Anybody know of any other 3850 512mb cards coming out with hdmi built in?
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Anybody know of any other 3850 512mb cards coming out with hdmi built in?
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Originally Posted by voltaire2030
the "problem" is >>> AMD x2 :p:
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Originally Posted by SKYMTL
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HIS hd3870 single & Crossfire review
Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 @ 3.5Ghz
Memory: 4GB Corsair Dominator DDR3 @ 1556Mhz (Thanks to Corsair)
Motherboard: Asus Blitz Extreme
Disk Drive: Pioneer DVD Writer
Hard Drive: Seagate Barracuda 320GB SATAII
Fans: 5X Yate Loon 120mm @ 1200RPM
Monitor: LG Flatron L2000CN-BF (1600X1200)
OS: Windows Vista Ultimate x64
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...html#post26213
HD3870 CF Default Vs 8800GTX
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/1782/11343973fp8.jpg
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/8580/r1cb6.jpg
http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/3674/r2dl4.jpg
Temps:
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/415/r3nu1.jpg
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/8835/r4al9.jpg
Aftermarket Cooler Installation (Thermaltake DuOrb)
http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/9743/r5xi9.jpg
http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/4306/r6ql3.jpg
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/1849/r7oa9.jpg
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/8779/r8hm7.jpg
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/2800/r9xo5.jpg
Good JOb!!! :up:
regards
^^Good info, looks like XP 32-bit did better then Vista 64-bit in 3D06
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Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle
another user with Vista 64bit and Quad-core @ 4Ghz = 19500 Marks Crossfire Default
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=165494
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Well i don't have much time tonight to run tests but i thought i'd throw on some pics here for you guys to see. I'll probably try to run some benches later this week.
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...s/IMG_1295.jpg
I gotta say that these cards at stock with my setup got me 19500 in 3Dmark06 in Vista64. Not too shabby. Definitely faster than my 2900XT's at stock.
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^^ hmm the 3d06 score is gone
Does a P5E3 (using DDR3 ram)make that much of a difference using Vista 64?
Hmm, 33C load temp decrease by TT DuOrb, interesting to see how this cooler jumps between "outstanding" to a POS. Heh I wonder why bother testing Prey for CF performance?
First of all my mobo is DDR3 as you can see from my review on Hardware Canucks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle
There are a number of differences from the 19500 score and mine:
- I think my Blitz is having a few issues with the 8x/8x hybrid setup
- The Blitz is a "hybrid" 8x/8x mobo versus the 16x/16x P5E3
- My processor is "only" at 3.5Ghz :(
- I had some SERIOUS issues with the 3.44 RC2 drivers and Crossifre
I think this cooler is anything but a POS....especially for the HD3870. That being said, you won't get a Mhz more overclocking headroom with it due to the bug that seems to limit the card to an 860-864Mhz core speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD
Anybody care to guess why the overclocks can't pass 860-865? Do you all think it is a driver/software thing or hardware related?
IMO either voltage or BIOS or a combination of both.Quote:
Originally Posted by 96redformula7
i havnt had any of the crossfire issues with the drivers that came with the card (8.43).
i have to say the performance so far has been anything but shabby. these cards actually run crysis V.well in crossfire @1680x1050 with V.high settings and no AA. same for world in conflict @1680x1050 with all settings maxed except AA. i just couldnt do that with the 2900's...
Looks to me like you are using XP......venture into Vista x64 territory for a second and you may have a different experience. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by purecain
lol i am using vista 64bit ultimate..... :) thats why i thought i'd have problems but apart from the screen going black after my first attempt to install the driver its been fine.. very stable. could be a complete differant story though with a differant chipset or drivers from other peripherals...
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Originally Posted by purecain
you alredy try the new Crysis hotfix for HD3x00 ???
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ATI Releases Crysis Hotfix for Radeon HD 3800 and 2000 Series
ATI has released 737-30533 hotfix for Radeon HD 3800 and 2000 series of video cards. This update is intended for Crysis and Windows XP or Windows Vista 32/64-bit. It fixes:
- DirectX 10: Fixes texture flickering in bushes, clouds, trees
- DirectX 10: Performance improvements
- DirectX 9: Fixes Anti-Aliasing corruption seen on the ATI Radeon 2900 Series
- DirectX 9: Anti-Aliasing performance enhancements
- DirectX 9: Crossfire performance improvements
- DirectX 9: Fixes random graphics corruption during game play
DOWNLOAD
Source: ATI
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=44644
any improvements in CF performance ??
btw:
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AMD Spider Platform Video
This video shows the new AMD Spider platform - the one that's on display for the past week. The platform combines AMD Phenom processors, ATI Radeon HD 3800 series discreet graphics and AMD 7-series chipsets.
