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I don't understand why everyone has their panties in a bunch. Everyone can make their own educated decision, I don't know how their is such a strong divide between fanboys. Isn't everyone just looking for the same thing:confused: performance? This forum is really taking a turn for the worse with red on green hate and vise versa. Never in the past 6 years of being a member here have I seen this to such an extent:(
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/9015/gtx480.jpg
I didn't want to leave it to any chances the first one pop'ed in new egg i got i hope charlie is wrong though
never said that at all..Quote:
Originally Posted by ElSel10
all i mean is if you read his stuff..don't just disregard it because he has been wrong before(because he's also been right before as well)..
the issue here is that nvidia fans(and i just bought an nvidia card and ati literally on Monday) but anyway ..nvidia fans hear his news and usually hate it..whether true or not..of course hes going to make it look as bad as he can
as far as the journalist not being biased or whatever..thats horse caca and every one knows it..everyone has their own opinion and RARELY in any journalism do u find ppl who aren't biased/being paid to make things sound a certain way whether its computers or war or anything etc...
just my .02
Some might find this interesting.
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Originally Posted by chavvdar
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread...=57004&page=26Quote:
Originally Posted by neliz
I think you hit the nail on the head. I'm not a reader of Charlie's myself, he's kind of a jackarse. But people need to get a little bit less defensive. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by InCredible
And I made the point that Charlie is notorious for making so many predictions, he is bound to get one of them correct... and for some reason people act as if he is the messiah of the tech world. Just after the 5xxx cards release, I posted up proof showing that he predicted 900sp's, 1400sp's, 1600sp's, 2000sp's, and more. Each in separate news articles on his site. The same goes for most of his Geforce 4xx predictions.Quote:
Originally Posted by InCredible
Now that being the case, I take everything the guy writes with a large dose of salt.
Now this is interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by flippin_waffles
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Originally Posted by Sushi Warrior
yes they did.... fermi this... fermi that etc.....
I think we all talked to the same AIB rep who quoted those ridiculously low numbers. Basically, the guy is always pissed at something. I won't say who it is but he is someone from one of the smaller AIBs that ALWAYS get shafted at launch.
I suggest you not pay attention to neliz or Charlie in this case since it seems they are quoting from the same "source" who spewed the same crap to everyone. I heard it....heck, 20 other journalists must have heard it as well. It's just certain ones that will post unsubstantiated rumors while most others won't.
Basically, I suggest you wait before making any assumptions about "launch targets" and whatnot. Maybe NVIDIA was spot on. Maybe they weren't.
One way or another things will boil down to two scenarios for certain people who do nothing but try to find controversy:
April 20th comes and there are still cards on the shelves after pre-orders are filled = Fermi isn't selling!!!
April 20th comes and there are no cards to be found = Fermi missed launch targets!!!
Folks, the retail channel isn't nearly so black and white but the little lemmings will always believe what they are told.
The store I work for has ~40 480s and 40 470s due in from EVGA and MSI, so unless our purchaser is a miracle worker I really doubt the validity of this article...
We barely had any 5970s at launch, so this is pretty intense, especially since we're just brick and mortar, no online component...
Are you testing any retail cards. Shamino seemed to suggest retails overclock better.Quote:
Originally Posted by SKYMTL
I've checked stock for one of UK's large online store and they will have 17 GTX480 available on Monday.
On the one hand, self-deprecation regards accuracy... on the other, the suggestion of accuracy regards semi-conductors. The latter being at least two orders of magnitude too clever for the typical 'my emotional well-being is inextricably tied to the the fortunes of a purveyor of GPUs'-type that fuel these threads.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnZS
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I don't think that's possible at this point other than the possibility that higher clocks are achieved due to a revised BIOS on the retail cards that modifies fan speeds.Quote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
Please don't be such a lier. I remember in one of the first fermi thread you were mouthing that charlie was wrong in this Sp count and in that sp count. I asked you to provide proof and you never replied...Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew LB
And now you come as if you are the proof provider. At least try a little bit harder mmmmkkkayy?
