If the max multi is ~47x then that is a bit disappointing, as I was hoping for a ~5GHz overclock on air with the 2500K. Still, 4.7GHz isn't bad and would leave any current i5 750/760 in the dust.
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If the max multi is ~47x then that is a bit disappointing, as I was hoping for a ~5GHz overclock on air with the 2500K. Still, 4.7GHz isn't bad and would leave any current i5 750/760 in the dust.
honestly i think not, anyone who has a p55 i5, i'd say stick with what you got and upgrade in 2011, as if u go SB your gonna have to upgrade again as 2011 high end is gonna kick some serious butt, 8cores vs 4 core hmmQuote:
Originally Posted by ghost_recon88
What's the point of more cores though if barely anything you do on the comp benefits from more than 4 cores. IPC & max OC gains helps in all cases though. I won't buy 6-8 core CPUs until they are reasonably priced like Intel quad core CPUs today (I don't want to pay a premium for something I don't need), I'd expect that to happen the very earliest by aprox 10 months until more than 4 core CPUs becomes very interestingly priced though. But we shouldn't disregard AMD this time around either, doesn't necessarily have to turn into another budget CPU setup this time.
i don't recall anyone mentioning this, but none of the benchmarks take advantage of AVX is that correct?
I would expect a rather large performance increase if AVX was used.
yes especially because these processors are designed to work very well with AVX
looks like 2600K is the only viable option :(
you really think its a bug ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by Chri$ch
just as intel ACCIDENTALLY broke bclock overclocking? come ooooon now... :D
well thats over a 10% boost, plus the ipc boost of 0-20%...Quote:
Originally Posted by Etihtsarom
so it depends i guess... for me, no, it doesnt make sense to upgrade, especially since i have to get a new board...
upgrading from 775 makes more sense, but even there... idk...
getting a new vga or ssd or bigger display or more memory is all going to have a bigger impact than upgrading the cpu...
you honestly think enthusiasts wont touch 1155?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
what "enthusiasts" are you talking of? :D
15% average depends on what benchmarks you choose to create an "average" ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by god_43
i spend most my time browsing the web, typing and watching videos... and i can guarantee you i wont see a 15% boost on average ^^
not anymore, qpi has such a massive bandwidth that its not limiting anything, even at the lowest bclock its more than enough...Quote:
Originally Posted by koc
besides, the bclock isnt the bus speed, its the reference clock, the actual bus speed is half the marketing number that intel uses for QPI
so 6.4GT/s means the bus speed is 3200MHz, at least as far as i know...
so intel isnt saving any money? come on... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
cut the costs by 10% and reduce the price by 5, its always like that...
oh actually i WOULD be surprised cause contrary to what intel claims, its not a big deal to enable bclock overclocking on fully integrated clock chips, and other than intel, amd is happy about any bit of attention they can get through enthusiasts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
if there isnt even a benchmark using avx, why should anybody care to begin with? :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuji
as soon as there are real case scenarios where avx helps, im sure people will benchmark it and pay attention to it, but so far... intel isnt really good at pushing new instruction support...
hey what ever happened to moviemans 5.3Ghz sb chip? :D
Don't know about Fermi + Phenom. But this thread's much less painful than the Cayman disaster. I honestly thing SB will do more for my gameplay than a red card. :D
I'm on water. I need an ambient temperature = 1c for a lower Vcore, more than 10c makes this thing too hot, temp goes as high as 85c.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
Right sin0822,2600K or nothing. :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by sin0822
If you already have a 4GHz Quad Core then it will not really do much if at all... Unless you are CPU limited due to using 3-4x GTX580, of course...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jodiuh
About the same no?Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] hipno650
Definitely not the same. I felt a difference going from a Q9550 to an i5 760 in L4D2 and especially BC2. Both games had higher minimum framerates giving me a much smoother experience.
20% per clock improvement from Lynnfield to Sandybridge using 1 card @ 1680. While that may be a best case scenario, that's a very popular game.
3.2ghz to 4.2ghz i7 950 30fps difference average 5760x1080.
