixed at 70% but i have ordered a Accelero AC-S1 should arrive on Thursday then might try out the higher voltage bios see if i can get a greater OC
11-26-2007, 06:37 PM
SNiiPE_DoGG

i got the extreme-pc xxx edition, made directly at the ati fab. it's the roxxors
11-26-2007, 06:48 PM
slugzkea

Final Results

Quote:

Originally Posted by slugzkea

Okay guys, I finally Oc'ed at stable clocks.

3dmark06 FULL TEST passed.

Score: 12051

Clocks: Rivatuner reads 885/1291
GPU-Z reads 877/1287

I used rivatuner to OC, catalyst overdrive is junk. And the autotune doesn't mean anything. Sure it can run those clocks, but not when gaming!

I'm going to try to aim the mem for a bit higher.

Since my mem is rated 1200mhz, usually 100mhz oc is very possible.

Using non volt modded bios.

PCIE Freq. at 104mhz.

be back soon!:up:

Okay. Here it is.

I have discovered that running 3dmark06 once means nothing. Run the test 3 times in a row (it's a setting if u have the full version). That will determine true stability.

At certain higher clocks, It would complete 3dmark06 just fine. But if I set it to repeat x3, it would crash.

So the most stable clocks I have achieved are:

885/1311 <---EDTIED: accidentally put "855" on initial post

GPU-Z reads: 877/1296

3dmark06 Full testsx3 FINAL SCORE: 12198

I'd say, not bad. Not bad considering no voltage mods.

Remember people, those 1.377v and 1.47v bios's don't do anything.:cool:
11-26-2007, 09:32 PM
PhilDoc

885 will give you 877.5. Just tried it myself with Riva Tuners own hardware monitoring. The core will only increase in 13.5 increments. So 864, 887.5, 891, 904.5. Not sore if this is bios controlled or not. So even if you try 890 you'll still get 877. Hit 900 and you'll get 891, etc. Haven't checked how the memory increments.
11-26-2007, 09:47 PM
slugzkea

wow..

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhilDoc

885 will give you 877.5. Just tried it myself with Riva Tuners own hardware monitoring. The core will only increase in 13.5 increments. So 864, 887.5, 891, 904.5. Not sore if this is bios controlled or not. So even if you try 890 you'll still get 877. Hit 900 and you'll get 891, etc. Haven't checked how the memory increments.

wow...THANK YOU for informing me about this! I was hitting VPU recover all the time until i tried that actual 877core setting via rivatuner.

Has anyone tried those clocks mentioned above (877.5, 891, 904.5) with the new volted bios's?

Because of not, I'm the first to volunteer :)
11-26-2007, 09:49 PM
STEvil

volt modded bios do not work.
11-26-2007, 09:52 PM
slugzkea

What about pci-e Frequency?

Okay, What about PCI-E frequency? what mhz should be used with SATA drives, and regular IDE drives?

I've read that ATI cards can't handle higher frequencies like the nvidia cards, is this true?

bump!

*note* I am using a MSI P35 Neo2-FR motherboard (P35 express chipset)
11-26-2007, 09:52 PM
cstkl1

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG

i got the extreme-pc xxx edition, made directly at the ati fab. it's the roxxors

??? the 835/2400??
errr but anybody can just go to the IAX tech and flash their cards to the 860/2400.. so errr
11-26-2007, 10:33 PM
slugzkea

Quote:

Originally Posted by slugzkea

I agree. I am just as disapointed.

I was hoping for this 55nm tech. to not only OC and be on par with the 8800GT, but to consider it performing better than the 8800GT due to this "new core", which is showing colourless "flying colours".

I'm not giving up hope yet though. This card is very new. and The drivers for it are very new.

I just dunt understand how some people here are reaching above 860 core, and some cant?

It's the same core!! Yes temps matter but mine are so low! 31C idle, under 56 load!

WTF....

I'll wait a bit longer, maybe a month. But if nothing improves, screw you ATI. i'll spend the extra cash to get a REAL gamer's graphics card.

it's too bad ATI's image quality is highly addictive tho...blargh :down:

ALSO:
I read at sapphire forums that the 3870 is built on the same principles as the x1950. from what i remember in the early days of the 1950pro's, the low level OCing for the memory only worked in 27mhz incriments.

Just an idea...

UPDATE:

Using RivaTuner and setting clocks to: 877:1339 is working flawlessly. I'm usin the 27mhz incriments increase on the memory (1126+27+27 etc...).
It's an old property of low level OCing of the 1950pros, so I guess it is based on the same principles..

Anybody else know anything about this? :confused:
11-26-2007, 10:58 PM
STEvil

Quote:

Originally Posted by slugzkea

Okay, What about PCI-E frequency? what mhz should be used with SATA drives, and regular IDE drives?

I've read that ATI cards can't handle higher frequencies like the nvidia cards, is this true?

bump!

*note* I am using a MSI P35 Neo2-FR motherboard (P35 express chipset)

increasing PCIE used to help some card's cores clock better... ati/nv both were able to do high PCIE frequencies if you look around. Max freq will depend on motherboard PLL's.
11-26-2007, 11:09 PM
slugzkea

Proper Increments

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEvil

increasing PCIE used to help some card's cores clock better... ati/nv both were able to do high PCIE frequencies if you look around. Max freq will depend on motherboard PLL's.