*waiting for the proofs of the wrong sp*
Which e-tailer did you ask and is that the combination of all cards from different AIBs they're getting on monday?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lightman
That doesn't sound like a whole lot to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lightman
I full heartily agree. This whole forum has been a gong show of :banana::banana::banana::banana: throwing over this. Who cares ? you want card that plays your games and what not ? hey me too ! thats it. thats all that matters.Quote:
Originally Posted by =[PULSAR]=
Over the years I've had, and still have Red and Green cards,[my GTX275's are red in color:p:] I like them both, glad both company's compete against one another.
More and more each company has differing strengths and weaknesses, and this is bad for us how?
And I totally don't get the Fanboi mentality, pretty freaking juvenile really. I like what I like, that does not mean everything else sucks. Especially to others, with different needs/opinions.:shrug:
My GOD! There are now two ofusthat think this way..or is it that many do but the ones that don't are just a little more vocal in their attempts to shout down anyone that disagrees with them?:DQuote:
Originally Posted by the finisher
My attitude is : Buy what you want, it's your money.
Both companies make excellent products.:up:
DABSQuote:
Originally Posted by eternal_fantasy
Yes, all AIB's but only GTX480. GTX470 is in much better supply. Looks like 3x-4x more of them for Monday.
Looking at the DABS ONLY launch availability will be similar to HD5870.
But to get clear picture we will really need to wait 2-4 weeks.
All in all if someone wants GF100 really badly it will be possible to get one in U.K. next week. For price war it's a little too early.
im on this train as well..Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
i get what fits my needs..i build computers for friends and when i do im never loyal to a brand..i buy what will fit them best
and will continue being this way since both companies do make good products..and BOTH have or will have driver issues here n there
just bought a nvidia card and had it literally a single day and updated the driver and has a problem with SC2 flashing..
im not mad at nvidia nor do i think they make inferior products..cause ive had ati driver issues before as well
things like this happen for either company :)
Looking at the Dabs site and search for GTX 480, it looks like they only have 2 out of 4 products that have an ETA, and only the Zotec one with due in 1-2 days suggest that Dabs will only be expecting the Zotec on Monday next week, and more from ASUS later in the week.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lightman
Assuming the above is correct, 17 GTX480 from just 1 AIB, and I wouldn't call Zotec one of the larger nVidia partners, I think we are more then likely going to see a lot more of the 4xx in the UK from venders like OcUK where no less then 7 different AIB versions of the card showing an ETA of 12th.
100 GTX480 and GTX470 combind allocated for the whole of europe... I don't think so.
So what are they going to offer int he mainstream price range?
I read something about a 460 but priced at $300 :eek:. That's the only other derivative that I've read mentioned so far. I'm not sure that's true though. To bad we aren't seeing any price competition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glow9
Geforce 460 is for the midrange, priced at the same cost as a 5850. Dont know the specs yet.
F$(#* YOU NVIDIA
Because of you we haven't had price drops in over 6 months
lol.:ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by natty
well that was straight to the point.....
I know how he feels, 6 months is really a long time for video cards to stay above MSRP. Consolation for me being my upgrade plan is mobo/proc/ram 1st and video card a little later.
my sources at scan tell me they will have 35 pieces of the 470 asus model alone and 10 of the 480 asus parts on monday, with more from Giga and gainward later in the week. the same kind of number for each brand.Quote:
Originally Posted by eternal_fantasy
only model not showing up is the MSI flavour of the 480 qand 470, for reasons unknown
i cant waittill tommorow yippee
Well you see it from ATI with 5770 dx11 and 5830, but I don't even see anything in large supply from Nvidia besides 250s? I dont understand its like low end and high end but no mid. I mean even 285s with dx11 would be goo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle
Topic = Noooooooooooooo???!!!?!?! :D
New toy(s) = more fun:D
In 3 months there will be another thread like this with different "maid of honor" from the same old TSMC
Zotac on Monday - 9 cardsQuote:
Originally Posted by eternal_fantasy
But this is changing very quickly, so very well they might have more cards by next day.
