guys please post vcore in bios not cpu-z :)
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guys please post vcore in bios not cpu-z :)
Real vcore its the one reported by CPU-Z not the one selected in bios ! Also all boards have different Vcore and Vdrop
anyway i have pencil Mod on P5E X38 :
Vcore in Bios = 1.33v >> 1.31v windows idle >> 1.304v windows Full
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=2300
regards
mascaras
so my e8400 1,35v bios / windows idle 1.32 / load 1.33v 450x9 not bad at all?
just checked my results
for 445x9 bios was 1.3375 / win idle-load appx 1.31
altho i wanted it below 1.3v in bios:)
Me too, and good luck!
A few notes...seems this one has a weak second core. I've been finding that at 4.4 & 4.3 core 2 fails one particular 10K fft test ~35 minutes into a blend run. The run pictured probably passed because I was doing something else while it was running at that particular point taking some of the load off. Also, the thing failed on the same core at the 10 hour mark for the run pictured doing a ~896k fft. I messed with a bunch of stuff and same thing, it hates doing that particular 10k fft test ~35 minutes in.
Right now I'm doing a run that looks like will be a solid 4.2 speed at a easy 1.344 vcore loaded, no apparent goofyness yet. Once I get maybe 12 hours out of it at this speed, I might drop the multi to 8 to get a divider that will speed up the memory within its abilities.
Post how yours turns out!
so far so good at 4Ghz 1.3v. Im gonna let it run Orthos over night and then continue tomorrow. 4.2 at 1.34 sounds pretty nice though. Looks like we have identical cooling as well. I'll make sure to post how it turns out.
Very nice Budwise. CAnt get mine to boot at 1900mhz FSB. I didnt bump the voltage up from my 1.375 but think it might be the memory being my limiting factor.
I can confirm degradation of E8400...
yesterday worked 450x9 1.35 bios just fine 2hours OCCT...
today i tried 458x9 at 1.3875 bios crashed so went back to 450x9 at 1.35 bios...OCCT crashed after 1hour....
damn it :(
same thing....crash code 4.
Hows your droop?
I thought my chip was degrading too...
But then I discovered my board got increasingly droopy over time....
So I moded it and the chip started working fine at the same Volts as it did originaly.
What does your OCCT Vcore graph look like? The one that crashes.
Do you run it at 1.35 all the time?
If so how long have you been running it at that vcore? Have you done any suicide runs and if so how high did you up the voltage. I'm very interested cause I've read lots about this chips degradation. Also what batch number do you have? Can you run it at a lower OC or is the chip failing?
I thought mine degraded too, after running it at 1.55v briefly for a benchmark. The next day it was fine. It seems as though they just need to "cool off"....
droop is 1.35 bios....load 1.32.
I been benching for 2-3 days now, tried to find max oc. Max I ran was 1.3875v in bios for few hours - 1.368 idle / 1.36 load. OCCT crashed after few minutes. Never tried 1.4v.
Then i lowered back to re-test 450x9 at 1.35v which was stable the day before for 2hours CUSTOM CPU OCCT test.
Now I'm re-testing 445x9 at 1.3375v bios which was also 2hours OCCT CPU only stable, will report back here.
I run my for a hour or 2 each day 1.55v+ 501x9 for benching (thats all I do with it) and it's fine day after day.
you have 65nm and probably wate colling ?
Necron66 owns Q6600 and E8400... think he's on Air
well i know i won't be pushing it with 1.55vcore :P
I cant seem to get my E8400 running with lower vcore. Pushing 425x9 at 1.36875v at the minute. Seems stable, need to prime for a while to make sure. 4ghz+ seems to require an utter beast of volts to even get stable enough to bench in Windows.
Most voltage settings are at Auto for 425x9, bumped PLL upto 1.5 for 445x9, FSB Term 1.2v, NB 1.59V plus a few others manually changed (someone elses Max Formula and E8400 settings). No joy. SPI 1m crashed 2s in.
Looks like my batch aint that great! :( Either that or I fail at BIOS settings!
I think you better go into Maximus formula thread, I think your Bios settings are more the culprit then the CPU... SuperPI 1mb doesn't put much stress on a CPU...
A little follow-up on my E8400 Q750A205 chip. Did a little voltage tweaking beyond what I described in my first post for 100% Orthos stable running.
Final Orthos stable OC's...
On water cooling. Ambient temps ~79-81F during testing.
4.2 Ghz 1.368 vcore
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j1...42_12hours.jpg
4.3 Ghz 1.4 vcore
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j1...43_10hours.jpg
4.4 Ghz 1.464 vcore
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j1...44_12hours.jpg
I'm going to leave it at 4.4 Ghz...just a hair over the Intel max of 1.45 vcore, what could that hurt? :p:
We'll see in a few months if I'll be buying a new cpu, lol. I'll say this...this thing sure is crisp and snappy. :cool:
leave it at 4.3, 1.4v
Got a Q801A I believe E8400 OEM from newegg today. Trying to get measly 4ghz stable with my TRUE + yate. Core 1 idles 4-5C lower than core 0, which leads me to believe I have a bad mount. Orthos they load the same, 61-62c. 1.35v BIOS on my maximus formula and orthos makes it a whole 4 minutes 15 seconds. I'm not very happy. Going to be taking the watercooling dive for the nth time it seems :(
no almost all wolfdales have wacky sensors. They just don't work right with core temps.. I've had 4 total now and none work right unless you use realtemps
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=179044. intel has address this and said the tjunction senors are only for throttling and the sensors do seem to be right underload in core temps.
but from experience it doesn't look right either sometimes the cores are only 6 to 10 degrees hotter under load than the socket temps, and thats for sure not right. In the past they were alway about 15 degrees higher. That was also true with my yorkfield quad and it is 45nm. It's sensors were all with in a degree after I used it for a few days and it worked fine with core temps and looked right. Now real temps was about 10 degrees cooler? Something is wrong with real temps aswell. It appears close but not exactly right. Plus everyone has always said the posted temps on intels web site are for the T junction but intels say thats not so it's for the surface of the chip or the heatshield. They also say that the 105 Tjunction temps are not correct but don't say what is. I think intel made crappy senors in thw wolfies or atleast one that don't work with core temps.
Seeing some of you guys clocks & voltage makes me want to throw my E8400 at the wall.
My suggestion run OCCT and look at what the graphs tell you. HOnestly it transformed my experiance.
You can really monitor whats going on and narrow down problems.
You'll know how good your PSU is, how droopy your board gets, when it gets droopy and how it relates to voltages, when you get spikes.....
Hi there,
Since there is no dedicated topic to E8200, I though I could my question here. Just recently switched from E6750 to E8200 and now I am trying to find stable settings for my E8200 (batch: Q744...) to run @4ghz for 24/7/385 use with the following setup:
MOBO: Asus P5K-E WIFI-AP (v.1006 bios)
CPU: C2D E8200 (batch: Q744...) @4,00ghz (1,353v vcore) cooled by TT Big Typhoon
RAM: 2x1GB Crucial Ballistix DDR2 @1200Mhz (PC2-6400, D9GMH chips)
HDD: Western Digital Caviar RE2 500GB x 2 (INTEL RAID)
VGA: CLUB 3D 8800GTS (G92) (800/1950/2200) cooled by Accelaro S1
SOUND: Creative SOUND BLASTER X-Fi Xtreme Music
PSU: Zalman ZM850-HP
So with the above setup and following bios settings I was able to run Orthos for 7+ hours with no crashes (see the screen right above):
FSB strap to north bridge: 333MHz
FSB Freq.: 501
PCIE Freq.: 105
DRAM Freq.: DDR2-1200MHz
DRAM Command Rate: 2N
DRAM Timing Control: AUTO
DRAM Static Read Control: Disable
Transaction Booster: Enabled (2)
CPU Voltage – 1,425v (1,392v real)
CPU PLL Voltage – 1,50v
FSB Termination Voltage - 1,10v
DRAM Voltage – 2,20v
NB Voltage – 1,40v
SB Voltage – 1,20v
Clock Over-Charging Voltage – AUTO
Load-Line Calibration – Enabled
CPU GTL Voltage Reference – AUTO
NB GTL Voltage Reference – 0,61x
CPU Spread Spectrum – DISABLE
PCIE Spread Spectrum – DISABLE
CPU Ratio: 08.0
CIE Support: DISABLE
Max CPUID Value Limit: DISABLE
Vanderpool Technology: DISABLE
CPU TM Function: DISABLE
Execute Disable Bit: DISABLE
Anything to improve in those above mentioned bios settings, except for lowering CPU Voltage?
So since the CPU voltage was pretty high at 1,425v in bios and with vdrop of 0,033, 1,392v real. With the same settings intact, except for lower CPU voltage (1,3850v in bios/1,1352v real), I cannot get it Orthos stable, however OCCT (AUTO mix) runs with no crashes up to CPU voltage - 1,3850v in bios / 1,352v real (see the second screen right above). I was thinking that maybe I am running the RAM to high, but then again nothing changed if I set it 1000mhz (still orthos stable with voltage @1,392v and anything less gets orthos-unstable).
BTW, if CPU GTL is set to any value but AUTO, I get either BSOD or 5second Orthos crash :) . Same thing NB GTL – it only works if its set to 0,61x.
Is it safe to leave the CPU running @1,425v (1,392v real) or even @ 1,3850v in bios / 1,352v real ?
http://www.eoz.lv/forum/attachment.p...6&d=1207127133
http://www.eoz.lv/forum/attachment.p...5&d=1207127133
If I may say P5K Dlx is way easier to setup... voltages are way better and are spot on and almost no ripples under testing... Dunno why but my Maximus overvolts : CPU PLL, NB, RAM... it undervolts FSB termination voltage... Max FSB was same for both boards, my Q6600 topping at 475FSB Stable, both Qx9650 around 465-470ish level...E8400 did 500FSB but I sold that CPU...
X38 performs slightly better on the ram though nothing to talk about daily... and I still cannot get 400FSB/1000mhz ram to work with the Gskill PC8000PQ set... works fab on the P5K DLX...
I guess I am happy with my e8500 at 4ghz then with only 1.275 volts.
Not a clue. I don't think anyone knows for sure. Has anyone actually LOST a CPU entirely yet? I'm ramming 1.45v down mine on air cooling :X maximus formula, not sure how bad the droop is.Quote:
Is it safe to leave the CPU running @1,425v (1,392v real) or even @ 1,3850v in bios / 1,352v real ?
I have been @ 1.375 bios 1.352 cpuid for over a month and a half now... no problems at all. I cant see there being any problems under 1.45v. I am going to work on 1900fsb but every combination I've tried so far give me BSOD... anybody else experience this?
Actually, the latest I've seen on degradation is here
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...179965&page=10
they seem to have come to the conclusion that those reports of degradation are probably based mostly on PSU & motherboard
Here is my chip:
Stability: 48Hours Small FFTs orthos still running!
CPU: e8500
OC: 4000 MHz
Stepping: C0
Week: Q740
Code: A518
Vcore 1.2875
Cooling: Air
Cooling brand/Model Thermalright Ultra Extreme 120 (Lapped)
Motherboard Asus Rampage Formula
Bios Version 0215
Operating System Vista x64
Ram brand: Crucial Ballistix
Ram rated speed: 8500
Ram actual speed: 1000
Latency: 5-5-5-18-2t
CPU Z Validation:
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=339421
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/3527/e8500oced9.jpg
I can't break 4.34Ghz to save my life. I don't know if its the board or chip. i can get it stable at 4.3, but i can't even get into windows anything above that :down:. I'm stable at 4.0 with only 1.26v, i was thinking with water cooling i could at least hit 4.5Ghz for some bench runs.
Are these good temps for my setup, Apogee GTX, MCR320 rad..
At 4.0Ghz 1.26v. I get 21c idle and 37c load (CPU temp "Tcase?"). The cores read 48-50 on load (im still thinking the core readings are wrong.)
At stock clocks/volts. The temperature only goes up 1c on load (21c "cpu").. I'm always paranoid, i think all of the air is out of the system.
Try booting the fsb needed for 4.34+ with a lower multi. Might just be the CPU fsb walling :(
Those temps are excellent. I was having a hard time booting at 1900fsb or 4.275ghz too. I eventually got it to boot at 4.5ghz or 2000mhz fsb with 1.6 volts. TEmps were high but it passed 3dmark06. Temps were in the 60's on load and 40's idle. That's with really good air cooling.
Try giving that sucker a ton of volts and it will boot!
Most socket temps on most motherboards are far from 100% accurate, 100% of the time. That's the whole reason that Intel went to on chip temperature sensors. You also can't compare the difference between socket and core temps when you are using two different processor families like 45nm and 65nm. The 45nm chips are much more compact and could be transferring more heat directly to your socket sensor so the smaller delta might be caused by that. You would need to do some more testing to find out for sure.
Just a minute here. Now you're getting personal! :DQuote:
Something is wrong with real temps as well.
I wrote RealTemp because all of the other temperature monitoring software was out to lunch for my E8400. When RealTemp is properly calibrated, it can track the core temperature of my E8400 within a degree or two from 10C to 100C. It's hard to get any more accurate than that when the DTS sensors were never designed to give out accurate idle data and when the data coming out is only integer values.
Here's a good comparison of temperature software when using my E8400:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=573
I'm presently running a Q6600 and have noticed that one of the four sensors is reporting about 4C lower at idle so I'm planning to add individual calibration for each core. I wasn't planning to include that option for the dual cores since they typically track each other pretty closely but after reading some posts here it looks like I'll be adding that feature to the dual cores as well. The correct TjMax combined with this feature can really help improve the accuracy of your reported core temperatures.
can someone give me a link to download orthos. I have orthos sp2004 and have been using prime. I notice all use beta version. Where do I get beta? Looked all over net cant find.
Thanks
Has someone tested Q750A219 ? cant find any results.
INstalled orthos... extracted to desktop. When I double click on icon a message comes up says "This application has failed to start because WORKER.KLL was not found. Re-installing the application may fix this problem." Re-installing the app did not help. Any ideas?
@ Leeghoofd, tried that... put it in my docs. Same problem. Any other suggestions? Would prime95 be just as effective in stress testing? Maybe beta orthos isnt compatible with Vista? Orthos 2004 worked fine.
Orthos.exe and worker.dll should be in the same folder - that's all :)
Just got mine E8400, and what a charm :)
E8400
FPO: Q746A381
Version: E27439-001
Pack Date: 01/09-2008
S-spec: SLAPL
voltages: (don't mind the coretemps, Everest doesn't read them properly)
(Nord Bro kerne is NB, Syd Bro kerne is SB)
http://2200kbhn.dk/showpic.php?id=46
CPUZ:
http://2200kbhn.dk/showpic.php?id=43
http://2200kbhn.dk/showpic.php?id=44
http://2200kbhn.dk/showpic.php?id=45
..and I havent really started pushing it yet..
^^ yeah... I want to see orthos stable for an hour at least. :cool:
Alright... got orthos to run... Here is where I'm at so far. Please let me know how Im doing. Not as low of volts as some but oh well. It's 1.38 in bios.
Can you say "degradation"? It failed after 45 mins. Before @ 1.375v bios it was passing prime95 for hours. I never did Orthos the first time so I dont know if it would have passed then. Now it's 1.381 in bios and failing after 45mins. I will bump up volts in bios and see if it makes it past the 45min mark.