AMD Spider Platform (video)
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showpo...45&postcount=1
Funny, HD3870 is just as impossible to buy in Euroland as 8800GT.
Stocking dates go as far as Jan-08.
250 000 cards for launch. My ass...
monty burns must've bought them all.:para:
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/6890/burnscoffee.jpg
^ hahaha ... nice!
x2 :up: :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSamurai
lmfao :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by adamsleath
well the official launch is actually on monday afaik
i saw a power color one with what appeared to be hdmiQuote:
Originally Posted by drjunk
ATi is letting the board partners decide if they want HDMI outputs, but the DVI to HDMI converter that is included works well I hear.Quote:
Originally Posted by grimREEFER
Whats faster 3870 crossfire or 8800gt in sli? I Mean what scales better and whats better for crysis.
3870 CF is a lot faster ...
Linky?Quote:
Originally Posted by madcho
In your dreams maybe...Quote:
Originally Posted by madcho
They are equal technologies and scale about the same.
Seriously though, is there a review that compares a 3870 CF to 8800GT SLI?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
GT in SLI is about 50%Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
RV670 is about 90%
:yepp:
Can you please provide a source? Links to some benches maybe?!Quote:
Originally Posted by madcho
wait 5min, i'm seeking it
Well, just skimmed over this thread and Hardwarecanucks has some CrossFire benches, not compared to 8800GT SLI though.
http://images.hardwarecanucks.com/im...0/HD3870_1.jpghttp://images.hardwarecanucks.com/im.../HD3870_54.jpg
http://images.hardwarecanucks.com/im.../HD3870_58.jpg
90% scaling didn't you say? Doesn't look anywhere near 90% to me, more like 40 - 45%.
http://iax-tech.com/video/3870/38701.htm
Don't forget, nvidia's driver for crysis cheat's in quality.
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...e-preview.html
Single HIS 3870, shoot a GT.
i have seen a test who nobody can deny. i'm looking for it ;)
Sorry guys will not be able to send you some benchies, my Maximus is giving me some problems ... I have a temp issue for my q6600 and It will not let me launch 3d06 because rise my temp too much ... and I don't know why ?
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Originally Posted by Epsilon84
8800Gt SLI Overcloked + Quad-core @ 3.74Ghz = 17.6K (windows Vista)
http://skugge.no.sapo.pt/SLI.jpg
CF HD3870 Default + Quad-core @ 3.5ghz = ~17.5K (windows Vista)
http://images.hardwarecanucks.com/im...0/HD3870_1.jpg
CF HD3870 DEFAULT + DUAL CORE @ 4ghz = 17.7K (windows XP)
http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/6...0070vz6ss0.jpg
CF HD3870 DEFAULT + Quad-Core @ 4Ghz = ~19.5K ??? (windows vista) :
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Well i don't have much time tonight to run tests but i thought i'd throw on some pics here for you guys to see. I'll probably try to run some benches later this week.
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...s/IMG_1295.jpg
I gotta say that these cards at stock with my setup got me 19500 in 3Dmark06 in Vista64..
system:
QX6850 @ 4Ghz
Asus P5E3 Deluxe
4GB DDR3 1600mhz
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...tems/Specs.jpg
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=165494
Mix CF HD3850 256MB + HD3870 + Quad-core @ 3.Ghz = 16.4K (windows Vista)
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/4260/16392hz8.jpg
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Crysis with SLi = +20%
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SLI Boosts Crysis About 20% Performance
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/677...ivers02mv9.jpg
http://en.expreview.com/?p=19
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Any questions?:up:
Also, I already posted 2 pics regarding the SLI and CF so why are you asking the question?
i have the same keyboard under the 3870 :D
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Originally Posted by voltaire2030
at least you got your maximus o work, i never got mine even to post and had to rma
Epsilon,does that post by mascaras satisfy your curiosity? :p: :D
hmm that 3870 crossfire pic looks familiar
kekek
good news
single 3870 pawns 8800gt SSC on crysis with the new 7.11 drivers...
3870 average 31.24fps
8800gt averages 27.45fps
at 1920x1200 DX9 High
it was my exact thoughtsQuote:
Originally Posted by largon
Could you be so kind as to provide a link or pic?Quote:
Originally Posted by cstkl1
All he has is 3Dmark? So... not really? How about some real games or something?Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
Or... better yet, how about a DIRECT TEST between 8800GT SLI and 3870 CF? Now theres an idea! :p
If 3870 CF can beat 8800GT SLI in Crysis, then I'll be impressed. ;)
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Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle
yes, 3dmark is misleading, especially in ati's case.