Looking for a 4.8ghz SB to replace this ;)
Any news on the max memory frequencies retail SB will support and the dividers that motherboard manufacturers will enable?
well maybe for web browsing, we must use our computers for different things...:p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Aberration
Ah... if they could release a 95W - ??W i7-2605K without the integrated GPU, that would be great.
If I remember correctly Sandybridge runs the "uncore" at the same frequency as the core which might explain why we are all hitting sub 5GHz... just a thought? I've tried everything to crack 5GHz :shrug:
2133MHz is the max at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by roadie
I would expect X50-X65 Max Multi for 2600K ???
Did people really epxect that they can do 5ghz with any of the shelf cpu?
People forget that now with SB the whole L3 has the same clock as the core, with Nehalem it was hard to go over 4ghz uncore speed and now we even have 4,5-4,7 for pretty much every cpu that was tested till now. My guess is, that if we want see higher speeds guys need to bump L3 voltage (if there is such an option).
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Originally Posted by [XC] hipno650
Come on now, context.Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] hipno650
I mean your Q6600 @ 3.8 to my i7 920 at 3.6.
Very nice..and that still on air..will you later try my chess test Chris..pleassssssssse :)
JP.
So the Intel mobo is better than the Asus ?
Very nice. What voltages are you feeding the chip? My board BIOS has all sorts of new names for the sold old stuff I think :D One I think is called "Chip I/O" which I think is vtt? :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Chri$ch
haha these seems nice for SuperPi for such crappy DDR3 speeds the result is very nice. :) 2600K @ 5.5GHz or so at higher DDR3 speed could provide quite good results already, maybe 6.8x~6.85'ish. Too bad these won't provide much fun for LN2 benchers, aircooling users might still have some fun benching sessions though.
Crazy results :shocked:
Would you really need 2100 RAM speeds for this type of clock or 1600 will do?
Awesome, guess the multiplier limit is just a BIOS bug. :)
@Chri$ch
Can you post the EXACT model of the Intel mobo, please ? Going from Asus p867-EVO to Intel mobo just gave you 400 mhz extra with the same CPU, this is disturbing to me... The Asus p8P67-EVO has 16+2 phases (18) , how many phases does the Intel mobo have (just count the black squares around the CPU socket, they usually have some sort of heat-sink on them) ?
are these gonna be great crunchers or what?!?
wooops lol, i dunno we can trade if you want:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Aberration
my i7 experiences have been great so far, I have seen a stock 2.8ghz i5 760 match my 3.8ghz Q6600 while playing supreme commander in game simulation speed. thats huge... SB will be a dream, I might finally be able to play a game on a 20x20 map loaded with 7 AI without lag... drool even more if new BIOS means 5GHZ is reality...
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by shoota
The efficiency of SB just blows my mind every time I see super pi runs.
Chri$ch that is awesome clock :) how hot is the cpu at that speed ?
The Asus uses UEFI. Intel probably is using the regular BIOS ? This makes you wonder if the BIOS is better for CPU support ?
Interisting things I see here. Pls check another cpu on this board and give it more cold )
What is your vDimm set at by chance?
Wow. That's a great clock for an random chosen retail cpu.
Yeah. That reinforces what Anand said, 2500K = 52x. So the 2600K is likely to be = 57x.Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
quite impressive i must say:D
Impressive
When is this all due for release?
5 of Jan
Nice. I hope I will be sober by that time. :p:
wow sub 7 scores on air, thats intense.. Seems to easy if you ask me :P, Try running your ram @ 2000+ and post some everest cache & memory benchmark pleaseeeeeeeeeeee
Nice clocks, but isn't that a really high vcore??
Surely the one to get will be the 2600K for -bigadv right? I'm looking into the 2500K, you think PPD ~ 15,000 ?Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
Besides the clocks in overclocking, I am not really impressed. There was way more change with Nehalem in regards to performance. I can see bulldozer being faster than this as the bar isn't that crazy high if this is it. The best improvement appears to be the power consumption but I don't car for that at all. I guess this is a improvement for those that want to stay with intel Integrated graphics, but that's it. I think desktop SB isn't really that good, I can see this being good in a laptop though.
well for some of us power consumption is a big deal. to get this kind of performance increase is good but at the same time getting this level of power savings is great
Way too early to tell IMO. It's a month before official launch and a lot can be done in that time and within the months after launch in terms of BIOS makers finding new ways to push these chips :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by TurboDiv
Thank you Chri$ch for sharing
Do you think SB worth it over i7 only if OC +4.5ghz , since i7 can reached 4ghz ?
what about the temp. of SB at 4.5ghz or 5ghz (air cooling) ?
i7 no, i5 no, 775 yes.. Honestly we have so much coming out heres a list..Quote:
Originally Posted by koc
2010 => 2011...
LGA1156 => LGA1155
LGA1366 => LGA1356
LGA1567 => LGA2011
(1) LGA1155
=> Single CPU socket mobos.
=> Dual-channel RAM.
=> Budget to Mainstream market.
(2) LGA1356
=> High-end single CPU socket to entry level dual CPU socket mobos.
=> Triple-channel RAM.
=> Enthusiast and Server/Workstation markets.
(3) LGA2011
=> High-end dual CPU socket to entry level quad CPU Socket or greater.
=> Quad-channel RAM.
=> High-end Server market
I'm sorry but I'm super excited about these chips; especially 2500K & 2600K. Coming from a daily 4.2Ghz E8400 I'm hoping to see some improvement in gaming & general performance across the board even running 3.8Ghz on a 2500K...doub't it would need much of a voltage bump if any to hit that speed...Don't yell at me but I'm looking at buying a H50 for the upcoming 2500K. Good move or bad? I've heard good things & I've heard bad things! Of course I'm on a low end budget so I can't afford a full blown water cooling solution ATM.
thank you for johnny , i was thinking tha same , just i want make sureQuote:
i7 no, i5 no, 775 yes.. Honestly we have so much coming out heres a list..
since i use my system for gaming only , i think i can servive with it more few months until LGA1356 or LGA2011
sorry, but 3. CPU dont coming with SB ....
I got the retail i7-2600K already(D2 stepping), but cannot get it past 4.9Ghz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Metroid
4.8Ghz @ 1.35V running IBT about 2-hour (on Corsair H70), motherboard is MSI P67A-GD65.
4.9Ghz need 1.5V, a little unstable, but still can do Vantage CPU test/Wprime 1024Ms easy
5Ghz CANNOT Boot at all...no matter what voltage I applied. Already testing on air , testing a lot of various configuration, for about one week and don't seem to get better result. Still cannot boot @ 5Ghz.
And the most confusing experience, it DOESN'T Scale at ALL with LN2(-130C)...wasted 35L already, no result. Triend the same processor on 4 different motherboard(ASUS,GBT,MSI,Intel), no gain.Not even a 100Mhz increase.Nothing.nada.zip
BLCK Scaled a bit from 104Mhz(air) to 110Mhz(LN2), but clockspeed seems the same (4.9Ghz).
So far, SB = Good for air, nightmare for Xtreme overclocker
I like to see it like this, if your gonna use a h50 or h70 invest in a custom watercooling loop as thats where it is! Honest'y id go a good aftermarket cooler something like the silver arrow which is top dog using push/pull, Will keep your temps under easily! not like your gonna need it with sandybridge heheQuote:
Originally Posted by OCX600RR
Good thinking ;) , LGA1356 looks very promising , im super pumped!! Cant wait to see what they have to offer in terms of overclocking, hope it isnt multiplier locked like current sb's..Quote:
Originally Posted by koc
@luckynoob could of told you that mate, 1155's arent very l2n friendly hehe in terms of xtreme clocking
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Originally Posted by Lucky_n00b
Bad news!!!!
i don't understand how the people can be disappointed if the cpu can do 4.9ghz on air !!
for extreme overclocking with LN2 you guys have to wait for the 1356 and 2011.
There is NOTHING in the roadmaps that indicates a different socket rather than 1155 and 2011 next year, so dont get too happy about it because for what has been said 1356 was scrapped.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny87au
Intel uses UEFI on their mobo's since last (current) generation. Doubt they've gone back.Quote:
Originally Posted by TurboDiv
Thanks for the update Chri$ch! :up:
@Lucky_n00b: Update your UEFI. :)
No idea about PPD, ask Dave... But HT is surely worth it for crunching.Quote:
Originally Posted by OCX600RR
15k PPD stock clocks maybe, but probably more. Even a 920 that barely finishes the WUs in time pulls that much at weak overclocks :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by OCX600RR
Sad to hear about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucky_n00b
15k wcg points? i7 9x0s can do way more than that without an overclockQuote:
Originally Posted by tool_462
Unless WCG has a -bigadv flag, he was talking about F@H.Quote:
Originally Posted by shoota
Nope, higher!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Metroid
Just a general comment as I'm still learning this.Quote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
Huge computational power for what is essentially a mid line chip.
Much better clock for clock vs Nehalem,Westmere,etc..
I think once the BIOS matures that this will be one hell of a cruncher especially when you factor in price and did I mention that the electrical draw is incredibly efficient..
Yea, I think they have a winner here and a big one.
No ideas yet, well I do but not posting numbers..:DQuote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
So far it almost looks like these are so fast that they make 1366 look irrelevant except for benchers (and crunchers who use the hexacores). Wanna share any thoughts?? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
Some..Quote:
Originally Posted by chuchnit
2600k on Win7 64 Enterprise at defaults with 2x4 gig GSKill DDR3-1600 and a old 36 gig Raptor is the fastest "appearing" system I've ever worked with.
That's just a general observation and only based on 9 hours of frustration due to the bios being so flakey that I wanted to toss a brick at the system.
Yea, it's got so much computational power even at stock and hamstrung by the bios that it makes you sit up and go :eek:
Lucky_n00b can you post the voltage step increases from the default freq to the max freq that you reached,please:up:?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucky_n00b
....like default V until 4ghz....then 1.3v:confused: at 4.2ghz...:shrug:
Ok that's enough teasing Dave. Intel should go ahead and launch this already. Half the world screwed the launch up anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
This is what I got so far , on MSI board with Thermalright Venomous X:Quote:
Originally Posted by AAbenson
1.2V (When I load optimized + no Vdroop this is what i get) = 4.3Ghz IBT Stable
1.25V = 4.5Ghz IBT Stable
1.3V = 4.7Ghz IBT STable
1.35V = 4.8Ghz IBT Stable
1.5V = 4.9ghz , no IBT but VantageCPU/Wprime1024/Cinebench R11.5 Stable
5Ghz = No BOOT at all.
You are such a teaser, Dave, you know its not fair :rofl::rofl: C'mon, create yourself another account and show'us some!Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
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Originally Posted by chuchnit
It's a tough situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by prava
Sure, I'd love to plaster the forum with benchmarks but then there is the other side.
Do I want to stand up and piss on Intel?
No.. I have no signed NDA's with anyone but you have to stop and thinkon what your doing.
My way to handle this is to speak in generalities with no numbers.
I can say this:
It's a beast,needs bios to be more mature( Intel Burrage board) and is electrically VERY efficient.
You will NOT be disappointed if you buy one of the 2500k's or 2600k's.
The 2600k has HT, the 2500k doesn't and is supposed to be $100.00 cheaper.
If your a gamer get the 2500k, a cruncher or bencher get the 2600k.
Now I have a question for you guys:
Who the hell do I call at Gigabyte to get my hands on a P67 UD5 or 7 as those seem to be the best out!
Yes, my credit card is in hand, not looking for any gifts!:D
ugh i'm always behind in technology! just when i thought i caught up with a 1366 setup SB comes in and slaps me in the face
@MM
dont forget the flipside to that coin
making your dogs fight over scraps leaves them hungry and angry and they begin to notice all the juicy fat youve accumulated, dont want them turning on ya.
:rofl: Your funny..Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
Not my intent.
I got this just to see how it would be for a cruncher in terms of computational power and electrical use.
That was my only interest as lets face it, it's short a socket IMHO..:p:
lol no kidding! dual SB's ftw!Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
I know mate :up: And I understand that as hard for me may be...its certainly harder for you to stay quiet :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
About the mobos...they are listed in plenty shops around the world so you shouldn't have problems in the US, methinks.
Any news about?
about what?
[OFFTOPIC]Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny87au
Man I just love that Lionel Messi image :)
lol hes a god isnt he :D
I would go with the XSPC Rasa 750 RS240 Universal CPU Water Cooling Kit for about $130. Looks to be better quality and will get you lower temps.Quote:
Originally Posted by OCX600RR
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Originally Posted by OCX600RR
I'm sorry but I'm super excited about these chips; especially 2500K & 2600K. Coming from a daily 4.2Ghz E8400 I'm hoping to see some improvement in gaming & general performance across the board even running 3.8Ghz on a 2500K...doub't it would need much of a voltage bump if any to hit that speed...Don't yell at me but I'm looking at buying a H50 for the upcoming 2500K. Good move or bad? I've heard good things & I've heard bad things! Of course I'm on a low end budget so I can't afford a full blown water cooling solution ATM.
I would go with the XSPC Rasa 750 RS240 Universal CPU Water Cooling Kit for about $130. Looks to be better quality and will get you lower temps.
I just got the H50 and it's... ok. Ok temps, ok noise, ok price. it's very ok. If you can do the H70 or better then do it. also Megahalems or other high end air cooler would be a good choice
Thanks edruns69 & shoota, I will look into these. Wasn't really planning on spending more than what the H50 costs, so I might just end up with the Noctua or Megahalems. I will look into that XSPC Rasa kit though, for $130 if it beats the H70 by a good margin I will probably end up getting it. Dual 120mm rad already looks like it would perform better lol!
i put a gentle typhoon on my H50 and temps dropped 4C and noise was much less (comparing max speed), your adding 20$ ontop of the already high cost of the H50, but it was worth it to me for its size and performance (see the sig for why i needed something compact)Quote:
Originally Posted by shoota
i'm also not a fan of the noise quality of the pump. its not loud but its distinct enough to stand out quite a bit, to my ears at least.
that sounds like an issue for an RMA, mine is dead silent other than the initial turn on where the bubbles might move a little at first.Quote:
Originally Posted by shoota
whats the difference in OC ceiling between 2500K and 2600K? has this been established yet by someone reputable?
soon..:hrhr:Quote:
Originally Posted by natty
Such a tease...Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
About overclocking potencial this cpu. I meant extreme overclocking :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by shoota
BCLK more than 110MHz or maybe someone reach 6GHz with Sandy :)
i was under the impression the bclk was locked
no you can change it to a certain degree but we are talking in .1mhz increments because any changes will result in crashing considering the BCLK controls so much, however yo can expect the extreme guys to be overvoltageing and tweaking till the cows come home to get that extra .1mhzQuote:
Originally Posted by shoota
ok but it's not near as flexible as 1366. still tho you're right the xtreme guys will find a way to go crazy on these, even if it is in a totally new way, can't wait to see it actually
Default BCLK is 100Quote:
Originally Posted by shoota
I've seen people move it as high as 103..Yea, thats allsothe key is in buying a good board and the 2600K
$320 for the chip and say $230 for a decent board, then 2x2 gig DDR3-1600
ok there's the pricing i've been asking for, thanks dave! i might have to consider selling my stuff for a SB setup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
hmm let me make an effort at getting some info out of ya.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
So the max "supported" memory freq is 2133mhz right? How good is the new IMC? Is is going to take tons of VTT or whatever it is called now to reach those speeds making it pointless for 24/7? Kind of like lynfield or will 2000-2133 be doable for 24/7 use?
Good,now when your ordering go here and get me one will ya?:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by shoota
http://www.provantage.com/gigabyte-t...5~7GIGB095.htm
Without getting into details and my trials and tribulations with this system with the 2x4 gig GSKill DDR3-1600's I have in it all I see for auto setrtings is 1333 and 1600Quote:
Originally Posted by chuchnit
Now it can be set manually but I haven't done so.
Has so many other issues that I didn't even get into memory except to see that it does take the XMP profile settings
I seen blck 109 at retail chip for some benchmarks....so, its not so bad :)
am i reading this to say there will be no 1066 ram support? even thru dividers?Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman