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10-18-2007, 06:57 PM
Ace-a-Rue

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Originally Posted by ChaosMinionX

Anyone using Vista experiencing a long load time from the Windows Vista bootup animation bar, to the the little center vista icon to desktop? from the bootup bar to the center icon flash of vista I get a long black screen?

Thanks in advance.

you can go into msconfig and check off "no GUI" boot...that will shorten the boot time.

the other thought is a driver taking its time to load.
10-18-2007, 07:03 PM
ChaosMinionX

Quote:

Originally Posted by Creek Tha Gray

I work as the Deputy of Counter Intelligence in geeksquad and we have that issue on almost every hp that has cyberlink serviecs on in msconfig don't know if you have that service but if you do disable all cyberlink services program is powerdvd most of the time.

Its a bare Vista install I always trash installs with hardware swaps :)

Will see what else I got kickin around in there.....anyone got problems with enabled onboard audio+LAN And this sort of issue?

EDIT: Maximus on 0505 at same settings compared to my P5K Premium is showing some impressive performance gains from an everest standpoint at least :)
10-18-2007, 07:04 PM
SuperMiguel

so should i enable it?? or not? some one told me if disable it i will get better temps...
10-18-2007, 07:10 PM
ChaosMinionX

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperMiguel

so should i enable it?? or not? some one told me if disable it i will get better temps...

The better temps come from the actual applied voltage being lower....

In theory say you set 1.5v after windows load and load on processor it goes to 1.4v yes its going to be cooler, but no its not giving the right voltage.

With it on theoretically 1.5v should stay 1.5v or as near to that as possible.

So keep loadline enabled, whoever told you to disable it is mistaken since you dont want differences(at least that much) from BIOS set voltage to actual windows and usage load voltage.
10-18-2007, 07:15 PM
SuperMiguel

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChaosMinionX

These settings are 24/7 rock solid. 12hour SmallFFT, 12hour LargeFFT - then ran ram through Memtest86+ for 8hrs and its running a 24 hour Blend @priority 9 right now.

BIOS 0505
Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 8
FSB Frequency :450
FSB Strap to North Bridge :AUTO
PCI-E Frequency: 120
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-900
DRAM Command Rate : 2T
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 4
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 4
RAS# Precharge : 4
RAS# ActivateTime : 10
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 25
Write Recovery Time : 3
Read to Precharge Time : 3

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 7
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6
DRAM Static Read Control: DISABLED
Ai Clock Twister : STRONG
Transaction Booster : ENABLED (2)

CPU Voltage : 1.4250v
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.6v
North Bridge Voltage : 1.49v
DRAM Voltage : 2.18v
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.4v
South Bridge Voltage : AUTO
Loadline Calibration : ENABLED
CPU GTL Reference : .63x
North Bridge GTL Reference : AUTO
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : AUTO
SB 1.5V Voltage : AUTO

NB LED Selection : NB Volt
SB LED Selection : SB Volt
CPU LED Selection : CPU VOlt
Voltiminder LED : ENABLED

CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

Also have 500x7 DDR2 1000/1250 4-4-4-10/5-5-5-15 working as well and stable.

500x7 takes 1.45v and a slight increase on the NB/FSB voltages and ram takes 2.28v for DDR2 1250 stable at 5-5-5-15 with some pretty good subtimings. I got some screenies goin up soon as blend finishes for 450x8.

Done nothing with 400x9 with DDR2 800 or 1000 but I would imagine its all the same, I like higher FSB's more :)

A little test :)

Heres the difference between tweaked subtimings and AUTO

The subtimings I have been using 7-3-5-4-6-4-6 have been great, real stable as well according to blend and memtest. I will be trying to lower the values some more in the coming days.

-Cheers

using the same settings on my bios, and it is not stable :( when ever i run prime 95 it will just freeze :(:( any ideas?
10-18-2007, 07:29 PM
ChaosMinionX

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Originally Posted by SuperMiguel

using the same settings on my bios, and it is not stable :( when ever i run prime 95 it will just freeze :(:( any ideas?

You dont have my ram, or my chip :)

That 1066 stuff you are using probably cant use those subtimings, might come close but nothing at those voltages. And I have a beast of a G0 quad so only use my settings as a reference not verbatim unless you have similar equipment.

On that note heres the fruits of my labor, the following stuff is 24/7 stable.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...x9ddr29003.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...8ddr2900-1.jpg

Everest test was run 2x just for consistency sake.