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Originally Posted by Epsilon84
I would like to know this too and what type of psu do you need for 3870 in CF?
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Originally Posted by cstkl1
very good news !
im not surprised if true because with beta driver the difference betwen both card are only ~2 FPS so with the catalyst 7.11 Oficial driver ( will release 21th) should be better
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A test based on QX6850 and some nice DDR2 RAMs and then some 8800GT Sli and 3870 CF to battle it out is an interesting idea. You will then have to use the 680 chipset in order to run Sli (if I am not wrong) and I’m afraid that most of us that has been down the 680 chipset road will never buy a Nvidia (Intel) chipset board again…Quote:
Originally Posted by Epsilon84
If it turns out that we’ll have Intel boards with Sli support, that my friend is another story but until that happens, you’ll have to go down that Sli road without me…
Rob
one psu with two pci-e :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by malik22
I think less PSU than a 8800GT SLI, 55nm dude :yepp: :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by malik22
Question : In X38 (Pci-e 2.0) is needed the 6pin pci-e connector?
You need 1x6pin connector per card for either 3850 or the 3870.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trox
Unlike the 2900 witch required a 6pin and a 8pin connector per card.
Sli V's xFire would be great to see.... with a single ULTRA in there for further reference.
Interesting, considering the 8800GT actually draws less power under load... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Trox
So much for 55nm then huh?
Re-read his question again.Quote:
Originally Posted by DangeR!
I think you don´t need it, since PCI-E 2.0 delivers 150W through the slot, isn´t it?
yes, even on a 790FX.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trox
It cannot boot without
So 65nm P4s should run colder than 90nms X2? Oh wait... :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by Trox
I doubt. Because the VRM system on the GFX card would have to automaticly change powerinput and such. I dont see that happening without a good extra cost.
BTW madcho, I'm still waiting on those benches with 3870 CF scaling @ 90%! ;)
this thread is for the ATI reviews. Why do nvidia fanboys move in just to strut their 8800gt's? Yes we know its faster, go out and seek a meaningful ego outside online forums and maybe we can have an intelligent discussion for once.
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Originally Posted by Trox
Would a OCZ powerstream 520watt be enough for two in crossfire?
Exactly. And to the newcomer: quit posts like this:Quote:
Originally Posted by EvlUndrWareNome
:down:Quote:
Originally Posted by SimonL
With a highly overclocked cpu you might have issues. Overclocked cpu + gpus and I'm thinking your system will have more issues. Running your cpu at stock should be fine. Personally I'd want a little more power. The AMD website says at least 550w for Crossfire.Quote:
Originally Posted by malik22
I haven't seen the exact powerdraw in ampères yet in the reviews. But OCZ520W likely won't be enough for CF.Quote:
Originally Posted by malik22
i don't think so ...
http://ati.amd.com/products/radeonhd...uirements.html...but take that as absolute minimum, from a high quality brand, on a non-OC'd system.Quote:
ATI Radeon™ HD 3800 Series – System Requirements
- PCI Express® based PC is required with one X16 lane graphics slot available on the motherboard
- 450 Watt or greater power supply with 75 Watt 6-pin PCI Express® power connector recommended (550 Watt and two 6-pin connectors for dual ATI CrossFireX™)
- Certified power supplies are recommended
- 1GB of system memory
- Installation software requires an optical drive
- DVD playback requires DVD drive
- Blu-ray™ / HD DVD playback requires a Blu-ray / HD DVD drive
- For a complete ATI CrossFireX™ system, additional ATI Radeon™ HD 3800 series graphics card(s), an ATI CrossFireX Ready motherboard and one ATI CrossFireX Bridge Interconnect cable per board (included) are required
Guru3D: http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/472/8/Btw, you need 2 x pci-e x 16 slots on your mobo as well, for CF.Quote:
Also recommended is 28 AMP's on the 12 volts rails for stable power distribution (on a single card configuration)
That's not right, the 3850/3870 do not require x16 pcie slots for CFQuote:
Originally Posted by Unbornchild
Source
Oh BTW, the lowest PSU I've found for a 8800GT SLI is 650. With the majority of PSUs well above 650. In other words, I only found 1 PSU recommended at 650 Watts while the rest is well above that.Quote:
Not only that, CF can do on P35, X38, 965, and 975 those motherboard as long as there are 2 PCI-E slot.
:yepp:
550w as an "absolute minimum?" I think not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unbornchild
A normal system with 3870 CF could be run on a quality 400-450w.
I obviously would recommend a quality 500-600w but 550w is recommended by AMD due to them assuming you have a decently loaded system.
