Finally some good news emerging for ATI fans. Looks like we're in for a great summer! :up:
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Finally some good news emerging for ATI fans. Looks like we're in for a great summer! :up:
$200 shipped at Amazon.com pre-order: http://www.amazon.com/Diamond-Radeon.../dp/B001ASJJ4Y
My config nets me decent avg fps at 1440x900 with EdgeAA....modified and improved Luxus Silentium config....
Seriously, try adding 'ai_interestsystem=1' to your autoexec.cfg, enemies stop being quite so thick ;)
Even on Delta?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kai Robinson
Yep - its a cvar thats included, but disabed by default, unless you add it to a config.cfg.
You should look at the cvarlist sometime, it very interesting to look through:
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/8...iscvarsvy9.gif
WTH is pedobear doing there? :rofl: (click)Quote:
Originally Posted by y2kbos
jimmyz!!!!
Can that be real the performance of 4850 and 4870 or it's the next fake??? To me it looks promising and authentic, but to be honest that's what I want to see from the cards, so my opinion is little blurred :).
dammit!!!
hmm, doesnt look official at all but who knows..Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuen4y
it would be nice if they tested at resolutions where you can actually tell a difference. who cares about a 3FPS difference?
Are we there yet ? :p:
When does the 4870X2 launches, August ?
I think the difference in percentage is the decisive one, because it "moves" into different resolutions, so if you have tests of 9800GTX in one game and you know the difference it is far easy to calculate the fps of the ati cards. :) But in fact video cards don't perform in the same way in different res. It depends on a lot of constants.
P.S. @jimmyz, you're talking about a 4850 or what???
Ok as of falling asleep last night, I got most 3dmarks run at 4ghz and default clocks, also ran most at 4ghz with 700/1100 clocks. Crysis is being a PITA. I had to reinstall, I will get the patchs installed and run this afternoon. I have the review almost done, Unfortunately I have to drive for about 4-5 hrs today, I will be back around 12noon EST. probably have my crysis done by 1pm, also gonna do call of juarez, WIC, and lost planet. as well as trying to find a fan sped control program.
He, He, VoltMod Thread started even before the card is relesed. How is that possible :rolleyes:
Only at XS :clap: Thanks jimmyz
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=190990
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Originally Posted by Stuen4y
FAKE !!! The HD4800s specs are completely different ...
how will these compare to gtx280 after volt mods?
Gamesss :slobber: :bows:
I'm skeptical, but not skeptical enough to call foul on this just yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by whocaresbg
The results look indepth enough for it to be genuine. Plus, theres no confirmation on either 480 or 800SP's
Maybe we'll just have to wait for @jimmyz to post game results from his 4850 and then we can be completely sure whether this is fake and the specs are 800sp or the specs are 480sp, as firstly known, and the tests are genuine. We've seen a lot of 3d mark tests, so now we want games :yepp:.Quote:
Originally Posted by whocaresbg
LMFAO ...
The 3850's that I bought for £70 each have just gone back up to £99!
I will try and sell them for £80 each and buy a 4870.
Great should be done by the time i finish work makes for some great late night reading
Any word/rumor on fullcover blocks for these cards?
They should be fully compatible with the 3870 and 3850 blocks.Quote:
Originally Posted by oerekum
Perkam
Are you serious?? Even the fullcover ones? If so then that is awesome!!
I'm pretty sure the 4850s and the 3850s should match, but the 4870s are just a guess based on 4850s.Quote:
Originally Posted by oerekum
Perkam
I hope they match up. Would love to be able to pick up some EK FC nickel blocks for the 4870X2 when it emerges without having to wait for Eddy to get a card to develop around.