And heres quick comparison (sans the Maximus's subtiming control, and ability to use higher transaction booster settings. P5K premium wouldnt run Transaction well at all, so I used DRAM Static Read)

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...0x8ddr2900.jpg

You may draw your own conclusions :)

Considerably better read/write and 10ns difference. I would say Maximus is clear winner :)

EDIT: Oh yeah heres the 1M calc :)

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...nX/Capture.jpg

X38 - 14.359s
P35 - 14.835s

Id say thats a nice improvement.
10-18-2007, 07:35 PM
SuperMiguel

well i atually change the ram values to :
BIOS 0505
Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 8
FSB Frequency :450
FSB Strap to North Bridge :AUTO
PCI-E Frequency: 120
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-900
DRAM Command Rate : 2T
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : auto
Row Refresh Cycle Time : auto
Write Recovery Time : auto
Read to Precharge Time : auto

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : auto
Write to Read Delay (S) : auto
Write to Read Delay (D) : auto
Read to Read Delay (S) : auto
Read to Read Delay (D) : auto
Write to Write Delay (S) : auto
Write to Write Delay (D) : auto
DRAM Static Read Control: DISABLED
Ai Clock Twister : STRONG
Transaction Booster : ENABLED (2)

CPU Voltage : 1.5v
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.6v
North Bridge Voltage : 1.49v
DRAM Voltage : 2.18v
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.4v
South Bridge Voltage : AUTO
Loadline Calibration : ENABLED
CPU GTL Reference : .63x
North Bridge GTL Reference : AUTO
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : AUTO
SB 1.5V Voltage : AUTO

NB LED Selection : NB Volt
SB LED Selection : SB Volt
CPU LED Selection : CPU VOlt
Voltiminder LED : ENABLED

CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

this is how my bios looks
10-18-2007, 07:37 PM
ChaosMinionX

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperMiguel

well i atually change the ram values to :
BIOS 0505
Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 8
FSB Frequency :450
FSB Strap to North Bridge :AUTO
PCI-E Frequency: 120
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-900
DRAM Command Rate : 2T
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : auto
Row Refresh Cycle Time : auto
Write Recovery Time : auto
Read to Precharge Time : auto

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : auto
Write to Read Delay (S) : auto
Write to Read Delay (D) : auto
Read to Read Delay (S) : auto
Read to Read Delay (D) : auto
Write to Write Delay (S) : auto
Write to Write Delay (D) : auto
DRAM Static Read Control: DISABLED
Ai Clock Twister : STRONG
Transaction Booster : ENABLED (2)

CPU Voltage : 1.5v
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.6v
North Bridge Voltage : 1.49v
DRAM Voltage : 2.18v
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.4v
South Bridge Voltage : AUTO
Loadline Calibration : ENABLED
CPU GTL Reference : .63x
North Bridge GTL Reference : AUTO
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : AUTO
SB 1.5V Voltage : AUTO

NB LED Selection : NB Volt
SB LED Selection : SB Volt
CPU LED Selection : CPU VOlt
Voltiminder LED : ENABLED

CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

this is how my bios looks

Increase your NB value to 1.53v and see what she does.
10-18-2007, 08:17 PM
SuperMiguel

is actually my ram...when ever i run the prime small test. it will run perfect. so it is my ram.... what can i do or what should i do?
10-18-2007, 08:28 PM
ChaosMinionX

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperMiguel

is actually my ram...when ever i run the prime small test. it will run perfect. so it is my ram.... what can i do or what should i do?

Set transaction booster to 1, but keep subtimings as is....might be too tight timings.
10-18-2007, 08:37 PM
SuperMiguel

should i get new memory?? like the same but a new pack??
10-18-2007, 08:49 PM
ChaosMinionX

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperMiguel

should i get new memory?? like the same but a new pack??

Nope... it probably wont change. The difference between your memory, and my memory is about 250$ difference per 2GB kit, and alot more binning as well it was binned for CAS3 DDR2 800.

Just relax some of the settings in your bios, and tweak some voltages and keep trying it. Every rig is going to act differently.
10-18-2007, 08:50 PM
SuperMiguel

is there any software better than core temp to measure cpu temps??
10-18-2007, 08:52 PM
SuperMiguel

my mem should be better than your right?
10-18-2007, 09:02 PM
ChaosMinionX

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperMiguel

my mem should be better than your right?

No, at date of purchase my ram was about $900, the Dominator 8500's were only about $500-600 for 4GB kit and are like 2nd from bottom of the dominator lineup.

IMO 9136 and 6400C3 (and I would say my 6400C3's can hold their own against 8888's at 2.4v considering I run 1000 4-4-4-12 at 2.18v) are about on the same playing field, where 8888 and 10000 are high performance.

The binning on 6400C3DFs is alot higher than the 8500s, its considered more of a "performance" part than the 8500s are since my ram will do right up to DDR2 1100 4-4-4-12. 8500s are CAS 5 @ 1066, and my subtimings can be alot tighter given they are higher binned chips...then again in the semiconductor world its all really random from each piece even if it is meticulously binned for performance.

EDIT: Also note, they have discontinued Micron IC's on the 8500 lineup... not sure of the production cutoff date, but the newest kits will not be micron based.

Source:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/Forums/...d.php?t=158651

If you purchased those recently Miguel, check your sticker on the side of your ram...you might not have Micron if they are brand spankin new.
10-18-2007, 09:08 PM
E.R

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChaosMinionX

Im running 4x1GB and its flawless at any speed (up to DDR2 1250 5-5-5-15) and so long as the divider isnt borked.

Thanks, that give some hope about my new WC-cooled memory. Only as last option i will trade them for 2x2GB:s.
10-18-2007, 09:09 PM
SuperMiguel

cant make my memory stable :(
10-18-2007, 09:15 PM
ChaosMinionX

Quote:

Originally Posted by E.R

Thanks, that give some hope about my new WC-cooled memory. Only as last option i will trade them for 2x2GB:s.

You should be perfectly fine mate :)

@Miguel - did you set Transaction booster to 1? or even off you might not be able to run it at all.

Also try this

BIOS 0505
Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 8
FSB Frequency :450
FSB Strap to North Bridge :AUTO
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-900
DRAM Command Rate : 2T
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 4
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 30-35 (should work)
Write Recovery Time : 4
Read to Precharge Time : 4

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : auto
Write to Read Delay (S) : auto
Write to Read Delay (D) : auto
Read to Read Delay (S) : auto
Read to Read Delay (D) : auto
Write to Write Delay (S) : auto
Write to Write Delay (D) : auto
DRAM Static Read Control: DISABLED
Ai Clock Twister : AUTO
Transaction Booster : AUTO

CPU Voltage : 1.5v (try going lower, run Prime95 on SmallFFT Priority 9 with round off checking to find lowest Vcore setting)
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.6v
North Bridge Voltage : 1.51v
DRAM Voltage : 2.20v
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.4v
South Bridge Voltage : AUTO
Loadline Calibration : ENABLED
CPU GTL Reference : .63x
North Bridge GTL Reference : AUTO
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : AUTO
SB 1.5V Voltage : AUTO

NB LED Selection : NB Volt
SB LED Selection : SB Volt
CPU LED Selection : CPU VOlt
Voltiminder LED : ENABLED

CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

any questions about that feel free to ask Miguel.

After you find lowest Vcore for your CPU using SmallFFTs from Prime95---- Go ahead and mess around with RAM settings and run Memtest 86+ 1.7 and let it loop 2-3 times and see if it comes up with any red.. if not tweak a little more see if you get any and repeat till you get red. Then relax and try 1 more loop and if your happy with your current timings and voltages then go for a 12-24hr Prime95 Blend with roundoff checking.
10-18-2007, 09:18 PM
SuperMiguel

what is better:
1- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145043
2- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...r%2bDDR2%2b800
10-18-2007, 09:21 PM
ChaosMinionX

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperMiguel

what is better:
1- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145043
2- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...r%2bDDR2%2b800

the 8500C5D's if they are still micron, if not its a toss up between the 2 kits.

My ram is the 6400C3DF found here.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...5&Tpk=6400c3df
10-18-2007, 09:25 PM
SuperMiguel

and yours will be alot better than what i have right now? BTW my is the new version 2.2..
10-18-2007, 09:26 PM
TinTin

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperMiguel

what is better:
1- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145043
2- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...r%2bDDR2%2b800

Some revisions of these KITs are not D9 ;)
10-18-2007, 09:29 PM
ChaosMinionX

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperMiguel

and yours will be alot better than what i have right now?

In short yes.....if you have the money, but cant guarantee they will run the same speeds as the 2 kits I have.
10-19-2007, 12:55 AM
herwawan

Mmmh I think my CPU isn't really good because I can't pass 460Mhz for the FSB, and I had the same problem with same CPU on the Blitz Formula ...

Is it possible for an E6850 ES to be at maximum at only 460Mhz FSB ?
10-19-2007, 01:25 AM
Talonman

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperMiguel

so if we are water cooling we shouldnt put any fan blowing toward the processor?

I wish we had sombody from ASUS here, to speak to this......

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