Ye. Most quality PSUs can handle it. A HD3870 is 105W board TDP. Add say a Q6600 (95W) and a X38 board (15-25W) and 10-15W for memory and another 20-30W for drives.
But when you broadly recommend. its better to be safe than sorry.
Ive read Sli scales better at high res at 1280 1024 does SLI or CF scale better?
GT is very slow at high res and CF is faster at high res.Quote:
Originally Posted by malik22
AA8x is faster with ATI.
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Nothing to go sli ;)
read this : http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...e-preview.html
Or that your PSUs specs are only correct if you live at the north pole... and leave your window open ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
Why do you keep make up this BS?Quote:
Originally Posted by madcho
http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/468/11
http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/468/13
http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/468/14
http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/468/15
Whats that?
So are you done posting misleading info?
HD 3850 - 105WQuote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
HD 3870 - 130W
As much as everyone that Loves ATI wants these cards to be faster than the 8800GT, it is NOT!!! nor will it ever be with future drivers, just like the 2900XT was NOT faster than the 8800GTS/GTX......trust me i wish they were so i could crossfire 2 of them, but im not going to upgrade intill the next generation of video cards comes along, rv700/9 series.
I think everyone knows that already - and FWIW, in certain games, it does match up around itQuote:
Originally Posted by GAR
But that's not why people are buying it - the cooler, quieter card at a cheaper price + availability + less power draw at idle are all selling factors as well as being CF'able on an Intel board, and not on an nvidia board
It's pretty obvious that
-price
-availability
-construction
-use with current Intel MB's (CF)
-power draw
-ball park performance
Play a factor greater then or equal to a competing product that has performance alone. It is what it is...
Let see if the 8800 256 GT version sells in a similar fashion of the 512 GT.
:yepp:
the main reason i'll buy it is because i have an intel chipset and i definately didn't want the 680i chipset...
price is a big importance to a lot of people. think of it like this, with the current performance of 8800GT/HD3870 as they are and IF the 8800GT was priced at a higher range, would you buy one? probably not, i know i wouldn't but i like supporting the underdog since without them, we'd be paying a lot more out of our asses for computer hardware.
2900XT is NOT faster than the 8800GTS?? :shocked:Quote:
Originally Posted by GAR
2900XT by this recent reviews is absolutly shure faster then 8800GTS 640mb. And that was all due to drivers.
As the part:
Ya right, you must have some cristal ball.....Quote:
nor will it ever be with future drivers,
:rolleyes:
For some this is a gap stop as we await next gen GPUs. At around $200 its worth it knowing that within a few weeks better is coming. But when you get around $300, that's a different story. IMO, the GT is pricing itself well out of the mid range into high end. The performance is right next to the GTX and most are priced around $300. That looks about right since it beats the GTS which is not a mid range GPU(s). With availability as low as it is it make me wonder if GT is a high end gpu. It would explain the availability aspect of it IMO. That would make the GT an high end part competing with a midrange part. Who knows...:shrug:
Final note:
If CF drivers increase thus increasing performance some who purchased a CF setup using 3800 series will think twice before buying a higher end product at a higher price IMO.
Oh lord...havent we been over this a few times before?Quote:
Originally Posted by v_rr
faster in what? 3Dmark06?
http://techreport.com/r.x/radeon-hd-3800/bioshock.gif
http://techreport.com/r.x/radeon-hd-3800/tf2.gif
http://techreport.com/r.x/radeon-hd-3800/timeshift.gif
http://techreport.com/r.x/radeon-hd-3800/crysis.gif
Now give a rest.
I found a 3850 in CF, results are not bad at all!
Anandtech
In those 2 games the performance is on par with the GTX at a lower price point to boot.
With Casino Royal (H.264 codec), 3870 uses 5.8% CPU usage. The 8800GT uses 18.2% of the cpu. With Pirates of the Carribean (H.264 codec), 3870 uses 5.9% cpu usage. The 8800GT uses 19.5% cpu usage.
With King Kong (using VC-1 codec), 3870 uses 6.7% . The 8800GT uses 84% cpu usage. uses The performance is nearly identical using The Matrix (using VC-1 codec).
Pirates of the Caribbean is encoded using H264 too ;)
source
What's the likelihood that reviewers will revisit the GPU with the bios update?Quote:
Just got some interesting info from The Stilt at MuroBBS
He's been testing a HD3870, and like pretty much all reviewers who have OCd the card, reached ~860MHz.
He said, that ATI has already released a new BIOS to fix an issue with the current/review cards - they have the PLL VIO divider set wrong, which prevents the cards from reaching over 862MHz on core. However, most of the retail cards should carry the new BIOS, luckily.