Yeah exactly =) Right, back to the sitting and waiting.
this guy already bought a powercolor 4850 in Hongkong
http://my.ocworkbench.com/bbs/showthread.php?p=432522
Link isnt working for me :(Quote:
Originally Posted by waway625
worked for me looks nice but a 4850 isn't my cup o tea I wanna see dem 4870 pics PLZ :)
1GB 4870 please :)
Though with the aggressive pricing of the GTX 260 (if true), it might just make more sense to buy that if the 1GB is going to be > $350
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Originally Posted by oohms
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http://my.ocworkbench.com/bbs/attach...1&d=1213282092
http://my.ocworkbench.com/bbs/attach...1&d=1213282451
http://my.ocworkbench.com/bbs/attach...1&d=1213282451
http://my.ocworkbench.com/bbs/attach...1&d=1213282451
http://my.ocworkbench.com/bbs/attach...1&d=1213282451
http://my.ocworkbench.com/bbs/attach...1&d=1213282451
http://my.ocworkbench.com/bbs/showthread.php?p=432522
:up:
is the 4870 launching with 1gb gddr5 or 512 gddr3, im sick of 512mb cards.......any official word?
Partner cards, and the 4870 uses GDDR5.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAR
4850 1GB should come soon after, I guess July.
Nope, the memory is in a completely different place. Fullcover blocks won't fit. Core only blocks yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
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Originally Posted by oerekum
I doubt that. If you look at the pictures that are cirkulating, you can see that the mem-chips are in a different config. Maybe some fullcover blocks will fit anyway, but not those with elevated areas for the memory.
4850 Top
3870 Bottom
Edit: Whoops Stargazer relplied while I was creating this beautiful picture comparision
Yea, it seems I was only thinking about the GPU :doh:Quote:
Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR
I'm assuming you can grab that a GPU-only block and use it on the 4850 ?
Perkam
Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
Yes a 3850 gpu block would fit for sure.
Ah kk. Ty :)Quote:
Originally Posted by fng77
I'm pretty traditional thinker when it comes to liquid cooling. I've never approved of full-cover GPU blocks due to their size and weight (which should decrease going from air to water imo, not increase) and seeing OPP and Shamino use GPU blocks + copper ram chips has embedded that image in my head :D
Perkam
Weird how the box of the Powercolor 4850 doesn't even tell us SP count or specs
ATI must've REALLY tried hard to keep things under the table this round...
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Originally Posted by perkam
He, he. Yes.
Neither does my Visiontek box.Quote:
Originally Posted by zerazax
the main hole pattern is sized the same as 3850 meaning my maze4 blocks will work. I will be watercooling sunday if i find a clocking workaround by then. the volt mod is found and figured out, it will be up soon.:up:
Is everyone else not paying attention to how hot it is at idle? Like, 68C at idle.
I'm worried about the heat of this card.
Or maybe the fan doesn't spin at idle? lol.
I'd like to know.
ya i cant imagine the load temps, but thats why many of use have water cooling :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark-Energy
my hd3870x2's Idle at nearly that temp because of drivers keeping fanspeed fixed at verry low speed however under full load it barely goes up another 10deg.....
I did end up wireing in a external fan controller for the cards. For some reason using Rivatuner to crank fans to 100% would cause my OC to become unstable (robbing power from the card I guess but the external power supply to the fans cured that).
What makes you think that's the idle temp? The guy just ran the 3DM06 benchmark, the card is just cooling down while he made the screenshot, or maybe he kept CCC open to show the load temp...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark-Energy
My 3870 is 37 celcius idle.
Maybe the fan speed profile is simply set up that way. Stock hd3850s hit 90C+ on load simply because its set up that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark-Energy
We have just put together a £600 system with a P5Q, E8400 and 4850. CPU will be clocked to ~4GHz. We'll be testing it on Monday.
Probably use 3DMark06, Vantage & Crysis any other requests?
http://www.nordichardware.com/image3.php?id=5237
http://www.nordichardware.com/news,7860.html
There you go.
//Andreas
A 4870 benching??Quote:
Originally Posted by initialised
eheh, kidding :D
I know this is making some futurology but it will make sense changing a 8800gts 512mb for one HD4870? i miss the reds...:rofl:
regards
Well looks like AMD continues 38xx policy here.
Not satisfied with one card performance?
Buy secound or third...
For me thats ok.
Some Games people actually play :pQuote:
Originally Posted by initialised
TF2, COD4 and UT3 maybe? At a typical enthusiast res like 1680*1050
Thanks!