Right now I have it at 110mhz, Going to leave it at that for now. I read that going over 125mhz can damage your SATA drives, I tried 125 and got no post, had to press the magic button (Cmos reset)!

UPDATE:

Okay 27mhz increments increase on the mem seems to be the most stable. I'm currently experiemnting with 21mhz increments as well.

I tried 7mhz increments, and that resulted in VPU recover.

I was able to run at 1339 using 27mhz increments but was getting artifacting. So right now my mem is at 1315 with very very little to no artifacting using 21mhz incriments.

Actually, i think the very very little artifacting is caused by the catalyst A.I. :up:
11-26-2007, 11:58 PM
slugzkea

Compiled info

I have compiled a new thread based on the Sapphire 3870 version.

http://www.sapphiretech.com/en/forum...916#post102916
11-27-2007, 01:22 AM
jedimindtriks

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEvil

volt modded bios do not work.

arent some of the guys in this thread using vmod bios?

or is there another way i can change the voltage?
11-27-2007, 03:09 AM
K404

Guys...stop clocking for 20 minutes please.

We all need/want voltmods for these cards...

Please can someone (ideally someone who also has a DMM) take some high-res fairly close-up pics of the control ICs for the cards and post them up here:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=166623

The labels on the ICs would also be welcome :)

Im also surprised very few people are using water.

Come on!!! Grow a set! :D
11-27-2007, 04:27 AM
slugzkea

Back to 27mhz incriments

Quote:

Originally Posted by slugzkea

Right now I have it at 110mhz, Going to leave it at that for now. I read that going over 125mhz can damage your SATA drives, I tried 125 and got no post, had to press the magic button (Cmos reset)!

UPDATE:

Okay 27mhz increments increase on the mem seems to be the most stable. I'm currently experiemnting with 21mhz increments as well.

I tried 7mhz increments, and that resulted in VPU recover.

I was able to run at 1339 using 27mhz increments but was getting artifacting. So right now my mem is at 1315 with very very little to no artifacting using 21mhz incriments.

Actually, i think the very very little artifacting is caused by the catalyst A.I. :up:

UPDATE: Older games like CSS and NFS carbon were running fine for hours at mem 1315 but when I ran COD4, I got VPU Recover. I put the mem back to default to make sure core was stable at 877mhz and it is.

Currently testing mem at 1288 (27x6) on newer games for stability:up:
11-27-2007, 04:29 AM
slugzkea

Water? What for?

Quote:

Originally Posted by K404

Guys...stop clocking for 20 minutes please.

We all need/want voltmods for these cards...

Please can someone (ideally someone who also has a DMM) take some high-res fairly close-up pics of the control ICs for the cards and post them up here:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=166623

The labels on the ICs would also be welcome :)

Im also surprised very few people are using water.

Come on!!! Grow a set! :D

Water on a 55nm GPU? What for? lol it's like the same properties as the C2D CPU's. Shrink the die, less heat output, less power consumption.

I strongly believe water cooling will become obsolete in the future.
11-27-2007, 05:03 AM
LowRun

Quote:

Originally Posted by slugzkea

Water on a 55nm GPU? What for? lol it's like the same properties as the C2D CPU's. Shrink the die, less heat output, less power consumption.

I strongly believe water cooling will become obsolete in the future.

As soon as you add volts watercooling is more than welcome whatever the process is, i can't see it being obsolete in the forseeable future.
11-27-2007, 06:42 AM
coolice

this is mine,brand sapphire,memory clock really boost alot of pts:D
aq3
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/5289/aq33tv1.th.jpg

3d01 is about 63k iirc,sorry..forgot to take screenie

3d03
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/9...5143cn4.th.jpg

3d05
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/1...5223vc0.th.jpg

3d06
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6...3842jf3.th.jpg

cooled with accelero s1 + 2 panaflo
11-27-2007, 06:47 AM
Smy

do guys ccc overdriver to overclock cf settup? use rivetuner for turn up the fanspeed?

my 2 hd3870 is running at stock with q6600@3.7ghz got 18,5 i 3dmark06 her (7.11 cat driver)
11-27-2007, 09:08 AM
slugzkea

tsk tsk

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smy

do guys ccc overdriver to overclock cf settup? use rivetuner for turn up the fanspeed?

my 2 hd3870 is running at stock with q6600@3.7ghz got 18,5 i 3dmark06 her (7.11 cat driver)

you have not done your reading...
11-27-2007, 03:03 PM
Sage

ffs.. listen to K404.. stop posting your max clocks and lets focus on getting the BIOS volt mod up and running. :)
11-27-2007, 04:35 PM
GAR

so no volt mod yet??? i am really interested in the volt mod, as i picked up one of these, about to get me a second one for crossfire.
11-27-2007, 09:56 PM
GAR

after some testing, my max of this diamond 3870 is 850/1250 and i gotta say, this card is crap compared to my 8800GT, this thing is going back first thing tommorrow morning.

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