Asus due in 3-4 days - 8 cards (from Friday = Tuesday/Wednesday)
No ETA for remaining two.
As you said one thing worth remembering is that usually more cards at launch can be found at Enthusiasts shops like Overclockers.
Local store "High grade/expensive" has total Zotac 480 "8" and GTX 470 "10", they have no other brand.
100 cards was per AIB for Europe.Quote:
Originally Posted by eternal_fantasy
Per AIB or not, if what was posted on the stock coming to a few of the larger venders are true, there will be more then 200+ ASUS GTX 470/480 allocated for the first week to the UK alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mechanical Man
Next thing someone's gonna tell me is that the 100 is only for GTX-480... :rolleyes:
Muropaketti has confirmed from one AIB that its initial share si ~100 cards globally. Ofc big AIBs get lot more.
100 cards per AIB for Europe makes what, 500 cards total? Even you're talking only about EU member states there are 27 states and it makes less than 20 GTX 470 + GTX 480 cards COMBINED. How many of you guys think this is likely?
Its not likely because larger AIBs get more than 100, but the report claims that just two AIBs are getting 100 each, which might just be two small AIBs.
It didnt say every AIB, nor were those numbers in anyway representative of the total number of different branded GTX 480s that will be available on launch.
The thing to remember is that smaller AIBs ALWAYS get the shaft close to launch. Taking their numbers and assuming all partners will be in the same situation is nuts IMO.
From reports it seems like EVGA in particular shipped out a good number of parts LAST WEEK with more coming available on Monday.
the claim (by Charlie) which everyone is parroting is that there are 100 cards per AIB, and that makes a total of 1600 cards worldwide, 500 of them for the whole Europe.Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
No it isnt:Quote:
Originally Posted by annihilat0r
I dont think that these figures are inaccurate, they seem believable to me.Quote:
Short story, the cards, both combined, worldwide, for all launch partners is less than 8,000 units in the first week..... Two major AIBs have allocated less than 100 cards each for Europe
Who said anything about 1600 total?
Edit: Nevermind, it looks like bhavv cleared it up.
Oops, looks like I read it wrong, it was 1600 per AIB. Sorry :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
I like the idea of a 40nm 285 gtx but they could have just gave it a slight bump in shaders 256 and higher core clocks, 1000mhz+ on air wouldn't have been a problem since the 285 where hitting about 800mhz on air.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glow9
well its the 12 of April its out of stuck every where i look...
My eVGA GTX470 from newegg is "out for delivery" via UPS today... waiting for that knock from the UPS guy :D!
my GTX 480 should be in NY today and in kuwait next week i ordered from 4 days ago :(Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
but my comment was maybe charlie is right there is not alot of those cards out there
Asus GTX 480 in stock, got the auto notify from newegg,
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121373
1 min later out of stock again lol
says ETA:04/14/2010
Not a single GTX 470 or 480 came in stock in the UK today.
It's pretty silly, indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by =[PULSAR]=
There are more of us, we just don't shout (well, usually) :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
Good for you :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
We (Sweden) supposedly have 40+ of the 480 and ~25 of the 470 available online, pretty much all of them at a single online retailer (Inet). Komplett.se (which is pretty big, as far as I know), has a notice on their site which claims stock will be in at May 1st from some brands and June 1st from others :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
Yay team charlie. Another point for them?
Evga and Gigabyte 480s @ Newegg sold out in a few minutes:D
Got the first card...ready to be torture:)
http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/6...enshot013j.jpg
WOW. Why is everyone all excited about the lack of availability. This card has been 2 years(more??) in the making. It has taken so long I figured it'll be out when it comes out. So now you got all the geeks around the WORLD wanting the newest card. Why? Because they've had the "newest" nVidia card for a year or more. They've been waiting for an upgrade, and it's here. There's no surprise in my mind that supply would be extremely limited until all the geeks with big bucks buy theirs.
I also read a comment about the GPU exceeding 100C while doing benchmarks and stuff. About 7-10 years ago nVidia did some research around silicon at high temps. If you can run the processors at high temps(allegedly up to 150C), you can dump more heat per cubic foot of air based on heat transfer equations. If I remember correctly nVidia successfully made some processors and provided some engineering samples to a few companies. The problem: the heat would rise off the GPU and would cause the insulation on the wiring for the molex connectors to melt off causing shorts to ground and shorts between rails. Rumor has it that's a bad thing to do to your PSU ;). Anyway, I believe they never marketed the product and chose instead to incorporate the technology into GPUs at a later date. Perhaps the time has come that they have incorporated that technology?
I'm not sure how I feel about having a component in my computer running so hot that water could boil off of it. I do know that the water cooled xtremegeeks in the forum will have a little problem if steam begins forming in their tubes. :rofl:
My eVGA GTX 470 just came in a few hours ago...
http://www.trizzeo.com/tiger470.jpg
(UPS snippet stolen from another guy on eVGA forums because I thought it was humorous :D)
My eVGA GTX 470 arrived from newegg today... a day early :). I installed the 197.41 drivers from nvidia's site and the eVGA precision tool from the driver disc, and away I went... first I tried plopping the core @ 740, and RAM @ 1950 (3900) but the artifact scanner in the furmark-like "eVGA OC tester" tool showed errors as well as there being an occasional line I could see appear for a split-second. So, I dropped the clocks down a lot at a time and found this setting to be stable very quickly. I have gamed with it for about 2 hours now.
http://www.trizzeo.com/gtx470gt.jpg
(Initial overclock, core has more room, memory has a little left in it)
What is very interesting is the fan noise and temps: fan noise @ 70% is not loud at all, just air whooshing at a dull tone, no "whine" or whirring. It is perfectly comfortable to me, whereas a 5870 at above 38% began to emit a whirr, and eventually a hairdryer-like noise @ 70%+ speed. Now, the big surprise here for me was, that the temperatures are nowhere near as high in my system as they are in the reviews... take a look at the data I took from GPU-Z 0.42 and eVGA Precision in my notes:
NFS Shift peak temp: 76c
BFBC2 peak temp: 80c
SF4 peak temp: 72c
This is with the overclock in the picture and fan speed shown. Again, the fan is very unobtrusive noise-wise inside my case (Coolermaster RC690). Idle temperature is 35c after letting it sit for around 25 minutes websurfing.
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Anyway, onto the actual performance...
TEST SETUP:
Intel i7 920 HT on, 3.72ghz
6GB DDR3 @ 8-8-8-2T timings, 1560mhz
nVidia GTX470 1280MB/ATI Radeon 5870 1GB
256GB Crucial M225-series SSD (Indilinx barefoot controller with samsung nand)
Dell 3007WFP-HC 2560x1600 LCD monitor
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5870 Clocks (for NFS shift #'s) was 925c/4900m (9.11 drivers back then), for BFBC2/SF4 they were stock (850/1200) with 10.2 drivers
GTX 470 Clocks: 704c/1408s/3504m, 197.41 drivers
NEED FOR SPEED SHIFT:
2560x1600, 8x AA, 16x AF, transparency multisampling, max options, several laps of Ambush Canyon, DX10
GTX470 OC'd: 53min, 64avg
5870 OC'd @ launch: 32-35min, 50avg
Street Fighter 4:
2560x1600, 8x AA, 16x AF, transparency multisampling, max options w/ ink filter, in-game bench
GTX470 OC'd: 148.2fps avg
5870 stock: 124.4fps avg
Battlefield Bad Company 2:
2560x1600, 4x AA, 16x AF, transparency multisampling, max options w/ HBAO enabled, DX11, Port Valdez "Rush" mode (full game)
GTX470 OC'd: 37min, 52avg
5870 Stock: 25min, 41avg
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I'm surprised to say the least, primarily with the minimum FPS #'s. These are the main games I played that I had documented my framerates on well while I owned my 5870... so they are the ones I'm using to compare. The averages aren't terribly impressive for a mediumly-OC'd card vs. the 5870, in my opinion, in BFBC2/SF4, but the minimums very much took me off-guard. NFS Shift and BFBC2 saw large min. FPS gains in my system, while SF4 runs internally at 60fps and performs 100% ideally on either card.
I'm wondering if the retail boards have some sort of difference in the cooling, because the whole fan-noise and temperature thing is an entirely different picture in my system than *any* of the reviews I saw. I'll be testing Dirt 2 later tonight, but I don't have any actual data written down except for a few #'s off the starter track... so that's not really a comprehensive test by a longshot but I can see if it's roughly the same, a bit better, or a bit worse.
thanks for the review golden tiger! :up:
i get the feeling the difference between review temps and noise vs. real world testing has to do with the case. mainly the cards like to be in one, i understand that most review benching happens on an open platform which is not good for vga cooling.
The temps and cooler noises are reported to be lower than reviews in other forums as well.
waiting test again crysis warhead e Dirt 2 dx11 .
But does it have wood screws? Don't leave us hanging there man! :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumo
My 470 will hopefully ship out from Fry's on Wednesday, UPS 2 Day Air FTW. :)
Thanks for the info GoldenTiger! It is looking like these cards are shaping up to be better competition against the HD5800s than the reviews said.
Can i just say something; EAT THAT ATI FANBOY !!!!!!!. Yeah i know , i have my ticket for the hell bus.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
Nice results tiger. Have to keep telling myself that it's a 470. Seems like these cards may just take time to shine, just as ATI's 4870 did.
Here is my GTX480 Vantage Extreme score:
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/6978/xvantage.jpg
My 480 is running at 800/1600/4000, i7 @ stock 2.67GHz, memory at DDR3 1066.
How is it? PhysX is disabled.
Any other benchmarks I should post?
Yes please make some benchmark in FPS for which ever game you can do. I ordered my 480GTX and recieve a confirmation i shall get mine within a week or so.
Just want to add that i have read so many reviews/fermi threads/:banana::banana::banana::banana: all over the Internet and remembered that my 8800GTS SLI was said to reach a certain FPS rate which when i installed it was 10FPS over expectation with a lower end CPU compared to all the test in reviews.
I can tell you right now that all the reviews which ever they are from are all in conflict of interest :slapass::slapass: for whatever reason that i won't start mentioning here.
The higer minimum FPS is a big + and the lower temp expectation is another one :D:clap:
nice to see some scores, thx for the review goldentiger!
there are only very few cards though it seems... i wonder how many newegg sold...
everytime i check they are out of stock, and there are only 12 customer reviews for a gtx480 and 5 for a gtx470... :eh:
thats 17 reviews... and out of those 4 people didnt actually buy the card, at least not from newegg (still wonder why newegg even allows product reviews from random people) so 13 propper buyer reviews...
they are all positive... but the low number plus constant "out of stock" everywhere sounds like the rumors about bad availability were true...
no wonder even jensen said it wont REALLY launch until H2 2010...
but actually all of you guys were able to get one, right?
or is there anybody who tried to get one and couldnt?
is it possible to pre-order one and get it as soon as newegg has stock again for a few minutes?
or do you only get notified and have to quickly go online and order it asap? :D
EDIT: for anybody who doesnt care about DX11, cant order a 480 or doesnt want to spend the money:
GTX260 for 150$ :eek: :slobber:
GTX260 SLI 300 us$ > GTX295 499us$ > GTX480 499 us$
http://www.compuvest.com/Search.jsp?...u=331006574-02
Except the ATI card was either using ancient drivers, or was an OC vs. non-OC comparison still not using the latest drivers which brought a big performance boost to one of the games (even with that OC--basically not quite a GTX 480--a stock 5870 wins in BC2 when using 10.3)Quote:
Originally Posted by snoro
I wasn't going to say anything, but your post changed my mind :P
Sayaa the only way to get one right now it to pre-order it and pay in advance using credit card and be approved prior to shipping.
Regards
All review i read was 5870 OC vs stock 480GTX and with recent driver for ATI. And i read alot pretty much everything i could read about it and i can tell you that there is a way to cool the card without going WC on air and there is core disable via bios and it as a higher min FPS and the load temp are not highly different from each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by hurleybird
So everything points out ot be a very good card, thought still pricy.
BTW does the benchmark took the glitch of the 10.3 in consideration ?
Re read the test results. It's a 470, not a 480 beating a 5870. Regardless of drivers those are incredible results for a 470.Quote:
Originally Posted by hurleybird
Since this is xtremesystems, max overclocking results using a usable fan profile and max fan profile.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElSel10
From what we are seeing, this card is atleast as overclockable as the 5870 in percentage terms, so it seems like bull the 5870 has an overclocking advantage.
I think both are pretty much useless for OCing (at least for ordinary use). I know this is xtremesystems and all, but 5870's tend to become far less stable when OCed (increased occurance of random grey screens of death) and while that might be fine for a benching run and it might even pass a stress test, I have my 5870 to default clocks for that reason. Maybe others are more lucky, but I've heard many stories of otherwise fine 5870 OCs being affected. And GTX 480? Seems like it OCes fine, but at what cost? The amount of heat and noise (mostly noise) that thing must put out when OCed *has* to make for a less satisfying gaming experience -- I know I don't want to hear fans ramping all the way up when I'm gaming. Now watercooling... that could be a different story altogether.Quote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
grey screen ati issue is mostly due to clock/voltage profiles I think.
i dont see 480's being percentage overclockable equal to 5870's? But honestly I havent watched too closely just yet, my 4870x2 is keeping me happy lately.
Is there really a need for such flaming post after GoldenTiger mini review. Like his selective review proves anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by snoro
There are at least 100 hundred complete reviews showing that the HD 5870 is faster than GTX 470, I guess we should ignore all the reviews because some NVIDIA enthusiast give us better and more accurate review.
The HD 4870/50 did shine from day one, no paper launch and great price. If it wasn't the case NVIDIA didn't have to reduce the price for the GTX 260/280 big time. Remember the HD 4870 $299 , GTX 280 $650.Quote:
Originally Posted by takamishanoku
Anyway congrats to everybody who got the GTX 470/480 it is nice upgrade for some and no wonder you're so happy after such long wait.
I'm glad that I didn't wait. All the prediction from NVIDIA shills about the GTX 480 going to be 60% or more faster than the HD 5870 didn't come true, same goes about prediction that ATI will have to reduce the price after NVIDIA launch.
So I'm glad I got my HD 5970 in November last year, and it is still the fastest gaming graphic card on the market.
Basically I'm glad I did listen to Charlie some of you like to call an idiot, his semi accurate rumors proved to be more accurate than the info provided by the friendly NVIDIA sites.
bf results are bs at least ati is superior in that game there is no way even with oc 470 can make that much difference though it can be drivers like you said its flawed comparison to say at least but its nice to see 470 reach 480 clock level nice cardQuote:
Originally Posted by hurleybird
I don't think anyone was predicting a 60 percent performance difference or more compared to the 5870. I don't anyone was really shilling for the performance of the gtx 480 as almost no information was known about its performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heinz68
The most I ever heard was gtx 280 or gtx 285 SLI performance which in some instances it does match.
Sorry if you found me a bit irritating but i am just tired of people saying Fermi is a epic fail while from what i have seen even in the review( made with rushed review sample) the gtx 470 and 480 did beat their ati sibling. And now with result we are seeing from normal people who are lucky to already got a retail one and generously take time to do some benchmarks to show us what kind of performance they get. And that performance is better than ati counterparts. Or maybe i just see some Ati fanboy who cant accept that they made a bad choice buying a hd5870 today while the gtx480 is a better choice and flame Nvidia.Now for people who bought their 5870 and 5850 or are still still on older high end gpu like you you made a good choice and I would also have bought a 5870 at launch with its 399$ launch price if i had the money but not now. Not with its 430$ normal price and seeing the gtx480 is a much better card for 70$ more buck.And all this is comming from a guy with a hd5770 in his rig and is very happy about his purchase.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heinz68
As other said please reread goldentiger post, this is not a overclocked gtx480 beating a hd5870 but GTX470 overclocked beating a hd5870 alot in min fps and a bit in avg fps.Quote:
Originally Posted by hurleybird
Purchasing the 5870 isn't a bad choice at all, given their price points and the fact that 4xx series use so much power and have poor idle would make all the difference someone needs to choose ATI over NVIDIA. Also, you may have noticed that there are very few stores, that have the 4xx in stock.Quote:
Originally Posted by snoro
Also, how can you use one overclocked card vs a stock card justifying in anything. From what I've seen, 58xx have a lot more overclocking headroom than the 4xx.
No need to call each other names (fanboy/ girl)... As far as i see, ATI products (5850 and 5870) are available by and large everywhere and for less. ATI products do run cooler. ATI products feature bit-streaming 7.1 24-bit audio via hdmi, which Nvidia's products don't. Yes, Nvidia's products feature more v-ram, hence they are good at low and avg. frame rates. Yes, Nvidia's products feature physx. Then again, it is not just the cost of buying a GTX 470/ 480, but also the cost of running one. The power draw of 470 is still within reason, but many reviews have put the power-draw of a single 480 at more than 300... I'm sure i'll not be the only one here who believes them to be true with their figures! It is the users choice to make, to buy which suits his needs more.Quote:
Originally Posted by snoro
However, oc'ing one card versus another at stock is a questionable move at best. I'm sure if you oc 5870 enough and perhaps try benchmarking at 1920x1080/1200 resolution (just as questionable), you'll be hard-pressed to think of reasons why to buy a GTX 480 after all, which costs about $70-100 more...
Here's Jensen seconding that the supply is less than ideal... Think it's been posted before but what the hell...
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/fer...480,10159.html
The fact that GoldenTiger tested with an OC GTX 470 vs a stock HD5870 with old driver isn't that fair IMO, yet some conclude "OMG, the GTX 470 even beats the HD5870" is even more absurd LOL. According to all the reviews, we all know that the GTX 470 manages to match or outperform the HD5870 in some games but it doesn't mean it totally beats the HD5870 like the GTX 480. I would rather wait for another review from other users with a deeper look at those 2 cards.
I only read the last page just now, but the BFBC2 results were with ATI's 10.2 drivers. I was shocked too at the minimums being so much better, but it just isn't dipping down during firefights :). I'll read through the thread later when I have more time and answer other questions. As far as OC'ing vs. stock, my Asus 5870 wouldn't run stable/artifact-free for extended gaming sessions at anything but stock... so that's the data I have/had from before. The GTX 470 I have is running stable for hour+ gaming sessions at this overclock, so that's what I'm comparing with: what I can actually run them at. It's *not* meant to be a comprehensive, rigorous review, just a quick impressions post... take it as you want. Some sites did achieve similar results though not as good, that I've seen... I'm chalking it up to the new drivers possibly.
There is a reason I enjoyed the xbitlabs review, they included all kinds of data. Your data isn't particularly reliable for the fact that you did not minimize the variables, therefore your review is meaningless. No offense, just an observation :)Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
For example, what were your CCC settings vs your nv panel settings? AI/Texture Quality/AA/AF/Adapative AA etc. Did you run a quick CPU bench before testing to make sure your running a level playing field? Was it a clean build now or before, or never?
I have more questions, but since you don't have that 5870 I'll wait for another member's review :) Also you made comments about the fan, the cooler on the GTX470 isn't the beast on the 480. 470 runs much cooler afaik.
What drivers did he use for ATI? Because on TPU it was found that going from 9.12 to 10.3 only had an average boost of 2%.Quote:
Originally Posted by iTravis
Good ObersvationQuote:
Originally Posted by damha
This is meaningless, you forget that reviewers used 10.3a. From my experience 10.3a yielded a better experience from 10.3.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElSel10
UK availability has been pushed back to the 16th. Still none available.
It looks like there were fewer than 200 available worldwide on the 12th, so Charlie was indeed wrong.
oh... and how long do you have to wait to get it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sn@ke:~
a week? what if the shop cant get more cards in for a month or more? then your screwed? :D
i think the 480s will oc even higher thn 5870s percentage wise as soon as voltage control works... it still doesnt, right? and shaders are still locked to core clocks, which are holding the cards back i think... shaders have always been able to clock higher than corex2 in the past...
again, ive said it before... if you ask me, neither the 480 nor the 5870 are worth their money and the power they consume... :shrug:
a 5850 is more than enough, and so is a 470...
This says enough about Nvidia's fan mentality. The 10.3 catalyst drivers bought significant performance boosts across many games, and out of both the 5800 and GTX 400 range the 5800s are the better overclockers (1500 Mhz on LN2, around 1050 Mhz possible on air, 1100 Mhz+ on water), yet all of these things are ignored while the Nvidia card is overclocked, and all of a sudden the GTX 470 is somehow better than a 5870.Quote:
Originally Posted by iTravis
Then the same people run around calling anyone that doesnt praise or admire the fermi an ATI fanboy. :rolleyes:
As it currently stands, Charlie also overestimated the number of these cards that would be available on the 12th, seriously I cant believe that 8000 of them have actually been available to buy in the last 4 days.
from now on nvidias new shaders are bound to gpu clock so there won't be separate clocking :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
that was what I had been saying all along, even a 5870 is overkill at anything but 2560+ resolution and 5970 definitely needed 3 Eyefinity monitors.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
But I am playing Just Cause 2 and am seeing serious slowdowns on my rig. Also: Metro 2033 (which seems to be a terribly coded game, though).
All in all I think it looks like a GTX 480 might not be an overkill.
Really? I don't recall that ever being mentioned before until now. Good info. So now starting with the 400 series you can no longer do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by eric66
I am not sure whether to be stunned or angry, its a :banana::banana::banana::banana: move on nvidia part, but its even more :banana::banana::banana::banana: move to seem to be happy about it. We should want any hardware to be as fast as possible regardless of who makes it.Quote:
Originally Posted by eric66
Hey Giant Tiger, can you please bench with with the new drivers 198.45. There supposedly some gains up to 30 percent according to NV. The games are hawx, crysis warhead and left4 dead 2. If these cards get 15% with drivers, I might consider getting the gtx 480 in the future since they are kind of hard to find at the moment.
I don't think those drivers support Fermi. Latest that support Fermi is 197.44 which also includes OpenGL 4.0 support. You can get them here:Quote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
http://developer.nvidia.com/object/opengl_driver.html
Well i don't know for te other, but i ordered it the 11 Apr and just got a confirm shiping tracking number around 48 hour later. I live in ottawa, canada and took canada post i should get it within 2 to 6 days.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
mine is lfetime warranty :D
Regards
Edit
This is some bench against 5870 OC
http://www.nordichardware.com/en/com....html?start=12
And the 480gtx beats it at stock with no optimized driver and the result seen above is pretty much in line with this review. Idon't want to hear about the new 10.3 which as a glitch and that is one of their last driver update performance as the gtx 480 didn't got a single one yet.
@ snake..u call that OC? a stock xfx oc of 25mhz? knowing these cards can do 1000+....
it will probably be unlocked in a later driver. that happened before iirc.the clock domains are fully capable of running at any ratio of 2 or more. i dont think anyone here knows much about driver development but i would assume that they are trying to get higher priority tasks done first.Quote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
just plain unstable GPUs. i just rma'd a 5870 that was only stable at 740mhzQuote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
All the working cards are with the press!
I was expecting to get one yesterday but this happened: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fx3NK...=channel]Fermi Unboxing[/url]