Hi there having problem getting up to 4ghz stable with e8200. running on asus p5e 1.4v in bios! have tried upping northbridge etc any ideas?
So a question. I just sold my cpu, mb and ram and picked up an EVGA 790i ultra, a set of PC3-10666 OCZ 2x1 GB Platinum
http://www.tomshardware.com/2008/01/...out/page8.html
(based on the tom's testing above, apparently its pretty decent mid range DDR3 ram).
For a cpu, I would really like a retail E8500 but can't find one anywhere in canada (Tiger direct has the OEM but it will cost me $380 shipped because they force you to buy a cheapo heatsink as well).
What should reasonable expectations be for a retail box E8400? I'd really like to have 4 ghz for daily use (I have a lapped Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme so temps should be fine).
Is this realistic? I've read through the forums that excessive voltage seems to degrade the E8400 over time (which i don't want to do).
what can I roughly expect on air?
thanks
^^ well if you've read any of this thread :ROTF:
You would know!
No really... 4.05ghz or 1800mhz FSB should be easily attainable with your set-up. You really wont put much effort into a 4ghz overclock. I've been having problems at around 45mins of stress testing that I think voltage can fix but I dont see it in any other day to day use. I also was able to boot and complete 3dmark06 at 4.5ghz or 2000mhz fsb. That gave me a killer score too!
I bought mine from tigerdirect for 229.
Thanks for the feedback. there are a couple of local stores here in toronto that are selling them for $230.
If the E8500 retail was out I'd buy it but the latest i heard now was next month.
does anybody have E8400 Q807A274?..
if yeas how is witch OC and Voltage Thanks boys
I just pickup and E8200 Stepping Q747A505, a very bad chip :(. It can't even do 4Ghz with 1.396v.
so is everyone for the most part happy with their e chips??
Are E8200 Q8xx any good?
yeah i got that e8200 chip as well! shocking! i can get orthos stable one day with a vcore of 1.43 in bios 1.4 in windows, nd the next wont do anything will freeze up, blue screen frankly its a royal pain in the ass! running mine with asus p5e nd reaper ram! not worth money wish i had held out bit longer for new quads!
yeah i got that e8200 chip as well! shocking! i can get orthos stable one day with a vcore of 1.43 in bios 1.4 in windows, nd the next wont do anything will freeze up, blue screen frankly its a royal pain in the ass! running mine with asus p5e nd reaper ram! not worth money wish i had held out bit longer for new quads![/QUOTE]
Well I went ahead and picked up a retail E8400 Q802A568.
Without reading through the novel this thread has become, any feedback on the stepping?
thanks
Just got in a retail E8400 today from mwave.com. Pack date is 3/27/08 so it's ultra fresh. Currently priming at 3.83ghz (425 * 9), 1.25v in bios on a DFI P35 UT T2R. It primed fine at 3.6ghz stock voltage but only for about 10 minutes before I wanted to try higher.
I'll post back later with further results.
Alright... so I thought I would try to see how low I could go. This is about it... cant really remember what I set it to in bios but this is what it reads in cpu-z under load. Sniggle.... try 1800fsb. I couldnt get it stable below 1.38+ in bios.
It's not that I wasn't stable at 3.6; it's that I didn't give it a chance to fail. I knew this chip could do better. :D
Now priming at 4.05ghz @ 1.33v in bios. When I tried 4.2 it would not even do one iteration of prime before failing even at 1.36v so I knew I was hitting the point of diminishing returns. I might try to optimize further to get 4.2 stable but 4.05 was my goal so I'm good here for now.
Hello, my first post on this forum so i hope it's gonna be a good one. Yesterday I've installed a Scythe Ninja Plus so i wanted to see what can my e8400 do. The FPO is Q746A496 and it's pack date 1/31/08. Tell me what do you think about the temperatures and give me tips because i need them :) . I know it should be a 1 hour Orthos test, but i got bored after 10 minutes :D .
I am going to settle on 4.15ghz @ 1.4v for now. It's needing way more voltage to get any higher. This setting is prime (small fft) stable for 9.5 hours which is good enough for me. I might actually be able to get away with lower voltage since I made a fairly random jump to 1.4 after 1.38 didn't work @ 4.2ghz.
The chip is a SLAPL, FPO is Q802A321
The temps on this chip are way out of kilter.
With realtemp, idle is high 40's but load is only a couple of degrees higher.
I was able to oc to 3.6 at auto voltage (little over an hour of orthos so far)
The VID on this chip is 1.0625 (not sure if that is good or not though)
Are the temps actual? I have a lapped thermalright ultra 120 e with a monster fan on it. With my Q6600 overclocked to 3.2, idle was around 34c or less on cores and load maxed out at 52C and downwards.
@ Robilar: Mine idles at 34c no matter how low I go. For example my o'c 4.05ghz 1.38v idles 34c. My 3.6ghz 1.2v idles 34c. I have non-lapped TRUE. I say just make sure it's mounted solid and you should be good.
@ ovidiu: 10mins means jack IMO. I've ran solid for 45mins and gotten errors after that. I would say IMHO that 2 hours is proof of stability. Anything shorter just doesn't cut it in my book. Post back with a 2 hour stress or longer for stability praise
:D
@ sniggle. That's rock solid stable IMO. What is memory set to? Linked/unlinked? all other settings. I've had a hard time above 1800mhz FSB. Actually I was stable for 10 hours Prime95 @ 1800mhz, 1.375v and when I did orthos I was failing after 45mins same settings. I never did try to get orthos stable I went all the way up to 1.385 or something and just got mad. I am stable now though at 1600mhz @ 1.2v, pretty happy with low setting.
General q: I set Intel speedstep auto and power management in windows to balanced. So multi at idle drops to 6x. Is there a reason why I shouldn't do this? I mean it jumps up with a load. I just figured why not save a bit on energy bill when I'm not playing games or using cpu intensely. The power is there when I need it and it's stable. I'm just wondering why others aren't doing this.
:shrug:
My Core 0 is stuck on 34C until I get over that, then it works, Core 1 seems to work, at least I think so as it says I am 27C idle.
Smart Guardian gives my 15C idle.
Larry
Here is my E8400 Q748A094 i m happy for now:D
http://static.album.email.si/1/5/497...xTsGQ8Rwxz.jpg
@ GUFY Nice job, and NO problem seeing the Screen Shot :D
Larry
My wet dream :p:
4.5 Ghz
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j1...0/gofaster.jpg
Dies on small FFT's, pushed vcore to 1.488 before cowardace set in. What do you guys think...venture into 1.5+ vcore territory? :D
I love those nice round numbers, makes a killer screenshot
@ AndyM, What are your other voltage settings, ie; VTT and Northbridge at?
Larry
I have to wonder if people aren't doing something in their initial testing that's different from later testing. I know I had some similar/strange behavior on my e6750 - I was 100% stable (OCCT for like 6 hours) at 3.6ghz for the first couple of months, following that I could only hit 3.35 with some instability at the same volts.
The biggest thing I wonder is if ambient conditions changed, or airflow, or dust accumulated in the machine, that kind of thing.
Well, may help to give the NB Just a nudge if it starts getting flakey on you.
Larry
Memory is unlinked at 5:6. Haven't tried orthos yet but I just played Titan's Quest for a few hours with no issues. Before I go to sleep tonight I might drop the vcore and NB voltage a notch and see if it's still stable. Maybe even the VTT since I upped it on a whim.
Wet dream:rofl:
Here's my wet dream :
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/2...3142br2.th.jpg
Load 66-68* you can see them at the taskbar down...
Can run all 3dmarks ~ 4650-4700 @1.41-1.43V range
Here's one 4625 1.41 ilde load goes to 1.392...
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/7...4113rk2.th.jpg