How do I check if this OS supports DX 10.1 ?
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How do I check if this OS supports DX 10.1 ?
run dxdiagQuote:
Originally Posted by Cooper
guide to make it run like WS http://www.win2008workstation.com/wordpress/
the sidebar part is not the best, I have better procedure.(will post tomorow)
people this OS and vista sp1 have the same code base, if it run on vista will run on 2008.
the only problem are the setups that check the os version.(that can be fixed too)
W2K8 x64 became my main OS on Friday evening. I tried the Vista experience thrice and each time was more disappointing than the last so when I read about using W2K8 as a workstation I was naturally skeptical but from the first boot I've been in love.
Sure, the load time is longer than XP, which is to be expected in a server OS but I've had no issues installing any of my daily apps or games.
I'm using a licensed version, tried the evaluation earlier in VMWare but the trial wouldn't let me install A.D. so I bit the bullet and just activated the sucker.
The largest difference for me has to be the lack of lag. Vista always gave me lag opening my attached hdd's and samba shares but I'm not experiencing any of that now. I should mention that I'm only running 2GB ram, W2K8 has no issues here, Vista would cry like a baby..
I finally found a replacement for XP.
Now, if only that extra 2x2GB will arrive..
im using it on a dfi nf4 with an opteron 148 and 1gb of ram and it runs pretty quick no issues with it.
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Originally Posted by RFC Rudel
It shows same DX10 as in Vista pre SP1.
Any other ways? Or it's really just 10th
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Originally Posted by Cooper
my htpc vista 64 sp1 shows dx10 too.
we must check .dll version but I am sure they are the same.
even the build number of the 2008 is sp1!!!!! (run Winver)
good way to have testing software without paying dude :pQuote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
try 2x4GB kits
maybe mix of 1GB and 2GB sticks makes the system go a bit crazy
I hope not, it's my intended setup (for VM). Let's see how this one plays out..Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
i don't mean unstableQuote:
Originally Posted by szukalski
i'm sure it will be perfectly stable
VM with all that RAM will be awesome from what ppl tell me about VM and RAM usage :) hehe
not crazy as such, just slows things down a little
the manual states:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...5&postcount=12Quote:
You may install varying memory sizes in Channel A and Channel B. The system maps the total size of the lower-sized channel for dual channel configuration. Any excess memory from the higher-sized channel is then mapped for single channel operation
same thing is mentioned in the manual for the P5B Deluxe too
Quick question. What is the preferable version of Server 2008? Standard, Enterprise or Datacenter? I would assume Datacenter?
Like would there be speed differences between the versions, or limitations on the lower ones or something?
enterprise is what i would recommender, datacenter is enterprise with lustering and it comes with a hefty license if its pricing is like 03
enterprise already support fail over clusters.Quote:
Originally Posted by zanzabar
to buy check what you need, there is a BIG diference in price from standard to enterprice.
Overview of Editions
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserv...-overview.aspx
Compare Server Roles
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserv...are-roles.aspx
Compare Features
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserv...-features.aspx
Compare Technical Features and Specifications
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserv...are-specs.aspx
Windows Server 2008 Standard
$999
Available in 32-bit and 64-bit versions. Includes 5 CALs (User or Device, chosen after purchase)
Windows Server 2008 Enterprise
$3,999
Available in 32-bit and 64-bit versions. Includes 25 CALs (User or Device, chosen after purchase)
Windows Server 2008 Datacenter Edition
$2,999
Available in 32-bit and 64-bit versions
Windows Web Server 2008
$469
Web Server-only product**, no CALs required. Available in 32-bit and 64-bit versions.
Which is the most minimalist?
I am guessing it would be out of Standard or Enterprise?
I dont see the need for enterprise, I am running server 08 x32 standard on my 1200MHz Celeron rig with 1GB of RAM and it runs great. I like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MuffinFlavored
I know people cracked vista rc1 to work indefinitely, is there anything like that for server08?
the web edition but it is very limited, the standard edition is the start point.Quote:
Originally Posted by MuffinFlavored
Hmm... I don't understand why is datacenter more expensive, when it supports the most features? Compare the technical features here:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserv...are-specs.aspx
Datacenter has all of those of enterprise and then some. Was that just a typo, with it having the cheaper price?
Anyway price aside, it does not matter to me. Which would technically be the best one to get and offer the best performance?
Took windows 2008 server enterprise for a test run, based on preliminary impressions, I could hardly detect a difference between it and a "tweaked out" pre sp1 x64 vista ultimate in terms of responsiveness, except in boot times speed where the former took several seconds less time to load from progress bar to desktop. Was able to get the same effect after tweaking the prefetcher and superfetch settings in vista.
Am tempted though to do a clean setup for both and do a pcmark vantage comparison run just to get a more conclusive idea of general performance difference between the two, but lazy to go through all the setup :p:
For now, I don't think there's a working time stop nor bios emulation to prevent activation indefinitely.Quote:
I know people cracked vista rc1 to work indefinitely, is there anything like that for server08?
Who needs that?Quote:
Originally Posted by [cTx] Raptor22
We have 240 days ahead, after that. Format the partition, reinstall and more 240 days.
Metroid.
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Originally Posted by Metroid
yes:up:
only issue is some uncontrollable pop up windows occasionally pop up during benches from previous eval versionsQuote:
Originally Posted by Metroid
kinda annoying when you're doing a fast 32M run lol
I will let you know a way to disable it soon. I'm downloading it now.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
Metroid.
I thought 2008 came with DX9 but you could install DX10 onto it.
http://img.techpowerup.org/080318/hmmmm.jpg
And then there is this.
How do I do that? Changing some version numbers in the registry I guess, the question is which of them . .:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by RFC Rudel
a normal exe can be fooled using the compatibility mode.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mats
the msi installer cant be fooled so easily, you need to edit the msi pacage requiremts whit some msi related tools.
some msi only have a compressed .exe, you can install and then on the first error you do not click cancel and you go to the temp folder to get the real installer....
Thanks! :toast: I've just found out about this software.
How does one get DX10.1 on server 2k8?
Got a bSOD in Server last night which i never had in VIsta. But im thinking it could be related to Nvidia drivers i am runnning, will test some more tonight.
BAD_POOL_CALLER
how do i actually get to the desktop? it says i have to change the password before logging in, but every password i have tried just tells me it's not complex enough, or long enough, or doesn't match the history of the domain...? what do i do haha
It uses the same driver as Vista at least with Nvidia Drivers it works great.Quote:
Originally Posted by 003
A complex password is one of at least 1 Capital letter, 1 number and lowercase letters, like 1kkGuTr6N8.Quote:
Originally Posted by DamienKC
Metroid.
a-zQuote:
Originally Posted by DamienKC
A-Z
0-9
;)
How is your experience?Quote:
Originally Posted by Metroid
I will post benchmarks later and explain better as for now I can say Win Server 2008 is quite similar to XP, %5 less performance on some tests, some +5%. I have to fix an internal problem with my hardware first, looks like my CPU got a real time flash light bug due to some xtreme overclocking.lolQuote:
Originally Posted by MuffinFlavored
Metroid.
Sounds like we finally have a winner here! Can't wait for your comparison! Did you compare xp x64 to server 2008 x64, or the 32-bit versions?Quote:
Originally Posted by Metroid
Temporarily Bypass Windows Server 2008 Activation
http://www.petri.co.il/bypass-window...activation.htm
microsoft is so safe :D
My report on this:
Hi all-
I was swayed by the rave 20% claims as well, and scratched my perfectly good and "legit" Windows XP + SP3 install in favour of W2008 WS edition (evaluation.)
And before you reply to my comments, get this, I am a legit owner of a Vista HP license as well. That box has been lying unused for a long time now :P
I thought the performance in gaming would have taken a good turn.... but alas, no such thing. The FPS is STILL crappy compared to XP in Source Engine games (like CS: Source.) I for now will be moving back to my XP install tonight.
Do you think sp1 for vista is compatible with server 2008 ?
Server 2008 has sp1 in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ultimeus
great thanks
Is it faster than XP x64? Should I wipe out my partition to install 08?
I'd say it's most unlikely that 2008 would be faster than XP-64. Comparing Vista to 2008 is probably done in the wrong way, since they don't have the same settings in stock. I'd like to see someone comparing them the same services started, and same features used, maybe both stripped down with the same vLite file.
It's not that hard to figure out which version of Windows 6.1 that is the fastest one out of the box, Vista have a lot of stuff running in the background. I'm sure you guys here know how to turn it off, but not everybody. Comparing with stock settings (except for things you must change in 2008) is not a fair comparsion, even though some people think so.
32 bit versions. I have many things to do yet. I do not want to show only few tests, as far as the tests go I can say Windows Server 2008 or Long horn is a must have OS for everyday use. NT kernel is fast.Quote:
Originally Posted by 003
Metroid.
Oh that sucks...Quote:
Originally Posted by KiD0M4N
Now I'm confused, conflicting information... we need some reliable benches! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Metroid
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.Quote:
Originally Posted by [cTx] Raptor22
I install server 2008 coming from xp , I think it's same speed, but I can't find a antivirus that work's with it (x64 edition) ??
Wich one you use ?
Avast 4.7 :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by ultimeus
I tried bit defender 10 , Kaspersky and Avast 4.7 familial and pro not worksQuote:
Originally Posted by [cTx] Raptor22
It says your os is not satisfying you can only install avast on windows Nt4 with sp4 or superior. It can not be install on NT server ????
NOD32 also works fine.
Use Threatfire. It's free and performs way better than most AV.
Omg that is so retardet, how can they let that old trick live?Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenEye
well don't know why but I can't install any antivir , always detected as a server OS ( yes I know it is but need an antivir )
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/5345/antivirbr9.jpg
Of course I take each time x64 compatible
nod32 business edition works
symantec corporate also works
I think I'm going to switch to Vista64 , I find a way to crash it, install msn 7 and do an upgrade to windows live = crash
Install Trillian instead of msn and you'll be right.
LOL just had a BSOD out of nowhere while booting..
After a simple reset everything works fine again :ROTF: gotta love Billy's humour :D
just wanted to share that I'm having issues running arcserve12 (with a autoloader) and win2k8 server
For 3 months {since RC1} I'm using 2008 Server x64 as my 24/7 OS [with uptimes from couple of days to two weeks :), of course "user-dependent" not like Vista which is almost "forcing" reboots due to "prefetching" {argh...}], much better than Vista IMHO. Aero, DX10, no prefetching, no problems :).
So, anyone managed to run [bench] PCMark Vantage on 2008 yet? I believe this is same "protection against Server OS'es" like in 3DMark Vantage will be.
On "stock" 2008 it installs and then it wants... "Vista" :rofl: :down:
off topic, but trillian aint the best anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by szukalski
check out pidgin, open source>for windows/unix
blows trill outta the water
Now if only there was an iso on the net that's not ultra cleverly named, is >1mb and has a seed/leech of more then 1:10000, i'll happily try it out.
Why would you want an ISO from the net when you can get the ISO direct from Microsoft? It took me less than 30 minutes to download it.Quote:
Originally Posted by n-sanity
Simply extract, and then run vlite. My install went from 3.5gb to 1.8gb easy.
Haha, funnily enough Pidgin was what I was really after but couldn't remember the name and Trillian was a lot quiicker given my memory of it!Quote:
Originally Posted by strange|ife
I use miranda for the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by szukalski
My conclusion for server 2008 :
I think this os is really for gaming and work, great stability, memory usage lower than vista, really responding and quick, fully parametrable , and most important for me: not this f*cking UAC, you can change any file without any advertisement.
Drivers of vista are fully compatible.
But for me there is a but , this os is not for all usage I mean my version (x64) as trouble with a lot of program because they refuse to install in os server. it's not a polyvalent os, this is for benching,gaming,working (for me means graphism, video editing, web design,)
So for my use i'll switch to Vista64 with tweaking.
awsome os
this OS is supported on VLite
i cut it down to around 900MB or so and turned off all that transparent theme crap, UAC and :banana::banana::banana::banana:loads of other things
have to test the install now
probably won't work :rofl:
surely if you can turn server 2008 into workstation 2008 you know how to turn pre-fetch off in vista?Quote:
Originally Posted by JMKS
I am currently running a vlite version of this. It works nice!Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
antivirus software that works
http://www.win2008workstation.com/wo...rity-software/
Clamwin is opensource
man eva2000 gave me a good idea
how cool is this program EEK
http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/9...board01gr5.png
Until a couple of months ago I had a really old copy of QBTimer for inputting my hours at work (we use QuickBooks to track employee hours). This copy of QBTimer was so old that it would insta-crash on any dual monitor machine, and all I had were dual monitor workstations.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
To make my long story short I had to install XP in M$'s virtual PC just to run QBTimer and so I could get my time in and get paid - good times, good times.
Can i be sure that server 2008 is really an "specialized version" of vista ? I'd like further confirmation. Thanks.
It is the same build number as Vista SP1 (6001). It just basically has all of the slow part of the kernel removed yielding improved performance. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tonucci
Nice.... So vliteing them would probably result in the same thing.
Except that it still performs worse than XP/2003.Quote:
Originally Posted by [cTx] Raptor22
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Originally Posted by G H Z
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Originally Posted by Tonucci
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Originally Posted by [cTx] Raptor22
I ran benchmarks on Windows Server 2008 Standard 64-bit vLited to 1gb (literally nothing remained, look at the first 3 screen shots under the Server 2008 section) and my every day Windows XP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tonucci
System is in my signature.
Video card drivers used: 174.74 non-WHQL
Code:Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 32-bit (Western Digital Raptor 150GB non-AHCI)
http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/508...0529970_rs.jpg
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3DMark06 Standard Benchmark with October 2007 Hot fix: 10534 3DMarks
EDIT:Code:Windows Server 2008 Standard Service Pack 1 64-bit (Western Digital SE16 Caviar 250GB AHCI)
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/8304/vlite1wp7.jpg
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http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/8861/vlite3ni1.jpg
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3DMark06 with October 2007 Hot fix: 9983
Added Windows XP "services.msc" window along with "Performance Options".
Time to go do the same on Workstation.
http://www.win2008workstation.com/wordpress/
Great site with many ways to turn off server functionality and bump up the workstation functionality.
Finally some real numbers... Thats hardly any hit, just ~600 points. Could you bench them again, except with a normal install of Server 2008, configured as a workstation (don't modify with vlite)?
Oh and quick question. All you guys that do modify with vlite, and more than chop the size in half, what is it exactly that you are removing? Like how do you know what is OK to remove, and won't cause problems with other aplications that depend on what was removed, etc...?
vLite gives a description for every item there is to remove.Quote:
Originally Posted by 003
I posted a screen shot of what I did and did not remove.
I integrated my own Ethernet adapter, audio, and video card drivers, so nothing else was necessary.
How exactly would I configure Server 2008 as a workstation? As you can see, I only had the bare minimum processes and services running, and no fancy interface.
I should really take a picture of the services.msc screen on both. Let me do that now.
But, as for me erasing my DVD-RW with my custom vLite and running tests with a more bloated, stock system, sorry.
But please do let me know how to make it more workstation-ish.
:up:
Thanks for that, MuffinFlavored.
Somehow my 3dmark scores where a bit higher with aero enabled.. dunno why though.
I re-did all of the Server 2008 tests.
I am keeping this much more organized.
I am going to re-do all of the Windows XP tests.
I tried to be descriptive as possible.
BIOS Shots included
Hardware
Settings
everything
Any requests, just ask.
Added HD Tune, wPrime, 3DMark06 increased.
Windows Server 2008 Service Pack 1 64-bit Benchmarks
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2516040...7604317643513/
Good work. Could you also benchmark Server 2008 with aero enabled? I don't see how it could raise the score, though.
Standard, Enterprise, Datacenter, with or w/o Hyper-V (CORE is without)?
I pisked enterprise without
Core is without a lot more than Hyper-V.Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
All my tests were run without Hyper-V.
Hyper-V can be added via the Role manager.
I tried to see how small I could get Windows Server 2008 Standard Core 64-bit.Code:Attempt to see how small I could make Windows Server 2008 Standard Core 64-bit using vLite
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I highlighted what all my integrated drivers are.
If you got Paint.NET, Notepad++, Picasa, iTunes, Pidgin, Apache + MySQL + PHP, you would be set.
I need to run tests on that setup.
I wonder if I can put a DVD shrunken to CD sizes on a CD.
EDIT:
Code:Windows Server 2008 Standard Core vLited to ~450mb ISO burned to a CD-ROM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2332/...df2c7d3b_o.png
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yup, nnstep is shrinking server 2008 for the latest xsosQuote:
Originally Posted by MuffinFlavored
i burnt the 480mb iso to a cd-rw and had no problems installing from it
Yeah, I just updated my post. It works.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pyr0
nnStep?
The latest XS OS, that sounds good.
When I integrated all my drivers, I shrunk the INFs for only my specific device and vendor ID.
WOW man that is small
does everything work ok???
upload it dude :D:D:D
I totally could. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
I will do some tests in, 1 hour.
:D
If all goes well, and if the results are off the wall balling, I will share it with everyone.
YAY!Quote:
Originally Posted by MuffinFlavored
http://www.pharmacyboardshop.com/pho...ux_landing.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Emerica
Guys, if this was done using the Server Core version, then it won't have a GUI. The Core version is only command prompt and has a lot of things a workstation depends on removed.
You are nuts. "Ride the best, f/uck the rest"Quote:
Originally Posted by MuffinFlavored
http://www.isitfast.com/images/Decal...skateboard.jpg
Let me verify this right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by 003
I want to grab some Krux 3 Ice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Emerica
http://www.kruxtrucks.com/banners/tw...s/ice_case.jpg
you should use microsoft virtual software to install it on the machine to test it out
it doesn't take long at all :D
I want the true, Xtreme performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
With that 480mb install, does he have a UI?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pyr0
Does Windows Server Core really not include a UI?
My ~400mb install gave me an error before any setup.
Pyro if you really shrunk it down to 480mb and it still has a GUI and everything works normally please share what exactly you removed.
I do not think it is possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by 003
Windows Server 2008 Standard with everything removed is 850mb.
Can anyone answer this:
Does Windows Server 2008 Core have a UI?
I am re-installing Windows Server 2008.
I did AHCI incorrectly.
I don't know for sure, but I did hear that you can install it without a GUI, so maybe that is the non-gui mode.Quote:
Originally Posted by MuffinFlavored
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...Untitled-3.png
Runs Great!!!!:yepp: :shocked: :up:
I jus tinstalled server 2003 (sp2, 32bit though) to see what the differences are between the two (performance wise :) )
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2018/...82755387_o.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by [cTx]Warboy
Cut that RAM usage in half!
I am trying to "move in" and make Windows Server 2008 my regular operating system.
I really messed up with the AHCI. I didn't set the SATA ports to act as AHCI.
Now, I have the Intel Chipset drivers installed (8.something.something.11) from the Gigabyte website (The Intel site had a lower version, of their own drivers?).
I may configure a nice Debian install (Linux) to compare RAM usage.
I know just sitting in the UI, Debian only uses 67mb of RAM.
Place how RAM much Windows Server 2008 uses just sitting at the UI with all the un-needed services turned off and no background processes other than the system here.