Yes, as ATI has been using the same mounting holes in their lastest generations of cards. Even the gigantic R600 had this mounting holes. Every core only block out there will fit :)Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
BTW this threads about ATI are a bit... fast and confusing, aren't they? :eek:
They do run those temps at idle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unbornchild
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=2382
http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/Rade...sted/5829.html
Another request? Yeah, please also include a Yorkfield clocked at a more realistic 3.4-3.6GHz for testing as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by initialised
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Originally Posted by weeds
Why are you so worried about the idle temp?
seem like it is just the same speed at the 3850. When I look at the result it is basically same score on me 3850 on the GC score. So 4850 seem a little disappointedQuote:
Originally Posted by weeds
No, a 4850 on a P45 board. If the leaked benches are true then the 4870 will out strip a 9800GTX by 30-40% and if the above ATi marketting gumpf is right it will also wallop the next gen nVidia cards. From what I've seen with our 4850 the ~30-40% over the GT is about right and ATi have finally nailed the 4xAA bug with the 4800 series.Quote:
Originally Posted by golden_boy
I've only had one recent nVidia card, G92 GTS and it done me proud, we used my OC settings for an SLi system that's had some good reviews. Given that the 4870 will retail for ~£150 and the cheapest GTS I can find is £156 then it might be a worthwhile upgrade provided that the leaks are true.
I doubt we'll have time to change the CPU, besides, 4.0GHz is realistic for an E8400 on an ASUS Intel board, but stock vs clocked is possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by 003
Because its only supposed to burn about 10w at idle. Just doesnt make sense.:shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by fng77
Yes, I know 4GHz is realistic for the E8400. But on a Yorkfield, it is most certainly not, unless you have a QX9850 or QX9770, which most people do not have.Quote:
Originally Posted by initialised
I am dying for the card to be benched on a 3.6GHz yorkfield...
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Originally Posted by mr2sw21
dispite that, I can asure you that that the 4850 will perform better than the 3850 ;)
Yes, youre right. jimmyz reported quite a high idle temp as well. Its hard to beleve that the core gets 60-70 degres with a consumtion of 10 watts. btw is this an official number, i mean 10w idle, sounds very low to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by drjunk
Historically, ATI Fan Profiles are set in a conservative way in that the fan will only spin up when it gets really hot. Most of the time it crosses this threshold in 3D only......even if that means idling at 60-70. The chips can withstand this heat no problem. I don't see what the big fuss is over temperatures anyways, most of us are just going to replace the cooler on Day 1 anyways, and you can always use a different fan profile via Rivatuner or Bios Editing once the tools get updated
I have my trusty old Accelero S1, just waiting to have a nice warm 4850 to cool. Acctually think I´m going to lap it to night, so its of to a good start.
Or is it worth the effort?
ATi HD 4850 has been sold since the beginning of this week in Indonesia, for 220 US$ price. Some people who has been using it say that it's matching or slightly faster compared to 9800 GTX @1280*1024, and the gap is getting wider as the display resolution and IQ setting scale up. From that price, i believe the launch price in USA shouldn't be any higher than 200 US$, since VGA card price in my country is always around 10-20% more expensive compared to north america MSRP.
Thanks for the infoQuote:
Originally Posted by spursindonesia
Just to clarify, when you say "and the gap is getting wider as the display resolution and IQ setting scale up" I hope you mean the 4850 is doing better than the 9800GTX as the resolution increases? :)
I don't know about anyone else, but it doesn't excite me much that a new generation card is beating a last generation, even accounting for the price points.
If Nvidia scales up performance by same amount for their next gen stuff, AMD will still be behind.
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Originally Posted by eleeter
Noo, same here. I dont get excited at all. :rolleyes: Wish they would stop with this silly "develpoment" crap. Faster, cheaper, better, competing, with each other, Bah. However I love a good game of miss Pacman, like in the good old times.
