Turn XMP off, set your QPI voltage, memory voltage, timings and multi manually :up:
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After reading about good results with F4n on the UD5 I'm giving it a try. I am getting the same voltage results as f5a-f5d for my current 19x200 target OC with the added benefit that the system doesn't crash when I add the third memory module. LinX good (> 17k problem size), Prime almost an hour but no guarantee. I'm sticking with 8-8-8-21-1T and seeing how it goes!
If you are having stability issues and are using 3 modules I suggest going back (or to) one of the good F4 versions.
BTW, this is also with a much increased ambient temp of 29.5C as I've shut the window.
Edit: Already crashed at maybe an hour and 15 mins. Dropping to 2T command rate and trying again. Is it even worth it to use 1T anyway?
Edit3: 3 hours Prime blend stable so far at same high ambient and other settings with 2T command rate.
Where can i find hte latest bios for the Gig X58 Extreme,,,,, Vista Sp1 64bit installed....
EDIt just found f5d, is that the latest?
F5e for UD5 and F5d for Extreme at time of posting:
http://forums.tweaktown.com/f69/giga...st-bios-28441/
Xello, SteveRo, and Nilos, thanks for the input, I tried each of your suggestions individualy and together but no luck, It seems the 21x multi is the the sweet spot for this my cpu/mobo, as lowering the multi doesn't help with the BCLK.
SteveRo- I'm on the UD5, I d-loaded the f4L bios when the f4m was available for the Extreme, I'm assuming it's the same generation
So now my 24/7 o-clock is a choice between 3801 HT on, or 4053 HT off. The only encoding I do is the occasional avi-dvd to burn a DVD, without HT this loads all 4 cores at 60-70%. Outside of that the comp is used for online and gaming, am I giving up much by not using HT ? The only negative effects I see from leaving it on is the higher temps on air cooling.
F5d is the latest for Extreme. If you use it, let us know if you have problem with reboot bug while Ocing with it, ie at 4ghz etc. If you do have problems shutdown and hit reset to get back into bios. And shutdown/reset to boot after being in bios.
F4m and f4j are best bioses for most.
I tested the bios but when i want to restart the system, the computer hangs. Always have to push the reset button. Returned to F4M.
I'm scared to even flash my BIOS with as many problems as everyone is having. I'm running 4.0 GHz stable 24/7 with no issues with the F1 BIOS on the UD3R. I've gotten it stable (but with higher temps) at 215x21, so should I be happy?
I'm having an issue with my board getting over 200Mhz blck. When I try for 206Mhz it only detecting 4 gigs of RAM instead of 6. I tried upping the qpi to 1.44v and also tried upping the vdimm to 1.74v but that doesn't seem to be helping things much. I either fails LinX within the first or second pass or I get a BSOD that seems to be memory related because the last one I got said Memory Management for the BSOD. I either have a bad board or my CPU can't handle pushing the memory past 1600Mhz because I tested and know that my Corsair 1600Mhz Dominators are capable of higher speeds.
Yup. I just tried it again and bumped the QPI/VTT up to 1.48v and the QPI/PLL to 1.4v. It's perfectly stable at 200x19 with my test settings of 1.38V QPI/VTT and 1.3V QPI/PLL. But I push it up to 206Mhz and it's unstable and only detecting 4 gigs of RAM. Something is the matter but I don't know what.
I tried upping the vcore to 1.4v and thought that fixed the issue because Vista x64 was detecting 6 gigs again. So then I tried pushing the blck up to 211Mhz and it booted into Vista and detected 6 gigs and so I started running LinX. It froze after a few seconds and BSOD'd. I then upped the vCore to 1.45v thinking that would fix it. I'm back into Vista and guess what? It's only detecting 4 gigs of RAM. So I don't know what's going on. At the moment I'm going to lay the blame on the board until I get a different brand board to test to see if it's the CPU.
I just flashed to F5d, it had F3 from the egg, but in both I have Easy Tune 6 crashing, I like that program on my UD3P and want it with the X58,
I'm running Vista Ultimate Sp1 x64 with all updates~
I wonder if I should backtrack to the F4x, but i hate going backwards... :shakes:
EasyTune 6 works in Vista-64, mostly lol. It just crashes sometimes and gives error messages. It's still good enough to see what your BIOS settings are and to show them in screen shots.
Here's my latest result with BIOS F4n, 6 gigs, 8-8-8-21-2T, 19x200 non turbo with HT, 1.184v load, 1.200v idle, stopped Prime after 3.5 hours and re-ran LinX x 20, booyakasha:
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/1...gsdetaike1.jpg
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=486971
Screw 1T command rate.
I'm not losing any performance as far as Super-PI or LinX Gflops by going from 1T to 2T. I've been on 1T the whole time so far so I guess it's time to do some back to back comparisons with a slew of benches.
1T doesn't seem to offer the same gains compared to X48, but it equally doesn't hold back your OC from what i could tell.
I done what you're saying and went back to some settings to see if 2T would let me clock memory higher / take other timings down, but it didn't make any difference.
I just stick with 1T :)
I still haven't passed a really long Prime blend run with 2T and 3 x 2GB @ 1600mhz 8-8-8-21 @ 19 x 200 BCLK but I did do 3.5 hours. I was getting consistent crashes after about an hour in to Prime blend with 1T but -only- with 3 modules. I went 11 hours with 2 modules @ 1T.
I will do the long test to ensure that I am really stable with just changing to 2T and no other setting change with 3 modules and then re-test @ 1T to make sure that I am getting repeatable crashes in Prime blend.
Have any of you played with the Clock Drive or Clock Skew settings to see if you could gain any more stability by changing anything there?? On the clock drive it seems to set to 800/900 on optimized defaults but 700/700 after flashing the BIOS. Probably doesn't make any difference much really.
so is the double start thing a known issue? I power the pc on and it goes on, off, and on again... it never has any issues posting after that, but it's just kind of weird. Maybe some kind of power check??
I was seeing that repeated 'power cycle' issue on cold boot with f5a-f5d BIOS versions. I am not seeing this issue in f4n.
Edit: Yes I am. Plus a new issue after much testing, the multi setting input box can get stuck in the BIOS and not accept your changes. I am now using F5e with much success (which also does the repeated 'power cycle' upon cold boots or certain BIOS setting changes).
I just thought that I would note in case anyone else hadn't noticed that the latest version of EVEREST Ultimate Edition seems to be reporting North Bridge temps for the Gigabyte UD5/Extreme. My temps at the moment are 60C running Prime Blend and with 1.3v IOH. What kind of temps are the rest of you getting?
http://www.lavalys.com:8081/beta/eve...jha7tbys2x.zip
It'll vary greatly depending on voltage and your video cards.
I'm on stock (1.1v if i remember right) but with 2 GTX295 i sit 55c idle and push 61-65c, 67c max under load (while gaming).
If you have enough gpu's a session of Crysis will actually heat up the NB more than blend :D
does anybody have the lan-drivers for the mobo? on the gb website.there's only several drivers...which is so so....
thanks
GA-EX58-UD5 - F5e finally is a stable bios for me. Tried a lot, futile so far.
Now 26x150 @ 1.4 vcore and 27x150 @ 1.4750 vcore both hit 8 hours stable ortho. Only problem is the temperature: 78 C load and 85 load C respectively.
Using Thermalright 120 extreme black with 2 scythe SFF21F on the i7 965 Extreme and UD5 mobo doesnt seem to temper these temps. Maybe replace the thermalright with new artic?
try the x21 multi - that is a sweet spot for several i7s - perhaps - for a first try - 21x191 hyper threading off - set at vcore of 1.4v, cpu PLL at 1.88, qpi at 1.335, mem at 1.64 for a start - multi's at x36, 13 and 6 for qpi, uncore and memory - that should get you going. That f5e bios might be a problem for you also, most oc folks are still running f4 bios's. I found (on extreme) that best oc bios was either f4j or f4m.
Great thread, very informative.
I'm just about to upgrade to the i7, and would really like to try a Gigabyte mobo over an Asus board. However, it seems bios issues are plentiful here, but I know thats how it is with all mobos I guess. I'm just not used to so many beta bios versions, like all the F4xx's and now the F5xx's.
Is it just hit or miss with these Gibabyte bios releases? Or has there been a couple solid ones out there.
Thanks
Well I grabbed another 920 today, the batch # was close to a couple of decent ones on here. 3837A908 seems to be a lot more playful than the last one. First thing I noticed was the default vcore, 1.275v vs. 1.325v of my other one. I did the basic setting in the bios, left turbo and HT on, booted right into windows and started priming at 1.232 under load at 3780, lasted about 2 minutes then rebooted. Turned off turbo, and it's about 10 minutes into prime as I type this. Temps are 54-60c in a 22c ambient, VTT is at 1.15v, but it looks good so far. There's one more of these at another retailer across town, for those in Winnipeg, pm me and I'll give you the location.
edit: actualy it's going between 1.232 and 1.216v under load with LLC enabled, I think I'll do the vdroop mod that dinos22 mentioned.
On Wednesday, I get my new things, i7 965 Extreme Quad - Corsair TWIN3X 1866MHz DDR3 3GB DHX + - Gigabyte GA-EX58-UD5, X58 - Corsair Power Supply 1000W Black - already have 3 HD4870X2, some tips on the bios setting, and the bios that is best for this set ..
Is there any "golden" UD5 BIOS for S3 / Standby support?
Every... single... one... From F3 -> F5E has failed to come out of S3 properly.
Anyone have any info on a S3-friendly BIOS to take more time with?
There is a possibility to put the multi at x21 on the 920? w/o enabling Turbo.
If is... how to do it?
i don't have any problems resuming from sleep :shrug:
You need to have HT on to resume from s3.
This is a pretty major glitch, it should be put somewhere, maybe on the first post or something.
Damn right, when i started posting on this thread there were only 20-30 pages to read through to catch up, i don't think i'd bother now :eek:
And in fact, i remember from testing that under all bios even with HT on, while resuming does work, the board's lights and LED display never return to normal. The voltage lights never come back on, and the LED hangs on D1 or something like that. The only light that's on is the power button, which never actually goes off even in sleep mode.
i can resume from sleep with or without HT (i have HT disabled atm and have just tested)
the led reads E1 while resuming, and then FF when it gets to the desktop
since disabling HT, the only prob i have is that it will occasionally go straight back to sleep again if i use the mouse to wake it and then don't move it while resuming
if i wake the pc by pressing the spacebar, it seems to resume normally
So, perhaps this was covered, but how does the UD5 recover from a bad bios setting? does it try to power up a couple times and then revert to power on defaults? or.... do you have to clear CMOS with the button?
nice.. what is your base clock set to? seems like anything over 180 or so and people have issues with sleep mode.
i'm running 191x21 at the moment
recovery from bad bios settings seems to be pretty much automatic
sometimes it can just hang, but pressing the reset button a couple of times usually gets it to recover
ahh, so maybe there some hope.. :) thx on the bios question also.
Pyr0 (or anyone with a gigabyte board) ..could you run a simple test? Could you resume out of SM and measure how many seconds from power button to windows reappearing? My ud5 always resumes out of SM, but it is extremely slow and I want to know if my numbers are typical, or, if there is something wrong with my board.
Thanks
roughly 15 seconds from pressing spacebar to seeing desktop
hehehe, lo m8... ahh those were the days lol
not rly much of a bencher these days tho, i just like having a nice quick system
[edit] i've still got that board & mem too :p:
i resume out of sleep mode pretty much instantly. Maybe a second or two
hehe, takes longer than that for my psu/hard drives etc. to spin up
I resume 18 seconds, Pyr0 says 15, you report 2...Do you have a special striped down ver of vista? I'm asking cause I tested a DFI x58 board and it resumed in 13 seconds, yet, another poster reported 6 seconds for the same board. All my core two duo boards were in the 4-9 second range. This is an extremely important issue to me so I really want to know why I'm so slow resuming. Any info you can provide will be helpful cause if my board really is lacking in this regard, I have until Jan. 26 to send it back to Amazon for a replacement. I've tested under both Vista home premium 32 and 64, and I've tried every BIOS through F5E. You?
Just regular 64 premium, with the rig specs below. I am using F3 however, as after using pretty much every bios up through F5d (on my previous board which I returned dur to a memory issue). I'll admit, it kind of amazed me how quickly i resumed form sleep as well, but i chalked it up to the hard drive (my entire rig is pretty much new except the PS & Case). I'll take a video if you don't believe me :)
so from a completely dead silent system (as in everything's off, sleeping), your psu, fans and hard drives all spin up and you are at the desktop in 2 seconds?
do you have hybrid sleep disabled?
maybe it's the velociraptor :shrug:
as i mentioned, it takes longer than 2 seconds for my PSU to roar into action and 6 hdd's to spin up :(
yep, computer is dead silen, fans off, lights on keyboard and mouse off, nothing spinning. Hit a key on my keyboard, everythign lights up and and login screen pops up probably in 2 seconds. Never had a computer resume that quickly either. However, I'm almost entire chalking it up to the HD, because Steam and my other tasktray items load up pretty much instantly on a regular cold boot as well, which is something I've never experienced either, and I have to believe it's the Velociraptor.
Stupid question: is the 1x pci-e slot usable in the UD5? Looks like any board would hit the nb cooler...
Hi,
I will grab a UD5 tomorrow together with 3Gb Corsair and a 920.
Shall I flash it to a Extreme or does it matters at all? I have seen that most people use bios F4J.
Do you think there will be an "drop mod" settings (for Vcore) in bios in future or do I have to fix it manually with a Vpot?
Finally.....I quess the white dim slots are the right one to use, right? :)
New bios ud5 http://forums.tweaktown.com/f69/giga...st-bios-28441/ :up:
Well that's on the UD5 with a UD5 bios, i should have mentioned i was talking about the Extreme. I'm not sure about flashing it with UD5 bios, i wouldn't risk it, the boards have a slightly different layout and it took me long enough to get my current setting squared up.
E1 is right, when i turn HT on that's what it stays at even after fully resumed. When HT is off, E1 displays but i never get full resume, just blank screen.
Theta mentioned having probs with S3 on a UD5 too
hehe, i've wondered if cross-flashing would be possible, but i'm guessing not since the extreme has more graduated voltage options etc. :shrug:
anyone have any ideas/info ?
Some people have reported flashing the UD5 with Extreme bios, and i think they were successful. Beyond that, not sure. I remember seeing in a change log for one of the Extreme bios, might be F4, something about "fixed s3 resume issue with Turbo on", seems they forgot about HT though.
would be interesting to hear from anyone who's tried it :)
anybody got any links to any threads/posts ?
After messing around with the x58 - extreme for quite some time, I finally tried to install a sound card and a few other things..
i found there is just not enough space for any additional cards...
How do you install a sound card on to the extreme board while the passive cooling is in the way?
thanks in advance,
jack
You don't! Take the passive cooler off, no need for it :up:
Yeah, tops out @ 67c as i said, on Crysis. Other less demanding games it's generally 60-64c. No problem! I can say in my experience the NB needs no active cooling, beyond the normal airflow in my case. I guess i'm not at the most extreme end of the heat spectrum though, for that you need dual 4870x2's, though i'm sure it still wouldn't pass 70c and the red LED doesn't light up until 81c is passed. These things were designed to be very stable at high loads, according to francois, and so far i can confirm that.
Quad SLI / Crossfire is such a small % of users though. I wouldn't hesitate in taking off this fin attachment if i didn't need it, i haven't done any testing but several have reported it only making 1-2c of a difference. The thought occurs that perhaps at higher loads it makes more of a difference, but i'd (purely guessing) say still no more than 3-5c.
I think NB temps are another area just like CPU temps (which we've covered in either this thread or the core i7 one) where perhaps more caution is generally observed than is necessary, especially on X48 - i remember being given strict advice when i got my Blackops not to exceed 45c under load or instability would come quickly. Well when i ditched my 9600GT and popped in 2 4870x2's my heart almost sank when i seen my temps during Crysis quickly rise to 55-57c, i remember at first considering even selling one of the cards just because of that temp reading. However i gamed with those cards for a good many hours and didn't experience a single problem that resulted from this :)
4.2ghz, 1.42v in bios, 1.39v windows 1.37v load or around there.
New high OC result for my i7-920, on air:
4.2ghz (21x200), HT on, 89c max temp @ 18c ambient, LinX x 20.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=2283
when do the temps get dangerous?
when the C2Ds came out everyone tried to stay under 70, then the quads came out and suddenly 70's were ok, but 80's too high...
now people are reaching 90's :p
Supposedly the chip is resilient at high temps but I don't think anyone's going to run it like that on air long term.
I'm only running it this hard on air (in the winter) to prove the chip is water cooling worthy so I can convince myself to dive in. :p:
well, intel says 100c max... I see people's loads in the 90s on air at 4ghz and beyond... that's too high for me. I am going to try and keep mine under or at 75c with a 22c ambient .. so then if the ambient goes up I have some headroom.. because in the summer my office becomes a damn kiln.. might need to get a portable AC unit in there finally... if this Jan is any indication as to what summer will be like we're in for a scorcher. :o
in other news, I hope to get to pushing my board one of the nights this week but have been gaming a lot in the evenings since I got it installed. I am going to shoot for 18x200 with mem @ 1600 for the next tier.. I know it's lower than most of you guys OC, but it will be plenty fast for me. :)
at 33ºC ambient i get 81ºC at full load at 4Ghz.
I hope this heat wave goes away and I my temps go down to high 60's~low 70's
BAM just got my first over 4g on my 920, now i got to find the sweet spot..... :surf:
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=489042
Re: sleep mode posts...
I fixed my problem by reformating/reinstalling the OS. I had done a new install previously and had the slow resume prob, so I don't know why it works now. I'm getting 6 second resume now, not the two second that gFiz is getting, but that's a helluva lot better than 18 seconds. I'm going into sleep mode in about 15 seconds.One problem remains however...if and only if I'm using F5E BIOS, everytime I launch EasyTune6 (any ver) I get a notification message that tells me to D/L the latest ver of ET6. This is somehow being generated by the BIOS cause no other BIOS causes this mess to appear. Not launching ET6 isn't an option cause ET6 is the only way to get Smart fan. Anyone else getting this message?
yup, same message here, i just ignore it
I have run my 965 right up to 100C and not crash on multiple occasions. The i7 is surprisingly stable at very high temps. Running the cpu at 90+ over extended periods? only time will tell. I would think 80's should be fine, 90's for occasional spikes - on air - with cpu v aT 1.55V - this is typical -
How high PCIe can you guys run on the eXtreme board?
I tried pci-e @ 101 and my POS x-fi xtreme music would go unrecognized by windows! I have a new sound card now, but wow I was shocked it was that sensitive.
in other news... so in core temp the TDP says 147.3 watts or something.. it that due to having load line calibration set in the bios?? with my other board it just said 130.
Am I the only one that has experienced the issue where when I go above 200 blck to 205+ that Vista x64 only detects 4GB of RAM? CPU-Z still reads 6GB but if you go to system information Windows is only detecting 4GB. And when I open up Windows Task Manger is says my Total physical memory is only 2044MB!! If I fire up Prime Small FFTs though the CPU appears to be stable. Anyone know what's going on??
I had to do a hard restart since Vista become unresponsive due to me trying Prime95 Blend and it eating up all my available RAM. I then tried upping the vcore a couple more notches to 1.35v and it wouldn't even POST. The BIOS just recovered and reverted to stock clocks. Then I tried upping the vcore one more time and it got through POST but wouldn't make it into Windows because it said the kernel had been corrupted. So I went back and tried upping my vdimm from 1.6v to 1.66v and that got me to my Vista desktop. I'm at 19x205 and it's running Prime95 Small FFT's no problem but Windows is only detecting 4GB of RAM still. Task Manager does now at least see 4092 total physical memory. Does the problem sound more like my CPU or the motherboard?
thought a couple pages back another guy had a problem with his board reading 6gb so he RMA'd it
Here is my hardware config and overclock related BIOS settings:
I've tried 203Mhz and 204Mhz BCLK and both times Vista detects 6GB of RAM and I'm running Prime Blend now without a problem. But once I start getting into the 205Mhz+ I start having issues with stability and Windows only detecting 4GB or less.Code:Gigabyte EX58-Extreme (flashed to F4m)
i7 920 3837B075
2x3GB Corsair Dominator 1600Mhz (white slots)
Sapphire 4870x2
Turbo: Disabled
HT: Enabled
Intel power seaving features: Disabled
CPU multi 19x
BCLK 205Mhz
Uncore 17x
QPI multi 36x
Memory 8x (1640Mhz) 8-8-8-24-1T
Performance enhance: Turbo
vCore 1.35v (1.296v load CPU-Z)
QPI 1.36v
DRAM 1.66v
CPU PLL 1.88v
QPI PLL 1.3v
IOH Core 1.3v
ICH I/O 1.6v
ICH Core 1.2v
PCI-E Frequency 101Mhz
I called Gigabyte tech support earlier but the lady I got wasn't really any help. She said it was probably my CPU because of the memory controller and at 205Mhz it's pushing it past it's limit. That's kind of what I was thinking it might be but noone else seems to be mentioning Vista detecting less RAM when you clock too high. And going from 204Mhz stable to 205Mhz isn't exactly a quantum leap lol.
gigabyte finally posted the lan drivers..hahahhaha
i can do benchies now... i heard the extreme is the extreme
:rofl:
A couple of things stand out there.
Your vcore load voltage is a bit low. You should target for 1.36v full load, with your QPI/VTT at just a notch higher at 1.375v. The ICH Core is a bit high as well and that can cause instability. Also, drop the uncore to 16x. It's way more forgiving. If you're using the turbo performance mode, set it to standard which is just effectively changing dropping the Perf Level. You lose a bit on bandwidth, but make it up with the higher blck.
I post up and bench with 215x21 by only adjusting the vcore, dram and vTT. Results very, but from my experience with it, those 3 voltages are clutch.
HOLY BUGFIX BATMAN!! New F5e for extreme, the reboot bug at high bclk is gone. Good job Gigabyte:up::up::up::up:
I think F5e is smoothest for rebooting, no double boots yet, just fires up quickly each time. Just one quick stability test at 4.2 with linx went fine....have to do so more stability testing tomorrow, but so far looking like a keeper.
Guys I have a question about the EX58-UD3R board...or any of these EX58's in general.
I was wondering is there any program that will show the CURRENT voltages (all voltages such as qpi/vtt and vcore, vdimm, pll's and all the ones that are displayed in bios?
The bios does not read out the "Current" values it only shows default ones. Does gigabytes EasyTune6 software show current values or only default ones?
By current I mean...actual read voltages, not what I have them set to and not what they are stock...
Thanks
thanks rge will try that too... ahh i940 user...i still have mine boxed will do some benchies later this week...
I just flashed to F5e and I wish they'd fix the annoying POST sequence after saving BIOS settings. The thing goes through its scenario of shutting down, starting up, shutting down, starting up, and then firing up the video card fan to full blast like three times. Changing BIOS settings on this board gets annoying after a while lol.
Has anyone gotten EasyTune 6 to work on Vista x64 yet?? I downloaded the version off the Gigabyte website and i just get a notification that it's crashed twice every time Windows loads. I try to launch it afterward and just keeps crashing.
Went from f4m to f5e and still the same change settings in bios hit F10 and comp just shuts down and wont boot back up, have to go through a trip and turn psu off then back on, press power button then press it again blah blah then it will finally boot. Sometimes it boots up fine after changing oc settings other times it doesn't.........nearly at my wits end with this board, been nothing short of a pain since I've had it.