Thanks... Those clear the doubts, skepticism and speculations.. :up:Quote:
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Thanks... Those clear the doubts, skepticism and speculations.. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by azraeel101
3 tested out from 30, best one used. Well, one can call that hand picking, nothing compared to Intel, though. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
I know overclockers who test more samples to find the golden one :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Calmatory
3 out of 30... To be honest I just cant name that handpicked:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Calmatory
Anyway, My ETA got extended!:( To 19-12-08:p::up::shocked:
GEIV NOA!
19-12 is a good day, my birthday :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Rammsteiner
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Originally Posted by bldegle2
Err 3 out fo 3 units tested benched to 5.5Ghz on LN2 the "hand picked" unit managed to bench at 5.8Ghz and suicided to 6.2Ghz and that is some how a bad thing? Even if bldegle2 misspoke and all 30 units had been tested. We are still looking at 10% of the CPUs hitting 5.5Ghz+. Current CPU-Z world record for the i7 is only 5.5Ghz. The only caveat that I see is if the third of a tray they had to work with was cherry picked at the packaging plant. If we are looking at a typical tray of parts, we are looking great, compared to both Intel i7 and the AMD Phenom 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
Have to agree with you Rammetiener, sorry about that eta slippage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rammsteiner
And those 30 were all retail boxed or already preselected at the Dresden fab (or wherever they are manufactured)
It's every manufacturers privilege to provide it's best clockers with so called golden samples.. Also what's handpicked to you then ? 1 out of 100, ...? What is cherry picked then ? Even one out of two is handpicked to me, as you just take the best... if you got only one to choose from, like the average Joe, I call it luck... if the crowd will get Phenom II at or around 4ghz, most users will be very happy with the performance/price ratio...
I don't mind what brand will be in my rig next year when I upgrade, but I rather prefer to see some results then a zillion of pages of nothing spread over several threads... but this seems to be so typical to the news section threads... nice catchy titles and numerous discussions on pointless matters...
Let's hope for AMD this baby will be the rv770 for it's CPU's again, like in the good old Athlon and Athlon 64 days... competition is soooo nice...
!!! I WANT RESULTS TO COMPARE PLZ !!!
i think this is the rv670 of the cpu's, a better balanced chip with better thermalsQuote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
let's hope their next cpu is the rv770 and destroys the competition :)
I only talk performance... I want the fastest, not the coolest or a mix of those two... what I meant was that RV770 (48series) shocked the community and Nvidia till now has got no real reply... would be nice if AMD can pull that one off for it's CPU's
That probably won't happen until Bulldozer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
About cherry picking, from the AMD section
That is one of three. If you have 30 processors, pick three of those and try to OC as high as possible. Two goes to 5.5 and one over 6Quote:
Originally Posted by bldegle2
As I understand it, the other 27 processors was not tested?
i understand it that way: they tested all 30 and took the three best....Quote:
Originally Posted by gosh
Also im with that what Leeghoofd said, we dont know if that 30 cpus where retail or what ever else, so maybe they where already preselected.
But to be honest i don't care anymore for that event, i want to see results from users around here. :up:
most likely because more volts didn't hep those chips. happens with a lot of phenom I.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
But he wrote "they tested only three processors from a 30 unit batch"Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
This is awsome news guys as there is a much better selection of high quality 790fx boards out there with the sb600.
posted by Stuen4y in the AMD thread.......http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=456005
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Originally Posted by Stuen4y
^ That is great news! Now i dont need to worry about my Gigabyte GA-MA790FX-DQ6 mobo.
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Originally Posted by T_Flight
Yeah why don't they screen 100000 chips (probably next gen ones fused to look like current ones) and pick the best one. Then have their front man drive to Las Vegas and have an 'expert' overclocker run it on air with secret settings on a modified board and have an air conditioner blowing air through the cooler (hmm wonder why there was music playing in the background during the actual run) :rolleyes: and video tape a single superpi run that hits one core and then claim it does 5GHz are cooled on 8 threads. Yup that sounds a better thing to do.
What do you all expect AMD to do from a part that hasn't officially launched yet? There are enough people who can be trusted that showed up at the event and saw everything with their own eyes. I believe that more than what I just described above.
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Originally Posted by LowRun
Exactly. And nothing is being done about it. Just like the dude that directly insulted me. Hmm, wonder what happened to that guy...
Maybe I should change my avatar and put some blue in there so that maybe when the next guy does it something will happen.
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Originally Posted by moloko
Hey seeing as you were there, how many systems were running OC'ed? Was it just one running as all the cherry picker comments seem to imply?
Also did you actually see the systems running at the claimed speed for more than a suicide shot?
Youpi. Le verge e dur.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
FYI, there is a Edit button in bottom right of your post in case you didnt know that and I dont mean that rude if it sounds that way.
What exchange are you referring to?Quote:
Originally Posted by taurus_sel
If this come close to what it is im going back to AMD!!
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Originally Posted by Overgloc
I don't think you will be the only one :shrug:
Heheheh, you put a smile on my face. You don't see these same people questioning "Dr"Who. In fact the thread where respected members started to ask tough questions got closed down temporarily. Too hot for drWho!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by taurus_sel
For all we know that partial screenshot was of a Sempron :shrug:
And when DrWho was called out he tried to turn it around by saying his point is to show that all manufacturer demos are worthless!!!! He should run for president of France with these political skills. Watch out Sarkozy!!!!!
Francois for President!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bergundy
I am DrWho?, and I approve this message. :rofl:
Does Intel know that you're posting here, and do they approve? I know that they do not for general engineers, but as Marketing you might be an exception.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drwho?
Just curious.
I think you have the wrong idea of Intel ... we have full freedom to post what ever we want , as long as we do not break our NDA with Intel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadowmage
This is not the big brother you imagine ... Get use to it, we have our 1st Amendement right, or the 11th of the French constituion right ...
and for this post ... just over ... I think it is pretty fair to make fun of somebody talking about me in such flatering words, isn't it? Or many be because I work for intel, i should lose my basic human rights?
Thanks :)
Francois for President!
You might get Carla, women are attracted to powerful men. Or show her a Nehalem OC to 6GHz. "Oui, oui ma cherie, mais bien sur que mon overclock est le meilleur!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Drwho?
Well, I think I already got as good as Carla ;) :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bergundy
I really wish we could get ride of the "fake war", we are all the same, Intel or AMD, we are both guys loving computers, and technology.:shrug:
You know how men's brains work, they need rivalry. Could Sarkozy leave Carla for Segolene? Jamais!Quote:
Originally Posted by Drwho?
http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen...EACH-large.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Bergundy
Well, French 1st Lady looks good , no?
I leave you alone guys, have fun!
Bonne nuit!Quote:
Originally Posted by Drwho?
:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Drwho?
What makes a rival push harder, faster ... competition.
This is evident from your recent overclocking fun.
I'm quite a fan of Racing and it doesnt matter if im 10 seconds faster or slower aslong as there is healthy competition for my race.
I think he term fanboys needs to be changed or expanded to somthing like hooligan.
Just like real football supporters have been blighteed by mindless violence from a small minority, we see the same mindlessness in lots of things when there is rivalry & support between two groups.
Back on topic:
Im glad AMD seem to be getting control of the ball again. Lets just hope the stadium stays in one peice. (world economy)
Since the first teaser of the 4.0ghz screen shots that appeared mid year, its been a long wait. Those that still think this is all hype or "fud" really need to look at the history of K8-10.5 and Fab proccess/OC potentials to realise this logical progression and not some fantasy by AMD enthusiasts.
Hopefully a match against Penryn, we need to see some good competition.
Its fair game to drop cores to reach max speed for screen shot, Ive done that since the first dual cores. Might be why they cut off the image.
Francois, just dont get sucked into a fight every time someone takes some cheap shots.
with the olympic spirit in mind right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Drwho?
AMD event:
1 out of 3 (or 30) cpu's is chosen and overclocked (with not the best container available)
Intel "Event":
Lets cherrypick a cpu out of 100.000 so that we can beat AMD in the MHz competition, let's go to vegas, let's disable 3 physical cores....
I really smell the olympic spirit here
Get real, Do you really think that AMD did not cherry pick, Who said they did not? AMD? Did they just pick 30 random cpus from the fab? All questions will be answered only when the cpus launch and we go into the AMD section and see what the ordinary punters are getting. Speculating here is just that, Speculating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiridum
what we do know is that AMD didn't disable 3 cores :)Quote:
Originally Posted by gallag
How do we know that? Let me remind you that AMD has been lying its ass off for the last two years, In fairness the last time they seemed bullish they hit the nail on the head, The hd4850 in my rig is testament to that, so they have a bit more credibility imho but everyone has to admit there has been some whoppers told this last two years and to just flat out believe that the 30 cpus they brought to a marketing event had no kind of selective binning is naive at best. Just for the record I would not believe any Intel marketing comment like this ether.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiridum
I am just speculating and could be wrong so lets come back to this thread when p2 is launched and feast on humble pie or show how magnanimous we can be:)
We know, because the most respected tech journalist were there?Quote:
Originally Posted by gallag
..also because people from here, XtremeSystems Forums were there and have reported back. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Stukov
New event tomorrow.
CPU got handpicked! End of discussion :D
Everyone will soon see what we can do at home with them.
As Fugger said earlier, all CPUs will be hand picked. Even those ones when you get at home. Unless you plan on having a robot taking it out and putting it on the socket...Quote:
Originally Posted by AbelJemka
Lying its ass off? Im sorry, but the only real thing to be pissed about is that they were all hyped up about K10 before the launch while it didnt really do the things they said it would do, although they didnt really say it would do those things.Quote:
Originally Posted by gallag
But for the rest... Where are the lies, they called loads of B2's back and made this public right away, they got a new chipset for Phenom to clock better, had to waste 6 months to fix TLB and delay 45nm/Deneb. No, serious, I can only think of one sort of lie out there, that's it.
About the handpicking of those 30 CPU's, they might have been handpicked as well but somehow it doesnt make a lot of sense to me:rolleyes:
I don't think AMD would want ANYTHING at all to hinder it's delivery and sales of PII. That's why I also speculate that they wouldn't demo super cherried chips because they simply don't have the luxury of letting anyone down. They mentioned that 4GHz will be the average overclock of a 940 (give or take a couple of MHz), I don't see any reason at all for them to be exaggerating this figure, they're simply not in a position to do so. And after hearing of the 6.2GHz LN2 demo at San Fransico the other day, along with the LN2 demo in Austin, Texas I think AMD's really trying to show that they've got something good.
I'm glad that there's lots of talk of AMD lately, regardless of whether it's rubbish or serious discussion. I've just gotten sick of hearing Intel so often on every PC forum. Hope Deneb is good enough to bring AMD back into the PC community... at an affordable price :up:
Sure but it can backfire on them. Most folks aren't as forgiving as some folks here. Gallag is right and isn't it kind of heroic how some folk act as personal PR puppets for AMD?Quote:
Originally Posted by Frontl1ne
AMD lied about AM2. AMD lied about when they'd have 65nm ready, how it would perform and continued to after lied were exposed. AMD lied about Quadfather 4X4, AMD lied about Native Quad Core, Barcelona/Phenom and when they'd ship 45nm. Even fans here said AMD was only a couple of months behind Intel in shipping 45nm LOL!
Though some folks love them and are ready to believe anything they say, please don't get pee-oode at folks who don't believe or even doubts them.
lol, are you listening to yourself :cool::confused::rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
Guess what, take the 10Ghz Pentium 4 for your personal computer and keep tread clean. We are talking about:
Deneb (Phenom II) pictures of 6.2GHz CPUz
They hand pick, so what? :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
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Originally Posted by Hornet331
Just for the two of you, this is from the XS member bldegle2,a man who attended the AMD event,so he is the most credible source we can get at the moment:Quote:
Originally Posted by gallag
[responding to Frontl1ne's question about handpicking and the process of selection of CPus]
So that Hornet331's theory falls apart after this post of bldegle2.It's simply impractical to do what Hornet331 claims and bldegle2 explained it well in his post.Quote:
Originally Posted by bldegle2
Then he talks about the event,summarizing it:
And last but not least,his post from cpu-central(for which he gave a permission to post around :) ). This will mean a LOT to extreme OCers,since it speaks about virtually no coldbug whatsoever for the Deneb gen. of chips(brace yourself: -269C,liquid Helium!!!):Quote:
Originally Posted by bldegle2
More about the event here.Quote:
Subject: Re: Also
Name: b
Date: 12/6/2008 5:16:09 PM (GMT+1)
IP Address: 76.21.49.190
In Reply to: Nicee posted by MS
Message:
no cold bugs....
and they are experiementing with liquid Helium @-269*c, a little harder delivery since it atomizes almost instantly when exposed to air, so it is delivered via a tube inserted into the liquid Helium and just the injection of the tube tickles the Helium to coarse up and out the tube into the container....
i didn't ask, but i assume the Helium runs made everyones voice change and octave or three that got close to the evaporating Helium gases, sounds like a laughable situation.....still no significant cold bug noted....mind you, MB components can do weird things when chilled just by proximity.
last night the MB went down early on, so they put fans on the LN2 container and surrounding MB close to the ziff and she came back to life for the latter LN2 runs....
b
Thanks bldegle2 for the valuable information :up: .
No CPU will work at -269C. The kinetic energy needed to switch the transistors would instantly brake them and destroy it forever. Remember a rose in LN2 etc? Its not really flexible anymore is it? Plus its close to the point where atoms dont even move.Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
So no need to brace ourselves for anything.
:rolleyes: It never ends :rofl: :ROTF:
You are correct in that the CPU may have a problem working at -269C...however just because the coolant being used can achieve such temperatures, does not mean that the CPU itself will be running at it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
The temp. of the liq. helium was -269C,not the CPU itself...Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
The problem are the mobo components too.
And just in case anyone has any doubts about this guys credibility, and i'm sure there are some, here's what Michael Schuette has to say about the chap:
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Baldy's been a good personal friend for over 10 years even though I have only met him once in person, some 6 years ago. He doesn't work for anybody other for himself (master carpenter and obsessed speed skater in his early 60s who still manages to beat most of the <20 years old competitors). The same mentality that keeps his speedskating going also pushes his overclocking, there is simply nothing that is sacred for him
If there is anybody I am not worried about with respect to objectivity, it is him because he doesn't really care about either side, he's a Baldeagle and known by the tattoo on his calf
http://www.lostcircuits.com/oldpics/calf2.jpg
M_S
He is still relying on AMD's accuracy that the 30 CPU's themselves weren't cherry picked.Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
He has no way of knowing that.
great that he made it clear today, but the post in question (yesterday) wasn't so clear after all. Hence all the confusion regarding this here and in the other thread. :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
@Practicability
AMD and Intel have equipment that cant test far more efficent and faster then anyone could do with hand. (just a example)
AMD and Intel have the means to do it, if they do it is another question. ;)
Say what now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
It's not the normal testing procedure.You can't do it any other way but by hand(LN2 testing).Since it takes a lot of time,like it was posted in previous post by bldegle2,it's highly impractical.They might have done what you suggest for the "normal" chips they showed(air,phase,wc-but we know already most will do ~3.6-4Ghz on air).But for LN2,even testing 5 of them would be impractical(they do have regular jobs there after all :),the ones that have nothing to do with LN2 testing all day long ).Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
Ok Chad, but what exactly are you relying on? At least he's got somebodies word, you've got, well, what have you got? You've got a postition that you can argue right up until these chips are released into the wild. It's a convenient position to have, but it has really started to break. Really, I think there are only a few left who believe these are ultra cherrypicked parts. But keep up the good fight! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Chad Boga
I don't need to have anything, least of all blind faith.Quote:
Originally Posted by flippin_waffles
I am just saying that this is not a settled issue because of the reason I stated.
Even if this is a cherry picked part, so what?
The biggest issue in PhII's success or otherwise will be pricing, IPC and Clock Speed at stock release.
Yes testing all on LN2 would be stupid, but you just said what was my point. When the 30 cpus where binned better then the regualar stuff (lets say 4ghz at a given voltage of 1.4V)* the chances are a lot higher to get a 6ghz chip form this batch of 30 then form a batch of 1000 of regualr chips.Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
That was my point from the beginning. I dont doubt that 5 and even 6ghz chips make its way into the channle and to users that can put that potetntial to use.
From my view point amd suggested with that demo, that you can get 4ghz with pretty much every chip out there. Thats why i want results from retail chips form regular users. If it turns out to be true more power to them, else shame on them. :yepp:
*note this numbers are all pure fiction
Ouch :).Nice find ;). The ones IBM tested ran with liq. Helium temps at -268.33 °C.Interesting is the fact IBM and AMD use the same SOI proess(maybe AMD adds a bit of its own know-how for their line of CPUs).Quote:
Originally Posted by D-Cyph3r
Well soon we will all know if their claims are true or not.AMD stated that with good air you can get up to 4Ghz;with wc 4+Ghz.For 5+ghz you would need phase and for the 6+Ghz runs LN2.Of course ,6+Ghz will be harder to reach,but we don't know how much harder.It seems that Denebs are made to withstand the low temps and scale with higher volts and the design was additionally tweaked for this(low temps).If they fail to deliver retail chips that can do what was claimed,they would lose a lot in enthusiast community.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
Well, precisely, and that's why it's such a convenient arguement to make.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad Boga
If that were the case we'd be seeing Phenom's sell equaly as well as C2Q as they are absolutely price competive, regardless of IPC and clock speed. The thing that pushed C2Q over the top, was it's overclocking ability. That arguement never held water 2 years ago, so it sure won't now.Quote:
The biggest issue in PhII's success or otherwise will be pricing, IPC and Clock Speed at stock release.
I think you are overstating Phenom's competiveness, possibly on the basis of gaming benchmarks where being GPU limited made the Phenoms look closer than they really were.Quote:
Originally Posted by flippin_waffles
I suspect most people buy a CPU wanting a bit of performance headroom for future games/applications, not just settling for what is good enough right now.
Whilst I disagree that is a reasonable summation of the various reasons for C2Q's success, I suspect that Dual Core C2's have hurt AMD far more than the Quads.Quote:
The thing that pushed C2Q over the top, was it's overclocking ability.
I don't wanna see this thread pushed to the same place as the others in the past.But for the CPU bound game like GTA4,Phenom looks quite competitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad Boga
http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,6...essors/?page=2
("The Phenom X4 9950 easily passes the Q6600 and theoretically is on the same level as the Q6700 (not included in the benchmark)." )
It was shown before that Phenom trails C2Q(65nm) by ~5% on average.The main selling point of the C2Q and Conroe was their great OCing potential.
Now can we get back to PhII topic now?
That is not reflective of reviews that have been out in the previous 12 months(which would have influenced the buying public) and of course C2Q got a nice boost when Penryn came out.Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
The ~5% calculation was done by Hornet331.You can search for it,don't take my word for it. I didn't say Penryn in my post.But yeah,overall Penryn brought around 5-7% and improved OCing potential.The same things Deneb will bring us,more IPC and great OCing headroom(a breakthrough compared to Phenom I).
Ive yet to see any personal PR 'puppets' for a CPU brand to be honest. At least it's better to act like one then to be one and talk rubbish;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
What did they lie about AM2? Where did they lie about 4x4? Where did they lie about native quad core?Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
And how can you call it lying for shipping 45nm later than expected because they show the balls to actually face the B2 :banana::banana::banana::banana: up and fix that first? I mean, Intel only managed to get a new CPU available in time in like years, so it's not like AMD did a major scam there.
The only thing you could eventually call a lie is how AMD said K10 would perform, but yet that's questionable pretty much. Although they did make it show like it was going to be an epic performer, they didnt say that though.
Donnie, I found something cool today by the way. AFAIK, green blood doesnt excist, but blue blood does excist pretty much in a lot of animals;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
Well, not working is something else than 'z0mfg 10Ghz+ OC's'. Im not like a specialist in science on such grounds, but I think it's possible to have molecules and electrons move since it's at -273C when they wont move anymore. Although they'll be slow as :banana::banana::banana::banana:, no doubt. But even if it only ran at 1Hz, at such a low temp it's still quite amazing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
Although I dont know how exactly low temps work for such components unlike human/animal tissues, prolly such low temps ain't going to make any CPU really happy by defrosting/warming up certain parts, just like in body's, will warm up faster and might destroy eventual... things:p:
On the other hand I just cant be sure anyhow, -200, although a CPU will be a bit warmer than that, is already very low. How would the slowing molecules/electrons react then? In the end you'd think the lower the temperature the slower they move, but at LN2 you actually get the records thus far, so why would HE be such a problem all of a sudden:confused: As said, I dont know, you've a good point there but where's the border and those aprts in a CPU start to become slower instead of having a potential WR speed?
If you are aware that IBM OC is a more of a transistor and not a CPU... totally zero value here... and that was in 2006 or such, so if they continued at that rate why the hell are we still looking for 4GHZ on air ? :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by D-Cyph3r
Oh emo :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rammsteiner
I think you miss the point of kinetic energy. Plus the high voltage that increases it. And then with the highly reduced flexibility at a colder temperature. It wont be slower. It just degrade very very fast as the transitors brake under pressure due to mechanical stress. Its basicly eletromigration and "hot electrons" at an extremely accelerated pace.
And before you say superconductor. They basicly have the completely opposite goal than CPUs in this matter.
im not quite familiar with vantage, but how much does P score scale with better cpu?
It should be like this:
http://images.vnu.net/gb/inquirer/ne..._weighting.jpgQuote:
The reason for the weighting is simple, there is not just one 3DMark Vantage test, there are four. From bottom to top they are Entry, Performance, High and Extreme. Each has a different weight for the scoring, with the low end giving CPU a higher weight and high end emphasizing the GPU more. If you want the exact numbers, they are below
Kinda complicated,more at the l'inq.
Entry and Perf. settings obviously rely on the CPU score more than the High and the Extreme.
edit:
I just realized it was 3Ghz vs 3Ghz,not stock 9950 vs 940BE.Of this is true,then PhII looks a lot faster in Vantage than same clocked Phenom I,which is good news.I doubt overall score scales perfectly with CPU score(like seen from the link) so CPU score of 940BE might be a bit higher than 16% advantage over 9950@3Ghz we see in overall score.
I don't think that's real, for one, 500ghz is ridiculous (simply because not even intel has bothered to try for that when they had a goal of 10ghz stock cpus, it would require way too much power to run, you'd be better off going for efficiency, and for another, just that it is some 490ghz above the world record for the p4 makes it even less plausible when the p4 was designed for ghz), for another, it talks about sony waiting to use the 500ghz cpus for the PS3 which we know for a fact did not happen (the article is from 2006), probably just some jokeQuote:
Originally Posted by D-Cyph3r
500Ghz is easy as such...for a few transistors. But making 1 billion of them go at 500ghz is..a whole other story.Quote:
Originally Posted by AliG
It's not the point(the sheer Ghz).The point is that ICs can work at such a low temps as IBM showed back in 2006,the thing you said was not possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
edit: ...and he goes offline :)
Uhm..no? They didnt show a CPU running at -269 or -270C. No CMOS anywhereQuote:
Originally Posted by informal
Plus the the chip wasnt near absolute zero for sure. However they used the helium instead of LN2 etc as a more functional and controlled cooling (Plus helium is an inert gas unlike nitrogen). Its not just puring it down into a pot like with OC here. 350Ghz at room. 500Ghz cooled. But overdramatizing sells.
Here is also the actual article from NYtimes. And without the fake pic.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/20/te...chip.html?_r=1
And enjoy this
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060622-7117.html
And here is the actual pictures:
http://www.gatech.edu/upload/pr/tyf16878.jpg
http://www.gatech.edu/upload/pr/tzt16879.jpg
Its a 500Ghz radio transmitter basicly.
Ofcourse you could just use field effect transistors....
wow...not bitter at all are you?Quote:
Originally Posted by taurus_sel
Think we are still talking CPU's here and that 500GHZ post is such a joke... why do some hold onto it ? think the person that googled it was also not aware of the real story behind that nice eyecatching title...the guy that chose that title must be a reporter of the Inq now or maybe of the Sun...
Give it all a rest... this thread is really getting nowhere with all this non stop posting about nothing... would be nice if a moderator cleaned up these threads and removed the zillions of useless posts... I have no clue what the point is of some posts : to show that you are more literate then another person, more technical skilled,...to show off how clever you seem to be ?
Thx V_rr for some early results... at least something usefull in this thread...
Still shows me no proof about the discussion if the cpu's were also preselected or not (which so many seem to defend here that AMD did NOT preselect anything), if they had disabled certain stuff in the CPU to get it running faster etc... AMD seems to have something up their sleeve and I'm looking forward to it... BUT if it just is able to equal current socket 775 CPU's (Oc'ed ofcourse) then they remain a step behind and Intel will continue to dominate the OC'ing scene (I care zilch about servers, laptops etc...)Quote:
What do you all expect AMD to do from a part that hasn't officially launched yet? There are enough people who can be trusted that showed up at the event and saw everything with their own eyes. I believe that more than what I just described above.
Wrong if it can equal current socket 775 CPU but can OC higher it can be an interesting alternative on the OC'ing scene.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
so true, i7 platforms cost 2 times more than amd ones :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by AbelJemka
So you two both claim you would quit eg ya current Intel rig for a similar behaving AMD platform ? if we get 4 - 4.4Ghz (air and water) out of this Phenom II and at those speeds it eg just equals the current 775 line up I would be so dissapointed after all the hype we got...
My point is not many users will make the transition to an AMD platform if it just can keep up with the current socket 775 CPU's or barely beat it...
And why do you compare to I7 ? Lost me completley there
I think the point is that no one would make a lateral move to these chips, however if they were running an older chip and they now have the choice between AMD and Intel as we use to, they would go with AMD. Usually the costs associated with building an AMD system are less than an Intel system and not everyone is going to shell out between $700 to $900 to get into the I7's. It's a consideration when you are building a completely new system because yours is 2-3 years old, but if you just want to upgrade your 1 year old system then you will probably want to use as much of the old system, i.e. memory, that you can.
Wut, Im no emo lol:p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
Anyway, indeed Ive no :banana::banana::banana::banana:'n clue about kinetic energy involved in such situations, thanks for sort of clarifying. Although I already got the point that such low temps wouldnt do the CPU any good, how and what it would do...:confused::p:
But why do you ask that question since I only took one slight look at your rig to think that was a weird question coming from you, especially on this forum:p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
Although I'd at least wait for AM3 boards to be out before making a jump from skt 775, AM2+ ain't dead yet either but as said, ain't making a lot of sense with AM3 being around the corner.
Also 4~4.4Ghz haven't been the noted average. 3.7~4.3Ghz was noted to be an eventual average. In the end Yorkfield ain't hitting 4~4.4Ghz on average either, if PhII would it would actually be a nice move (from tweaker pov). Also I dont see why 4~4.4Ghz would be a dissapointment in anyway:shrug: I think that's actually very nice if true:D
If PII and Penryn are comparable in terms of performance and if you don't already have a Core 2 Quad, PII940 may be much more appealling with unlocked multi than Core 2 Quad. Moreover getting 4GHz with a Core 2 Quad is not that easy even with a Q5500.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
On the 3 from 30 chips thing, it was 30 chips that had passed initial testing at the factory, then 3, and only 3, were tested and used for the overclocks...
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...0&postcount=84Quote:
Originally Posted by bldegle2
I was wondering why no one here noticed two key words coming from AMD demos:
- after first leaks of 6GHz+ run people attending it were saying about revision used for demo as RB-C2H (I can only guess H state High Performance process).
- from recent demo we have information that AMD showed AM3 DDR3 CPUs and also overclocked them to 4GHz+.
Now we have some space for speculation.
Is this mysterious RB-C2H revision simply a RB-C3 one which supposedly is reserved for AM3 parts, or maybe AMD demoed both revisions and no one pointed it clearly?
Will first retail AM2+ parts OC as well as demoed parts???? I think not as well, but well enough to get close to 4GHz on AIR at the beginning.
Was AMD running AM2+ and AM3 systems using only RB-C3 revision? For me it seems likely.
Anyone care to speculate more?? Opinions??
Anything is good for discussion if it's on TOPIC!!:up:
And yes, the 30 chips may well have been cherry picked by AMD but keep in mind, they had a 66% chance of getting a PII that only clocks to 5.5GHz. How many people would have been accusing AMD of cherry picking the chip at the Austin, Texas demo if they only managed 5.5GHz at San Fransico! If AMD had in fact cherried the 30 chips, they would have ensured an average of close to 6GHz for all 30 chips to assure the skeptics that the 6.2GHz chip in Texas was not a cherry picked chip. But yet, they managed to pull out two 5.5GHz chips along with the 6GHz chip.Quote:
Originally Posted by SparkyJJO
There was a CPU-Z validation of a PII that scored over 4GHz. It scored 4.1GHz on a SB600 motherboard. Link hereQuote:
Originally Posted by Lightman
Interesting observation, at least some guys keep there eyes open for the details. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lightman
But to bad its not possible to confirm anything, we need to wait for retail parts to see whats behind this.
6.2ghz!
*hopes this is possible on retail silicon*
maybe 1 out of 1000 would do it but any more then that you can probably forget it.Quote:
Originally Posted by renzokuken
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Originally Posted by taurus_sel
Yeah why don't they screen 100000 chips (probably next gen ones fused to look like current ones) and pick the best one. Then have their front man drive to Las Vegas and have an 'expert' overclocker run it on air with secret settings on a modified board and have an air conditioner blowing air through the cooler (hmm wonder why there was music playing in the background during the actual run) and video tape a single superpi run that hits one core and then claim it does 5GHz are cooled on 8 threads. Yup that sounds a better thing to do.
What do you all expect AMD to do from a part that hasn't officially launched yet? There are enough people who can be trusted that showed up at the event and saw everything with their own eyes. I believe that more than what I just described above.
Of course LOL! Even more of the Press, Webmasters and etc..... were at the First Conroe event. Yet, some of the same folks who say trust now, said Don't trust then. Same old double standards.Quote:
Originally Posted by clo007
I believe the LN extreme overclocks because I know someone who at 8 only one of those reach 4GHz. The average is not 3.7 to 4.2GHz, they're say 3.4 to 3.8GHz (Bud's test 8 and one did 4GHz). Still a very nice improvement over Phenom 1. You'll not have to burn a IMC to get those speeds either :wink:
I trust an XS member will release results when they (legally) can :D
On the AM3 vs. AM2+...I should probably pay attention, with the former requiring me to change RAM (damnit).
Callin you out on this. You're an exception as an Intel employee. Most employees don't have full freedom: they do it under the radar. Most employees do not have your 1st amendment rights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drwho?
How do I know? Let's say that the secret Intel employees who have browsed XS (not necessarily a member) have told me so. Why have they told me? It's because the same employees are actually upset because you're tarnishing Intel as a company with your lies about AMD. Don't criticize me: I'm just the messenger.
This is unnecessary :mad: Why can't you just disagree without being so obnoxious? I use Intel products and I'm glad Francois is on this forum dropping little hints here and there about Intel products, if you don't like it, use the ignore button already!Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadowmage
The problem is that he's doing it while being childish about AMD. Also I have some very reliable sources that state that there's a lot of things about Nehalem that he's not telling you. Ironically, there's more things "wrong" with the Intel Nehalem demo sponsored by DrWho than AMD's demo. If anything, he's giving Intel a bad name as far as publicity is concerned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zucker2k
I hear the red, orange, and black coming.
If you mean the mods, don't worry, I've already checked with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yukon Trooper
http://www.flickr.com/photos/amd_unp...ed/3047145934/Quote:
Originally Posted by gallag
You want to know how we know that...look at this picture. Look beside Macci on the big screen tv. Yes, there are 4 cores enabled. And yes there is LN2 in the tube. And yes macci is doing the demo.
It's staying for now....let's not let it get worse though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yukon Trooper