He promised to report with the new BIOS on OCs tomorrow
If this is set wrong we should see an increase in performance at standard clock :eek:. As you OC the performance should scale a whole lot better then before. :eek: :eek:
Where is this bios:p:
I don't care if they re-review the card or not. Just so long as I get the results from a user I will be satisfied.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle
the 3870 for 220 bux @ egg was a good deal.. its sold out tho ...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...me=Video+Cards
Another review - this time in french
Source[/QUOTE]
Ahh, what a joke that review was..
Btw, how can anyone compare CPU usage playing HD in Vista??
Vista will allways hoover on a few percent, rendering the comparison between cards useless.
Wow... maybe ATI is on to something... crossfire seems a lot more reasonable... too bad dual cards are still glitchy... :(
:clap: :clap: :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle
Thats the news I was hoping for. My 3870 is arriving on Monday hopefully, and the Accelero S1 I have laying around here should fit fine. I'll slap a 140mm Yate for some cool & quiet OCing
The French review system setup:
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Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6850
nForce 680i SLI EVGA :rolleyes:
2 Go DDR2
Windows Vista
Forceware 169.04 (169.05 pour Crysis)
Catalyst 7.10 beta :shakes:
How? In Ati or Nvidia point of view? I think Ati did pretty well -except DX10 of course. And that was one of the 2 reviews who actually did their testing at same resolution and operating system as 85% of all gamers (according to steam). Btw, finally seeing someone reviewing games with acceptable framerates, that's my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clint
It seems more and more that in DX9, 512MB 3850 is direct competitor to 8800 GTS 640MB (at 8600GTS price). :shocked:
But... Vista, DX10 and more importantly 64bit OS just smash every Radeon to pieces!
Hehe, exactly..:down:Quote:
Originally Posted by Unbornchild
On that review all ATI cards (HD 3870 inclusive) loses by larges margins in everything. Curiously that doesn´t happen in other reviews.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
All ATI on that review must have Shintai Biased sindrome :cool:
I like your biased handpicked reviews.
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Finally !
I had a bit of problems with my new gig... One OCZ XTC PC8500 stick faulty, will need to RMA ... But system is stable now ... Everything at stock, no OC will wait to have all my WC stuff ...
I have 13,240 3dmark06 and my friend on SLI 8800 GT around 12k ... but he have a X2 6000... That's on Vista 32 and with the default Catalyst that I got from Diamond ...
Details :
http://http://service.futuremark.com...0&UID=12163913
One plus I find with CF is that you don't need to specify, compare to Nv SLI,witch games you need to run in CF ... I didn't play yet Crysis on CF, waiting to get the game soon .... but I played COD4 at 1920*1200 (Dell 24-HC) at EVERYTHING at max and run around 40 and 60 FPS everytime .... Now I'm happy ... Cant wait to OC those cards and find some WC blocks for them, should be good enough for Crysis at high ...
correct link http://service.futuremark.com/orb/re...0&UID=12163913Quote:
Originally Posted by voltaire2030
Congrats voltaire! At least blocks are not so hard to find compared to 2900xt. :)
Can't wait catalyst 7.11 -7.10 was so great job from ati. Crysis and COD4 should see improvements. More crossfire profiles would also be nice.
That bioshock result for 2900XT is WRONG. With 1920X1200 and maxed I get 60+fps all the time.:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by v_rr
old drivers maybe
LOL same here. Reviews just make me smile :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigchrome
^^Agreed, there is a more simpler way to determine the validity of any given reviewer. Each GPU will always scale a certain way for example when at 800x600 to 1280x1024 or from 0xAA to 4xAA. I believe it's repeatable and can weed out any bad reviews. Take a look here and familiarize yourself with how the 3870 scales with other video cards. Since the scalability of any given video card is repeatable any review of it outside of that can be treated as suspect IMO. Can drivers change that? It depends on what the drivers do to enhance or subtract from it's performance. However, if the 3870 is getting consistently lower then average results something is wrong with that review IMO.
If you look here and here you will see the difference between GDDR4 and GDDR3. If you take note (of the 2nd "here" link) you will see at the bottom of that page the 3870 takes less of a hit when AA/AF are used.
When you read this page you will notice how much of a hit the 8800GT takes when 4xAA/16xAF is applied regarding Z-pixel rate vs the 3870. Even though the 3870 is Z-pixel rate is lower, it takes less of a hit when 4xAA/16xAF is applied. IMO, better drivers can improve the Z-pixel rate of the 3870. Since we know that the PLL VIO divider set wrong for the 3870 it's going to be interesting to see what the improvements are if any.