:rofl:
Ok, I was being iroic, please dont hate me, but I do get exited about it :D
i'm so happy with this confirmed news the strong pressure from ATI
and Seeing Nvidia in their nvidias for the first time in more than 2 years
awsome work ATI... congratulations :clap:
Update on the teperature info, stock was 79c idle. I took off the cooler and cleaned it for photo's. when i re-installed it I used A.S. Ceramique and now idle is 54c the stock goop was way too thick I guess.
That's correct, but in games that nVidia G92 has a huge lead over ATi RV670 -Lost Planet for example- HD 4850 could only narrow the gap. OTOH, the impression from my colleagues in local IT forum that has been using the card for the past 2-3 days, the card feels much more consistent through out the game and pretty strong with cranked up IQ setting compared to RV670 cards -aka, it's no longer a benching card, a stigma that's been carried by R(V)6xx cards for quite sometime.Quote:
Originally Posted by conzymaher
Ofcourse, take it with a healthy dose of salt, since this is not a first hand info right away, but the fact that the card is in distribution already in my country is very provable. :)
Good thinking. And nice temp. drop. Perhaps AMD should consider upgrading their tim for future batches.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmyz
How are those benches coming?
I didn't understand that part. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by MrHydes
That makes two of usQuote:
Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle
UT3 Pls :)Quote:
Originally Posted by initialised
Perkam
Thanks for that, I'll bear it in mind for the review rig, hopefully re-gooping it can help get a higher OC.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmyz
I hated my first 2900 stock cooler so much that I blew it up! Am tempted to get a couple of 4850s to replace my current 2900XTs.
why would you do such a thing? That could have not only been very dangerous because of the possibility of the pressure getting too high and the heatpipes bursting, but also you never know what could be in those fumes that could kill you.
That was a bad move imo for you own health and safety, next time just throw away what ever you do want
hey guys check this out, one of my friends noticed this with the 800 SP slide from nordichardware, the pixels of the writing and numbers have different resolutions, meaning that someone might have photoshopped it
http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h8...faceGFlops.jpg
it shouldn't change, which is showed by this picture he made
Any chance of the benches you promised?Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmyz
Three times now, you have said you will post!
Thanks
I don't think I'd have the balls to heat such a thing with a torch :rofl:
I'd be too scared it was going to pop and spray burning hot vapors and copper in my face.
Those are just normal artifacting you get with poor quality jpegs.Quote:
Originally Posted by AliG
JPEG compression artifacts, our image script isn't the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by AliG
//Andreas
My thread is up now, benching coming soon. http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...88#post3059788
:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmyz
never mind, I showed them the site jimmyz bought the 4850 from that said it 800 sp and xcpus shut up, you wouldn't believe how skepticle they are at any news that comes out of this placeQuote:
Originally Posted by NH|Delph1
Look at his review thread and look at the size of the chip
Looks MUCH larger than the RV670 was... the 256mm^2 rumor might not've been true...
It's also rumored (by comparing pics of RV670 & RV770) that the die size is ~275mm^2. That seems more accurate IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by zerazax
Yeah that would make more sense, looks a bit larger from that point of view
I can't seem to find the dimensions glancing around. Will these cards be any longer than the 9800 series for example? In short, will they, and likely the 4780x2, fit in a 900 without issue?
Sorry to ask a silly question covered 15897 times, but I can't remember offhand: was the 4870/4850 pushed back to June 26th, or are they still the 17th or so?
The 4850/4870's are all 9" long I believe so if you have an ATX motherboard, it should be fine
If I can fit an 8800GTX in my antec 900(only had to remove the fan duct behind the top HD Cage(the black one in the middle of the case, not the front bay fans) you should be ok, I'd imagine the 4870x2 can't be that much bigger. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by DarkDisciple
HD 4850 has 800SP
Fact or fiction ??
People are so paranoid.Quote:
Originally Posted by NH|Delph1
I guess most look behind their shoulders all their time knowing someone isnt following them yet.
it seems real ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by nemsis
http://www.unleashonetera.com/
Fact... we have known this for about a week.Quote:
Originally Posted by nemsis
So who is going to xfire 4850 to 38**? :D
I will give it a try this weekend if I get a chance, a 3870X2 and my HD4850.:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Crankybugga
Cool :)
Hope nothing fizzs :censored: